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** It's worth noting that Spartan himself points out that he's not exactly anything to emulate or admire, and is in many ways as destructive as Phoenix. The two definitely have a bit of a NotSoDifferent thing going on; both are destructive, impulsive, violent types, except Phoenix is on the side of anarchy and chaos and Spartan is on the side of law. However, they could both easily come across as equally bad extremes -- yeah, Phoenix is killing innocent civilians and taking urban warfare to the streets, but Spartan does such things as destroy an entre mini-mall to rescue one person (which, much as the "Fuck ''you'' lady!" girl has a point, is not exactly that much more socially constructive). Essentially, just because Phoenix is bad doesn't mean that people are gonna be inclined to think much better of Spartan; I mean, he's called the "Demolition Man" for Christ's sake, that's not exactly a nickname with many positive connotations.

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** It's worth noting that Spartan himself points out that he's not exactly anything to emulate or admire, and is in many ways as destructive as Phoenix. The two definitely have a bit of a NotSoDifferent thing some similarities going on; both are destructive, impulsive, violent types, except Phoenix is on the side of anarchy and chaos and Spartan is on the side of law. However, they could both easily come across as equally bad extremes -- yeah, Phoenix is killing innocent civilians and taking urban warfare to the streets, but Spartan does such things as destroy an entre mini-mall to rescue one person (which, much as the "Fuck ''you'' lady!" girl has a point, is not exactly that much more socially constructive). Essentially, just because Phoenix is bad doesn't mean that people are gonna be inclined to think much better of Spartan; I mean, he's called the "Demolition Man" for Christ's sake, that's not exactly a nickname with many positive connotations.
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* Yeah, the name should speak for itself. If spicy food isn't allowed in the future, then how did Taco Bell become the only prime eating establishment? Yes, Spartan acknowledges that they aren't actually tacos, but that still begs the question of what they ''ARE'' serving? Regardless of whatever products are available, I presume they have to have ''SOME'' kind of seasonings and spices in them. If not, then what's the point of half the menu at Taco Bell then?

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* Yeah, the name should speak for itself. If spicy food isn't allowed in the future, then how did Taco Bell become the only prime eating establishment? Yes, Spartan acknowledges that they aren't actually tacos, but that still begs the question of what they ''ARE'' serving? Regardless of whatever products are available, I presume they have to have ''SOME'' kind of seasonings and spices in them. If not, then what's the point of half the menu at Taco Bell then?
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* Yeah, the name should speak for itself. If spicy food isn't allowed in the future, then how did Taco Bell become the only prime eating establishment? Yes, Spartan acknowledges that they aren't actually tacos, but that still begs the question of what they ''ARE'' serving? Regardless of whatever products are available, I presume they have to have ''SOME'' kind of seasonings and spices in them. If not, then what's the point of half the menu at Taco Bell then?

Good heavens, did this make more sense in the European edit where it was Pizza Hut instead...
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** I'm going to suggest that maybe it was deliberate. There are several other WMGs speculating that Cocteau manipulated numerous events in the background leading up to Phoenix's release. It is possible that his original plan involved getting Friendly to steal the guns and become an even bigger problem for the city so that Cocteau could then justifiably rally against TheEvilsOfFreeWill. But Friendly isn't a mass murderer, just a delinquent. So he didn't take the bait. Releasing Phoenix was Cocteau's Plan B.
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*** Not exactly, Phoenix says he doesnt want any "MAD DOG killer types" as in, he doesn't want any of them to have the desire to try to kill him to become the gang leader
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*** Spartan was released early to be put on the task of seeking and capturing Phoenix, Phoenix was being given training in things already had a start in, Phoenix had requested a specific set of inmates as his crew, said inmates were not likely fully reformed. None of the people released during the film beyond the piano player had undergone the full rehabilitation process.
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** Alternatively, because nobody in this society could concieve of the idea that anyone might want to actually use the weapons...
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** There are dozens of real-life songs that became real popular because of people only cared for a catchy tune and don't really listen to the actual lyrics. No better example than Abba, the band pretty much is known for making "happy songs", when in fact many of them tell pretty sad stories about betrayal, loneliness, and depression.
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*** Cocteau initially scoffs jovially at John's statement and tries to dismiss it, with everyone parroting him... but when John presses the issue and insists, notice how fast Cocteau's face goes rigid, and the ''very next thing he says'' is "The side effects of the freezing process are unavoidable." If you pay attention to the scene, it tells you that John's right, he was having thoughts and dreams in there, and Cocteau knows perfectly well it happens and that it probably does drive a lot of people insane, he just doesn't care.
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** Which makes no sense given the context of the movie, and still doesn't answer the question of how they ''replace toilet paper'' in function.
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*** Judging from her lines and what she starts saying I highly doubt it's a BFF she is calling.
** I think it shows there are more people not following the Law than Cocteau thinks, I mean, dude is pretty delusional anyway, if he thinks every single person does every little thing he outlines, if they did, the Scraps wouldn't exist.
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** I've always been a fan of the idea that the seashells use super sonic technology in order to assist the user in evacuating their bowels.
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** Phoenix explicitly states none of the requested assistants are murderers. Cocteau probably had trouble understanding a person not convicted for murder might be a murderer after all (as was the case, according to Phoenix during the gang meeting) or capable of murder. So he saw no point in making this kind of adjustment, especially since it would have meant a delay.
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** Beyond all that, Tourette Syndrome is fairly uncommon. Only about half a percent of people are diagnosed as children and most of those are fairly mild symptoms. There are an estimated 200,000 people with moderate to severe Tourette's. Of those, less than ten percent exhibit coprolalia - involuntarily swearing. With a sample size that small, it's not likely to be that big of a problem anyway.
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** Exactly. It's like showing pictures of people with advanced stages of smallpox and polio and saying "And this is what the world was like before we learned decent medicine," completely glossing over the millions of people who lived at the same time and ''didn't'' suffer those afflictions. Picking the worst bits from a single part of history and saying "this is what it was like everywhere, all the time, until this happened" is a time-honored tradition among bad armchair historians and propaganda specialists.

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** Remember that the San Angeles Utopia turns out to be a dystopia controlled by an "Evil Mister Rogers". Procreation is done in a lab. The doctors don't have to have a cure for Tourette's; just an early way to identify it (or markers that may possibly raise the risk of it) and an unfortunate pregnancy failure that was unquestionably a natural miscarriage and definitely not an abortion, because abortions are illegal, you see. Here, let's run this test. Honey, we're going to give you a special shot to make everything better. Oh dear, you are having a medical event. Never fear; we will handle it properly.

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** **Huxley actually got a half credit fine for a Soto voco/soft voice violation, as she muttered the word. Had she said louder, she'd have been fined a full credit.
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** You assume things are better or ''less'' restrictive outside of San Angeles. San Angeles can be prissy and has an authoritarianism problem, but if it's a functional community and even in the slums there's some access to food. But if the nearest place outside of San Angeles is a war-blasted hellhole with no supplies or civilisation whatsoever, or a fascist warlord state which executes refugees on sight, that's not much of an improvement.
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** Wouldn't the malcontents have simply fled to those less restrictive places then? I realise there can be problems there as well, but they're ''starving'' in LA.
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* The very beginning gives [[ToddTheT1000 this troper]] a JustBugsMe moment - they automatically take Phoenix's word over Spartan's. Spartan is one of the city's most successful cops, whose accolades include nailing some of Los Angeles' worst scumbags of the age, and yet they still freeze him in cryo-stasis. Spartan did a thermal check of the building that only found Phoenix and some of his goonies, and that would probably have been confirmed by written reports, or at least the testimony of Zachary Lamb, the pilot who drops him into Phoenix's hideout. Does it never even ''occur'' to Spartan's police chief that the hostages were already dead? Sure, it turns out that that's true later on (it clearly occurred that Spartan even had realized what Phoenix had done the moment the fire captain said, "There are bodies everyhere! There must be twenty or thirty. Everywhere!"), but you'd [[GenreBlind think it would've occurred to somebody]] before you just go and freeze Spartan right up like that?

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* The very beginning gives beginning, for [[ToddTheT1000 this troper]] a JustBugsMe moment - they automatically take Phoenix's word over Spartan's. Spartan is one of the city's most successful cops, whose accolades include nailing some of Los Angeles' worst scumbags of the age, and yet they still freeze him in cryo-stasis. Spartan did a thermal check of the building that only found Phoenix and some of his goonies, and that would probably have been confirmed by written reports, or at least the testimony of Zachary Lamb, the pilot who drops him into Phoenix's hideout. Does it never even ''occur'' to Spartan's police chief that the hostages were already dead? Sure, it turns out that that's true later on (it clearly occurred that Spartan even had realized what Phoenix had done the moment the fire captain said, "There are bodies everyhere! There must be twenty or thirty. Everywhere!"), but you'd [[GenreBlind think it would've occurred to somebody]] before you just go and freeze Spartan right up like that?



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** Almost certainly there are sanctioned terminations. Remember that a large part of Cocteau's plan for socially engineering San Angeles is that they need to unquestioningly believe in him and what he's doing. (Note how Lenina Huxley, despite being perfectly aware of what a monster he is at that point, is extremely upset at his death and laments about how their society might not be able to continue.) A major part of him establishing that sort of god-like control over people would be him being able to determine who lives and who dies. Even if execution isn't technically legal (because remember you can get an eternal sentence to cryoprison which is effectively execution just not as humane), then he would want to make compassionate euthanasia legal... but only if the person in question applied for and obtained permission or a license (AKA his blessing).
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* Garcia calls murders which Phoenix committed "non-sanctioned terminations". That remark got me thinking-so does this mean there are ''sanctioned'' terminations? We know the society is totally against violence and killing, but perhaps they might make an exception in regards to euthanasia? Or it might be something else. Any idea what to make of this?
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** Or Cocteau allows a very small cadre of people to be trained in violence as a coast guard... but they're never allowed to set foot on land or call home again. It's the exact sort of callously "necessary" thing he'd come up with.
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** He was either thinking he'd keep him around as a sort of attack dog or put him back into cryostasis. Perhaps a mix of both, just occasionally thawing Phoenix out when he needed to use him for some purpose like eliminating a rogue element or stirring things up for propaganda. He thought he had way more control over Phoenix than he did, likely in part due to the fact that his social engineering has turned the society into a minor cult of personality with him at its head.
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** The implication seems to be that the ground cracked open and sections of the city actually did drop into the underground, yes. The "Big One" seems to have been major enough for that.
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** Remember that the San Angeles Utopia turns out to be a dystopia controlled by an "Evil Mister Rogers". Procreation is done in a lab. The doctors don't have to have a cure for Tourette's; just an early way to identify it (or markers that may possibly raise the risk of it) and an unfortunate pregnancy failure that was unquestionably a natural miscarriage and definitely not an abortion, because abortions are illegal, you see. Here, let's run this test. Honey, we're going to give you a special shot to make everything better. Oh dear, you are having a medical event. Never fear; we will handle it properly.
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** I think the interview answer was along the lines of the 'what was in the box' for CastAway. "It was a plot device / throwaway gag, quit thinking so much about it."

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** I think the interview answer was along the lines of the 'what was in the box' for CastAway.''Film/CastAway''. "It was a plot device / throwaway gag, quit thinking so much about it."
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** Mind you, we don't know ''whom'' she called. She might have wanted to invite her BFF for a shopping spree for all we know.
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** There also seems to be a bit of a FreeLoveFuture in play. With sex only taking place through VR, a lot of the bonds, commitments, and risks are gone, and the woman who accidentally calls Spartan doesn't seem particularly embarrassed about it (no more embarrassed than anyone would be by a wrong number). So why not show off some for someone else?

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