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** Woah, woah, woah. I am into ForWantOfANail as any other troper. But some of the theories are just all in all pulled from sleeve. Not that I'm not enjoying a good WhatIf , but what indicated that Harry would want to KILL someone (DE notwithstanding), Scrimgeour doing anything to improve the situation is pure speculation (PS). Why would Harry not find out he's a horcrux? If LV died before all his horcruxes were destroyed, DEs might have simply told they were ONCE AGAIN under the influence of Imperius. "A lot fewer of Voldemort's supporters would be around and a lot more good guys would be there" - PS. "Teddy would probably not become an orphan, Fred and Colin Creevey would probably still be alive." - PS. I don't think that Draco, Snape and DD's different deaths would make the outcome of Battle of Hogwarts that much different. What were the characters doing during the battle? Draco cowered before LV, trembled with fear and at the end fled with his family. Snape was killed by LV. DD had already been dead. The only reason to speculate that some of the characters might be alive would probably be Moody alive as well... and that's a really long stretch.

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** Woah, woah, woah. I am into ForWantOfANail for-want-of-a-nail as any other troper. But some of the theories are just all in all pulled from sleeve. Not that I'm not enjoying a good WhatIf , but what indicated that Harry would want to KILL someone (DE notwithstanding), Scrimgeour doing anything to improve the situation is pure speculation (PS). Why would Harry not find out he's a horcrux? If LV died before all his horcruxes were destroyed, DEs might have simply told they were ONCE AGAIN under the influence of Imperius. "A lot fewer of Voldemort's supporters would be around and a lot more good guys would be there" - PS. "Teddy would probably not become an orphan, Fred and Colin Creevey would probably still be alive." - PS. I don't think that Draco, Snape and DD's different deaths would make the outcome of Battle of Hogwarts that much different. What were the characters doing during the battle? Draco cowered before LV, trembled with fear and at the end fled with his family. Snape was killed by LV. DD had already been dead. The only reason to speculate that some of the characters might be alive would probably be Moody alive as well... and that's a really long stretch.
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*** It comes up with the Silencing Charm in... Book 5, I think. Hermione says Ron can't silence his frog because he's not moving his wand right.
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** Hagrid didn't want Aragog's venom, that was Slughorn having Galleons in his eyes. And Hagrid also wanted to give Aragog a 'proper' funeral because Hagrid constantly fails to realise that social norms differ between species and he also has trouble understanding his views are not shared by everyone. As for the colony running out of food...they've been in that forest for over 50 years, they definitely have a more than stable hunting ground and capabilty of finding food by this point, and one spider corpse is not going to change much if they did.
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* Hagrid takes Aragog's dead body so that it isn't cannibalized by his children. If they ran out of food they might start invading Hogwarts and try to eat all the students there. So Hagrid should've just taken Aragog's venom and left his body in the Forbidden Forest, to delay that invasion, at least.
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** From what we saw, if Harry had not been there, then Dumbledore would have been unable to finish the potion, and unable to escape. But as he would also have been unable to get to the water on his own, it means that morst likely, he would have lied there until Voldemort would have taken a stroll around the cave. Hence perhaps, why Voldemort did not feel the need to equip an alarm, any fool trying to steal an horcruxe would have failed and then lied there indefinitely until Voldemort decided to come. Another possiility is that Voldemort implemented alarms designed to ring IF AND ONLY IF something went wrong in his defenses. But technically, both Harry and Dumbledore followed the expected process quite rigorously. They went through the entrance, used the blood to open the door, etc, and as such, the defense system did not register that this was not voldemort. Dumbledore mentionned that indeed, at least until they reached the island, the entire defense system was unable to pick up that they were not Voldemort. It's possible that if another wizard had tried to explode his way down the cave, swim through the lake instead of using the boat, he would have been alerted. Voldemort thinking that absolutely nobody would be able to imagine he had horcruxes might be pushing it. But Voldemort imagining that nobody would be resourceful enough to not only know that he had an horcruxe, but also track it down, and then identify the correct process to go through the defense might be easier to swallow.

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** From what we saw, if Harry had not been there, then Dumbledore would have been unable to finish the potion, and unable to escape. But as he would also have been unable to get to the water on his own, it means that morst likely, he would have lied there until Voldemort would have taken a stroll around the cave. Hence perhaps, why Voldemort did not feel the need to equip an alarm, any fool trying to steal an horcruxe would have failed and then lied there indefinitely until Voldemort decided to come. Another possiility is that Voldemort implemented alarms designed to ring IF AND ONLY IF something went wrong in his defenses. But technically, both Harry and Dumbledore followed the expected process quite rigorously. They went through the entrance, used the blood to open the door, etc, and as such, the defense system did not register that this was not voldemort. Dumbledore mentionned mentioned that indeed, at least until they reached the island, the entire defense system was unable to pick up that they were not Voldemort. It's possible that if another wizard had tried to explode his way down the cave, swim through the lake instead of using the boat, he would have been alerted. Voldemort thinking that absolutely nobody would be able to imagine he had horcruxes might be pushing it. But Voldemort imagining that nobody would be resourceful enough to not only know that he had an horcruxe, but also track it down, and then identify the correct process to go through the defense might be easier to swallow.



** Harry is the worst person to give this information too. Even assuming that he would not let his emotions get the better of him and spill it out in CAPSLOCK at a point, Harry is the only one out of every mentionned characters whose mind is directly linked to Voldemort. He had never gotten the hang of occlumency and so would not be able to prevent Voldemort from getting this info out of his mind. While it is true that it is implied that only Snape had the mad skills to protect his mind from the dark lord, at least other people are protected by the simple fact that they are usually very far away from Voldemort, while the link ensures that Harry is always vulnerable to mind intrusions regardless of the distance involved.

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** Harry is the worst person to give this information too. Even assuming that he would not let his emotions get the better of him and spill it out in CAPSLOCK at a point, Harry is the only one out of every mentionned mentioned characters whose mind is directly linked to Voldemort. He had never gotten the hang of occlumency and so would not be able to prevent Voldemort from getting this info out of his mind. While it is true that it is implied that only Snape had the mad skills to protect his mind from the dark lord, at least other people are protected by the simple fact that they are usually very far away from Voldemort, while the link ensures that Harry is always vulnerable to mind intrusions regardless of the distance involved.
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** Harry is the worst person to give this information too. Even aassuming that he would not let his emotions get the better of him and spill it out in CAPSLOCK at a point, Harry is the only one out of every mentionned characters whose mind is directly linked to Voldemort. He had never gotten the hang of occlumency and so would not be able to prevent Voldemort from getting this info out of his mind. While it is true that it is implied that only Snape had the mad skills to protect his mind from the dark lord, at least other people are protected by the simple fact that they are usually very far away from Voldemort, while the link ensures that Harry is always vulnerable to mind intrusions regardless of the distance involved.

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** Harry is the worst person to give this information too. Even aassuming assuming that he would not let his emotions get the better of him and spill it out in CAPSLOCK at a point, Harry is the only one out of every mentionned characters whose mind is directly linked to Voldemort. He had never gotten the hang of occlumency and so would not be able to prevent Voldemort from getting this info out of his mind. While it is true that it is implied that only Snape had the mad skills to protect his mind from the dark lord, at least other people are protected by the simple fact that they are usually very far away from Voldemort, while the link ensures that Harry is always vulnerable to mind intrusions regardless of the distance involved.

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** Phoenixes are not an panacea. Their tears have great healing powers, but they are never stated to be an antidote to every poisons on the face of the earth. This potion looks like an invention of the greatest dark lord ever seen in the HP universe, it would make sense that even phoenix tears would not work. Also remember that Dumbledore drank the potion because he had deduced that was how the defense system worked. But he did not know exactly what was the effects of the potion. We know for example that polyjuice has either adverse or no effects when not used by a human. From what Dumbledore knew, it was possible that the potion might be even more effective, or even lethal to anyone not human. What if the potion was set up to straight up kill anyone not human? or turn it into an inferi automatically? possibilities are endless. We know that house elves can drink it. Dumbledore and Harry don't. Also, the way Dumby speaks at the end makes me think that he thought he could handle it on his own, and might have underestimated Voldemort a bit, Harry was just insurance just in case. So he took a calculated risk using all the informatio he had, not necessarily unreasonable to me. Also, Dumbledore using the boat makes it ambiguous to inferis if it's voldemort (and thus not someone to attack) or not. A phoenix flying over the lake probably would have gotten the inferis to run berserk.
** OK, you just won life, that is a brilliant solution. Dumbledore is an idiot for not thinking of that.

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** Phoenixes are not an panacea. Their tears have great healing powers, but they are never stated to be an antidote to every poisons on the face of the earth. This potion looks like an invention of the greatest dark lord ever seen in the HP universe, it would make sense that even phoenix tears would not work. Also remember that Dumbledore drank the potion because he had deduced that was how the defense system worked. But he did not know exactly what was the effects of the potion. We know for example that polyjuice has either adverse or no effects when not used by a human. From what Dumbledore knew, it was possible that the potion might be even more effective, or even lethal to anyone not human. What if the potion was set up to straight up kill anyone not human? or turn it into an inferi automatically? possibilities are endless. We know that house elves can drink it. Dumbledore and Harry don't. Also, the way Dumby speaks at the end makes me think that he thought he could handle it on his own, and might have underestimated Voldemort a bit, Harry was just insurance just in case. So he took a calculated risk using all the informatio information he had, not necessarily unreasonable to me. Also, Dumbledore using the boat makes it ambiguous to inferis if it's voldemort (and thus not someone to attack) or not. A phoenix flying over the lake probably would have gotten the inferis to run berserk. \n** OK, you just won life, that is a brilliant solution. Dumbledore is an idiot for not thinking of that.
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**Since he was abused for the first ten years of his life, Harry rarely took anything he had for granted, nor did he expect the world to ever make any leeway for him, even with his status as the Boy-Who-Lived. Compare this to Dudley, who, being spoiled rotten and given everything he ever wanted, had his worst traits enabled and even encouraged, leaving him with barely anything resembling a moral compass and ill-equipped to deal with the real world.

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*** Using your analogy, it's not quite the same. You were finding ways to understand the subject matter that worked for you. What Harry had was a book with all the answers already filled in. It would be passing a class because you have every answer already handed to you on a silver platter. You never have to actually study, never need to actually think, you just have the answers right there in the book you found. As to if Hermione had gotten it, it's likely that she would have turned it over, more out of both personal pride (she wants to find the answers herself), and an abundance of caution (, what's to say that some of/all of the stuff in the book is actually not safe to be doing). For all anyone knew, there were things in there that were NOT approved curriculum...oh right, like the Sectumsempra curse.



* Why does Merope Gaunt give her son the middle name “Marvolo” after her father—the father who abused and tortured her for eighteen years, called her a “Squib” regularly, had no problem dragging her by the throat, hunted down the man she loved, terrorized her to the point she couldn’t even do simple spells such as Reparo, and she abandoned without a second thought the moment he was carted off to prison?

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* Why does Merope Gaunt give her son the middle name “Marvolo” after her father—the father who abused and tortured her for eighteen years, called her a “Squib” “Squib” regularly, had no problem dragging her by the throat, hunted down the man she loved, terrorized her to the point she couldn’t even do simple spells such as Reparo, and she abandoned without a second thought the moment he was carted off to prison?
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* What would a love potion do if you brew it, gave it to yourself and drank it? Would you narcissistically fall in love with yourself and... [[ADateWithRosiePalms play with yourself]] all day/until the love potion stops affecting you? More on this topic - could you actually use spells on yourself? Say you wanted to commit suicide, would you be able to AK yourself? What about Crucio? Let's go with movie implication that cruciatus is something of overpowered electric taser... If you crucioed yourself, would you be permanently stuck in the pain, until you were dead (akin to being unable to let go of grabbed electric wire)? Could you Iperiused yourself or would that even work? As someone needs to make someone do something when under imperius, would that make you an idle zombie, because you would be waiting for an order, while at the same time, you would need to be the one making the order? Paradoxically stuck forever in "awaiting orders mode"?

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* What would a love potion do if you brew it, gave it to yourself and drank it? Would you narcissistically fall in love with yourself and... [[ADateWithRosiePalms play with yourself]] yourself all day/until the love potion stops affecting you? More on this topic - could you actually use spells on yourself? Say you wanted to commit suicide, would you be able to AK yourself? What about Crucio? Let's go with movie implication that cruciatus is something of overpowered electric taser... If you crucioed yourself, would you be permanently stuck in the pain, until you were dead (akin to being unable to let go of grabbed electric wire)? Could you Iperiused yourself or would that even work? As someone needs to make someone do something when under imperius, would that make you an idle zombie, because you would be waiting for an order, while at the same time, you would need to be the one making the order? Paradoxically stuck forever in "awaiting orders mode"?
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* During Dumbledore's visit to the Dursley residence, he makes a comment about "the appalling damage you have inflicted upon the unfortunate boy (Dudley) sitting between you". What's he mean by this? Is it a comment on the kid's weight, or something beyond that? And how would it be worse than the treatment of Harry? Bearing in mind, it's only luck that poor Harry isn't left as an emotional wreck from his Aunt and Uncle's (and also Dudley's) abuse.
** Not just overfeeding him, but also spoiling him and encouraging his bullying. Dudley's abuse toward Harry was treated as acceptable by them, and they also enrolled him in a school where the students are given clubbed sticks to whack each other with. In fact, a few times they ''asked'' Dudley to hit Harry with it. So half the reason why Dudley became just a jerk was because of them, but thankfully he began to grow mature enough on his own.

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* During Dumbledore's visit to the Dursley residence, he makes a comment about "the appalling damage you have inflicted upon the unfortunate boy (Dudley) sitting between you". What's he mean by this? Is it a comment on the kid's weight, or something beyond that? And how would it be worse than the treatment of Harry? Bearing in mind, it's only luck that God knows why poor Harry isn't left as an emotional wreck from his Aunt and Uncle's (and also Dudley's) abuse.
** Not just overfeeding him, but also spoiling him and encouraging his bullying. Dudley's abuse toward treatment of Harry was treated as acceptable by them, and they also enrolled him in a school where the students are given clubbed sticks to whack each other with.with (lol). In fact, a few times they ''asked'' Dudley to hit Harry with it. So half the reason why Dudley became just a jerk was because of them, but thankfully he began to grow mature enough on his own.
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** Oh, FFS! 1: [[WeAllLiveInAmerica The books are set in the UK]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control#United_Kingdom where most people go their entire lives without seeing a gun.]] Yes, people in the countryside have guns for pest and predator control, but this was a ''town'' that was attacked, not a village or a farmhouse. 2: It's a series of children's books, not ''The Adventures of Young Literature/JackRyan''; the characters aren't going to go around shooting everything. 3: One of the big points of the stories is that killing damages the soul, so it would be bad writing to suddenly have the {{Designated Victim}}s pull out guns and start killing the Mooks. 4: The books are set in the UK, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment where most people go their entire lives without seeing a gun.]] And yes, I realise that point 4 is the same as point 1, [[Series/RedDwarf but it's such a big point that people keep ignoring, I thought I'd better mention it twice]].

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** Oh, FFS! 1: [[WeAllLiveInAmerica The books are set in the UK]], UK, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control#United_Kingdom where most people go their entire lives without seeing a gun.]] Yes, people in the countryside have guns for pest and predator control, but this was a ''town'' that was attacked, not a village or a farmhouse. 2: It's a series of children's books, not ''The Adventures of Young Literature/JackRyan''; the characters aren't going to go around shooting everything. 3: One of the big points of the stories is that killing damages the soul, so it would be bad writing to suddenly have the {{Designated Victim}}s pull out guns and start killing the Mooks. 4: The books are set in the UK, [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment where most people go their entire lives without seeing a gun.]] And yes, I realise that point 4 is the same as point 1, [[Series/RedDwarf but it's such a big point that people keep ignoring, I thought I'd better mention it twice]].
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** It's likely he also just forgot about it being in the cupboard. It's not like he used it a lot and after he becomes the DADA job, he just didn't think to remove the book from the classroom.
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**** There was nothing said that Snape had to keep acting to contain the curse to Dumbledore's hand. Snape tells him after containing the curse to his hand that he had about a year to live then. It was about a month or so between the time Sectumsempra is cast by Harry against Draco and Dumbledore is killed. The ultimate question for that would be if that was enough time for Snape to continue with Draco's mission or was it far sooner? The only things Harry discovers during that time is that Snape was the spy who overheard the prophecy and going to the cave with Dumbledore.


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*** Scrimegour didn't have the sword to give to Harry. The real sword was still in the Headmaster's office, likely hidden somehow.
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** All Voldy told Draco to do was to kill Dumbledore. He gave him this mission to punish Lucius and his family for failing to get the prophecy by also telling Draco that he would harm his family if he failed. It was up to Draco to decide how to kill Dumbledore which is why his first two attempts failed--poisoned mead and a crused necklace, both of which were done so Draco could kill from afar as opposed to face to face Dumbledore. It was the fear of failure that controlled Draco. After all, not only would his parents be in danger, but he would have to go back home (where Voldy had made his headquarters) and face his punishment by Voldy due to his failure.
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*** Maybe Dumbledore used ExactWords by saying Harry would be there by morning, but brought him there in the extremely early morning, as in just after midnight.
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*** Was she expected to get married or is she married, get married to a pure-blood? What about her husband? Was he expected to marry as well?
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** Slughorn was ashamed about having told Tom about Horcruxes, but since Horcruxes were in a library book, there was no reason for him to feel shame for answering such a question. As for how he manipulated his memory, that isn't stated by Rowling. He did willingly give up his both the fake and real memory to Dumbledore and Harry respectively.
** Dumbldore needed to hear the entirety of the conversation to figure out if Tom gave any hints to the extent of the number of horcruxes. After all, Tom already gave away one and treated it cavalierly by giving it to Lucius to look after, not telling him how vital it was to him and to protect it with his life.
** Tom was fifteen when he asked Slughorn about making numerous horcruxes. He did so in a way that was flattering Slughorn.

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