History Headscratchers / Fringe

4th Jan '16 10:41:16 AM SCPIhpkmn
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* So there's an evil version of William Bell… and [[LeonardNimoy he doesn't]] [[StarTrek wear a]] [[MirrorUniverse goatee]]? Aw, c'mon!

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* So there's an evil version of William Bell… and [[LeonardNimoy he doesn't]] [[StarTrek wear a]] [[MirrorUniverse goatee]]? Aw, c'mon!c'mon!
* In Season 2, as a background gag, we see that comics are different in this universe- for example, instead of The Dark Knight Returns, we have The Man of Steel Returns, and instead of the Death of Superman, we have the Death of Batman, as well as references to Red Arrow and Red Lantern, as opposed to Green Arrow and Green Lantern. The headscratcher comes in Season 4- during a one-off gag in the alternate universe, Peter is discussing the fact that Batman has moved to the Bronx,and Fauxlivia/Bolivia asks who Batman is, and the conversation turns to the fact that Batman doesn't exist in this universe, and his counterpart is called the Mantis- except Batman's symbol, and the man himself, are pretty clearly shown in some shots of comic book covers in the background. This is a minor thing, but after all these years, it still bugs me.
16th Dec '15 5:18:14 AM idiopathic
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** Retroviruses like HIV and HTLV write their DNA into that of their host, these ones only effect leucocytes, but if you had a retrovirus that affected sperm or eggs then every descendant of the infected person would also be infected from conception. Bonus points: up to 8% of all human DNA may be made up of non-functional fragments of retroviruses which have become "fossilised" in th human genome, they're called Human Endogenous Retroviruses (HERVs)
29th Oct '15 9:03:19 AM kithas
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**** I see this as a question of vanity or pride: They knew they were wrong, but they wouldn't dare to admit it to themselves, reaching as far as invading another space-time place.
29th Oct '15 8:24:05 AM kithas
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** As I recall, he was supposed to have injected anyways (like it was all actually a demo and stuff). The storm was only an annoyance for the drama effect.
5th Jun '15 11:49:22 PM EcliptorCalrissian
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** So there's an evil version of William Bell… and he doesn't [[LeonardNimoy wear a]] [[StarTrek goatee]]? Aw, c'mon!

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** * So there's an evil version of William Bell… and he doesn't [[LeonardNimoy wear a]] he doesn't]] [[StarTrek wear a]] [[MirrorUniverse goatee]]? Aw, c'mon!
5th Jun '15 11:48:12 PM EcliptorCalrissian
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*** Yeah that makes sense as far as an invasion goes, but they should've been able to convince the past observers to help them in some way.

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*** Yeah that makes sense as far as an invasion goes, but they should've been able to convince the past observers to help them in some way.way.
**So there's an evil version of William Bell… and he doesn't [[LeonardNimoy wear a]] [[StarTrek goatee]]? Aw, c'mon!
21st Sep '14 3:48:23 PM oztrickster
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** The Commander is vague about it, but according to him that precise moment in time was the optimal time for success, I'd guess that it is a time where Earth is weak enough to be invaded and conquered and yet advanced enough to make a suitable home for the Observers without much hassle. Presumably after this specific period Earth would be too strong to invade.

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** The Commander is vague about it, but according to him that precise moment in time was the optimal time for success, I'd guess that it is a time where Earth is weak enough to be invaded and conquered and yet advanced enough to make a suitable home for the Observers without much hassle. Presumably after this specific period Earth would be too strong to invade.invade.
*** Yeah that makes sense as far as an invasion goes, but they should've been able to convince the past observers to help them in some way.
21st Sep '14 2:47:16 PM Gaon
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* Why did the observers bother coming back to the 21st century and facing resistance when they had 400 or so years that observers existed before wrecking the planet which should be enough time to research terraforming another planet and taking the research back to their future allowing them to eventually make a suitable place for them to live in.

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** Walter and Michael were not only aiming to erase the Observers, they were seeking to create a superior humanity that still had emotions like Michael. So presumably, the future humans would be like Michael: Powerful, intelligent, but still human. And as such, they would not ruin earth nor invade our realm, but would save Peter in the original timeline out of grattitude for their maker [Walter]. The timeline remains, if shifted. Presumably they, Michael-based humanity fixed reality.
* Why did the observers bother coming back to the 21st century and facing resistance when they had 400 or so years that observers existed before wrecking the planet which should be enough time to research terraforming another planet and taking the research back to their future allowing them to eventually make a suitable place for them to live in.in.
** The Commander is vague about it, but according to him that precise moment in time was the optimal time for success, I'd guess that it is a time where Earth is weak enough to be invaded and conquered and yet advanced enough to make a suitable home for the Observers without much hassle. Presumably after this specific period Earth would be too strong to invade.
23rd Aug '14 3:49:56 AM oztrickster
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* I used to really love this show, but the logic concerning the ending completely ruins it for me. Step one: Observers come from the future and invade past Earth. Step two: Observers are NOT erased from existence, and thus it can be inferred that they have created an alternate timeline in which the events of season 5 take place - OR they have some sort of technological solution to prevent erasing their own existence (think the paradox machine from Doctor Who or something). Clearly the creation of the observers in 22XX or whatever does not take place in this new altered timeline, due to, you know, the observers completely wrecking Earth and replacing it with observers in the 21st century. Step three: the main characters travel forwards from 2036, to 22XX, and stop the creation of the observers. The observers are erased from existence (despite the observers' own trashing of the 21st century not erasing them from existence), and everything resets as if they were not created (but the entire events of the show up until they invaded still happened, because September declares he is from "a possible future", but for some reason this does not apply to all of season 5.). For SOME reason, this requires that Walter Bishop is removed from precisely the year 2014 (or whenever they originally invaded) in order to not create a paradox. It's like season 5 needs to be erased from the show's continuity in order for the whole show to have any chance of making sense.

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* I used to really love this show, but the logic concerning the ending completely ruins it for me. Step one: Observers come from the future and invade past Earth. Step two: Observers are NOT erased from existence, and thus it can be inferred that they have created an alternate timeline in which the events of season 5 take place - OR they have some sort of technological solution to prevent erasing their own existence (think the paradox machine from Doctor Who or something). Clearly the creation of the observers in 22XX or whatever does not take place in this new altered timeline, due to, you know, the observers completely wrecking Earth and replacing it with observers in the 21st century. Step three: the main characters travel forwards from 2036, to 22XX, and stop the creation of the observers. The observers are erased from existence (despite the observers' own trashing of the 21st century not erasing them from existence), and everything resets as if they were not created (but the entire events of the show up until they invaded still happened, because September declares he is from "a possible future", but for some reason this does not apply to all of season 5.). For SOME reason, this requires that Walter Bishop is removed from precisely the year 2014 (or whenever they originally invaded) in order to not create a paradox. It's like season 5 needs to be erased from the show's continuity in order for the whole show to have any chance of making sense.sense.
* Why did the observers bother coming back to the 21st century and facing resistance when they had 400 or so years that observers existed before wrecking the planet which should be enough time to research terraforming another planet and taking the research back to their future allowing them to eventually make a suitable place for them to live in.
18th Jun '14 11:04:22 PM jlynne1219
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** What Olivia says is "We did something like this before". I guess because the lights were off she figured they were doing it the other way around.
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