History Headscratchers / DevilSurvivor2

4th Jul '16 10:43:19 AM catmuto
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** I always thought that Ronaldo was committing SuicideByCop, not actually trying to kill Alcor, and that the "No hard feelings" was either in regards to attacking Alcor or for not being able to abandon his ideals and join the [=MC=]. As to why he jumped at Alcor specifically, it was probably because he knew that the others were unlikely to actually kill him.

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** I always thought that Ronaldo was committing SuicideByCop, not actually trying to kill Alcor, and that the "No hard feelings" was either in regards to attacking Alcor or for not being able to abandon his ideals and join the [=MC=]. As to why he jumped at Alcor specifically, it was probably because he knew that the others were unlikely to actually kill him.him.
* For the [[UpdatedRerelease Triangulum Arc]], why do the characters ''revert'' to their old outfits? Given that there clearly are scenes showing the character sprites in the new attire ''and'' having portraits of the characters in the new attire - like Airi and Hina in their white and black clothes, respectively - why do they go back to the old outfits? Even [[spoiler:Yamato]], whose biggest design change is taking the coat off, goes back to putting it back on, despite the presence of sprites and portrait. Why did they go the obviously extra mile to expand on the sprites in new clothes, when they'll just revert to the old ones?
4th Nov '15 11:18:42 AM catmuto
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** Hinako is already portrayed as being pretty hot-headed and she puts a lot of emphasis on teamwork, even saying that people from Osaka just help each other out on pure principle. She doesn't seem to have gotten Keita's death-clip, as she obviously didn't know about it until the protagonist's group showed it to her. At which point, Hinako was Hinako and decided to help Keita, simply because that's the right thing to do. After all, she's introduced by running towards people screaming and fighting demons at the drop of a hat because, well, that's just what one does if they have the means to fight and help people. As for her relationship with Keita after rescuing him... it's likely frustrated shock that Keita is so selfish and doesn't care about helping people, when he really could do it easily. He just wants to get stronger.
8th Mar '15 3:00:44 AM elkeryos
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. If said meritocracy is created in a "perfect" way, following this rules, by Polaris, you will not rule. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).

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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. If said meritocracy is created in a "perfect" way, following this rules, way by Polaris, you will not rule.rule, period. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
8th Mar '15 1:57:55 AM elkeryos
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).

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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. If said meritocracy is created in a "perfect" way, following this rules, by Polaris, you will not rule. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
8th Mar '15 1:52:10 AM elkeryos
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).

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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" part(which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
8th Mar '15 1:51:12 AM elkeryos
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).

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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which part(which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
8th Mar '15 1:49:13 AM elkeryos
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).

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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. Polaris is the administrator of our "system", in other words our reality. Humanity and how it behaves is not external to this system, but is a part of it and therefore can be changed like anything else. It more or less means using god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).happen and therefore create "his" meritocracy).
8th Mar '15 1:42:57 AM elkeryos
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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It's more or less means using god power's to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).

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** Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It's It more or less means using god power's god's power to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).
8th Mar '15 1:41:38 AM elkeryos
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**Because it isn't contradicted by his meritocracy at all. The context is very, very important. The "When man grows accustomed to power, they tend to abuse it." is true in the current system, "our" system, the one at the beginning of the game. Using Polaris isn't only like changing a government, despite the heavily political nature of the game. It's more or less means using god power's to rewrite human nature and therefore how humanity will behave regarding everything, otherwise being egalitarian would be just as stupid or even moreso than a meritocracy. Basically, egalitarian = rewriting humanity and "fixing" it so that everyone will think that everyone is equal and that's it, and Yamato's meritocracy would be a meritocracy without the "corrupt" element (which is what he hated and what he was fighting against in the first place). Which is why also Alcor is the chaos/freedom path, he is against tampering them because the most interesting thing to him is freedom, despite the corruption, inequalities or pain it will have a chance to create. Using Polaris to rewrite human nature make the "drunk with power" point moot, since it is assumed that in this new world order, this will not happen. Only a pure meritocracy based on skills and being the most able to do something (which, when it comes to ruling, includes "not abusing your power". If you are doing it, then you are not "the best one" when it comes to ruling fairly according to your own system, and therefore you don't deserve your place according to your own meritocracy. Yamato says many time that the most fitting one will rule, even if it's not him; but he'll be the "stepping stone" in order to make it happen).
4th Dec '14 8:20:59 PM elkeryos
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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and his personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exactly the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law.

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*** Yeah, impulsive actions and vengeance as in "having the freedom to do it" compared to being locked in a system (which is more like Yamato's mindset). And yeah, the end result is what matter, which is why Yamato and Ronaldo are both law; Yamato is law and his personality is classical law too, but Ronaldo is more like law in his goal with a kind of chaotic personality when it comes to how he reacts (he is okay with using a "superior order" brainwashing everyone, but definitely will not bow to said order if it goes against his own convictions. It's the very reason he is against Jp, he has the freedom so do it, so he does it. Even if Jp is/was "kind of right", he doesn't always follow an order just because that's the thing to do. In this way, he care more about freedom than Yamato when it comes to his reactions, but he doesn't apply it to his goals.). But he's still law in the end because of how both he and Yamato both want to use Polaris in order to create a "superior order" brainwashing everything. I was more talking about his personality, and less about his goal for this one, since Ronaldo isn't exactly the "Law archetype" personality-wise and is EXTREMELY different from Yamato despite both of them being Law. Alcor's route being the true chaos one (...which means that ironically enough, or not since this is a SMT, the only "nice god" loving and respecting human is in the chaos route)
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