History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince

4th Apr '17 7:31:59 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* During their trip to retrieve the Horcrux from the cave, Dumbledore at one point tells Harry that "there is nothing to fear from darkness, no more than there is to fear from a body," roughly paraphrased, and goes on to say that, secretly, Voldemort himself fears both. Am I mistaken, or was Dumbledore really suggesting that ''Voldemort'', the Dark Lord himself, is secretly afraid of the dark? And if so, what would even give Dumbledore that idea?
29th Mar '17 12:02:26 AM phineas81707
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*At the start of the book, Dumbledore takes Harry to Slughorn's to convince him to come to Hogwarts. They arrive at midnight, and take around ten-twenty minutes to persuade him (ending with "I think we've done all that we can do."), and arrive at the Burrow... where Molly, Arthur and Hermione all state they didn't expect Harry to arrive until morning. Did Dumbledore seriously expect to be spending six hours trying to convince Slughorn such that he told the Weasleys Harry would be there by morning?
28th Mar '17 9:42:51 AM ThorfinnRowle
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** I for one don't remember any Death Eaters ever showing any issue toward Wormtail other than Snape. Where is this idea even coming from? Bellatrix and Narcissa neither show hostility, sympathy, or friendliness towards him (though both had other things on their minds). Also Barty Crouch Jr. never showed any problems with working with him behind the scenes in Goblet of Fire. If you ask me, the idea that the Death Eaters all treat him with distain seems to be more of a fanon idea.
23rd Mar '17 12:27:28 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** So it's like a placebo, then? Dumbledore wasn't saying the prophecy ''didn't matter'', just that Harry should focus on his personal motivations instead of just acting like it was the only thing that did?
15th Mar '17 11:12:32 PM ThorfinnRowle
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** Dumbledore seems to think that due to Morfin's confession as well as the fact that he had previously attacked the same muggle the ministry didn't investigate further. They probably did find it odd that underage magic was detected in the area, but the evidence and Morfin's record were against him. Also it doesn't seem like the Gaunts were very well respected, even among other pure-blood supremacists. The wizarding world as a whole were probably eager to get rid of him.
1st Mar '17 12:38:52 PM Gess
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** It doesn't matter in the sense that Harry shouldn't allow it to govern his actions. Remember, Harry has to die before V can be defeated. He must accept his fate as TheUnchosenOne meaning he has to discard the prophecy. On the other hand, latching to it was V's greatest weakness - his stubborn insistence that he must be the one to kill the boy largerly ensured Harry's survival. DD wanted Harry to avoid the same trap.
1st Mar '17 9:51:13 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* So...In this book, Dumbledore explains to Harry that the prophecy doesn't actually matter, since (from what I understand), the prophecy isn't what's making the conflict of the series happen - Voldemort will never stop trying to prove that only he can kill Harry Potter, and Harry will never stop trying to kill Voldemort because of an innate sense of justice. How does that make sense at all, though, when the only reason the conflict got started at all was ''because of the prophecy?'' Yes, Harry and Voldemort both have their own reasons for going after each other, but Voldemort wouldn't have gone after Harry as a baby unless he'd heard about the prophecy in the first place, and Harry probably wouldn't have had such a personal desire to defeat him if Voldemort hadn't been responsible for the deaths of his parents. So how is the book supposed to convey a sort of ScrewDestiny message when it's more of a self-fulfilling prophecy type of thing?
25th Feb '17 2:38:39 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Snape didn't order that book, it was his mothers book, it had been purchased years before he ever got to school. Snape in his first year knew more curses than most seventh years, put it all together. As for dark magic, the magic system in ''Harry Potter'' is pretty vague, but when it comes to spell casting there are two ways to interpret dark magic. There are either seven types of spells, three of which(jinxes, hexes and curses) are dark, almost half! The other way is that there are four types of spells, and the dark arts a modifications of three(transfiguration, charms and counters) that are frowned upon. Either way, almost everyone in the books uses dark magic to some extent in the form of jinxes, it's hexes and curses that get complained about and are presumably delving deeper than advised into the dark arts. It's not a matter of light versus dark, it's a matter of any dark spell that's not a jinx being dangerous, or requiring questionable ethics to make work. The light is almost never talked about, just the danger of the dark.



** Since there are English spells (stupefy), you obviously don't need to know Latin to craft them. Snape didn't want people to know his spells(he failed) and in the case they were discovered, didn't want people to know he had invented them(he succeeded. Remus Lupin even knew about Sectumsempra but didn't know who invented it or how to repair it's damage, for that matter).



** Don't forget that he had Sectumsempra from his potions book and that the Spell was written into that by a 16 years old teenager. The suggestions for potiins where all correct and helpful and the other spells in the book where harmless pranks or holding spells at worst, nothing you could kill anybody with. Nobody could have expected Sectumsempra to be that bad. As pointed out, you would think that it would be something very mean, maybe even somewhat painful but not almost incurable wounds.

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** Don't forget that he had Sectumsempra from his potions book and that the Spell was written into that by a 16 years old teenager. The suggestions for potiins potions where all correct and helpful and the other spells in the book where harmless pranks or holding spells at worst, nothing you could kill anybody with. Nobody could have expected Sectumsempra to be that bad. As pointed out, you would think that it would be something very mean, maybe even somewhat painful but not almost incurable wounds.




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* Draco and Harry falling on crucio and sectumsempra was stupid on both their parts, what everyone forgets is that Myrtle was in the bathroom, which means the floor was wet, they were in a fight and slipping around, causing them to panic a little. If Draco hadn't decided to attack Potter, who hadn't drawn his wand until then, it could have all been avoided.









** Felics doesn't see into the future. All it does is make a person aware of which actions they will take will bring luck to the goal they wish the accomplish as they think over their potential options. It doesn't tell how, nor does it alter probability in of itself.



** His plan was to wait for Dumbledore to leave, send up the dark mark when he's coming back and then call a bunch of Death Eater to keep anyone besides Dumbledore from getting to where the mark was. Besides Dumbledore genuinely not seeing it coming though, it wasn't a good plan that only worked because Dumbledore let it. Other things gone better Dumbledore would have stomped all the death eater and then patched the hole in security that let them in.



** They went on a mission to retrieve a horcrux. He was damn sure there would be a lot of danger and a lot of things to go wrong, so why not drink some FF and give some to harry?

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** They went on a mission to retrieve a horcrux. He was damn sure there would wouldin be a lot of danger and a lot of things to go wrong, so why not drink some FF and give some to harry?Harry?









* Harry had tryouts for Quidditch. Fair enough, most of the last Team had finished the School. but Why the hell did he have to hold tryouts for the players he already had? He had Ron as goalkeeper. Why should McLaggen be tried out as goalkeeper, when he already had one? In Book V it's stated that there are tryouts for goalkeeper, as Wood left, and the rest of the team should just be there to see how the new one fits in. So, why?

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* Harry had tryouts for Quidditch. Fair enough, most of the last Team had finished the School. but Why the hell did he have to hold tryouts for the players he already had? He had Ron as goalkeeper. Why should McLaggen [=McLaggen=] be tried out as goalkeeper, when he already had one? In Book V it's stated that there are tryouts for goalkeeper, as Wood left, and the rest of the team should just be there to see how the new one fits in. So, why?



** The plan actually makes a lot of sense. DD is the world's most powerful wizard and living in a place where entering is near to impossible, having him killed by a student (something that DD may not expect) is logic, more than sending some sort of attack force or an undercover Death Eater. On the other hand, he did had a Plan B as we see that, actually, Draco did fail and di not kill DD (Snape did).

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** The plan actually makes a lot of sense. DD is the world's most powerful wizard and living in a place where entering is near to impossible, having him killed by a student (something that DD may not expect) is logic, more than sending some sort of attack force or an undercover Death Eater. On the other hand, he did had a Plan B as we see that, actually, Draco did fail and di did not kill DD (Snape did).
25th Feb '17 10:33:38 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** In addition to the above, this is a UK boarding school, where teachers tend to, by tradition, keep their favorite text book near their desk. With Snape's reasons for sticking to the text book given a reasonable hypothesis, one also has to remember that, advancing or not, wizard Britain cares more about preserving ancient tradition than advancement. Even Albus Dumbledoor and Voldemort, two of the most brilliant inventors and two of the most influential men of their day, place high value in the ancient ways. New text books have to convince people such as Dolores Umbridge that they are not merely "innovation for innovation's sake", as she, a representative of the national democratic government so called it.


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* The existence of non verbal spells mean they should be able to cast as quickly as someone pulls a trigger. Bullets still hold the advantage, being too small to be seen at their speed, less likely to misfire and impossible to backfire, but it is very probable even armed muggles could be wiped out if they were caught with their pants down.


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** Highschool starts at 13 or 14, generally, not 11. Hogwarts is a Boarding school.
6th Dec '16 9:43:45 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** I think the OP was asking why Voldemort would've put it on Draco specifically, as his heart clearly wasn't in it, which is answered by what's posted above, along with giving him some emotional torment and a punishment for his father's failure to retrieve the prophecy in the last book. His orders weren't "You need to be the one to kill Dumbledore," just something like "You need to get some of my followers into the school and ensure that Dumbledore dies at some point, or else you're responsible."
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