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** I'm reasonably certain that the headline was "Rainiest November ever in NYC".
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*** [[spoiler:I think the newspapers were changed by the same aurors that reconstructed the whole city, not as an effect of the rain]].
*At the end of the movie, the newspapers say it's the "rainiest summer ever in NYC", or something like that, as a consequence of [[spoiler: the Thunderbird conjuring the mind-wiping storm]]. That's fine, except... the whole movie until now clearly took place '''during winter'''. Central park has frozen lakes, there are Santa decorations in Macy's... One could argue the end takes place at the start of spring, but summer? How long does that storm last?
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*** Muggleborns are the answer to that. When one appears, in Britain at least, their whole immediate family gets in on the secret, and becomes "part" of the magical world alongside the newfound wizard/witch. We see this a bit with Harry's family, but since they're absolutely negligent towards him, they don't mingle with the wizarding world, but I can imagine, for instance, Hermione's parents going with her to the Diagon Alley for the first few times. Petunia, being Lilly's sister, would equally have a shot at meeting and marrying a wizard at some point, had her not adpoted her strong anti-magic stance.
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** [[spoiler: The first sign Graves gave off as to his real goals was when he offhandedly remarked that the Obscurial with no host was "useless", and Newt definitely picked up on that oddity on the spot. From then on, I imagine he was just going on a hunch that Graves might be someone else in disguise, but not necessarily Grindelwald.}}

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** [[spoiler: The first sign Graves gave off as to his real goals was when he offhandedly remarked that the Obscurial with no host was "useless", and Newt definitely picked up on that oddity on the spot. From then on, I imagine he was just going on a hunch that Graves might be someone else in disguise, but not necessarily Grindelwald.}}]]
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** [[**spoiler: There's also the matter that Graves has the Deathly Hallows symbol sticking out of his pocket during his interrogation of Newt. It's not beyond reason for Newt to have spotted that, and at least come to the conclusion that--as it's unlikely a high-level Auror could have made it this far and been a Grindewald supporter--that this man might just be an imposter.]]

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** [[**spoiler: [[spoiler: There's also the matter that Graves has the Deathly Hallows symbol sticking out of his pocket during his interrogation of Newt. It's not beyond reason for Newt to have spotted that, and at least come to the conclusion that--as it's unlikely a high-level Auror could have made it this far and been a Grindewald supporter--that this man might just be an imposter.]]
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** [[**spoiler: There's also the matter that Graves has the Deathly Hallows symbol sticking out of his pocket during his interrogation of Newt. It's not beyond reason for Newt to have spotted that, and at least come to the conclusion that--as it's unlikely a high-level Auror could have made it this far and been a Grindewald supporter--that this man might just be an imposter.]]
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** [[spoiler: The first sign Graves gave off as to his real goals was when he offhandedly remarked that the Obscurial with no host was "useless", and Newt definitely picked up on that oddity on the spot. From then on, I imagine he was just going on a hunch that Graves might be someone else in disguise, but not necessarily Grindelwald.}}
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** This brings up a rather odd Potterverse-wide plot hole as well: why ''are'' there so many half-bloods, anyway? It's pretty clear that in both Britain and the U.S., the magical community physically and socially segregates itself from Muggles due to TheMasquerade, and severely punishes those who reveal the existence of wizards. Newt treats America's wizard-Muggle segregation as ridiculous, but this really only seems like a common-sense protective measure (especially given the events of the movie) as well as a codification of what already exists. In fact, the only wizard-Muggle coupling we see in the whole franchise is, unfortunately, Tom Riddle Senior and Merope Gaunt. So how exactly do wizards go about interbreeding into the Muggle world that they know so little about and can't really take part in?


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* To keep TheMasquerade going, Newt's Thunderbird essentially mind-wipes everyone caught in the rain that it makes. There's unfortunately a number of problems with how this is done:
** 1. How far back did the memory-wipe go, and is it calibrated? Because some people saw not only Newt's magical creatures, but also the [[spoiler: prior murders and destruction caused by Credence/Obscurus. Is Jon Voight's character going to remember that his son was murdered, or how?]]
** 2. Did every wizard in the area not immediately on the scene or indoors just get their memory wiped too? Oops.
** 3. How did the rain not only change people's memories, but also the very newspapers and photographs taken? Is it that flexible?
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*** [[spoiler: As to the Elder Wand question, we don't have confirmation Grindelwald even has it yet. Could be his first action once he breaks out of jail in New York. Also note, When Harry earned the Wand he disarmed Draco wand to wand, disarming spell IIRC. Newt didn't disarm Grindelwald using his magic or a wand, he used the Swooping Evil to smack him around and bind him. Which was IMHO the only reason why they won, as Grindelwald was well on his way to blowing everybody away, to either kill the President or escape.]]
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* There are several fantastic beasts in the movie - most notably the Thunderbird and the Swooping Evil - that aren't mentioned in the book the film's based on. If, in-universe, that book was written by Newt, how come he forgot to include these species?
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** Also, occlumency exists.
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*** Yes. [[spoiler:When a person is arrested, at the end of that, or at the end of their sentence if convicted, their property is returned to them when they are released. Obviously, ''Graves'' won't, but she didn't know that when she disarmed him. He was just arrested for ranting like a madman and acting like he was about to go out and tell Muggles what was going on, so Tina was fully expecting that he would get his wand back. Maybe after a few years in jail, but eventually. To ''win'' a wand you probably have to intend to deprive someone of that wand ''permanently'' when you take it.]]
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*** [[spoiler: This isn't a plot hole any more than 'If Grindelwald was arrested in America in 1926, how's he wrecking Europe in the 1940s?' is a plot hole. Newt or Tina probably do indeed have the allegiance of the Elder Wand at this point, even if they're never going to put their hands on it. Presumable something is going to happen in a later movie to change that.]]

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** Or, alternately, they punished Newt as much they could under Hogwarts rules, but what he did wasn't technically illegal and wand snapping can only be done by the government, not the school...and then the Ministry, learning of this, promptly made it ''illegal'' to keep dangerous pets while at Hogwarts, so Hagrid gets actual legal penalties in addition to being expelled.
** Or, even more alternately, half-giants are only allowed within Wizarding society by the grace of the Ministry of Magic, so can be kicked out at will.
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*** [[spoiler: You don't need to be using the Elder Wand to lose its allegiance. Draco never even touches the Elder Wand but he loses it to Harry when Harry forcefully rips his wand out of his hands. Lord Voldemort even uses the Elder Wand for the last third of the book despite never having its loyalty. Having the Elder Wand and having its allegiance are two separate things. He does have the Elder Wands stored somewhere for safe keeping or to keep up the ruse of him being Graves (more likely) but Newt definitively defeats him as stated even in the published screenplay. It's the same situation as Draco passing along to Harry. He may not have lost the Elder Wand physically but his defeat ensures it passes to Newt now.]]
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** Of course there are No-Maj-borns in the US. The real question is: how are they and their families dealt by the [=MACUSA=]?
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** "this guy not Graves" but why? Newt has never met the real Graves. He has no basis for saying this is a different person. It would have been more logical to just assume the real Graves has become a Grindelwald sympathiser then that he has been replaced. It's not as if government workers are above that.

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** [[spoiler: "this guy not Graves" but why? Newt has never met the real Graves. He has no basis for saying this is a different person. It would have been more logical to just assume the real Graves has become a Grindelwald sympathiser then that he has been replaced. It's not as if government workers are above that.
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** "this guy not Graves" but why? Newt has never met the real Graves. He has no basis for saying this is a different person. It would have been more logical to just assume the real Graves has become a Grindelwald sympathiser then that he has been replaced. It's not as if government workers are above that.
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*** Additionally [[spoiler:Wand permits that are required in America and make it so that every wizard must first register to be legally eligible to carry a wand, with the punishment of not having one being imprisonment, prosecution or wand confiscation. So Grindelwald showing up with a legendary wand would have obviously tipped off some of the other wizards.]]
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* Newt's suspicions about [[spoiler: Graves in fact start in the interrogation. When Graves asks "So the Obscurus is useless without the host?", Newt is horrfied and asks Graves what on earth he'd even want to use an Obscurus for. Graves them seems to have realised he's slipped up and immediately changes the subject which sparks Newt's suspicions further. When the group meet with Gnarlak, Newt asks Gnarlak about Graves and his background. Gnarlak's expression confirms to Newt there's something there to confirm his suspicions, as the script specifies that Gnarlak's expression indicates "there is much he could say, but he'd rather die than say it". All this plays on Newt's suspicions that Graves might not be who he seems to be. Add in Graves's actions in the climax and it's more than enough for Newt to think "Maybe this guy isn't who he appears to be... what if he's someone else?".

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* Newt's suspicions about [[spoiler: Graves in fact start in the interrogation. When Graves asks "So the Obscurus is useless without the host?", Newt is horrfied and asks Graves what on earth he'd even want to use an Obscurus for. Graves them seems to have realised he's slipped up and immediately changes the subject which sparks Newt's suspicions further. When the group meet with Gnarlak, Newt asks Gnarlak about Graves and his background. Gnarlak's expression confirms to Newt there's something there to confirm his suspicions, as the script specifies that Gnarlak's expression indicates "there is much he could say, but he'd rather die than say it". All this plays on Newt's suspicions that Graves might not be who he seems to be. Add in Graves's actions in the climax and it's more than enough for Newt to think "Maybe this guy isn't who he appears to be... what if he's someone else?". \n]]
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* Newt's suspicions about [[spoiler: Graves in fact start in the interrogation. When Graves asks "So the Obscurus is useless without the host?", Newt is horrfied and asks Graves what on earth he'd even want to use an Obscurus for. Graves them seems to have realised he's slipped up and immediately changes the subject which sparks Newt's suspicions further. When the group meet with Gnarlak, Newt asks Gnarlak about Graves and his background. Gnarlak's expression confirms to Newt there's something there to confirm his suspicions, as the script specifies that Gnarlak's expression indicates "there is much he could say, but he'd rather die than say it". All this plays on Newt's suspicions that Graves might not be who he seems to be. Add in Graves's actions in the climax and it's more than enough for Newt to think "Maybe this guy isn't who he appears to be... what if he's someone else?".
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* Is there no Auror desk sergeant or something? When Tina tries to bring Newt in for releasing magical creatures, she's told to stop bothering them. No one follows up, no one takes custody of Newt, and she's not told where to take him. It's like ignoring that a bank robber was caught because every cop in the city if focused on a serial killer. They wouldn't even know he existed without her.
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** Actually, I was wrong - [[spoiler: Percival Graves was indeed a real person as confirmed by the wiki]] - this instead leaves to the FridgeHorror that [[spoiler: This did not look like a Polyjuice potion... meaning he probably ''did'' pull a KillAndReplace]]. The real question would then be [[spoiler: Wouldn't anyone have noticed something was wrong, especially the local empath?]], but I think that [[spoiler: FridgeBrilliance - Graves kept a distance from her, Grindelwald knew to do so as well, and probably had techinques such as Occlumency to keep himself from being "read" as a fake.]]

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** Actually, I was wrong - [[spoiler: Percival Graves was indeed a real person as confirmed by the wiki]] - this instead leaves to the FridgeHorror that [[spoiler: This did not look like a Polyjuice potion... meaning he probably ''did'' pull a KillAndReplace]]. The real question would then be [[spoiler: Wouldn't anyone have noticed something was wrong, especially the local empath?]], but I think that [[spoiler: FridgeBrilliance - Graves kept a distance from her, Grindelwald knew to do so as well, and probably had techinques techniques such as Occlumency to keep himself from being "read" as a fake.]]




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** Also Queenie said she had difficulty reading British minds. It wouldn't be hard to believe she would also have difficulty with other European minds [[spoiler:and depending on the theory, Grindelwald was either from Germany, Eastern Europe, or Scandinavia]].
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** [[spoiler:Nothing suggests or proves that the wand Grindelwald was using was the Elder Wand. In fact his consistent use of wandless magic up until the climax would imply he knew better than to use a wand which did not owe allegiance to him (Graves' wand), hence why he didn't use it until the end. And if he had been using the Elder Wand, the incredible power it contained would have given away his true nature even faster than the display he made against the Aurors. So the implication is that he had the Elder Wand hidden away somewhere, used wandless magic whenever he could, and only used Graves' wand when forced to at the climax--and it was this wand he was disarmed of, not the Elder Wand. So no conflict with canon.]]
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** [[spoiler:We don't know the exact mechanics of how the Elder Wand changes owners, but this is the first time we've seen it peacefully taken during an arrest rather than taking it during battle, magically disarming, or winning it through killing the other person.]]
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* So there is a law in America that witches and wizards are not allowed to mix with No Mag, not even make friends with them in a normal capacity that doesn't require them to reveal their nature. So does this mean that every single wizard in the US is a Pure Blood and that Muggle Borns just don't exist in the US? Because we see a lot of witches and wizards in the movie and the books (set in the 90's) make it clear that Pure Bloods are actually dying out.
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* So a massive plot hole is on the way with how this film ended. [[spoiler: Grindelwald is of course defeated at the end of the film by Newt, but given the timeline of the series, he is also already in possession of the Elder Wand at this point. His defeat at the hands of Newt means the Elder Wand's loyalty passes to him and thus it can't continue down the normal path of Dumbledore and Draco to Harry. We know the Elder Wand is Harry's in the end as Harry uses it both to defeat Voldemort and repair his wand. It could also very well have passed on to Tina as she magics Grindelwald's wand away in case the Swooping Evil is considered the victorious force from before, but Tina taking his wand would account for the same defeat. Either way, J.K is going to have to be very careful how she handles it moving forward.]]

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* So a massive plot hole is on the way with how this film ended. [[spoiler: Grindelwald is of course defeated at the end of the film by Newt, but given the timeline of the series, he is also already in possession of the Elder Wand at this point. His defeat at the hands of Newt means the Elder Wand's loyalty passes to him and thus it can't continue down the normal path of Dumbledore and Draco to Harry. We know the Elder Wand is Harry's in the end as Harry uses it both to defeat Voldemort and repair his wand. It could also very well have passed on to Tina as she magics Grindelwald's wand away in case the Swooping Evil is considered the victorious force from before, but Tina taking his wand would account for the same defeat. Either way, J.K is going to have to be very careful how she handles it moving forward.]]]]
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*** Graves was [[spoiler: ranting on just before then about how the statute of secrecy was useless and outdated and needed to be dismantled which, as we learned earlier in the movie while he was interrogating Newt, is a viewpoint commonly held by Grindelwald sympathizers. Add that to the fact that he was also clearly attempting to recruit/use Credence — which, as Newt was asking earlier, isn't what you should be doing with an Obscurial when you should be saving them instead — and it probably wasn't hard for him to put together that this guy was not Graves.]]

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*** Graves was [[spoiler: ranting on just before then about how the statute of secrecy was useless and outdated and needed to be dismantled which, as we learned earlier in the movie while he was interrogating Newt, is a viewpoint commonly held by Grindelwald sympathizers. Add that to the fact that he was also clearly attempting to recruit/use Credence — which, as Newt was asking earlier, isn't what you should be doing with an Obscurial when you should be saving them instead — and it probably wasn't hard for him to put together that this guy was not Graves.]]
*So a massive plot hole is on the way with how this film ended. [[spoiler: Grindelwald is of course defeated at the end of the film by Newt, but given the timeline of the series, he is also already in possession of the Elder Wand at this point. His defeat at the hands of Newt means the Elder Wand's loyalty passes to him and thus it can't continue down the normal path of Dumbledore and Draco to Harry. We know the Elder Wand is Harry's in the end as Harry uses it both to defeat Voldemort and repair his wand. It could also very well have passed on to Tina as she magics Grindelwald's wand away in case the Swooping Evil is considered the victorious force from before, but Tina taking his wand would account for the same defeat. Either way, J.K is going to have to be very careful how she handles it moving forward.
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*** Fair. It still seems a little strange of a conclusion to make (Sure, he didn't suspect that [[spoiler: he was really Grindelwald]] until after he was revealed), but it does seem a little broad of a conclusion to take that Graves is [[spoiler: an imposter]] just because he appears to be able to perform such a feat. Unless it was stated that only [[spoiler: Grindelwald and Dumbledore could even think of doing that]] earlier on?

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*** Fair. It still seems a little strange of a conclusion to make (Sure, he didn't suspect that [[spoiler: he was really Grindelwald]] until after he was revealed), but it does seem a little broad of a conclusion to take that Graves is [[spoiler: an imposter]] just because he appears to be able to perform such a feat. Unless it was stated that only [[spoiler: Grindelwald and Dumbledore could even think of doing that]] earlier on?on?
**** Graves was [[spoiler: ranting on just before then about how the statute of secrecy was useless and outdated and needed to be dismantled which, as we learned earlier in the movie while he was interrogating Newt, is a viewpoint commonly held by Grindelwald sympathizers. Add that to the fact that he was also clearly attempting to recruit/use Credence — which, as Newt was asking earlier, isn't what you should be doing with an Obscurial when you should be saving them instead — and it probably wasn't hard for him to put together that this guy was not Graves.]]
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**** Then why is the entire regarding population doing it all day every day to almost everyone who isn't them?

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