History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince

11th Apr '18 10:49:54 PM H.N.Levian
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*** The part about the diary at least is canon as of Deathly Hallows: "True, he had not felt it when the diary had been destroyed, but he had thought that was because he had no body to feel, being less than ghost ... no, surely, the rest were safe ..."
4th Apr '18 5:10:40 PM nombretomado
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** JKR is no good at math. She's said it multiple times, so I would chalk this up as a mathematical error. She's made other [[{{Egregious}} egregious]] math mistakes before, like telling people Dumbledore was 150 years old, but having him die at the age of around 115 at the end of this book.

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** JKR is no good at math. She's said it multiple times, so I would chalk this up as a mathematical error. She's made other [[{{Egregious}} [[JustForFun/{{Egregious}} egregious]] math mistakes before, like telling people Dumbledore was 150 years old, but having him die at the age of around 115 at the end of this book.
9th Nov '17 10:07:20 PM timemonkey
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* The spell is Dark because it doesn't just wound the target but inflicts cursed wounds, which are much harder, and often impossible to heal properly.


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*** Dumbledore says outright in the book that young Tom got too excited when he met Dumbledore and dropped his masks briefly. Young Tom is a manipulator but he's also cruel and creepy and is stuck dealing with a small isolated group of people so his bad behaviour, however secret, has tainted his reputation. Once he gets a fresh start at Hogwarts he's much more careful so he gets to maintain his good reputation among the staff.


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*** Since Harry stopped caring about House points himself. Harry pretty made it clear at the end of the previous book that he absolutely did not care about House points or the House Cup being won anymore. He's moved beyond such shallow desires so I turn Snape has moved onto more fitting punishments.


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*** I've always seen it as something like that myself, after all if there were spells that could be deliberately worked like that, no matter how complex then it would open too many plot holes to contain.


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*** Exactly, it's also why the Dementor was able to affect Dudley so badly the previous year, on some level he knows he's messed up even if he's not fully aware of the extent.


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** Because the movies started to overlap the books and they made assumptions based on what they thought would be important over what turned out to be important.
1st Nov '17 12:28:01 PM DarkDuel
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***EXACTLY - at least as far as Harry is concerned. However, as Dumbledore also points out, Voldemort's obsession with the Prophecy and his equally-obsessive desire to kill Harry pretty much guarantees that the confrontation will take place eventually regardless of Harry's decision. As does Harry's own character, though Harry's reasons for doing so are ultimately independent of the Prophecy.
26th Oct '17 8:54:45 PM Dgon
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*** We see in Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem that the American isolationism that forbids them any interaction with muggles is considered backward and barbaric in Europe. And this are the 30s. although indeed some wizards seem to be oblivious of basic muggle society, and this is PlayedForLaughs and was supposed to be funny (but as often happens some readers took what was supposed to be a joke an re-interpret as a horrible offensive idea with a monstrous meaning), the case is that wizards do interact with muggles as much as to intermarry. The only way half-blood can exist is if wizards have enough interaction with muggles that sometimes they fell in love and marry some. Muggleborns integrate their families into wizard society to judge for what we know of Lily Potter and Hermione, at no point is ever said that Hermioneís parents are mistreated by other parents or the Ministry (nor even the Malfoys are rude enough as to say a racial slur in front of them), and the fact that they are outrage for the American law that outlaw wizard-muggle relationships means that at the very least having muggle friends or companions is not taboo. \\\
Itís clear that wizards see muggles as humans, as much as them, and although they can be very condescending, other than the blood supremacists the average wizard is at the worst just indifferent of muggles, and at the best integrates fully into their lives. We donít know how many muggleborns and half-blood are but they seem to be at the very least a third of the population, if not more, thatís a lot of people with muggle relatives and friends. I guess the closest thing we can understand the relationship between wizards and muggles is the relationship with disable people. There are some horrible people that think disable people should be eliminated (the Nazis and eugenicists), some people (and probably most people, sadly) that are condescending to them and maybe undermine their abilities out of ignorance but is by no mean cruel or hateful towards them, and thereís the people that acknowledge their full potential and capacities seen them as just people with a slight variation in their functionality. For me, thatís the closest parallelism we can get. For wizards, muggles and squibs are disable, they donít have something that is particularly advantageous which is magic (and how do you feel if you have a superpower and other people donít), and, except for Death Eaters, they see muggles and squibs as that; people, fellow human beings with one very notable disadvantage in life compare to them.
26th Oct '17 5:03:26 PM Luppercus
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*** Just because some Tropers that hate the books snark about it in TV Tropes mean nothing. TV Tropes already has a problem with it and bad reputation about that kind of stuffs, to the point that meassures have been taken to make it less hatred-fueled. Now, where's the source that says Muggle means moron? The rest is, again, subjetive: " They "study" them as one would an animal species." Or they study them like we study a primal isolated tribe. Those exist in real life and the way how anthropologists study them is not that different from how muggles are studied in the HP universe, not to mention if things were the other way around Wizards would be expermiented with in labs in some secret military base if not dissected. "They steal from them", boohoo, I think we can survive without ONE train. "They casually mind-rape them.", See? this is the stuffs when obviously if someone hates the books will have a different taken on the same issue that someone who like them. Rashomon-effect in some way. If we see the Film/MenInBlack franchise they use an alien devices to erase civilians minds' in order to keep TheMasquerade, similar un how vampires in other media, like for example Series/ForeverKnight, use hypnosis, and wizards in other media like Series/SabrinaTheTeenageWitch also use mind-erasing spells. Now of course you can think that Sabrina, Agents K and L and Nick Knight mind-rape humans into submission, but that's hardly what most people think. Yet, something identical happens in Harry Potter and sudenly is place at the same level of Hannibal Lecter in Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs. Anyway... again, the books are very divisive for some reason, as almost everything that is popular not to mention the MoralGuardians backlash because of the witchcraft stuffs, but the point is what the reader would take from them will vary on his/hers own subjectivity and whether he/she like them or hate them.
24th Oct '17 11:43:04 PM H.N.Levian
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*** It makes more sense if you consider it from a real-world perspective, with "pure-blood wizard" analogous to "white." No, not all white people are neo-Nazis who storm the streets and lynch people. Not all white people consciously hate non-white people. But racial privilege means that most white people ''do'', intentionally or not, either perpetuate racist institutions and systems, or stand by and let other people perpetuate racist institutions and systems. Similarly, yeah, not all wizards were Death Eaters. Not all wizards go out and Avada Kedavra Muggles or Muggle-borns. But most, if not all, wizards ''do'' allow Muggles to be mindwiped and manipulated and lied to and left defenseless. They ''do'' allow non-purebloods to be heavily discriminated against. Even half-bloods and mugle-borns themselves start to play into this as wizarding culture assimilates them further and they see it as perfectly acceptable to treat Muggles like shit, not because they ''consciously'' think Muggles are subhuman or whatever, but because they don't understand that treating Muggles the way they do is shitty, because they don't care to think about anything from a Muggle point of view, because the Muggle point of view is "beneath them," and at the end of the day, wizarding culture doesn't reward anybody for caring about Muggles. It's gross and it's all kinds of racist, but it's there. However, I think the difference between the Death Eaters and everyone else is less "everyone else is a hypocrite" and more "everyone else is struggling to overcome centuries of conditioned hatred against Muggles including all the learned microaggressions and subtle discrimination that they have yet to identify in themselves."
24th Oct '17 11:30:23 PM H.N.Levian
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24th Oct '17 11:29:12 PM H.N.Levian
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** Prejudice against non-humans kicks in for our heroes the same way it, according to Hermione, kicks in for Voldemort. It's not prejudice in the sense of hatred, it's ignorance. Think of it this way: Voldemort didn't ignore the house-elf shaped hole in his protections because he hated house-elves and consciously ignored their power, he ignored the house-elf shaped hole in his protections because he doesn't think of house-elf as beings worthy of notice and therefore it doesn't occur to him that they have power he doesn't. Now, Harry , Dumbledore, and the other "good guys" don't have a conscious hatred of house-elves. But they do live in a society that ingrains systematic prejudice against house-elves. Ron and Dumbledore are the sort of people that don't actively hate house-elves, but are used to viewing them as subservient and otherwise "less than" wizards, which ends up carrying over into situations where they are ''not'' in fact "less than." Then you have Hermione on the other side of the issue. Yes, she campaigns for equal rights for house-elves. But that's just it: she views the house-elves as victims. She has a white-saviour-analogous complex that ignores the fact that house-elves don't serve wizards because they've been oppressed into doing so, they serve wizards as part of their culture. (IMPORTANT NOTE: I think that for Rowling to not only invent what's essentially a slave race but also vilify the one character who advocates for their freedom is all kinds of distasteful. But ''in universe'', we're meant to accept that house-elves at large are happy to work unpaid.) So Hermione, too, sees the house-elves are somewhat beneath her ó for most of SPEW's run, she doesn't admire them or respect them, she ''pities'' them. Based on that, we see that most of the important good-aligned categories fall into one of those categories concerning house-elves, which makes it difficult for them to consider calling on house-elf aid to break through the Dark Lord's magic. Does it make them idiots? ''Of course it does''. But it's kind of idiocy that has a valid reason to exist in the HP world.
24th Oct '17 7:40:53 AM Gess
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** Ergo, he's an idiot. That isn't indicative of the rest of them, is it?



*** That's very subjective. I took exactly the opposite; that most wizards have nothing against muggles and other even have a fancy for muggles, that's why the really muggle-haters like the DE were despise by mainstream society in a similar way how we despise white supremacists. But of course, I like the books and enjoy reading them instead of hating them and feeling like they present a fantasy version of Literature/NineteenEightyFour.

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*** That's very subjective. I took exactly the opposite; that most wizards have nothing against muggles and other even have a fancy for muggles, that's why the really muggle-haters like the DE were despise despised by mainstream society in a similar way how we despise white supremacists. But of course, I like the books and enjoy reading them instead of hating them and feeling like they present a fantasy version of Literature/NineteenEightyFour.
*** Uhuh. They hide from no-majes. They call them a name that literally means "morons". They "study" them as one would an animal species. They steal from them, [[http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Ministry_of_Magic_operation_to_acquire_the_Hogwarts_Express ''including a goddamn train'']]. They casually mind-rape them. They abandon them to the mercy of murderers (no, that token bullshift about "putting protection spells on their homes" they offhandedly mention in Hallows doesn't count for obvious reasons). Trully the height of respectful and harmoniuous coexistence. Actually, just read the HP entry in BrokenAesop - all that is to say on the subject is said there.
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