History Headscratchers / HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince

27th Jun '17 7:53:03 PM ShorinBJ
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** Since there are English spells (stupefy), you obviously don't need to know Latin to craft them. Snape didn't want people to know his spells(he failed) and in the case they were discovered, didn't want people to know he had invented them(he succeeded. Remus Lupin even knew about Sectumsempra but didn't know who invented it or how to repair it's damage, for that matter).

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** Since there are English spells (stupefy), you obviously don't need to know Latin to craft them. Snape didn't want people to know his spells(he spells (he failed) and in the case they were discovered, didn't want people to know he had invented them(he succeeded. Remus Lupin even knew about Sectumsempra but didn't know who invented it or how to repair it's damage, for that matter).



*** Runes are a kind of writing system, not a language.



** Not to mention that, apart from cuckoos like Bella, few[=DE=]were exactly happy about the return of their beloved leader.

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*** A handful of them were sitting in Azkaban out of loyalty -- the rest were pretending they were innocent victims.
** Not to mention that, apart from cuckoos like Bella, few[=DE=]were few [=DE=] were exactly happy about the return of their beloved leader.



** A Prime Minster keeping quiet about what he'd seen is plausible. A Prime Minister being able to launch a nation-wide manhunt for a dangerous fugitive ''nobody else has heard of'' -- not the police, not the press, not the Home Office, not the tax bureau -- whose supposed "crime" is listed as an accidental explosion in Muggle records, without anyone asking him why? Not unless Britain forgot about due process.

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** A Prime Minster Minister keeping quiet about what he'd seen is plausible. A Prime Minister being able to launch a nation-wide manhunt for a dangerous fugitive ''nobody else has heard of'' -- not the police, not the press, not the Home Office, not the tax bureau -- whose supposed "crime" is listed as an accidental explosion in Muggle records, without anyone asking him why? Not unless Britain forgot about due process.



* Draco's master plan was to sneak a handful of DE's into Hogwarts and...then what? We've already seen in [=OotP=], that Dumbledore could curbstomp a dozen of them without breaking a sweat, and now they are coming to his castle, where there will be at least three more powerful wizards ([=McGonagall=], Flitwick and Slughorn), not to mention the Aurors and the Order who could arrive later, and where the very walls might literally be friends and helping hands to the defenders (it's an enchanted castle after all). I guess they relied on Snape as their "fifth column" and to an extent it worked as he stunned Flitwick, but still, were they really hoping to overpower DD on his home turf? I doubt Draco or even Snape could predict that DD would be in such a debilitated state. It would make sense if the [=DEs=] attempted to take the students hostage, but they didn't.

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* Draco's master plan was to sneak a handful of DE's [=DEs=] into Hogwarts and...then what? We've already seen in [=OotP=], that Dumbledore could curbstomp a dozen of them without breaking a sweat, and now they are coming to his castle, where there will be at least three more powerful wizards ([=McGonagall=], Flitwick and Slughorn), not to mention the Aurors and the Order who could arrive later, and where the very walls might literally be friends and helping hands to the defenders (it's an enchanted castle after all). I guess they relied on Snape as their "fifth column" and to an extent it worked as he stunned Flitwick, but still, were they really hoping to overpower DD on his home turf? I doubt Draco or even Snape could predict that DD would be in such a debilitated state. It would make sense if the [=DEs=] attempted to take the students hostage, but they didn't.



** His plan was to wait for Dumbledore to leave, send up the dark mark when he's coming back and then call a bunch of Death Eater to keep anyone besides Dumbledore from getting to where the mark was. Besides Dumbledore genuinely not seeing it coming though, it wasn't a good plan that only worked because Dumbledore let it. Other things gone better Dumbledore would have stomped all the death eater and then patched the hole in security that let them in.

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** His plan was to wait for Dumbledore to leave, send up the dark mark when he's coming back and then call a bunch of Death Eater Eaters to keep anyone besides Dumbledore from getting to where the mark was. Besides Dumbledore genuinely not seeing it coming though, it wasn't a good plan that only worked because Dumbledore let it. Other things gone better Dumbledore would have stomped all the death eater eaters and then patched the hole in security that let them in.



** I don't think it had anything to do with Ron's emotions in the book. They were doing some kind of practice in class, Ron was distracted by the conversation they were having while he waved his wand absentmindedly, and he made it snow.



* Harry had tryouts for Quidditch. Fair enough, most of the last Team had finished the School. but Why the hell did he have to hold tryouts for the players he already had? He had Ron as goalkeeper. Why should [=McLaggen=] be tried out as goalkeeper, when he already had one? In Book V it's stated that there are tryouts for goalkeeper, as Wood left, and the rest of the team should just be there to see how the new one fits in. So, why?

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* Harry had tryouts for Quidditch. Fair enough, most of the last Team team had finished the School. school. but Why why the hell did he have to hold tryouts for the players he already had? He had Ron as goalkeeper. Why should [=McLaggen=] be tried out as goalkeeper, when he already had one? In Book V it's stated that there are tryouts for goalkeeper, as Wood left, and the rest of the team should just be there to see how the new one fits in. So, why?



** But there were no tryouts to replace Harry or Someone else till then. They had Tryouts only for a goalkeeper in the V book, not for the players they already had.

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** But there were no tryouts to replace Harry or Someone someone else till then. They had Tryouts tryouts only for a goalkeeper in the V book, not for the players they already had.



** Harry ''was'' originally going to hold tryouts only for the players he lacked. Katie Bell, the only one of the original team left, who was going to automatically get a spot, basically convinced him to have tryouts for ''all'' the players, in the name of fairness and of having the best possible team, saying that "Good teams have been ruined before now because Captains just kept playing the old faces, or letting in their friends."
** The Head of House chooses the Captain of the team, so Harry was automatically on the team (and what position would he play other than Seeker?). In V Book, he replaeced the Keeper because Wood had graduated, but the team was otherwise intact. In VI, it was only him and Katie left, so he had to rebuild from the ground up. Katie likely didn't call him on this in the previous book because he was new to coaching, so she figured the less stress he was under, the better (plus they DID have a really good team). With him having settled into the job and now having the chance to do it right, she insisted he hold her to the same standard.

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** Harry ''was'' originally going to hold tryouts only for the players he lacked. Katie Bell, the only one of the original team left, who was going to automatically get a spot, basically convinced him to have tryouts for ''all'' the players, in the name of fairness and of having the best possible team, saying that "Good teams have been ruined before now because Captains captains just kept playing the old faces, or letting in their friends."
** The Head of House chooses the Captain captain of the team, so Harry was automatically on the team (and what position would he play other than Seeker?). In V Book, he replaeced replaced the Keeper because Wood had graduated, but the team was otherwise intact. In VI, it was only him and Katie left, so he had to rebuild from the ground up. Katie likely didn't call him on this in the previous book because he was new to coaching, so she figured the less stress he was under, the better (plus they DID have a really good team). With him having settled into the job and now having the chance to do it right, she insisted he hold her to the same standard.



*** Since when is Snape not unbelievably petty and cruel at every opportunity?



** Actually it was said that shorty after Snape, [=McGonagall=] and Flitwik started demanding non-verbal magic in their classes as well, so it's not something exclusive to DADA. The point is, I think, that such a difficult but usefull technique should've been taught gradually from the first yerar.

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** Actually it was said that shorty shortly after Snape, [=McGonagall=] and Flitwik started demanding non-verbal magic in their classes as well, so it's not something exclusive to DADA. The point is, I think, that such a difficult but usefull useful technique should've been taught gradually from the first yerar.year.



** Because it never should've reached that point. It was supposed to be the easiest operation ever - wait for the kids, ambush them in the atrium, overwhelm, take hostage, walk Harry to the hall, make him take the prophecy. And yet Lucius managed to fuck it up by doing it backwards.

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** Because it never should've reached that point. It was supposed to be the easiest operation ever - wait for the kids, ambush them in the atrium, overwhelm, take hostage, hostages, walk Harry to the hall, make him take the prophecy. And yet Lucius managed to fuck it up by doing it backwards.



** And that makes the Kiss (or Azkhaban) better... how? Don't you think most of the captured criminals would prefer such treatment to either of those alternatives? Maybe not Bellatrix, but she's crazy.

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** And that makes the Kiss (or Azkhaban) Azkaban) better... how? Don't you think most of the captured criminals would prefer such treatment to either of those alternatives? Maybe not Bellatrix, but she's crazy.


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** Where does Dumbledore treat Riddle like an enemy? Was this in the movies? If so, just take it that anything you see in the movies is not canon. Dumbledore himself tells Harry that he chose to give Riddle a chance because he might genuinely have turned over a new leaf. That's why he didn't tell the other teachers about Riddle's history or their first meaning.
27th Jun '17 7:20:46 PM ShorinBJ
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** Rowling's spells use pseudo-Latin, but I read the English translation of Sectumsempra as something like "cut forever". Forever, like it can't heal normally.


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** Who says Riddle had good social skills at the orphanage? Remember his first meeting with Dumbledore? No effort into pretending to not be creepy. Which makes it a little weird that he immediately morphed into a charmer between then and arriving at Hogwarts.
27th Jun '17 7:07:56 PM ShorinBJ
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*** He made seven on accident; he intended to make six, so his soul would be in seven pieces, with one in his body.
27th Jun '17 7:05:15 PM ShorinBJ
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** Rowling was all over the map here. In HP4, Amos Diggory calls policemen "please-men", like he's never heard of such a thing. Then in HP5, Umbridge uses "police" as a verb. Guns have existed for fucking centuries, yet a Wizard newspaper thought their readers wouldn't have a clue what that was and clarified in parentheses, "a kind of metal wand Muggles use to kill each other". Are you fucking kidding me with this shit?
27th Jun '17 6:59:42 PM ShorinBJ
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*** Maybe not, but students can and should exercise their brains to really think in-depth about the material. Actual smart ideas require practice. If anything, the professor should have encouraged it, and when a student did a half-witted job, explained ''why'' it was a bad paper and how they could do better in future. That's called, you know, teaching.



** I find this idea extremely unlikely. It never comes up, and none of the people in charge strike me as the sort to appreciate this kind of thinking.
** A chef could not potentially blow everybody up by experimenting with recipes, and if they only have one class to make the potion and weren't told about it in advance, then how could they possibly be realistically expected to make a better potion? Every time the change in ingredients didn't work, they'd have to start over. They may not have enough ingredients and they certainly wouldn't have enough time. That kind of thing might be an okay homework assignment, but not a 'brew a potion in an hour starting now' assignment.

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** *** I find this idea extremely unlikely. It never comes up, and none of the people in charge strike me as the sort to appreciate this kind of thinking.
** *** A chef could not potentially blow everybody up by experimenting with recipes, and if they only have one class to make the potion and weren't told about it in advance, then how could they possibly be realistically expected to make a better potion? Every time the change in ingredients didn't work, they'd have to start over. They may not have enough ingredients and they certainly wouldn't have enough time. That kind of thing might be an okay homework assignment, but not a 'brew a potion in an hour starting now' assignment.assignment.
*** At what point does either Snape or Slughorn tell the students to experiment and figure out the best ways to make potions with their own ideas? All they get is "Here's the instructions. Follow them."



** I've read all the arguments and at heart I do think Harry is behaving immorally, though not necessarily cheating. The fact is, Harry wants to be an Auror. [=McGonagall=] states in Order of the Phoenix that Potions is absolutely essential for Aurors, and both she and Tonks do say that Aurors are required to undergo external testing to become an Auror. As someone said above, Harry is not learning anything in this class. On the occasions when he either doesn't have the Prince's book or he's undergoing a test where the book cannot help him, he does terribly. I do think there's more to Potions than simply memorizing formulas, because on many occasions Snape has demanded essays from the kids about the properties of such-and-such, has instructed them to make their own potions now and then, and I think there was one instance when Harry screwed up a potion and Snape forced him to write out an essay explaining where he went wrong and why that was bad. Although we don't see it, it seems likely that Slughorn demands a similar curriculum--but Harry's just using the Prince's work, and never comes up with any of his own ideas. So while he technically may be passing Potions, he doesn't understand them. Were it not for Shacklebolt making Harry an Auror straight off the bat, he would almost certainly not have passed those tests, because he doesn't know the concepts and he wouldn't have the book to help him. Heck, would he have even passed his NEWTs? He'd have to develop a photographic memory to do so. So, to use a dreadfully clichéd line of my old teachers, the only one he's really cheating is himself.

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** I've read all the arguments and at heart I do think Harry is behaving immorally, though not necessarily cheating. The fact is, Harry wants to be an Auror. [=McGonagall=] states in Order of the Phoenix that Potions is absolutely essential for Aurors, and both she and Tonks do say that Aurors are required to undergo external testing to become an Auror. As someone said above, Harry is not learning anything in this class. On the occasions when he either doesn't have the Prince's book or he's undergoing a test where the book cannot help him, he does terribly. I do think there's more to Potions than simply memorizing formulas, because on many occasions Snape has demanded essays from the kids about the properties of such-and-such, has instructed them to make their own potions now and then, and I think there was one instance when Harry screwed up a potion and Snape forced him to write out an essay explaining where he went wrong and why that was bad. Although we don't see it, it seems likely that Slughorn demands a similar curriculum--but Harry's just using the Prince's work, and never comes up with any of his own ideas. So while he technically may be passing Potions, he doesn't understand them. Were it not for Shacklebolt making Harry an Auror straight off the bat, he would almost certainly not have passed those tests, because he doesn't know the concepts and he wouldn't have the book to help him. Heck, would he have even passed his NEWTs? [=NEWTs=]? He'd have to develop a photographic memory to do so. So, to use a dreadfully clichéd line of my old teachers, the only one he's really cheating is himself.
10th May '17 4:42:31 AM Sharlee
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** He's making a metaphor. Voldemort is afraid of the ''unknown'', specifically the unknown fate awaiting mortals after death. Fear of the dark is simply an analogy to that: we fear darkness because it obstructs us seeing, hence makes our environment "unknown".
10th May '17 4:40:30 AM Sharlee
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** Moreover, Voldemort has little to lose by making such a move against Dumbledore, as he presumes his enemy is ''already'' a much on "high alert" as DD is capable of being. He's hoping that Dumbledore's compassion for his students (which V sees as weakness) will make him vulnerable to attack from that direction, or at least allow Draco time to achieve his task of helping other Death Eaters break into Hogwarts. And Draco, even with his father's disgrace, is a better choice than most of the ''other'' DE children currently at Hogwarts: would you bet on Crabbe, Goyle, or Nott coming up with a plan?

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** Moreover, Voldemort has little to lose by making such a move against Dumbledore, as he presumes his enemy is ''already'' a as much on "high alert" as DD is capable of being. He's hoping that Dumbledore's compassion for his students (which V sees as weakness) will make him vulnerable to attack from that direction, or at least allow Draco time to achieve his task of helping other Death Eaters break into Hogwarts. And Draco, even with his father's disgrace, is a better choice than most of the ''other'' DE children currently at Hogwarts: would you bet on Crabbe, Goyle, or Nott coming up with a plan?subtle plan or carrying it through?
10th May '17 4:39:14 AM Sharlee
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** Moreover, Voldemort has little to lose by making such a move against Dumbledore, as he presumes his enemy is ''already'' a much on "high alert" as DD is capable of being. He's hoping that Dumbledore's compassion for his students (which V sees as weakness) will make him vulnerable to attack from that direction, or at least allow Draco time to achieve his task of helping other Death Eaters break into Hogwarts. And Draco, even with his father's disgrace, is a better choice than most of the ''other'' DE children currently at Hogwarts: would you bet on Crabbe, Goyle, or Nott coming up with a plan?
9th May '17 8:27:01 PM Sharlee
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*** The way the scene is described, Harry was "standing" in front of memory-Snape's desk while he watched him writing. The handwriting would have been upside-down.


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** Writing on a chalkboard is ''very'' different from writing with a feather quill. Moreover, chalk lends itself better to script, while nib-pens (the closest things to quills this troper has ever tried) work better with cursive.
9th May '17 8:08:28 PM Sharlee
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** Felics doesn't see into the future. All it does is make a person aware of which actions they will take will bring luck to the goal they wish the accomplish as they think over their potential options. It doesn't tell how, nor does it alter probability in of itself.

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** Felics Felicis doesn't see into the future. All it does is make a person aware of which actions they will take will bring luck to the goal they wish the accomplish as they think over their potential options. It doesn't tell how, nor does it alter probability in of itself.



** Considering how FF facilitates even subconscious desires (e.g. breaking up Ginny and Dean), Dumbledore had an ''excellent'' reason not to use it: he was dying a slow, painful death. Subconsciously, part of him probably ''very much'' wants to be lying in St. Mungo's with a massive dose of magical morphine coursing through his veins, and he can't afford to risk Felix gravitating to ''that'' outcome instead of his conscious aims.



** To the Question why Coldemort hadn't any Felix for the Philosophers Stone: Quirrel was originally the Muggel Studies Teacher who just got into teaching Defense aginst the Dark arts, he was most likely simply not the master level Potions Master it would had needed to make some of it plus he would have toget the substances, wich would have been very very difficult and he could hardly steal from snape as snape would have suspected him right away and to have to potion ready by June it had to be started in December and Voldemort wouldn't want his Host to die. Not because he cared but because he had to find a new one in that case, one that had acess to Hogwarts.

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** To the Question why Coldemort hadn't any Felix for the Philosophers Stone: Quirrel was originally the Muggel Studies Teacher who just got into teaching Defense aginst the Dark arts, he was most likely simply not the master level Potions Master it would had needed to make some of it plus he would have toget the substances, wich would have been very very difficult and he could hardly steal from snape as snape would have suspected him right away and to have to potion ready by June it had to be started in December and Voldemort wouldn't want his Host to die. Not because he cared but because he had to find a new one in that case, one that had acess access to Hogwarts.
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