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** [[StableTimeLoop Yes.[[FridgeBrilliance Yes,]][[StableTimeLoop precisely.]]
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* Here's the story of Nemesis 3; Venom and Gofer (or Gofer II) travel back in time to year 6644, start the Northern Cross War, the real first Bacterian attack (not the Bacterian attack in Gradius 1) that ends up with most of Venom's race indirectly killed, and kidnap a three-year old James Burton and hold him prisoner so he won't grow up to be the Vic Viper pilot that thwarts the Bacterians. So David Burton, a future descendant of James, goes back in time to defeat the Bacterians and save James. But here's a thing that's bugged me: since Gofer II was killed in 6644 and, taking in account the Bacterians being a form of TheVirus, doesn't that mean that pieces of Gofer II would become sentient and become a new Big Bad that would return to attack Gradius?
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* Here's the story of Nemesis 3; Venom and Gofer (or Gofer II) travel back in time to year 6644, start the Northern Cross War, the real first Bacterian attack (not the Bacterian attack in Gradius 1) that ends up with most of Venom's race indirectly killed, and kidnap a three-year old James Burton and hold him prisoner so he won't grow up to be the Vic Viper pilot that thwarts the Bacterians. So David Burton, a future descendant of James, goes back in time to defeat the Bacterians and save James. But here's a thing that's bugged me: since Gofer II was killed in 6644 and, taking in account the Bacterians being a form of TheVirus, doesn't that mean that pieces of Gofer II would become sentient and become a new Big Bad that would return to attack Gradius?Gradius?
**[[StableTimeLoop Yes.]]
**[[StableTimeLoop Yes.]]
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** Ironically, according to the timeline of the series, Bacterian *is* permanently dealt with shortly after V.
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** The Bacterians have a noted ability to manifest metal mechanisms from flesh and even whole planets. This not only explains why the core of the fortresses looks so oddly meaty, but also explains the typical cellular levels of Gradius games in general - Bacterians have already begun transforming that planet.
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** If the OVA is anything to go by, they are people whose brains were absorbed into Bacterion's.
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** In canon there's currently no way whatsoever in completely deleting the Bacterian threat, and indeed, the last boss of Gradius V stated that shreads of them will be spread each time they're defeated, only to come back in exact measure of strength. With the factor of them becoming stronger through time, you get yourself a galactical version of a human body imperilled with HIV
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** In canon there's currently no way whatsoever in completely deleting the Bacterian threat, and indeed, the last boss of Gradius V stated that shreads shreds of them will be spread each time they're defeated, only to come back in exact measure of strength. With the factor of them becoming stronger through time, you get yourself a galactical galactic version of a human body imperilled imperiled with HIV
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** ''Gradius NEO'', set very far into Gradius's future, suggests that the Bacterians are eventually dealt with permanently: they're still around, but they've failed to rebuild their intelligence and are basically just animals, harmless to technologically advanced society. The new enemy is instead a human civilization (the Lars Empire) that is using old Bacterian tech as LostTechnology.
** ''Gradius NEO'', set very far into Gradius's future, suggests that the Bacterians are eventually dealt with permanently: they're still around, but they've failed to rebuild their intelligence and are basically just animals, harmless to technologically advanced society. The new enemy is instead a human civilization (the Lars Empire) that is using old Bacterian tech as LostTechnology.
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*** Can you please clarify? You haven't addressed the "two players" part. The way I see it, two ships traveling together could've drawn the same conclusion about the enemy ships' weaknesses from the scan ("This requires two ships? Hm, this is a two-ship squad...") and then split up to destroy the ship without having to time travel to double their forces.
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*** Can you please clarify? You haven't addressed the "two players" part. The way I see it, two ships traveling together (as in a 2-player game) could've drawn the same conclusion about the enemy ships' weaknesses from the scan ("This requires two ships? Hm, this is a two-ship squad...") and then split up to destroy the ship without having to time travel to double their forces.
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*** Can you please clarify? You haven't addressed the "two players" part. The way I see it, two ships traveling together could've drawn the same conclusion about the enemy ships' weaknesses and then split up to destroy the ship without having to time travel to double their forces.
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*** Can you please clarify? You haven't addressed the "two players" part. The way I see it, two ships traveling together could've drawn the same conclusion about the enemy ships' weaknesses from the scan ("This requires two ships? Hm, this is a two-ship squad...") and then split up to destroy the ship without having to time travel to double their forces.
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*** Can you please clarify? You haven't addressed the "two players" part.
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*** Can you please clarify? You haven't addressed the "two players" part. The way I see it, two ships traveling together could've drawn the same conclusion about the enemy ships' weaknesses and then split up to destroy the ship without having to time travel to double their forces.
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*** Can you please clarify? You haven't addressed the "two players" part.
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* At the end of Stage 7 in ''Gradius V'', you \encounter that same battleship and time-travel back to the events of Stage 2, because the battleship can only be destroyed with two ships. This leaves players with one question: ''Gradius V'' has 2-player simultaneous play. If two players reach the end of Stage 7, [[FridgeLogic wouldn't that defeat the purpose of going back in time since there's already two ships?]]
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* At the end of Stage 7 in ''Gradius V'', you \encounter that encounter the same battleship you first encountered in Stage 2 and time-travel back to the events of Stage 2, because the battleship can only be destroyed with two ships. This leaves players with one question: ''Gradius V'' has 2-player simultaneous play. If two players reach the end of Stage 7, [[FridgeLogic wouldn't that defeat the purpose of going back in time since there's already two ships?]]
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*At the end of Stage 7 in ''Gradius V'', you \encounter that same battleship and time-travel back to the events of Stage 2, because the battleship can only be destroyed with two ships. This leaves players with one question: ''Gradius V'' has 2-player simultaneous play. If two players reach the end of Stage 7, [[FridgeLogic wouldn't that defeat the purpose of going back in time since there's already two ships?]]
** Because the battleship only appears in Stage 2, thanks to your future self teleporting it and himself. You don't actually encounter the battleship until the end of Stage 7, but you know how to destroy it due to the events from Stage 2 and the analysis of the battleship by your ship's computer at the end of Stage 7. [[FridgeBrilliance So, in a way, you have already completed the game at the end of Stage 2.]]
** Because the battleship only appears in Stage 2, thanks to your future self teleporting it and himself. You don't actually encounter the battleship until the end of Stage 7, but you know how to destroy it due to the events from Stage 2 and the analysis of the battleship by your ship's computer at the end of Stage 7. [[FridgeBrilliance So, in a way, you have already completed the game at the end of Stage 2.]]
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* What's the point trying to destroy the Bacterians when its a ZeroSumGame?
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* What's the point trying to destroy the Bacterians when its a ZeroSumGame?there are so many of them that it's impossible to kill them all?
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** Because its ''not'' a ZeroSumGame. If it was, how could ''Gradius Gaiden'' take place in a world hundreds of years in the future where the people have forgotten what war is like?
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** Because its it's ''not'' a ZeroSumGame.worthless. If it was, how could ''Gradius Gaiden'' take place in a world hundreds of years in the future where the people have forgotten what war is like?
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** Because in the depths of the final fortresses, we can see that Bacterians power their applications through their own abilities, meaning their very organisms themselves can provide power to whole fortresses / forces / armadas
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*** The time it takes for the Bacterians to recover varies at a lot depending on how damaging the defeat is.
** In canon there's currently no way whatsoever in completely deleting the Bacterian threat, and indeed, the last boss of Gradius V stated that shreads of them will be spread each time they're defeated, only to come back in exact measure of strength. With the factor of them becoming stronger through time, you get yourself a galactical version of a human body imperilled with HIV
** In canon there's currently no way whatsoever in completely deleting the Bacterian threat, and indeed, the last boss of Gradius V stated that shreads of them will be spread each time they're defeated, only to come back in exact measure of strength. With the factor of them becoming stronger through time, you get yourself a galactical version of a human body imperilled with HIV
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***The time it takes for the Bacterians to recover varies at lot depending on how damaging the defeat is.
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** Because its ''not'' a ZeroSumGame. If it was, how could ''Gradius Gaiden'' take place in a world hundreds of years in the future where the people have forgotten what war is like?
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* Why does almost every time as you get close to the BigBad in his fortress/planet, things look organic?
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* Here's the story of Nemesis 3; Venom and Gofer (or Gofer II) travel back in time to year 6644, start the Northern Cross War, the real first Bacterian attack (not the Bacterian attack in Gradius 1) that ends up with most of Venom's race indirectly killed, and kidnap a three-year old James Burton and hold him prisoner so he won't grow up to be the Vic Viper pilot that thwarts the Bacterians. So David Burton, a future descendant of James, goes back in time to defeat the Bacterians and save James. But here's a thing that's bugged me: since Gofer II was killed in 6644 and taking to account the Bacterians being a form of TheVirus, doesn't that mean that pieces of Gofer II would become sentient and become a new Big Bad that would return to attack Gradius?
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* Here's the story of Nemesis 3; Venom and Gofer (or Gofer II) travel back in time to year 6644, start the Northern Cross War, the real first Bacterian attack (not the Bacterian attack in Gradius 1) that ends up with most of Venom's race indirectly killed, and kidnap a three-year old James Burton and hold him prisoner so he won't grow up to be the Vic Viper pilot that thwarts the Bacterians. So David Burton, a future descendant of James, goes back in time to defeat the Bacterians and save James. But here's a thing that's bugged me: since Gofer II was killed in 6644 and and, taking to in account the Bacterians being a form of TheVirus, doesn't that mean that pieces of Gofer II would become sentient and become a new Big Bad that would return to attack Gradius?
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** Eh.. good point. Maybe it's because it slows them down for a few something years before they attack again?
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** Eh.. good point. Maybe it's because it slows them down for a few something years before they attack again?again?
* Here's the story of Nemesis 3; Venom and Gofer (or Gofer II) travel back in time to year 6644, start the Northern Cross War, the real first Bacterian attack (not the Bacterian attack in Gradius 1) that ends up with most of Venom's race indirectly killed, and kidnap a three-year old James Burton and hold him prisoner so he won't grow up to be the Vic Viper pilot that thwarts the Bacterians. So David Burton, a future descendant of James, goes back in time to defeat the Bacterians and save James. But here's a thing that's bugged me: since Gofer II was killed in 6644 and taking to account the Bacterians being a form of TheVirus, doesn't that mean that pieces of Gofer II would become sentient and become a new Big Bad that would return to attack Gradius?
* Here's the story of Nemesis 3; Venom and Gofer (or Gofer II) travel back in time to year 6644, start the Northern Cross War, the real first Bacterian attack (not the Bacterian attack in Gradius 1) that ends up with most of Venom's race indirectly killed, and kidnap a three-year old James Burton and hold him prisoner so he won't grow up to be the Vic Viper pilot that thwarts the Bacterians. So David Burton, a future descendant of James, goes back in time to defeat the Bacterians and save James. But here's a thing that's bugged me: since Gofer II was killed in 6644 and taking to account the Bacterians being a form of TheVirus, doesn't that mean that pieces of Gofer II would become sentient and become a new Big Bad that would return to attack Gradius?
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* What's the point trying to destroy the Bacterians when its a ZeroSumGame?ZeroSumGame?
** Eh.. good point. Maybe it's because it slows them down for a few something years before they attack again?
** Eh.. good point. Maybe it's because it slows them down for a few something years before they attack again?
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*** But the faces surrounding the final boss of Gradius Galaxies....
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** Bacterion is a HiveMind. The Faces are probably just the many different bacterian cells that compose him.
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** Bacterion is a HiveMind. The Faces are probably just the many different bacterian cells that compose him.him.
* What's the point trying to destroy the Bacterians when its a ZeroSumGame?
* What's the point trying to destroy the Bacterians when its a ZeroSumGame?
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** Bacterion is a HiveMind. The Faces are probably just the many different bacterian cells that compose him.
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* What happened to Venom between James activating the Shield Device in Nemesis 3, and him becoming the brain in Gradius V?
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* What happened to Venom between James activating the Shield Device in Nemesis 3, and him becoming the brain in Gradius V?V?
*What's with the faces surrounding Bacterion?
*What's with the faces surrounding Bacterion?
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Exactly what did Bacterion mean when he said he was born from the greediness of mankind?
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**Presumably that means that the Humans created Bacterion - It's a bit ambiguous, really.
*What happened to Venom between James activating the Shield Device in Nemesis 3, and him becoming the brain in Gradius V?
