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** I always thought that Ronaldo was committing SuicideByCop, not actually trying to kill Alcor, and that the "No hard feelings" was either in regards to attacking Alcor or for not being able to abandon his ideals and join the [=MC=]. As to why he jumped at Alcor specifically, it was probably because he knew that the others were unlikely to actually kill him.
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** I always thought that Ronaldo was committing SuicideByCop, not actually trying to kill Alcor, and that the "No hard feelings" was either in regards to attacking Alcor or for not being able to abandon his ideals and join the [=MC=]. As to why he jumped at Alcor specifically, it was probably because he knew that the others were unlikely to actually kill him.him.
* For the [[UpdatedRerelease Triangulum Arc]], why do the characters ''revert'' to their old outfits? Given that there clearly are scenes showing the character sprites in the new attire ''and'' having portraits of the characters in the new attire - like Airi and Hina in their white and black clothes, respectively - why do they go back to the old outfits? Even [[spoiler:Yamato]], whose biggest design change is taking the coat off, goes back to putting it back on, despite the presence of sprites and portrait. Why did they go the obviously extra mile to expand on the sprites in new clothes, when they'll just revert to the old ones?
* For the [[UpdatedRerelease Triangulum Arc]], why do the characters ''revert'' to their old outfits? Given that there clearly are scenes showing the character sprites in the new attire ''and'' having portraits of the characters in the new attire - like Airi and Hina in their white and black clothes, respectively - why do they go back to the old outfits? Even [[spoiler:Yamato]], whose biggest design change is taking the coat off, goes back to putting it back on, despite the presence of sprites and portrait. Why did they go the obviously extra mile to expand on the sprites in new clothes, when they'll just revert to the old ones?
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** Hinako is already portrayed as being pretty hot-headed and she puts a lot of emphasis on teamwork, even saying that people from Osaka just help each other out on pure principle. She doesn't seem to have gotten Keita's death-clip, as she obviously didn't know about it until the protagonist's group showed it to her. At which point, Hinako was Hinako and decided to help Keita, simply because that's the right thing to do. After all, she's introduced by running towards people screaming and fighting demons at the drop of a hat because, well, that's just what one does if they have the means to fight and help people. As for her relationship with Keita after rescuing him... it's likely frustrated shock that Keita is so selfish and doesn't care about helping people, when he really could do it easily. He just wants to get stronger.
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. If said meritocracy is created in a "perfect" way, following this rules, by Polaris, you will not rule. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. If said meritocracy is created in a "perfect" way, following this rules, way by Polaris, you will not rule.rule, period. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. If said meritocracy is created in a "perfect" way, following this rules, by Polaris, you will not rule. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which part(which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It's more or less means using god power's to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It's It more or less means using god power's god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).
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**Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It's more or less means using god power's to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and his personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exactly the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and his personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exactly the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law. Alcor's route being the true chaos one (...which means that ironically enough, or not since this is a SMT, the only "nice god" loving and respecting human is in the chaos route)
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exactly the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is his personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exactly the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact exactly the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it t his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it t to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doen't apply it t his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doen't doesn't apply it t his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow the said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doen't apply it t his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow the to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doen't apply it t his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow the said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow the said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it).it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doen't apply it t his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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***Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and is personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow the said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exact the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.
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*** Chaos isn't really about vengeance or impulsive actions, the difference between Chaos and Law is supposed to be in the end goals. That being said, both Ronaldo and Yamato are seeking a higher power to grant their wishes in this, and there are [[TakeAThirdOption other routes]] that might be considered at least as equally Chaos as Yamato's if not more so.
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*** Is there any official material saying that Yamato's route is the chaotic one chaos? Even without all of this, most chaos characters are driven by "selfish" motives (as in, motives that come from their feelings) compared to the ordered way of a law path, which is more about having a real structure, no matter how "evil" it may seem. Remember the law path in the first SMT; it definitely wasn't an example of a "nice" thing at all. And there being an "order" just means that it has to follow coherent rules; murder or not. It's not a matter of "good and evil" at all, law isn't incompatible with free murder at all. If anything Ronaldo is the most chaotic one of the twi, since equality aside, he's doing what he is doing against Jp for vengeance and follows his own will and that's it.
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*** Is there any official material saying that Yamato's route is the chaotic one chaos? one? Even without all of this, most chaos characters are driven by "selfish" motives (as ("selfish" as in, motives that come from their feelings) feelings before everything else; or why chaos characters tend to be all about freeedom) compared to the ordered way of a law path, which is more about having a real structure, no matter how "evil" it may seem. seem, and screw free will if it is needed; exactly what Yamato is doing. Remember the law path in the first SMT; it definitely wasn't an example of a "nice" thing at all.all, if anything law path tend to be the worst of the two. And there being an "order" just means that it has to follow coherent rules; murder or not. It's Chaos and law are not a matter of "good and evil" at all, law isn't incompatible with free murder at all. That's the role of the good and bad alignment. If anything Ronaldo is the most chaotic one of the twi, two, since equality aside, just when it comes to their personality, he's doing what he is doing against Jp for vengeance vengeance, he's a LOT more impulsive and follows his own will feelings a lot more than Yamato, and do whatever he wants and that's it.it.
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** Because it's a spin-off of a series that is known for allowing you to summon/control demons and [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII kill God]]. If that didn't get the series banned, communism wouldn't either.
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*** In the long run, Yamato's merit-driven world is inclined towards Chaos: As said above, the fact that anyone with strength could potentially change society at the drop of a hat, so long as they could enforce it , means that despite its apparent structure, it's more Chaotic than Ronaldo's world, where enforced equality would create and promote a status quo. The meritocracy appears to have no laws against murder, a view that presumably extends to the extremes of dog-eat-dog, which is inherently chaotic; contrast that with a world of total equality, created by a man with extremely black-and-white views of Right and Wrong, and where the lack of motivation to get ahead would result in a lack of the shake-ups a meritocracy would find endemic. In contrast to Yamato's ending, which has a theme of constant struggle, Ronaldo's ending implies a future of eventual stasis.
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** Plus a good deal of envy, in that he's pissed off because Japan's leaders (who are, of course, corrupt and incompetent) are the ones everyone looks to, even though they don't deserve their positions (in his eyes). It's touched on when he talks about how his family served in secret and it was a thankless duty. Yamato's merit-based system is as much based on wanting people to recognize him as it is Yamato believing he's best-suited to run things, though in the Best End it seems to have been tempered by the [=MC=].
** Airi's hangup is that she had to stop because her father couldn't afford it; in Ronaldo's world, wealth or lack thereof would be a non-factor, so Airi could have continued the piano. Airi's also shown to resent people who excel because she thinks they make her 'look bad,' from berating Otome about being "too nice" to clashing with Hinako about pursuing her own dream (dance), and even half-heartedly accusing the [=MC=] of making her look like the bad guy, should he apologize after beating her; someone who resents others who excel (because she feels she doesn't have anything like that herself) wouldn't be a good fit for a meritocracy, though she does get better.
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* What does Rolando have against Alcor? His actions when you choose Alcor's route makes no sense. Yamato has every reason to oppose Alcor given how they have a backstory together with Alcor leaving Yamato after he learned what Yamato wanted to do with the world. Rolando has almost no knowledge of Alcor given he doesn't even participate in defeating the Septerions and if pretty much left out in the dark except in stuff he investigates to make things worse for Yamato and is too busy assembling a resistance against Yamato that he wouldn't have time to know about Alcor. [[spoiler: So him attacking Alcor even though at the beginning of the battle he say's "No hard feelings" feels out of character for him as much of a hypocrite he is given he HAS no reason to kill Alcor.]]
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* What does Rolando have against Alcor? His actions when you choose Alcor's route makes no sense. Yamato has every reason to oppose Alcor given how they have a backstory together with Alcor leaving Yamato after he learned what Yamato wanted to do with the world. Rolando has almost no knowledge of Alcor given he doesn't even participate in defeating the Septerions and if pretty much left out in the dark except in stuff he investigates to make things worse for Yamato and is too busy assembling a resistance against Yamato that he wouldn't have time to know about Alcor. [[spoiler: So him attacking Alcor even though at the beginning of the battle he say's "No hard feelings" feels out of character for him as much of a hypocrite he is given he HAS no reason to kill Alcor.]]]]
** I always thought that Ronaldo was committing SuicideByCop, not actually trying to kill Alcor, and that the "No hard feelings" was either in regards to attacking Alcor or for not being able to abandon his ideals and join the [=MC=]. As to why he jumped at Alcor specifically, it was probably because he knew that the others were unlikely to actually kill him.
** I always thought that Ronaldo was committing SuicideByCop, not actually trying to kill Alcor, and that the "No hard feelings" was either in regards to attacking Alcor or for not being able to abandon his ideals and join the [=MC=]. As to why he jumped at Alcor specifically, it was probably because he knew that the others were unlikely to actually kill him.
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Natter that goes to places like Game Faqs, not a story head scratchers page.
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* Not so much a headscratcher as trying to clear something up. Does level affect a demon's performance? Like if a level 20 and level 30 have the same magic stat and use the same spell, will the Level 30 do more damage?
** Yes, current level is part of damage calculations.
** Thank you for clearing that up. Now to go make some replacements on my demon roster....
** Yes, current level is part of damage calculations.
** Thank you for clearing that up. Now to go make some replacements on my demon roster....
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** Because it's a spin-off of a series that is known for allowing you to summon/control demons and [[ShinMegamiTenseiII kill God]]. If that didn't get the series banned, communism wouldn't either.
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** Because it's a spin-off of a series that is known for allowing you to summon/control demons and [[ShinMegamiTenseiII [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII kill God]]. If that didn't get the series banned, communism wouldn't either.
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* Why is Yamato's Route considered Chaos? His sight for the new world is a place where the MightMakesRight... Which is not only similar, but the same with Yosuga/Chiaki's Reason back in [[ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Nocturne]], the Reason that was supported by angels of all people.
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* Why is Yamato's Route considered Chaos? His sight for the new world is a place where the MightMakesRight... Which is not only similar, but the same with Yosuga/Chiaki's Reason back in [[ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Nocturne]], the Reason that was supported by angels of all people.
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** Because it's a spin-off of a series that is known for allowing you to summon/control demons and [[ShinMegamiTenseiII kill God]]. If that didn't get the series banned, communism wouldn't either.
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** My bad, I just misunderstood what the main page said about this game getting an Updated Rerelease. I took it as "this game will be remade, as will its anime".
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** Because the old one was panned? But seriously, where does it say they are planning to make another one?
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* This game already got one anime, so why are they planning to make another one?
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* Why wasn't this game banned in America? After all, it does give you the option to turn the world communist. Not saying it'd be right that it be banned, but it does sound like a reason to ban it from America.
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** Death clips aren't only sent to people who are already friends - they're sent to people who are destined to ''become'' friends or otherwise linked by fate. If Keita dies, this becomes Hinako's [[MyGreatestFailure]] greatest failure (or so it seems at the time) and apparently that's enough of a link to count.
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** Death clips aren't only sent to people who are already friends - they're sent to people who are destined to ''become'' friends or otherwise linked by fate. If Keita dies, this becomes Hinako's [[MyGreatestFailure]] [[MyGreatestFailure greatest failure failure]] (or so it seems at the time) and apparently that's enough of a link to count.
