History Headscratchers / FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem

19th Jan '17 11:19:34 PM L4D2Ellis19
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** [[spoiler: Well, Voldemort used Nagini to kill Snape, thinking that it would switch the wand's allegiance to him. While Newt and everybody else thought they defeated Grindelwald, did Grindelwald see himself defeated? We do know that he eventually escapes and starts terrorizing the world. If he didn't consider himself permanently defeated/disarmed, the Elder Wand's allegiance may not pass to Newt.]]
7th Jan '17 5:36:30 PM cassie5squared
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***Word of God says Credence is alive and well, so that theory makes no sense.
5th Jan '17 5:58:54 PM Perentie
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** Perhaps a combination of NeverMyFault and BelievingTheirOwnLies. It seems it wasn't just for profit that they sold out other magic users either, it was also to settle personal vendettas. In their minds selling out their own kind may have been justice and the backlash from other wizards an injustice.
4th Jan '17 6:58:34 PM LupineMoon
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* If I understand correctly, Scourers are witches and wizards who sold out their fellows during the Salem Witch Trials for profit and then as a result of the trials, the Wizarding community went into hiding, at which point, the Scourers slipped into the Muggle community and taught their descendants to believe in and hate witches and wizards. Now, it's their own fault they had to go into hiding in the first place, how on earth do so many still believe in witches and wizards and did all their kids turn into Obscurials and/or Squibs and possible Muggle-borns later on?

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* If I understand correctly, Scourers are witches and wizards who sold out their fellows during the Salem Witch Trials for profit and then as a result of the trials, the Wizarding community went into hiding, at which point, the Scourers slipped into the Muggle community and taught their descendants to believe in and hate witches and wizards. Now, it's their own fault they had to go into hiding in the first place, so why do they blame real witches and wizards and how on earth do so many still believe in witches and wizards and did all their kids turn into Obscurials and/or Squibs and possible Muggle-borns later on?
4th Jan '17 6:57:40 PM LupineMoon
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** Because that's not generalizing at all. First off, it's not the school's fault if some of its students grow up to be pureblood supremacists or Death Eaters, and they don't just come from one house - need I remind you of Peter Pettigrew, for example? As Dumbledore says, "It is our choices, not our abilities, that define who we are." Most of the Slytherins we saw during Harry's time at school were just a bunch of schoolyard bullies who were ''descended'' from former Death Eaters (apart from Slughorn), and many of them were able to put their parents' backgrounds aside and fight for the school. It's even been mentioned that by the time Draco is there to send his son to Hogwarts - he's sending his son to a school that he formerly belittled and mocked at every opportunity - he's apparently matured enough to be on civil terms with Harry, and realized the mistakes he made when he was young to the point where he ensured Scorpio wouldn't turn out like him.

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** Because that's not generalizing at all. First off, it's not the school's fault if some of its students grow up to be pureblood supremacists or Death Eaters, and they don't just come from one house - need I remind you of Peter Pettigrew, for example? As Dumbledore says, "It is our choices, not our abilities, that define who we are." Most of the Slytherins we saw during Harry's time at school were just a bunch of schoolyard bullies who were ''descended'' from former Death Eaters (apart from Slughorn), and many of them were able to put their parents' backgrounds aside and fight for the school. It's even been mentioned that by the time Draco is there to send his son to Hogwarts - he's sending his son to a school that he formerly belittled and mocked at every opportunity - he's apparently matured enough to be on civil terms with Harry, and realized the mistakes he made when he was young to the point where he ensured Scorpio Scorpius wouldn't turn out like him.





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* If I understand correctly, Scourers are witches and wizards who sold out their fellows during the Salem Witch Trials for profit and then as a result of the trials, the Wizarding community went into hiding, at which point, the Scourers slipped into the Muggle community and taught their descendants to believe in and hate witches and wizards. Now, it's their own fault they had to go into hiding in the first place, how on earth do so many still believe in witches and wizards and did all their kids turn into Obscurials and/or Squibs and possible Muggle-borns later on?
4th Jan '17 6:34:19 PM LupineMoon
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2nd Jan '17 9:04:34 PM Discar
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*** But Newt *did* Summon the Niffler, so how is it that you can't Summon a living creature?

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*** ** But Newt *did* ''did'' Summon the Niffler, so how is it that you can't Summon a living creature?creature?
** I got the impression that he was summoning the treasures in the pouch, which resulted in the Niffler getting summoned. Did he say "accio niffler," or just "accio"?







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** No, Credence is dead. The Obscurus never left him. If it ''did'' leave him, it probably wouldn't have left him as a Squib, but there are some questions about the mechanics of the Obscurus and magical power that are unclear on that front.
2nd Jan '17 7:55:54 PM LupineMoon
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*** But Newt *did* Summon the Niffler, so how is it that you can't Summon a living creature?
[[folder:Credence and his Obscurus]]
* Does the fact that the Obscurus left Credence at the end of the film mean that Credence now really is a Squib?
29th Dec '16 8:13:15 PM Discar
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[[folder:Accio!]]
* I know you can't actually accio most living things, but why didn't Newt summon the treasures that the Niffler had in it's pouch?
** It could possibly hurt the creature, something Newt would never do. We know that inside the Niffler's pouch, its bigger than what it appears to be. There's no telling what and how much stuff he has in there. To just summon it all out could potentially damage him by the metal scraping against his insides as it flies out or the friction causing damage in general.
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*** That is also a very good explanation. Half-Giants are a persecuted minority is logic (sad but logic) that the government is harsher with them even with the same offense.

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*** ** That is also a very good explanation. Half-Giants are a persecuted minority is logic (sad but logic) that the government is harsher with them even with the same offense.




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*** I suspect that the legal requirement to report applies solely to potential breaches of the Statute of Secrecy where the fault lies with a witch or wizard. Openly casting Side-Along-Apparition, with a No-Maj, who's holding a clearly magical artifact, definitely qualifies. That plus the failure of the wizard to properly Obliviate the No-Maj in question clinches it for her.

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*** ** I suspect that the legal requirement to report applies solely to potential breaches of the Statute of Secrecy where the fault lies with a witch or wizard. Openly casting Side-Along-Apparition, with a No-Maj, who's holding a clearly magical artifact, definitely qualifies. That plus the failure of the wizard to properly Obliviate the No-Maj in question clinches it for her.



*** Major Spoiler ahead: [[spoiler: Graves is Grindlewald. There is zero reason why he would let our protagonists come within shouting distance of his ostensible boss, procedure be damned. As such, Picquery would have been told something along the lines of "unfortunately, he died trying to release an Obscurus from his case as an escape attempt" once he could speak without fear of contradiction. That interrogation was a formality to decide what excuse Grindlewald could use to get rid of a catastrophic nuisance. Also the executioner lackeys were probably Imperiused (No reason to risk the lackeys refusing to cooperate otherwise).]]

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*** ** Major Spoiler ahead: [[spoiler: Graves is Grindlewald. There is zero reason why he would let our protagonists come within shouting distance of his ostensible boss, procedure be damned. As such, Picquery would have been told something along the lines of "unfortunately, he died trying to release an Obscurus from his case as an escape attempt" once he could speak without fear of contradiction. That interrogation was a formality to decide what excuse Grindlewald could use to get rid of a catastrophic nuisance. Also the executioner lackeys were probably Imperiused (No reason to risk the lackeys refusing to cooperate otherwise).]]



*** Then why bother including the Puffskein and Kneazel, which are common wizarding pets around the world?

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*** ** Then why bother including the Puffskein and Kneazel, which are common wizarding pets around the world?



*** Maybe the water supply works differently in the Harry Potter universe (more likely though, they just didn't do the research). In any case, it's also possible that along with repairing all the damaged buildings, the wizards might have simply manually Obliviated anyone who the potion somehow missed, which would still be a lot easier than doing it to the whole city would have been.
*** Also keep in mind that is magical water, so magically entering to the water supply is not a stretch.
*** They also showed a water tower atop a building being reconstructed by the Aurors. This could have been a tacit nod to how the Obliviating water could get into peoples' apartments: it seeped into the elevated tanks used to generate water pressure in tall buildings.

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*** ** Maybe the water supply works differently in the Harry Potter universe (more likely though, they just didn't do the research). In any case, it's also possible that along with repairing all the damaged buildings, the wizards might have simply manually Obliviated anyone who the potion somehow missed, which would still be a lot easier than doing it to the whole city would have been.
*** ** Also keep in mind that is magical water, so magically entering to the water supply is not a stretch.
*** ** They also showed a water tower atop a building being reconstructed by the Aurors. This could have been a tacit nod to how the Obliviating water could get into peoples' apartments: it seeped into the elevated tanks used to generate water pressure in tall buildings.



*** For the same reason Queenie keeps trying to magic the door open, but Jacob just kicks it down?
*** There’s no indication the creatures can open it every time they want, on the contrary, the span of time between attempts indicates the opposite, that it takes them some effort to do so.

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*** ** For the same reason Queenie keeps trying to magic the door open, but Jacob just kicks it down?
*** ** There’s no indication the creatures can open it every time they want, on the contrary, the span of time between attempts indicates the opposite, that it takes them some effort to do so.



*** I would like to point out that, canonically, any murder splits a person's soul. It's the act itself that causes the split, not the spell used.

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*** ** I would like to point out that, canonically, any murder splits a person's soul. It's the act itself that causes the split, not the spell used.



*** An interesting idea, but it seems fairly clear from the book's explanations that there's a difference, magically speaking, between simple homicide (which may be self-defense, involuntary manslaughter, etc.) and ''murder''--especially when Snape asks about the state of his soul, and Dumbledore replies that it's really up to Snape to determine whether {{Mercy Kill}}ing Dumbledore to spare him pain is enough to imperil Snape's soul. An executioner killing criminals because it's his job isn't murdering in his own mind no matter the method, no more than Harry Stunning Death Eaters off their brooms in self-defense is at the beginning of ''Deathly Hallows''. In my opinion, Graves/Grindelwald would have split his soul (again) by killing Newt and Tina, even though he uses the pool, because it is murder.

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*** ** An interesting idea, but it seems fairly clear from the book's explanations that there's a difference, magically speaking, between simple homicide (which may be self-defense, involuntary manslaughter, etc.) and ''murder''--especially when Snape asks about the state of his soul, and Dumbledore replies that it's really up to Snape to determine whether {{Mercy Kill}}ing Dumbledore to spare him pain is enough to imperil Snape's soul. An executioner killing criminals because it's his job isn't murdering in his own mind no matter the method, no more than Harry Stunning Death Eaters off their brooms in self-defense is at the beginning of ''Deathly Hallows''. In my opinion, Graves/Grindelwald would have split his soul (again) by killing Newt and Tina, even though he uses the pool, because it is murder.


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* I know you can't actually accio most living things, but why didn't Newt summon the treasures that the Niffler had in its pouch?
** It could possibly hurt the creature, something Newt would never do. We know that inside the Niffler's pouch, its bigger than what it appears to be. There's no telling what and how much stuff he has in there. To just summon it all out could potentially damage him by the metal scraping against his insides as it flies out or the friction causing damage in general.
29th Dec '16 8:10:12 PM Landis
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** Suffice it to say that by the end of the film, Newt and Tina have enough evidence of MACUSA's mismanagement to get Picquery, specifically, fired. She's damn lucky that all they want from her is that Tina gets her old job back.
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