History Headscratchers / CommandAndConquer

15th Aug '17 4:51:33 AM MarqFJA
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* How exactly did the Japanese manage to take control of Pearl Harbor and Hawaii in Red Alert 3? The dialog and monuments make it seem like the Japanese were there for quite a long time, but in Red Alert 2 Pearl Harbor is quite clearly still in American hands, and General Carver remarks that an attack on Pearl Harbor would be impossible implicating that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor never happened in their time. So how did the Japanese manage to gain control of Pearl Harbor after the time loop? It's clear Japan was laying low and wasn't attacking anyone in their timeline, so it couldn't be taken by force, and it seems very unlikely the Americans would just give up Hawaii at any time, especially after the first Soviet War.

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* How exactly did the Japanese manage to take control of Pearl Harbor and Hawaii in Red Alert 3? The dialog and monuments make it seem like the Japanese were there for quite a long time, but in Red Alert 2 Pearl Harbor is quite clearly still in American hands, and General Carver Carville remarks that an attack on Pearl Harbor would be impossible implicating that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor never happened in their time. So how did the Japanese manage to gain control of Pearl Harbor after the time loop? It's clear Japan was laying low and wasn't attacking anyone in their timeline, so it couldn't be taken by force, and it seems very unlikely the Americans would just give up Hawaii at any time, especially after the first Soviet War.
20th Jul '17 6:09:28 PM Hawkeye86
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** [[TooStupidToLive Only a fool would puppet an enemy nation that could destroy them]]. Between realpolitik, anti-communist sentiment and imperialist greed, there was no reason for the Allies not to tear the Soviet Union into the smallest pieces possible and purge it of all traces of Bolshevism.

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** [[TooStupidToLive Only a fool would puppet an enemy nation that could destroy them]]. Between realpolitik, anti-communist sentiment and imperialist greed, there was no reason for the Allies not to tear the Soviet Union into the smallest pieces possible and purge it of all traces of Bolshevism.
20th Jul '17 6:02:50 PM Hawkeye86
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** There is no reason, you just have to roll with it even though as a sequel that makes no sense.



** One of them speaks British and the other could as well be [[CanadaEh Canadian]]. Even if they were, they might also have been volunteers from the US in the Foreign Legion or an Allied country's service.

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** One of them speaks British and the other could as well be [[CanadaEh Canadian]]. Even if they were, they might also have been volunteers from the US in the Foreign Legion or an Allied country's service.

16th Jul '16 5:03:43 PM starman117
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*** Korea is free as well in this universe not a colony of Japan, so something happened to the Japanese Empire in the original Red Alert universe. The presence of the Arizona and Iwo Jima memorials make it safe to say that America had its own pacific war in this world separate to the war with Russia.
5th Jun '16 8:20:21 AM Doug86
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** To add to this, current borders of Poland (seen on the in-game map) are a result of FOUR separate arrangements which took part during UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo - (1) The Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, which established the German and Soviet zones in occupied Poland (2) an addendum to R-M, which gave Volhynia and Lvov area to Germans (3) Agreement between Roosevelt and Stalin, incorporating the entire Soviet occupation zone AND Volhynia-Lvov into the USSR (4) Final arrangements at the end of the war, giving Masuria, Pomerania and Silesia to the newly-founded communist state in Poland.

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** To add to this, current borders of Poland (seen on the in-game map) are a result of FOUR separate arrangements which took part during UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII - (1) The Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, which established the German and Soviet zones in occupied Poland (2) an addendum to R-M, which gave Volhynia and Lvov area to Germans (3) Agreement between Roosevelt and Stalin, incorporating the entire Soviet occupation zone AND Volhynia-Lvov into the USSR (4) Final arrangements at the end of the war, giving Masuria, Pomerania and Silesia to the newly-founded communist state in Poland.



* Between [=RA1=] and UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne (Which wasn't affected by Einstein), where the HELL did the tanks go? And planes? Why does the war start with the most heavily armored vehicle is a JEEP WITH A MACHINE GUN? (Not taking into account the Ore Trucks)

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* Between [=RA1=] and UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (Which wasn't affected by Einstein), where the HELL did the tanks go? And planes? Why does the war start with the most heavily armored vehicle is a JEEP WITH A MACHINE GUN? (Not taking into account the Ore Trucks)
19th Mar '16 8:43:52 AM Discar
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*** A much better explaination is that you're not restricted by rank, but by mission requirements. In the Allied campaign, your first mission to rescue Einstein likely used local guerillas and covert forces that could have infiltrated with greater ease than an entire armoured division. The briefing for the second mission already states they have little material in the area, and no time to provide you anything better. Mission three is again focussed on commando operations. By the fourth mission, they were apparently able to release some light armour suited for mountainous terrain. From the fifth mission on however, you have access to the mainstay of the Allied arsenal minus the more fanciful late technologies such as the Chronosphere, GPS satellite or gap generator which hadn't been invented yet. It's not that your technology disappeared or that you're not trusted, the generals have complete confidence in your ability to handle their best weapons. It's simply that most of the time, the best in [[AwesomeButImpractical impractical]] or just not in supply.

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*** ** A much better explaination is that you're not restricted by rank, but by mission requirements. In the Allied campaign, your first mission to rescue Einstein likely used local guerillas and covert forces that could have infiltrated with greater ease than an entire armoured division. The briefing for the second mission already states they have little material in the area, and no time to provide you anything better. Mission three is again focussed on commando operations. By the fourth mission, they were apparently able to release some light armour suited for mountainous terrain. From the fifth mission on however, you have access to the mainstay of the Allied arsenal minus the more fanciful late technologies such as the Chronosphere, GPS satellite or gap generator which hadn't been invented yet. It's not that your technology disappeared or that you're not trusted, the generals have complete confidence in your ability to handle their best weapons. It's simply that most of the time, the best in [[AwesomeButImpractical impractical]] or just not in supply.
19th Mar '16 8:09:33 AM cdcdrr
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*** A much better explaination is that you're not restricted by rank, but by mission requirements. In the Allied campaign, your first mission to rescue Einstein likely used local guerillas and covert forces that could have infiltrated with greater ease than an entire armoured division. The briefing for the second mission already states they have little material in the area, and no time to provide you anything better. Mission three is again focussed on commando operations. By the fourth mission, they were apparently able to release some light armour suited for mountainous terrain. From the fifth mission on however, you have access to the mainstay of the Allied arsenal minus the more fanciful late technologies such as the Chronosphere, GPS satellite or gap generator which hadn't been invented yet. It's not that your technology disappeared or that you're not trusted, the generals have complete confidence in your ability to handle their best weapons. It's simply that most of the time, the best in [[AwesomeButImpractical impractical]] or just not in supply.
15th Jan '16 6:24:50 AM Anddrix
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* The maps of [=RA1=]. If you'll take a look at the maps seen during the briefings, you'll see a Europe that, with the exception of a unified Germany, looks exactly like [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Cold_war_europe_military_alliances_map_en.png Europe during the Cold War]]. As has already been pointed out on the main page, [[http://www.wall-maps.com/Classroom/HISTORY/World/Europe1938.gif pre-WWII Europe did not look like that]]. Now, the fact that the developers [[ViewersAreMorons apparently thought that no-one would notice or care]] is bothersome enough, but what really gets this troper is that they ''did'' bother to get the map right in some of the cutscenes (such as, if this troper recalls correctly, the cutscene shown after failing the first Allied mission). Really makes you wonder, doesn't it?

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* The maps of [=RA1=]. If you'll take a look at the maps seen during the briefings, you'll see a Europe that, with the exception of a unified Germany, looks exactly like [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Cold_war_europe_military_alliances_map_en.png Europe during the Cold War]]. As has already been pointed out on the main page, [[http://www.wall-maps.com/Classroom/HISTORY/World/Europe1938.gif pre-WWII Europe did not look like that]]. Now, the fact that the developers [[ViewersAreMorons apparently thought that no-one would notice or care]] care is bothersome enough, but what really gets this troper is that they ''did'' bother to get the map right in some of the cutscenes (such as, if this troper recalls correctly, the cutscene shown after failing the first Allied mission). Really makes you wonder, doesn't it?
2nd Jan '16 6:58:57 PM Doug86
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** The AllInTheManual explanation for Tesla is that the NKVD broke into his office and carted off what must have been a few metric tons of material and documentation before Tesla got wise and called Western intelligence down to causterize that particular intelligence leak. As for the others, [[ChessMaster Kane.]]

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** The AllInTheManual AllThereInTheManual explanation for Tesla is that the NKVD broke into his office and carted off what must have been a few metric tons of material and documentation before Tesla got wise and called Western intelligence down to causterize that particular intelligence leak. As for the others, [[ChessMaster Kane.]]
24th Oct '15 7:10:27 AM Morgenthaler
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** The Allies liked their current timeline(with them ''winning'' and all), realized that using the time machine could result in many unpleasant changes and that they should only use it as a last case scenario. They're probably also GenreSavvy, using Time Travel to mess with time doesn't end up with the scenario you wanted in this series. Then the Soviets got their own machine up and running before the Allies could find out about it. Once the soviets killed Einstein the [=RA2=] Allies couldn't stop them anymore, due to being the [=RA3=] Allies now, or in the previous timeline unable to effect the [=RA3=] timeline as far as I know. The Allies in the [=RA3=] timeline didn't have Einstein make them a time machine so unless it's in the [=RA3=] expansion pack which I didn't get, nothing point to them being able to head backwards in time in the new timeline besides some chrono tech which doesn't mean they have something that can go backwards any further than Tanya's belt can.

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** The Allies liked their current timeline(with them ''winning'' and all), realized that using the time machine could result in many unpleasant changes and that they should only use it as a last case scenario. They're probably also GenreSavvy, cautious, using Time Travel to mess with time doesn't end up with the scenario you wanted in this series. Then the Soviets got their own machine up and running before the Allies could find out about it. Once the soviets killed Einstein the [=RA2=] Allies couldn't stop them anymore, due to being the [=RA3=] Allies now, or in the previous timeline unable to effect the [=RA3=] timeline as far as I know. The Allies in the [=RA3=] timeline didn't have Einstein make them a time machine so unless it's in the [=RA3=] expansion pack which I didn't get, nothing point to them being able to head backwards in time in the new timeline besides some chrono tech which doesn't mean they have something that can go backwards any further than Tanya's belt can.
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