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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you. Nevermind the fact that we inhabit this world with dog and cat people. Hell, the king himself is a ''freaking dog''!
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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you. Nevermind the fact that we inhabit this world with dog and cat people. Hell, the king himself is a ''freaking dog''!dog''!
*** And thus ''GT'' is somehow miraculously transitioned into ''DragonBallOnline''.
*** And thus ''GT'' is somehow miraculously transitioned into ''DragonBallOnline''.
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--> Yamcha: Actually, the dragon has been summoned more than twice by now. I'd wager a few dozen times at least, so...yeah, they should know about the dragonballs.
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--> Yamcha: Actually, the dragon has been summoned more than twice by now. I'd wager a few dozen times at least, so...yeah, they should know there's no excuse to not knowing about the dragonballs.
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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you. Nevermind the fact that we inhabit this world with dog and cat people. Hell, the king himself's a ''freaking dog''!
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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you. Nevermind the fact that we inhabit this world with dog and cat people. Hell, the king himself's himself is a ''freaking dog''!
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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you. Nevermind the fact that we inhabit this world with people who are ''dogs and cats''.
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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you. Nevermind the fact that we inhabit this world with people who are ''dogs dog and cats''.cat people. Hell, the king himself's a ''freaking dog''!
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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you.
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--> Krillin: Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you. Nevermind the fact that we inhabit this world with people who are ''dogs and cats''.
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--> Krillin: Yeah, seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you.
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--> Krillin: Yeah, seriously.Seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you.
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--> Yamcha: Actually, the dragon has been summoned more than twice by now. I'd wager a few dozen times at least, so...yeah, they should know about the dragonballs.
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-->Vegeta: *Super Saiyan* will you people PLEASE stop doubting anything involving Kakarot's family and friends? I mean, the world has blown up about 8 times in my lifetime, hell, I almost did it once myself about 20 years ago! Kakarrot has a monkey tail and can do this little transformation deal, too, actually being able to go about 5 levels of upgrade HIGHER than me, and you've all actually '''SEEN''' this dragon at least twice! I think we're WELL past the point of "believe anything out of that family's mouths"!!!!!!
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-->Vegeta: *Super Saiyan* will you people PLEASE stop doubting anything involving Kakarot's family and friends? I mean, the world has blown up about 8 times in my lifetime, hell, I almost did it once myself about 20 years ago! Kakarrot has a monkey tail and can do this little transformation deal, too, actually being able to go about 5 levels of upgrade HIGHER than me, and you've all actually '''SEEN''' this dragon at least twice! I think we're WELL past the point of "believe anything out of that family's mouths"!!!!!!mouths"!!!!!!
--> Krillin: Yeah, seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you.
--> Krillin: Yeah, seriously. I mean, do you lot have a poor memory span? You've seen us fight in tournaments, so it should come to no surprise to you that we can fly and shoot ki beams...yet you act like you're having cardiac arrest whenever we so much as walk up to you.
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--> Capsule Corps. News Anchor: A local man named Gohan has been taken in custody for allegedly kidnapping and brainwashing two innocent children into thinking that he's their son, and that they were once fully grown adults who shrunk themselves thanks to a wish they made to...eh...a dragon that came out of seven <fingerquotes>''dragonballs''<fingerquotes>. He's now in an asylum pending review, while the children are in the care of a children psychiatric ward.
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--> Capsule Corps. News Anchor: A local man named Gohan has been taken in custody for allegedly kidnapping and brainwashing two innocent children into thinking that he's their son, and that they were once fully grown adults who shrunk themselves thanks to a wish they made to...eh...a dragon that came out of seven <fingerquotes>''dragonballs''<fingerquotes>. He's now in an asylum pending review, while the children are in the care of a children psychiatric ward.ward.
****and then later he could just
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-->Vegeta: *Super Saiyan* will you people PLEASE stop doubting anything involving Kakarot's family and friends? I mean, the world has blown up about 8 times in my lifetime, hell, I almost did it once myself about 20 years ago! Kakarrot has a monkey tail and can do this little transformation deal, too, actually being able to go about 5 levels of upgrade HIGHER than me, and you've all actually '''SEEN''' this dragon at least twice! I think we're WELL past the point of "believe anything out of that family's mouths"!!!!!!
****and then later he could just
-->Gohan: *transforms into Super Saiyan 2 and bitchslaps the wall to pieces*
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-->Vegeta: *Super Saiyan* will you people PLEASE stop doubting anything involving Kakarot's family and friends? I mean, the world has blown up about 8 times in my lifetime, hell, I almost did it once myself about 20 years ago! Kakarrot has a monkey tail and can do this little transformation deal, too, actually being able to go about 5 levels of upgrade HIGHER than me, and you've all actually '''SEEN''' this dragon at least twice! I think we're WELL past the point of "believe anything out of that family's mouths"!!!!!!
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--> Capsule Corps. News Anchor: A local man named Gohan has been taken in custody for allegedly kidnapping and brainwashing two innocent children into thinking that he's their son, and that they were once fully grown adults who shrunk themselves thanks to a wish they made to...eh...a dragon that came out of seven...<fingerquotes>''dragonballs''<fingerquotes>. He's now in an asylum pending review, while the children are in the care of a children psychiatric ward where they'll eventually find a better home for them.
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--> Capsule Corps. News Anchor: A local man named Gohan has been taken in custody for allegedly kidnapping and brainwashing two innocent children into thinking that he's their son, and that they were once fully grown adults who shrunk themselves thanks to a wish they made to...eh...a dragon that came out of seven...seven <fingerquotes>''dragonballs''<fingerquotes>. He's now in an asylum pending review, while the children are in the care of a children psychiatric ward where they'll eventually find a better home for them.ward.
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*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't. If someone told me that I could turn back into a ten year old, with all the same memories and experiences I've had up to that point, I'd say no. I've experienced all the trials and tribulations that comes with growing up, so why would I subject myself to that again? Also, think of Gohan and Goten. Can you imagine how they'd have to explain it to their superiors? To...''anyone''?
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*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't. If someone told me that I could turn back into a ten year old, with all the same memories and experiences I've had up to that point, I'd say no. I've experienced all the trials and tribulations that comes with growing up, so why would I subject myself to that again? Also, think of Gohan and Goten. Can you imagine how they'd have to explain it to their superiors? To...''anyone''?
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--> Gohan: Yeah, I know it's weird, but these two kids who are clearly young enough to be my son and daughter are really my mom and dad. N-no, I don't have legal papers on them, nor am I their legal guardians because ''I'm their son''! H-hey! Why are you reaching for that phone? I-I'm telling you the truth, these two kids are actually my parents!
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--> Gohan: Yeah, I know it's weird, but these two kids who are clearly young enough to be my son and daughter are really my mom and dad. N-no, I don't have legal papers on them, nor am I their legal guardians because ''I'm their son''! H-hey! Why are you reaching for that phone? I-I'm telling you the truth, these two kids are actually my parents!parents! C'mon, they'll vouch for me!
--> *Hours later*
--> Capsule Corps. News Anchor: A local man named Gohan has been taken in custody for allegedly kidnapping and brainwashing two innocent children into thinking that he's their son, and that they were once fully grown adults who shrunk themselves thanks to a wish they made to...eh...a dragon that came out of seven...<fingerquotes>''dragonballs''<fingerquotes>. He's now in an asylum pending review, while the children are in the care of a children psychiatric ward where they'll eventually find a better home for them.
--> *Hours later*
--> Capsule Corps. News Anchor: A local man named Gohan has been taken in custody for allegedly kidnapping and brainwashing two innocent children into thinking that he's their son, and that they were once fully grown adults who shrunk themselves thanks to a wish they made to...eh...a dragon that came out of seven...<fingerquotes>''dragonballs''<fingerquotes>. He's now in an asylum pending review, while the children are in the care of a children psychiatric ward where they'll eventually find a better home for them.
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*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't. If someone told me that I could turn back into a ten year old, with all the same memories and experiences I've had up to that point, I'd say no. I've experienced all the trials and tribulations that comes with growing up, so why would I subject myself to that again?
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*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't. If someone told me that I could turn back into a ten year old, with all the same memories and experiences I've had up to that point, I'd say no. I've experienced all the trials and tribulations that comes with growing up, so why would I subject myself to that again?again? Also, think of Gohan and Goten. Can you imagine how they'd have to explain it to their superiors? To...''anyone''?
--> Gohan: Yeah, I know it's weird, but these two kids who are clearly young enough to be my son and daughter are really my mom and dad. N-no, I don't have legal papers on them, nor am I their legal guardians because ''I'm their son''! H-hey! Why are you reaching for that phone? I-I'm telling you the truth, these two kids are actually my parents!
--> Gohan: Yeah, I know it's weird, but these two kids who are clearly young enough to be my son and daughter are really my mom and dad. N-no, I don't have legal papers on them, nor am I their legal guardians because ''I'm their son''! H-hey! Why are you reaching for that phone? I-I'm telling you the truth, these two kids are actually my parents!
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*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't.
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*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't. If someone told me that I could turn back into a ten year old, with all the same memories and experiences I've had up to that point, I'd say no. I've experienced all the trials and tribulations that comes with growing up, so why would I subject myself to that again?
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** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted being the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that could restore her youth.]]
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** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted being the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that could restore her youth.]]]]
*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't.
*** Well, Chi-Chi's been established as a woman who wanted a regular family, that likely includes husband she could grow old, and eventually die of old age with. The fact that he's gone and gotten himself turned into a kid again is frankly, and rightfully so, very stupid; and the idea that she has to cater to his whims, including using the Dragonballs to turn herself into a child again is, again rightfully so, very selfish. Goku may have been fine with the prospect of having to relive his childhood and adult years (with the retained memories of his first time growing up), but she wasn't.
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*** Killing Dende would have killed the '''Original''' Shenron effortlessly but it is pretty ridiculous to imagine that the Shadow Dragons weren't completely self-sustaining entities; realistically the last point you could have executed that plan was when the final crack appeared on the final Dragonball. Incidentally, if it ''was'' a viable tactic you wouldn't have needed to kill Dende at all but rather destroy the Shenron Toy that is kept upon the Lookout.
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** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted being the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that can restore her youth.]]
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** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted being the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that can could restore her youth.]]
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** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that can restore her youth.]]
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** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted being the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that can restore her youth.]]
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* While Gohan's advice to Goku to 'just grow up like any other child' is sound, what's to stop them from collecting the regular Dragonballs to wish Goku back to adulthood again?
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* While Gohan's advice to Goku to 'just grow up like any other child' is sound, what's to stop them from collecting the regular Dragonballs to wish Goku back to adulthood again?again?
** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that can restore her youth.]]
** ''Or'' if a wish from the Black Star Dragonballs overrides the Red Star Dragonballs somehow, what was stopping Chi Chi from wishing herself younger? after all they did first meet as small children (and indeed proposed to each other which Chi Chi took ''very'' seriously well into her teens) and it's not as if Chi Chi still has any dependants to care for. Even if you argue that Chi Chi would be Squicked by the thought of being a little girl once again, why she didn't revert to her teens when Goku hit 16 for example is anyone's guess. As things stand Goku apparently accepted the carer of an old lady (unless he ran off again of course) and Chi Chi apparently just accepted her death by old age despite having the potential access to seven magic balls [[IdiotBall that can restore her youth.]]
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** I always thought that Goku's [=SSJ4=] form was so strong, it could resist the Dragon Ball's powers.
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** I always thought that Goku's [=SSJ4=] form was so strong, it could resist the Dragon Ball's powers.powers.
* While Gohan's advice to Goku to 'just grow up like any other child' is sound, what's to stop them from collecting the regular Dragonballs to wish Goku back to adulthood again?
* While Gohan's advice to Goku to 'just grow up like any other child' is sound, what's to stop them from collecting the regular Dragonballs to wish Goku back to adulthood again?
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** Oh good idea. Ask a bunch of {{BloodKnight}}s who are also very sensitive about their friends and loved ones being hurt, to kill one of their friends so they can avoid fighting some really powerful opponents, and pray to God you won't get a boot to the head as an answer.
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** Oh good idea. Ask a bunch of {{BloodKnight}}s {{Blood Knight}}s who are also very sensitive about their friends and loved ones being hurt, to kill one of their friends so they can avoid fighting some really powerful opponents, and pray to God you won't get a boot to the head as an answer.
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** Oh good idea. Ask a bunch of {{BloodKnight}}s who are also very sensitive about their friends and loved ones being hurt, to kill one of their friends so they can avoid fighting some really powerful opponents, and pray to God you won't get a boot to the head as an answer.
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**** [=SSJ=] Gotenks was roughly even/superior to SS3 Goku. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, and SS3 Gotenks dominated him. SS3 Goku is nowhere near SS3 Gotenks. Base Vegetto beating Super Buu w/Gohan is filler, in the manga he turns Super Saiyan immediately.
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**** [=SSJ=] Gotenks was roughly even/superior to SS3 [=SS3=] Goku. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, and SS3 [=SS3=] Gotenks dominated him. SS3 [=SS3=] Goku is nowhere near SS3 [=SS3=] Gotenks. Base Vegetto beating Super Buu w/Gohan is filler, in the manga he turns Super Saiyan immediately.
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** The third one, methinks. He always was the more intellectual one in that family. Besides, he's married to Videl now, right? Anyway, GT wasn't written by Toriyama, so we can probably just say that they DidNotDoTheResearch and drop this one in CanonDiscontinuity. They seemed more interested in turning Goku into a kid and inventing SSJ4 then expanding on Gohan's abilities.
*** Or remembering that he couldn't turn Super Saiyan. (The old Kai told him to try and do 'that super-saiyain thing'. He turned Mystic, with a different hair style to normal, that of his SSj2 form, but not blonde.)
*** Or remembering that he couldn't turn Super Saiyan. (The old Kai told him to try and do 'that super-saiyain thing'. He turned Mystic, with a different hair style to normal, that of his SSj2 form, but not blonde.)
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** The third one, methinks. He always was the more intellectual one in that family. Besides, he's married to Videl now, right? Anyway, GT wasn't written by Toriyama, so we can probably just say that they DidNotDoTheResearch and drop this one in CanonDiscontinuity. They seemed more interested in turning Goku into a kid and inventing SSJ4 [=SSJ4=] then expanding on Gohan's abilities.
*** Or remembering that he couldn't turn Super Saiyan. (The old Kai told him to try and do 'that super-saiyain thing'. He turned Mystic, with a different hair style to normal, that of hisSSj2 [=SSJ2=] form, but not blonde.)
*** Or remembering that he couldn't turn Super Saiyan. (The old Kai told him to try and do 'that super-saiyain thing'. He turned Mystic, with a different hair style to normal, that of his
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*** Wait... Wouldn't SSJ3 Goku be just as strong as, if not stronger than, SSJ3 Gotenks? Not just that, but Vegito was far outclassing Super Buu after it absorbed Gohan (who recently had his full potential unlocked), even before turning into a Super Saiyan. Plus, even without the Potara, Goku and Vegeta could still fuse into Gogeta via Fusion Dance, if Goku could convince Vegeta to...
**** SSJ Gotenks was roughly even/superior to SS3 Goku. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, and SS3 Gotenks dominated him. SS3 Goku is nowhere near SS3 Gotenks. Base Vegetto beating Super Buu w/Gohan is filler, in the manga he turns Super Saiyan immediately.
**** SSJ Gotenks was roughly even/superior to SS3 Goku. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, and SS3 Gotenks dominated him. SS3 Goku is nowhere near SS3 Gotenks. Base Vegetto beating Super Buu w/Gohan is filler, in the manga he turns Super Saiyan immediately.
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*** Wait... Wouldn't SSJ3 [=SSJ3=] Goku be just as strong as, if not stronger than, SSJ3 [=SSJ3=] Gotenks? Not just that, but Vegito was far outclassing Super Buu after it absorbed Gohan (who recently had his full potential unlocked), even before turning into a Super Saiyan. Plus, even without the Potara, Goku and Vegeta could still fuse into Gogeta via Fusion Dance, if Goku could convince Vegeta to...
****SSJ [=SSJ=] Gotenks was roughly even/superior to SS3 Goku. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, and SS3 Gotenks dominated him. SS3 Goku is nowhere near SS3 Gotenks. Base Vegetto beating Super Buu w/Gohan is filler, in the manga he turns Super Saiyan immediately.
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**** Not really. Shenron can't affect anyone who's stronger than its creator, but was it ever stated that the Black Star Shenron had the same limitation? It could be that, as an unofficial (non-Kami/Guru/Planetary Sponsor) dragon with ''huge'' drawbacks, it could affect anyone who wasn't stronger than ''itself''. That's starting to get close to FanWank, however, and is completely invalid if it was stated to have the same limitation and completely moot if it was a different reason.
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**** Not really. Shenron can't affect anyone who's stronger than its creator, but was it ever stated that the Black Star Shenron had the same limitation? It could be that, as an unofficial (non-Kami/Guru/Planetary Sponsor) dragon with ''huge'' drawbacks, it could affect anyone who wasn't stronger than ''itself''. That's starting to get close to FanWank, however, and is completely invalid if it was stated to have the same limitation and completely moot if it was a different reason.reason.
** I always thought that Goku's SSJ4 form was so strong, it could resist the Dragon Ball's powers.
** I always thought that Goku's SSJ4 form was so strong, it could resist the Dragon Ball's powers.
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**** I agree with the previous poster - Gohan and Gotenks ''were'' the strongest fighters at the end of Z. There is absolutely no evidence outside of the movies that Vegeta knew and/or could perform the fusion dance reliably before GT which takes Gogeta out of the equation, the Potara earrings were destroyed meaning that Vegetto was for all intents and purposes dead and Gohan, already as powerful as Super Buu, still had both his Full Power and Super Saiyan 2 transformations in reserve. Fact is, Goku got ''lucky'' against Kid Buu. If it wasn't for the Spirit Bomb and his health boost from Porunga Goku would have been annihilated.
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* In Yamcha's first appearance he said he wanted to get married more then anything and Future Trunks briefly mentions that Yamcha finds a new love in that timeline. With these things in mind why is Yamcha now living alone with Puar back in Diablo desert?
* How the hell did Dr. Gero and Dr. Myu manage to make a perfect copy of 17? In hell?!?
* How the hell did Dr. Gero and Dr. Myu manage to make a perfect copy of 17? In hell?!?
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* In Yamcha's first appearance he Yamcha has said several times he wanted to get married more then anything else, got giddy at the thought of starting a family as late as the Android saga, and Future Trunks briefly mentions that Yamcha finds a new love in that his timeline. With these things in mind why is Yamcha now consistently shown to be single, even shown to be living alone in Diablo Desert with Puar back in Diablo desert?
DragonballGT? Are we to believe that Yamcha just gave up on his lifelong dream in addition to already giving up on Martial arts?
** [[CanonDiscontinuity The canonicity of DBGT is debatable]] ([[YourMileageMayVary at best]]). At the end of the Cell Saga Yamcha mentions a girlfriend, so he was not single. Maybe he was unlucky and they broke up during the timeskip (since she's never seen nor mentioned again).
* How the hell did Dr. Gero and Dr. Myu manage to make a perfect copy of 17? Inhell?!?hell?!?
* Why didn't everyone use the Blutz Wave Generator, shouldn't Bulma have given everyone a chance after seeing what it did to Vegeta? I don't get why she'd use it on Shenron when she could've covertly enhanced everyone with steroid waves.
* Just what happened to Gohan's Mystic power-up when GT rolled around? Did he lose it when he got pulled out of Buu? It just faded away? He was just damn uninterested in fighting anymore when he grew up?
** The third one, methinks. He always was the more intellectual one in that family. Besides, he's married to Videl now, right? Anyway, GT wasn't written by Toriyama, so we can probably just say that they DidNotDoTheResearch and drop this one in CanonDiscontinuity. They seemed more interested in turning Goku into a kid and inventing SSJ4 then expanding on Gohan's abilities.
*** Or remembering that he couldn't turn Super Saiyan. (The old Kai told him to try and do 'that super-saiyain thing'. He turned Mystic, with a different hair style to normal, that of his SSj2 form, but not blonde.)
**** The unfortunate real world answer is that its both a plot hole and a willing part of the script writers to make Goku the ''hero'' of GT. However, to attempt to explain this in-universe it relies on working out what exactly the ''Mystic Form'' actually is. If its a power up similar to when Guru unlocked his Hidden Potential, then there is a simple answer because it happens to be rooted in previous canon. During Dragon Ball Z its noted that his Super Saiyan 2 form had considerably weakened because he was no longer training; its not that he lost the ''Mystic Form,'' he was always using it throughout GT - its just weakened to the point where Goku and Vegeta have surpassed him. If on the other hand its a Transformation similar to Super Saiyan or the Kaioken then it once again comes back to Gohan's lack of training. Like his weakened Super Saiyan 2 form, it may now be impossible for him to transform given the massive energies required - it does after all surpass Super Saiyan 3.
** There's also the WMG (which, when you think about it, makes sense) that Pan accidentally took it. She's easily at the power level of Goku when he fought Androids 19 and 20 (proven by her easily beating Android 20). No matter how much training she did, and how many times she almost died, there's nothing that could have logically elevated her to that level. Mind you, that's a power level stronger than Freeza. From a 10 to 12 (about 2 years had passed by that point, so if she was 10 at the start, she would be 12 by then) year old girl.
* Some of the GT endings (example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INND4rkd8Qw) include a sequence in which most of the good guys walk or fly past the screen. Quick question, what the hell is BABY doing there?! He's just evil, he doesn't redeem himself, he has no reason to be there. I don't get it.
** That specific scene seems to be a homage of the illustration in the old DB volumes. They included both heroes and villains together. Speaking of GT endings, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByYHoRkrn10 the second one]] is about couples: Goku and Chichi, Vegeta and Bulma, Gohan and Videl, Krillin and Number 18 and... [[HoYay Goten and Trunks?]] Are they appealing to the fangirls there or what?
*** No, they were showing scenes of character pairs doing everyday stuff. The only other characters who would fit with Goten or Trunks would be Pan or Goten's ShallowFemaleLoveInterest, they were better just with each other.+
*** That's the most likely truth. Still, it's funny they're the only pair who isn't a couple.
*** They're a couple in the same way Scrubs' John Dorian and Christopher Turk are.
**** Indeed, it's just guy love... between two guys.
* Another GT problem. How could the Black Star balls have been made before Kami separated from Piccolo? Kami separated from Piccolo so that he could become the resident god. Don't you need to be the resident Kami to make the Dragon Balls in the first place? When could he have possibly made the black star balls?
** IIRC, the Black Star balls were Kami's Dragon Balls, beta version, with one giant drawback. Of course, how one could figure out that drawback without a planet or three going "Boom"... [[BellisariosMaxim let's just not examine this too closely.]]
** If ''I'' remember correctly, Pilaf said they were made before the split. Besides, if they were solo Kami's, then the balls would be inert, since by that time, Kami has long since fused with Piccolo.
** Also, Pilaf's an idiot.
*** You don't need to be Kami to make the balls, you just need to be from the Dragon Clan. Guru wasn't Kami of anything, if you recall. That explains why the Black Star balls were active after Kami had fused with Piccolo, because that was his original state when he created the balls
**** The Black Star balls were made by the Nameless Namek; they became inert when he split into Kami and King Piccolo. Remember Piccolo Jr ceased to exist after the Cell saga from a biological point of view - as far as the balls are concerned he is the original creator. ''It's clearly said in the episode they appear''. Incidentally it actually makes perfect sense from a real world perspective; the Nameless Namek was as strong as Android 17 AKA a thousand times stronger than Guru or Kami. Makes sense his Dragon Balls would be stronger in every single way.
** The Black Star Balls are too nonsensical to think about them. For instance, how come they were never detected after the Nameless Namek was reborn in the middle of Cell Saga? The original Dragon Balls have been collected at least thrice after that (after Cell's death, after Majin Vegeta's killing spree, and at the end of the Buu saga) and they never found out about the Black Balls via the radar. Also, how could Red Shenlong affect Goku's body (and power) since he's clearly far stronger than the creator? Those are pretty big {{Plot Holes}}.
* How is it that Android 18, after lecturing Super 17 on his "cowardice" for allowing mad doctors to decide his actions, witnessing his clear look of turmoil over it, and seeing him finally snap and kill Dr. Myu after the latter runs his mouth, never actually thinks about trying to convince her brother to stand down? We could've seen a HeelFaceTurn which would produce a very valuable ally that could've come in handy for the final arc so that Goku didn't have to do 90% of everything. (Wait, maybe I just answered my own question…)
** That you did. Dragon Ball GT was designed to make Goku the hero and everyone else seem like losers. At the end of Z Gohan and Gotenks were the strongest fighters in existence. Come GT and instead of expanding their characters, the writers pull Super Saiyan 4 out of their ass which just happens to make everything and everyone before it look redundant. Even after other Super Saiyan 4's appeared he was ''still'' responsible for the killing blow against the most powerful enemy in history. And what was the final shot of the series? Goku the only Z Fighter alive. Basically the writers sought out anyone or anything as strong as Goku and ground it under their heels.
*** Wait... Wouldn't SSJ3 Goku be just as strong as, if not stronger than, SSJ3 Gotenks? Not just that, but Vegito was far outclassing Super Buu after it absorbed Gohan (who recently had his full potential unlocked), even before turning into a Super Saiyan. Plus, even without the Potara, Goku and Vegeta could still fuse into Gogeta via Fusion Dance, if Goku could convince Vegeta to...
**** SSJ Gotenks was roughly even/superior to SS3 Goku. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, and SS3 Gotenks dominated him. SS3 Goku is nowhere near SS3 Gotenks. Base Vegetto beating Super Buu w/Gohan is filler, in the manga he turns Super Saiyan immediately.
* Thinking about it now, why couldn't they use Earth's normal Dragon Balls to wish back the Black Star Dragon Balls? It would've made a lot more sense to try to attempt to find the regular balls scattered across the planet before time ran out than it would've to build a ship and travel in space to who knows where to find the other set. Even if they couldn't wish the balls back, they could've at least asked for some form of advanced teleportation that'd let them easily arrive at the places with the balls, especially since Bulma somehow designed a radar that was able to detect the balls throughout space. Granted, we all know what happened the first time they actually tried to use the things in the entire series (if I'm not mistaken; Didn't they use new Namek's Dragon Balls to wish Earth back after Baby Vegeta used the Black Star Dragon Balls again? Soon after Baby was defeated, they had to evacuate Earth and I doubt they took the regular Dragon Balls with them), but the main characters couldn't have possibly known that at the time.
** Also, in regards to the Black Star Dragon Balls being used again, why didn't the time needed to gather them again reset?
*** At least in the dub, it did. The Baby thing lasted far longer than it seemed.
* Why did Goku age back to adulthood when in [=SSJ4=] form? Was it just {{Rule of Cool}}, or did it have an in-universe justification?
** If I recall correctly, it was because his Super Saiyan 4 form was stronger than the Red Shenron. That may just have been {{Fanon}}, though.
*** Which is itself a pretty bland {{Handwave}}. There's no way for the Nameless Namek to be stronger than Goku [=SSJ3=], or else Piccolo should have been able to fight with Fat Buu. I guess it's another {{Plot Hole}} for DragonballGT.
**** Not really. Shenron can't affect anyone who's stronger than its creator, but was it ever stated that the Black Star Shenron had the same limitation? It could be that, as an unofficial (non-Kami/Guru/Planetary Sponsor) dragon with ''huge'' drawbacks, it could affect anyone who wasn't stronger than ''itself''. That's starting to get close to FanWank, however, and is completely invalid if it was stated to have the same limitation and completely moot if it was a different reason.
** [[CanonDiscontinuity The canonicity of DBGT is debatable]] ([[YourMileageMayVary at best]]). At the end of the Cell Saga Yamcha mentions a girlfriend, so he was not single. Maybe he was unlucky and they broke up during the timeskip (since she's never seen nor mentioned again).
* How the hell did Dr. Gero and Dr. Myu manage to make a perfect copy of 17? In
* Why didn't everyone use the Blutz Wave Generator, shouldn't Bulma have given everyone a chance after seeing what it did to Vegeta? I don't get why she'd use it on Shenron when she could've covertly enhanced everyone with steroid waves.
* Just what happened to Gohan's Mystic power-up when GT rolled around? Did he lose it when he got pulled out of Buu? It just faded away? He was just damn uninterested in fighting anymore when he grew up?
** The third one, methinks. He always was the more intellectual one in that family. Besides, he's married to Videl now, right? Anyway, GT wasn't written by Toriyama, so we can probably just say that they DidNotDoTheResearch and drop this one in CanonDiscontinuity. They seemed more interested in turning Goku into a kid and inventing SSJ4 then expanding on Gohan's abilities.
*** Or remembering that he couldn't turn Super Saiyan. (The old Kai told him to try and do 'that super-saiyain thing'. He turned Mystic, with a different hair style to normal, that of his SSj2 form, but not blonde.)
**** The unfortunate real world answer is that its both a plot hole and a willing part of the script writers to make Goku the ''hero'' of GT. However, to attempt to explain this in-universe it relies on working out what exactly the ''Mystic Form'' actually is. If its a power up similar to when Guru unlocked his Hidden Potential, then there is a simple answer because it happens to be rooted in previous canon. During Dragon Ball Z its noted that his Super Saiyan 2 form had considerably weakened because he was no longer training; its not that he lost the ''Mystic Form,'' he was always using it throughout GT - its just weakened to the point where Goku and Vegeta have surpassed him. If on the other hand its a Transformation similar to Super Saiyan or the Kaioken then it once again comes back to Gohan's lack of training. Like his weakened Super Saiyan 2 form, it may now be impossible for him to transform given the massive energies required - it does after all surpass Super Saiyan 3.
** There's also the WMG (which, when you think about it, makes sense) that Pan accidentally took it. She's easily at the power level of Goku when he fought Androids 19 and 20 (proven by her easily beating Android 20). No matter how much training she did, and how many times she almost died, there's nothing that could have logically elevated her to that level. Mind you, that's a power level stronger than Freeza. From a 10 to 12 (about 2 years had passed by that point, so if she was 10 at the start, she would be 12 by then) year old girl.
* Some of the GT endings (example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INND4rkd8Qw) include a sequence in which most of the good guys walk or fly past the screen. Quick question, what the hell is BABY doing there?! He's just evil, he doesn't redeem himself, he has no reason to be there. I don't get it.
** That specific scene seems to be a homage of the illustration in the old DB volumes. They included both heroes and villains together. Speaking of GT endings, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByYHoRkrn10 the second one]] is about couples: Goku and Chichi, Vegeta and Bulma, Gohan and Videl, Krillin and Number 18 and... [[HoYay Goten and Trunks?]] Are they appealing to the fangirls there or what?
*** No, they were showing scenes of character pairs doing everyday stuff. The only other characters who would fit with Goten or Trunks would be Pan or Goten's ShallowFemaleLoveInterest, they were better just with each other.+
*** That's the most likely truth. Still, it's funny they're the only pair who isn't a couple.
*** They're a couple in the same way Scrubs' John Dorian and Christopher Turk are.
**** Indeed, it's just guy love... between two guys.
* Another GT problem. How could the Black Star balls have been made before Kami separated from Piccolo? Kami separated from Piccolo so that he could become the resident god. Don't you need to be the resident Kami to make the Dragon Balls in the first place? When could he have possibly made the black star balls?
** IIRC, the Black Star balls were Kami's Dragon Balls, beta version, with one giant drawback. Of course, how one could figure out that drawback without a planet or three going "Boom"... [[BellisariosMaxim let's just not examine this too closely.]]
** If ''I'' remember correctly, Pilaf said they were made before the split. Besides, if they were solo Kami's, then the balls would be inert, since by that time, Kami has long since fused with Piccolo.
** Also, Pilaf's an idiot.
*** You don't need to be Kami to make the balls, you just need to be from the Dragon Clan. Guru wasn't Kami of anything, if you recall. That explains why the Black Star balls were active after Kami had fused with Piccolo, because that was his original state when he created the balls
**** The Black Star balls were made by the Nameless Namek; they became inert when he split into Kami and King Piccolo. Remember Piccolo Jr ceased to exist after the Cell saga from a biological point of view - as far as the balls are concerned he is the original creator. ''It's clearly said in the episode they appear''. Incidentally it actually makes perfect sense from a real world perspective; the Nameless Namek was as strong as Android 17 AKA a thousand times stronger than Guru or Kami. Makes sense his Dragon Balls would be stronger in every single way.
** The Black Star Balls are too nonsensical to think about them. For instance, how come they were never detected after the Nameless Namek was reborn in the middle of Cell Saga? The original Dragon Balls have been collected at least thrice after that (after Cell's death, after Majin Vegeta's killing spree, and at the end of the Buu saga) and they never found out about the Black Balls via the radar. Also, how could Red Shenlong affect Goku's body (and power) since he's clearly far stronger than the creator? Those are pretty big {{Plot Holes}}.
* How is it that Android 18, after lecturing Super 17 on his "cowardice" for allowing mad doctors to decide his actions, witnessing his clear look of turmoil over it, and seeing him finally snap and kill Dr. Myu after the latter runs his mouth, never actually thinks about trying to convince her brother to stand down? We could've seen a HeelFaceTurn which would produce a very valuable ally that could've come in handy for the final arc so that Goku didn't have to do 90% of everything. (Wait, maybe I just answered my own question…)
** That you did. Dragon Ball GT was designed to make Goku the hero and everyone else seem like losers. At the end of Z Gohan and Gotenks were the strongest fighters in existence. Come GT and instead of expanding their characters, the writers pull Super Saiyan 4 out of their ass which just happens to make everything and everyone before it look redundant. Even after other Super Saiyan 4's appeared he was ''still'' responsible for the killing blow against the most powerful enemy in history. And what was the final shot of the series? Goku the only Z Fighter alive. Basically the writers sought out anyone or anything as strong as Goku and ground it under their heels.
*** Wait... Wouldn't SSJ3 Goku be just as strong as, if not stronger than, SSJ3 Gotenks? Not just that, but Vegito was far outclassing Super Buu after it absorbed Gohan (who recently had his full potential unlocked), even before turning into a Super Saiyan. Plus, even without the Potara, Goku and Vegeta could still fuse into Gogeta via Fusion Dance, if Goku could convince Vegeta to...
**** SSJ Gotenks was roughly even/superior to SS3 Goku. Goku was scared to fight Super Buu, and SS3 Gotenks dominated him. SS3 Goku is nowhere near SS3 Gotenks. Base Vegetto beating Super Buu w/Gohan is filler, in the manga he turns Super Saiyan immediately.
* Thinking about it now, why couldn't they use Earth's normal Dragon Balls to wish back the Black Star Dragon Balls? It would've made a lot more sense to try to attempt to find the regular balls scattered across the planet before time ran out than it would've to build a ship and travel in space to who knows where to find the other set. Even if they couldn't wish the balls back, they could've at least asked for some form of advanced teleportation that'd let them easily arrive at the places with the balls, especially since Bulma somehow designed a radar that was able to detect the balls throughout space. Granted, we all know what happened the first time they actually tried to use the things in the entire series (if I'm not mistaken; Didn't they use new Namek's Dragon Balls to wish Earth back after Baby Vegeta used the Black Star Dragon Balls again? Soon after Baby was defeated, they had to evacuate Earth and I doubt they took the regular Dragon Balls with them), but the main characters couldn't have possibly known that at the time.
** Also, in regards to the Black Star Dragon Balls being used again, why didn't the time needed to gather them again reset?
*** At least in the dub, it did. The Baby thing lasted far longer than it seemed.
* Why did Goku age back to adulthood when in [=SSJ4=] form? Was it just {{Rule of Cool}}, or did it have an in-universe justification?
** If I recall correctly, it was because his Super Saiyan 4 form was stronger than the Red Shenron. That may just have been {{Fanon}}, though.
*** Which is itself a pretty bland {{Handwave}}. There's no way for the Nameless Namek to be stronger than Goku [=SSJ3=], or else Piccolo should have been able to fight with Fat Buu. I guess it's another {{Plot Hole}} for DragonballGT.
**** Not really. Shenron can't affect anyone who's stronger than its creator, but was it ever stated that the Black Star Shenron had the same limitation? It could be that, as an unofficial (non-Kami/Guru/Planetary Sponsor) dragon with ''huge'' drawbacks, it could affect anyone who wasn't stronger than ''itself''. That's starting to get close to FanWank, however, and is completely invalid if it was stated to have the same limitation and completely moot if it was a different reason.
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* In Yamcha's first appearance he said he wanted to get married more then anything and Future Trunks briefly mentions that Yamcha finds a new love in that timeline. With these things in mind why is Yamcha now living alone with Puar back in Diablo desert?desert?
* How the hell did Dr. Gero and Dr. Myu manage to make a perfect copy of 17? In hell?!?
* How the hell did Dr. Gero and Dr. Myu manage to make a perfect copy of 17? In hell?!?
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