Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Headscratchers / Fringe

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Yeah that makes sense as far as an invasion goes, but they should've been able to convince the past observers to help them in some way.

to:

*** Yeah that makes sense as far as an invasion goes, but they should've been able to convince the past observers to help them in some way.way.
**So there's an evil version of William Bell… and he doesn't [[LeonardNimoy wear a]] [[StarTrek goatee]]? Aw, c'mon!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The Commander is vague about it, but according to him that precise moment in time was the optimal time for success, I'd guess that it is a time where Earth is weak enough to be invaded and conquered and yet advanced enough to make a suitable home for the Observers without much hassle. Presumably after this specific period Earth would be too strong to invade.

to:

** The Commander is vague about it, but according to him that precise moment in time was the optimal time for success, I'd guess that it is a time where Earth is weak enough to be invaded and conquered and yet advanced enough to make a suitable home for the Observers without much hassle. Presumably after this specific period Earth would be too strong to invade.invade.
*** Yeah that makes sense as far as an invasion goes, but they should've been able to convince the past observers to help them in some way.

Added: 711

Changed: 628

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Why did the observers bother coming back to the 21st century and facing resistance when they had 400 or so years that observers existed before wrecking the planet which should be enough time to research terraforming another planet and taking the research back to their future allowing them to eventually make a suitable place for them to live in.

to:

** Walter and Michael were not only aiming to erase the Observers, they were seeking to create a superior humanity that still had emotions like Michael. So presumably, the future humans would be like Michael: Powerful, intelligent, but still human. And as such, they would not ruin earth nor invade our realm, but would save Peter in the original timeline out of grattitude for their maker [Walter]. The timeline remains, if shifted. Presumably they, Michael-based humanity fixed reality.
* Why did the observers bother coming back to the 21st century and facing resistance when they had 400 or so years that observers existed before wrecking the planet which should be enough time to research terraforming another planet and taking the research back to their future allowing them to eventually make a suitable place for them to live in.in.
** The Commander is vague about it, but according to him that precise moment in time was the optimal time for success, I'd guess that it is a time where Earth is weak enough to be invaded and conquered and yet advanced enough to make a suitable home for the Observers without much hassle. Presumably after this specific period Earth would be too strong to invade.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* I used to really love this show, but the logic concerning the ending completely ruins it for me. Step one: Observers come from the future and invade past Earth. Step two: Observers are NOT erased from existence, and thus it can be inferred that they have created an alternate timeline in which the events of season 5 take place - OR they have some sort of technological solution to prevent erasing their own existence (think the paradox machine from Doctor Who or something). Clearly the creation of the observers in 22XX or whatever does not take place in this new altered timeline, due to, you know, the observers completely wrecking Earth and replacing it with observers in the 21st century. Step three: the main characters travel forwards from 2036, to 22XX, and stop the creation of the observers. The observers are erased from existence (despite the observers' own trashing of the 21st century not erasing them from existence), and everything resets as if they were not created (but the entire events of the show up until they invaded still happened, because September declares he is from "a possible future", but for some reason this does not apply to all of season 5.). For SOME reason, this requires that Walter Bishop is removed from precisely the year 2014 (or whenever they originally invaded) in order to not create a paradox. It's like season 5 needs to be erased from the show's continuity in order for the whole show to have any chance of making sense.

to:

* I used to really love this show, but the logic concerning the ending completely ruins it for me. Step one: Observers come from the future and invade past Earth. Step two: Observers are NOT erased from existence, and thus it can be inferred that they have created an alternate timeline in which the events of season 5 take place - OR they have some sort of technological solution to prevent erasing their own existence (think the paradox machine from Doctor Who or something). Clearly the creation of the observers in 22XX or whatever does not take place in this new altered timeline, due to, you know, the observers completely wrecking Earth and replacing it with observers in the 21st century. Step three: the main characters travel forwards from 2036, to 22XX, and stop the creation of the observers. The observers are erased from existence (despite the observers' own trashing of the 21st century not erasing them from existence), and everything resets as if they were not created (but the entire events of the show up until they invaded still happened, because September declares he is from "a possible future", but for some reason this does not apply to all of season 5.). For SOME reason, this requires that Walter Bishop is removed from precisely the year 2014 (or whenever they originally invaded) in order to not create a paradox. It's like season 5 needs to be erased from the show's continuity in order for the whole show to have any chance of making sense.sense.
* Why did the observers bother coming back to the 21st century and facing resistance when they had 400 or so years that observers existed before wrecking the planet which should be enough time to research terraforming another planet and taking the research back to their future allowing them to eventually make a suitable place for them to live in.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** What Olivia says is "We did something like this before". I guess because the lights were off she figured they were doing it the other way around.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** But why would a cybernetic arm even ''need'' a power source powerful enough to rip holes in reality? And anyway, I'd just assumed that it didn't need that much power, it was more that the power was being kept "safe" by hiding it in plain sight in the arm.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


**** No, it was most definately to get Olivia to take Cortexiphan so she would later be able to crush Windmark with a car. Remember after rescuing Michael, Olivia has a moment of frustration and asks him to tell her what to do, because he must know. Michael simply puts his finger to his lips, indicating Olivia should shush cause Astrid was about to figure out what to do anyway. Then, in the Finale, right after crushing Windmark, he puts his finger to his lips again, calling back to her desperately asking him what she should do. Michael knew he would be taken to the Liberty Island facility when captured. He knew the Fringe Division would concoct a plan to save him using the alternate universe, he knew this would involve Olivia taking Cortexiphan, and he knew she'd be the one to telekinetically kill Windmark with a car.

to:

**** No, it was most definately to get Olivia to take Cortexiphan so she would later be able to crush Windmark with a car. Remember after rescuing Michael, Olivia has a moment of frustration and asks him to tell her what to do, because he must know. Michael simply puts his finger to his lips, indicating Olivia should shush cause Astrid was about to figure out what to do anyway. Then, in the Finale, right after crushing Windmark, he puts his finger to his lips again, calling back to her desperately asking him what she should do. Michael knew he would be taken to the Liberty Island facility when captured. He knew the Fringe Division team would concoct a plan to save him using the alternate universe, he knew this would involve Olivia taking Cortexiphan, and he knew she'd be the one to telekinetically kill Windmark with a car.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** No, it was most definately to get Olivia to take Cortexiphan so she would later be able to crush Windmark with a car. Remember after rescuing Michael, Olivia has a moment of frustration and asks him to tell her what to do, because he must know. Michael simply puts his finger to his lips, indicating Olivia should shush cause Astrid was about to figure out what to do anyway. Then, in the Finale, right after crushing Windmark, he puts his finger to his lips again, calling back to her desperately asking him what she should do. Michael knew he would be taken to the Liberty Island facility when captured. He knew the Fringe Division would concoct a plan to save him using the alternate universe, he knew this would involve Olivia taking Cortexiphan, and he knew she'd be the one to telekinetically kill Windmark with a car.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* In season 1, Olivia disarms a bomb by turning OFF all the lights in a light box with her mind. However, in season 4, the character remembers that backwards and says the villain wants her to turn ON the lights, and the villain agrees. Do the writers not even review an episode before they make references back to it and get things exactly backwards?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
minor edit - namespace


* Hypnotism came up a lot in the last episode. Any Gen Psych student (or ''{{Mythbusters}}'' viewer) will tell you that hypnotism cannot give you greater memory recollection, yet it's stated that they tried to do just that off-camera (to their credit, it didn't work). Also, hypnotism CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE DO ANYTHING AGAINST THEIR WILL. Yet Walter was hired by an advertising agency to create ads that "Forced" people to buy products through hypnosis.

to:

* Hypnotism came up a lot in the last episode. Any Gen Psych student (or ''{{Mythbusters}}'' ''Series/{{Mythbusters}}'' viewer) will tell you that hypnotism cannot give you greater memory recollection, yet it's stated that they tried to do just that off-camera (to their credit, it didn't work). Also, hypnotism CANNOT MAKE PEOPLE DO ANYTHING AGAINST THEIR WILL. Yet Walter was hired by an advertising agency to create ads that "Forced" people to buy products through hypnosis.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
the plot moved forward

Added DiffLines:

** Justified in the end of season 5. [[spoiler: September deliberately distracted Walternate in order to ensure the timeline that keeps his own son alive.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The government is actually spectacularly inefficient at realizing things like this. Unless somebody had actually carefully gone over both his and Olivia's file, they wouldn't have known about the connection, unless Olivia (or somebody else in the office) had made a formal complaint. Given that both she and Broyles seemed inclined to just sit back and take it, its likely that anybody with the power to remove Harris simply didn't know about the connection between them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** They were using the pulse rifles designed by William Bell to be standard issue for Fringe agents in the red universe. Bell also invented the Observer-killing guns. It's possible that the pulse rifles have the same super-fast shooting capabilities, we just never got to see it before because they'd never been shot at Observers.

to:

** They were using the pulse rifles designed by William Bell to be standard issue for Fringe agents in the red universe. Bell also invented the Observer-killing guns. It's possible that the pulse rifles have the same super-fast shooting capabilities, we just never got to see it before because they'd never been shot at Observers.Observers.
*I used to really love this show, but the logic concerning the ending completely ruins it for me. Step one: Observers come from the future and invade past Earth. Step two: Observers are NOT erased from existence, and thus it can be inferred that they have created an alternate timeline in which the events of season 5 take place - OR they have some sort of technological solution to prevent erasing their own existence (think the paradox machine from Doctor Who or something). Clearly the creation of the observers in 22XX or whatever does not take place in this new altered timeline, due to, you know, the observers completely wrecking Earth and replacing it with observers in the 21st century. Step three: the main characters travel forwards from 2036, to 22XX, and stop the creation of the observers. The observers are erased from existence (despite the observers' own trashing of the 21st century not erasing them from existence), and everything resets as if they were not created (but the entire events of the show up until they invaded still happened, because September declares he is from "a possible future", but for some reason this does not apply to all of season 5.). For SOME reason, this requires that Walter Bishop is removed from precisely the year 2014 (or whenever they originally invaded) in order to not create a paradox. It's like season 5 needs to be erased from the show's continuity in order for the whole show to have any chance of making sense.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** It's not the physical heat of their food, it's the intensity of the flavour, hence the hot peppers. It's implied they have a very dulled sense of taste. Maybe the Slushos have some [[{{Cloverfield}} special properties]].

to:

** It's not the physical heat of their food, it's the intensity of the flavour, hence the hot peppers. It's implied they have a very dulled sense of taste. Maybe the Slushos have some [[{{Cloverfield}} [[Film/{{Cloverfield}} special properties]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet may have been faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes could have saved him anymore. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!

to:

* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet may have been faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes could have saved him anymore. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!Bolivia!
** They were using the pulse rifles designed by William Bell to be standard issue for Fringe agents in the red universe. Bell also invented the Observer-killing guns. It's possible that the pulse rifles have the same super-fast shooting capabilities, we just never got to see it before because they'd never been shot at Observers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** I was under the impression that Loyalists were about to enter the train car looking for Michael (and Olivia). Michael turned himself in to save Olivia, knowing that she would rescue him later.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* S4 establishes that Fauxlivia still seduced ''someone'' in the Amber Universe, but it couldn't have been Peter. But Walter still hates her for her evil vagenda. So who did she seduce? Or, if Peter was there all along, as is somewhat hinted, but everyone's memories erased, why would Walter still hate her without knowing ''why'' he hated her?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* S4 establishes that Fauxlivia still seduced ''someone'' in the Amber Universe, but it couldn't have been Peter. But Walter still hates her for her evil vagenda. So who did she seduce? Or, if Peter was there all along, as is somewhat hinted, but everyone's memories erased, why would Walter still hate her without knowing ''why'' he hated her?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** In the end, Olivia saves Michael by telekinetically throwing a car at Windmark. She couldn't have done it, if she hadn't taken Cortexiphan to rescue him earlier. So Michael getting caught was necessary to prepare Olivia for this situation.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet was faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes could have saved him anymore. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!

to:

* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet was may have been faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes could have saved him anymore. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Also from the GrandFinale: What ''was'' the reason for Michael exiting the train again and letting himself get caught by the Observers? Even though it is implied that he had known all along that Olivia will save him in time, it nevertheless seemed unnecessary. Did he just want to have an opportunity to tease Windmark with his MindRape immunity??
* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet was faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes could have saved him. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!

to:

* Also from the GrandFinale: What ''was'' the reason for Michael exiting the train again and letting himself get caught by the Observers? Even though it is gets implied that he had known all along that Olivia will save him in time, it nevertheless seemed unnecessary. Did he just want to have an opportunity to tease Windmark with his MindRape immunity??
* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet was faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes could have saved him.him anymore. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet was faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes would have been of good use anymore. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!

to:

* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, and if you keep in mind the possibility that the bullet was faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes would could have been of good use anymore.saved him. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, but you'd think that if an Observer usually is fast enough to evade bullets, he'd at least try to react upon ''hearing'' a gun shot. And the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!

to:

* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, but you'd think and if you keep in mind the possibility that if an Observer usually is fast enough to evade bullets, he'd at least try to react upon ''hearing'' a gun shot. And the bullet was faster than the bang of the gun, not even his super-fast reflexes would have been of good use anymore. But the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Also from the GrandFinale: What ''was'' the reason for Michael exiting the train again and letting himself get caught by the Observers? Even though that it is implied that he has known all along that Olivia will save him in time, it nevertheless seemed unnecessary. Did he just want to have an opportunity to tease Windmark with his MindRape immunity??

to:

* Also from the GrandFinale: What ''was'' the reason for Michael exiting the train again and letting himself get caught by the Observers? Even though that it is implied that he has had known all along that Olivia will save him in time, it nevertheless seemed unnecessary. Did he just want to have an opportunity to tease Windmark with his MindRape immunity??
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Well, he's been married to the woman of his dreams for twenty years in that timeline, maybe he lost his shyness and became more confident, like his alternate version.

to:

** Well, he's been married to the woman of his dreams for twenty years in that timeline, maybe he lost his shyness and became more confident, like his alternate version.version.
* Also from the GrandFinale: What ''was'' the reason for Michael exiting the train again and letting himself get caught by the Observers? Even though that it is implied that he has known all along that Olivia will save him in time, it nevertheless seemed unnecessary. Did he just want to have an opportunity to tease Windmark with his MindRape immunity??
* Still concerning the finale: How did Lincoln and Bolivia manage to shoot two Observers without those special Observer-killing guns? OK, they shot the first one from behind, but you'd think that if an Observer usually is fast enough to evade bullets, he'd at least try to react upon ''hearing'' a gun shot. And the second Observer doesn't even have the excuse of having been caught off-guard, considering that he himself was sneaking up on Lincoln and Bolivia!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Lincoln in the GrandFinale. I know the main universe Lincoln stayed on the other side in the end, but in the finale, he sure ''acts'' more like Earth 2 Lincoln than ours. Did the universes get changed ''again,'' or over 20 years has our Lincoln turned into being pretty much just like theirs?

to:

* Lincoln in the GrandFinale. I know the main universe Lincoln stayed on the other side in the end, but in the finale, he sure ''acts'' more like Earth 2 Lincoln than ours. Did the universes get changed ''again,'' or over 20 years has our Lincoln turned into being pretty much just like theirs?theirs?
** Well, he's been married to the woman of his dreams for twenty years in that timeline, maybe he lost his shyness and became more confident, like his alternate version.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** MSTK mantra, the show is never 100% realistic, there are always twisting the laws of science for there can entertain us.

to:

** MSTK mantra, the show is never 100% realistic, there are always twisting the laws of science for there can entertain us.us.
*Lincoln in the GrandFinale. I know the main universe Lincoln stayed on the other side in the end, but in the finale, he sure ''acts'' more like Earth 2 Lincoln than ours. Did the universes get changed ''again,'' or over 20 years has our Lincoln turned into being pretty much just like theirs?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The parasites from "Snakehead" were supposedly engineered from hookworms, which are nematodes. Walter claims that a valuable drug could be found in their lymph glands, yet nematodes don't even have a ''circulatory'' system, never mind a lymphatic system.

to:

* The parasites from "Snakehead" were supposedly engineered from hookworms, which are nematodes. Walter claims that a valuable drug could be found in their lymph glands, yet nematodes don't even have a ''circulatory'' system, never mind a lymphatic system.system.
** MSTK mantra, the show is never 100% realistic, there are always twisting the laws of science for there can entertain us.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**Perhaps it fixes the DNA of the target to be more or less like the non-canorous cells of that person, therefore causing the cells to be able to die and curing the cancer?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Guys. Walter had sizable chucks of brain removed. He forgets stuff.

Top