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[[folder: Dawn and Spike in Seeing Red]]
* Something that confused me is that Dawn gets on Spike's case about how he hurt Buffy in Entropy in this episode and makes it sound as though she thinks it was done on purpose. I'm really confused Spike and Anya didn't know that the Trio put cameras in the Magic Box, they clearly didn't want to be seen by anyone it was just for solace because they were both sad over their situations with Buffy and Xander. Also Buffy ended her weird pseudo-relationship with Spike and told him to move on and he was trying do that. If Buffy is sad and realized that her feelings go deeper than how she thought then that isn't Spike's fault. Also I get that Dawn probably doesn't know about all the workings of their relationship but even then, the fact that Buffy saw what happened with him and Anya and got her feelings hurt isn't his fault by any means.

*** He does, in truth, ''care'' about Buffy's well-being. The problem is that his soulless lack of empathy makes it very difficult for him to figure out what is good for her--he's not equipped with any sort of natural radar for that the way someone with a soul is. But he ''does'' try to make money for her and keep her out of that depressing fast food job, he ''does'' try to offer emotional support to her depression. But like I said, he's learned good through observing Buffy. And well... in season 6, when would Buffy have seemed to him like she was most at ease and happy? During sex. Spike is, contrary to popular belief, ''not at all'' getting what he wants in season 6. He says this point blank in "Gone". He doesn't just want some slayer tail, he wants to ''be'' with her, emotionally. He sets his sight on making Buffy believe she "belongs with him" precisely because he has this misconstrued idea in his head that he will make her happy if she'd let him—more specifically, if she stopped being ashamed of loving him. It's only when she confesses that she'd been using him for escapism and admits their relationship was hurting her that he realizes there was no love on her side in first place. When Dawn comes by and chews him out for hurting Buffy by sleeping with Anya, he becomes re-convinced that she must love him on some level.

*** To add, not only did he have to talk himself up for the deed, but the ''reason'' Spike starts acting out in the first place is because Buffy is treating him like crap. Not only has she kissed him twice then refused to give him a good explanation for it, she's started lashing out at him and dehumanizing him--the very thing he'd very earnestly thanked her for ''not doing'' at the end of season 5. Unequipped with a natural moral compass, Spike more or less learned "good" with the Pavlov method and using Buffy (and while Buffy was dead, Dawn) as barometer--stalking = mean Buffy, so it's bad. Protecting and supporting = nice Buffy, so it's good. All of the sudden, despite that all he's really done is try to help Buffy since her resurrection, he's still treated with blunt disdain. It's very much a ThenLetMeBeEvil moment for him; he's being mistreated and has lost the modivation to be good, so when faced with the possibility that his muzzle is no longer functioning, he goes for it. ''And even then he hesitates'', because a part of him knows it'll upset Buffy and Dawn and he does still care for them. He'd never have just decided to be good for the sake of it, that's not how soulless vampires work, but the implication that he''would'' have continued trying to be good for Buffy without his chip if she was treating him better ''is'' significant growth in itself. It means his emotional bond would have kept him in check without the physical restraint of the chip, and the only reason it doesn't is because Buffy has broken that bond.
*** He does, in truth, ''care'' about Buffy's well-being. The problem is that his soulless lack of empathy makes it very difficult for him to figure out what is good for her--he's not equipped with any sort of natural radar for that the way someone with a soul is. But he ''does'' try to make money for her and keep her out of that depressing fast food job, he ''does'' try to offer emotional support to her depression. But like I said, he's learned good through observing Buffy. And well... in season 6, when would Buffy have seemed to him like she was most at ease and happy? During sex. Spike is, contrary to popular belief, ''not at all'' getting what he wants in season 6. Yeah, sure, he likes the sex but he wants Buffy to ''love'' him and really does think that she ''does'' on some level. He sets his sight on making Buffy believe she "belongs with him" precisely ''because'' he has this misconstrued idea in his head that he will make her happy if she'd let him--more specifically, if she stopped being ashamed of loving him. It's only when she confesses that she'd been using him for escapism and admits their relationship was hurting her that he realizes there was no love on her side in first place. When Dawn comes by and chews him out for hurting Buffy by sleeping with Anya, he becomes re-convinced that she must love him on some level.
*** In conclusion, Spike's character arc doesn't follow a conventional path until he has a soul. He never ''really'' develops the capacity to want to be good just because it was right while soulless, that would completely break the lore BTVS built for vampires. Spike's arc is about the conflict between wanting to do right for Buffy and Dawn--good people who he, despite being evil, happened to grow very fond of--and his nature as a soulless vampire. Him being "The Doctor" is actually a perfect representation of his character at that point; he's trying to help take care of Buffy by getting her the money she needs to support Dawn, an act of love, but he doesn't care that the money is made through a dangerous demon black market because he's still evil. Much as I loathe the episode, "Seeing Red" is what makes him realize that he, by his very nature, hurts those he loves and no amount of pretending to be good will change that. His dedication to his emotional bond is so strong that upon realizing that ''he'' is the problem, it gives him the drive to truly change that nature permanently.

* Ok so I don't know if this has been covered in the series also I'm not from America so I'm not sure how it works there but on all the systems surly she's still put down as deceased surly when she got a job or registered as Dawns guardian they would immediately think she was using a fake name or at least the life insurance people would think they were being scammed.

* How was Spike able to enter the Trio's lair without being invited? The episode even makes of point of Spike's badass enterance with him kicking down the door to the outside. It was previously stated that at the time, they were literally in one of their mother's basements, which counts as part of the house. And even if one of their parents had invited Spike in for some reason, wouldn't he have come in through the upstairs door?

* Yeah, snappy title, I know. Now, to the point. Go watch The Zeppo. Why? It shoots huge ass holes in all of Season Six. The first problem is the complete lack of an afterlife being mentioned in that episode. The guys crawl out of the ground, rotting, sure, but no worse for wear, their souls back in place. So, they weren't in Heaven for a few reasons (like being scum) or they would have been mopey. They weren't in a hell dimension or else there would have been some psychological scaring, seeing how time moves much faster in them it could have been a century or more for them in one. So, where the fuck were they? Where did this easy resurrection spell come from and where did it go? Couldn't Willow have used this MUCH EASIER spell, used a spell to heal Buffy's rotting or perhaps, oh, I don't know, bring back the Slayer right after she died? Sure, only Xander knows about it, but it must have come up, at least in his mind. But that isn't the biggest problem. Oh no, the biggest problem is the lovely little thing known as Tara's murder. Ra refuses to bring her back (fuck you Ra). So Willow goes all genocidal and stuff. But, the spell seen in The Zeppo could bring back people who died of gunshot wounds. Not only that, but someone with no magical training can do it. In fact, this shoots holes in just about every death besides for Anya and Jenny (they lost the corpse that time and didn't know about the spell yet for the other one). Joyce? Easy spell, back again without the Monkey's Paw side effects. Tara? Same thing. Buffy? Do it as soon as she's dead. Cordelia? Same thing. There's no way Wolfram & Hart doesn't have that spell. Wesley? Same. Oh, and just for the hell of it, lets say they were lacking their souls after all. YOU HAVE A REINSOULING SPELL. USE IT.

*** The spell used in the Zeppo required the stars to be proper alignment. Presumably the alignment happens annually but we really don't know. The ressurection was less than perfect also, it didn't physically heal any of their wounds. They were basically sentient zombies so I might be a little upset if you did that to me. As far as the after life goes we don't really know much about how it works. We know Buffy was a GREAT person and died a mystical death and went to heaven. We know we literally kicked Angel into hell. We don't have any proof that you get punished for leading a bad life. It's possible that the Buffyverse has a purgatory.

** She's not buried in a public graveyard. It's a secluded spot in the woods. Judging from how Xander and Willow got lost in "Bargaining", it's quite a bit out of the way from town. I suppose the out-of-universe explanation was that showing Buffy's grave was a good way to end the S5 finale and they hadn't thought of the gang using the Buffybot in her place yet. In-universe, think of it as Tara's "assume crash positions" theory. They may have been planning to resurrect Buffy but they didn't want to keep her body in the house. She was their friend and they don't want her to rot in the basement indefinitely. And she did still die and they wanted to mourn her in some way. So the grave and burial were a gesture for her - and possibly they didn't want to have to see her rot. So their rationale is to bury her so that if the spell doesn't work, she has somewhere to rest. Or they might have buried her first and then thought of the spell later, in which case they probably just didn't want to deface the headstone.

* After Buffy dies, one would think that a new slayer would be called in her place. However, as we learn for certain in Season 7, there seems to be no such Slayer. This could be because Buffy has already died once, and now only the Slayer who has never died (Faith) can be the one to call the next one with her death. But if that is the case, then why, in Episode 12, Season 7, does Buffy say that the next girl could be called with her death? That would mean that she's either lying to the girls in order to make a point, or is ignorant of the fact that her death can no longer call another Slayer. And isn't it a bit strange that she's never thought of the fact that there seems to be no third Slayer if it's the latter case? Worse, isn't it strange that Giles hasn't mentioned it or shown any curiosity about it that we're aware of?

[[folder:Dawns Vampy Classmates]]
* In "All the Way", how can Dawns classmates; who are vamps, attend school in the day.

* This is probably the tiniest IJBM ever, but here we go: Season Six, "Tabula Rasa". The gang loses their memory, Willow gets the idea of looking in their wallets for ID. But Buffy and Dawn ''don't have wallets''. Seriously? I know it's to set up the Joan/Umad joke, but come on. Dawn maybe, but Buffy's an adult with photo ID and bank-cards.

I am under the impression that the writers of every Season 6 episode either forgot everything they've written before, or magical mind wiping spells actually exist and we should all be terrified.

*** “The whole her being in heaven and at peace thing, well if she hadn't been brought back she would have a lot more company up there, and I think she would be a little pissed to know that she took a swan dive through the portal of doom just so her friends and family could die 5 months later.” That’s assuming that people in heaven have some sort of consciousness of who the other people there are. If I get things right, souls do not have faces or bodies for that matter, they’re something very abstract that go to a very incompressible plane of existence, so probably is not like she has wings and playing the harpy in a cloud when she sees Xander and Willow and the rest entering some golden door.

** Willow has had a problem with magic abuse that was actually foreshadowed heavily in advance; as early as the season 2 finale, Giles was telling her that channeling the reinsouling spell would "open a door that you may never be able to close". Yes, she has talked about how important it was not to abuse magic, but usually while either Giles or Tara was sitting there glaring at her. At the same time, she also helped Dawn try to cast the resurrection spell for Joyce behind Tara's back, went after Glory with as much dark magic as she could muster, ranted to Buffy about the Wicca group she tried to join being all religion when she was expecting a circle of witches casting awesome spells, etc. Ever since she started learning magic, Willow has come to completely define her personality around it. She is very rarely seen using her computer skills after high school ends, or any other skills that isn't spellcasting. Magic swiftly becomes her end-all be-all solution for every problem she comes across well before season six even starts.
*** I understand that she used magic as the most unhealthy relationship crutch of all time, but even against Oz she figured out it was wrong, I also understand that if she hadn't, 3 seconds later Satan himself would have made it his personal business to make sure Oz never found love again, but she was learning. For her talk about respecting magic, I'm talking about way back in Season 3 in "Dopplegangland" where she gives a little speech to Anya about how dangerous magic is , and in "Buffy vs Dracula" when she starts the fire, she talks about balance. For her "abuse" of magic, with the exception of her memory spell on Tara, it was blown completely out of proportion, by everybody, she's been practicing for 3 years, is inherently talented and is shown to have a pretty good knowledge of how things work, so think of it this way, your 21-22 you've just finally gotten dominance over a superpower, of course you're going to think it's the end all be all. It's basically every superhero origin story ever told, it has a very simple formula, hero gains powers (Season 3), hero develops powers(Season 4), hero uses powers to save the day(Season 5), hero hurts someone they love with their powers and they start to balance out (Season 6) but Willow already knew that"with great power comes great responsibility" so the whole thing comes off like she just forgot it to help the story along. All of this isn't to say that your wrong, something like this had to happen, she was a little magic-happy, but it's part of the process, I just think it should have been maybe a 3 or 4 episode mini arc near the beginning of the Season, not, lets make Willow a character from Literature/{{Trainspotting}} for the entire season.
*** Granted, the wrting on season 6 was . . subpar, but the rest of the cast was right on the nose when it came to Willow's magic. It wasn't as simple as she thought. She needed a serious reality check.
*** Willow doesn't know the "great power, great responsibility" thing. She is drastically irresponsible with her magic, and she always has been. Yes, she talks a good game when chewing out Anya or agreeing with Tara, but even as far back as season three, Lover's Walk, she was trying to invoke a love spell to reverse her attraction to Xander. Xander, of all people, had to tell Willow that not only is throwing magic at something so simple as mutual lust not an appropriate answer, but that she should KNOW BETTER because they've already HAD a love spell go horribly, horribly wrong in recent memory. She also performed the spell with Anya without actually knowing what they were casting; sure, she gave Anya the "this is dark magic" speech, but she waited until after the magic was done to do it; she didn't care beforehand what it was, she was just eager to do a new spell. She did the My Will Be Done spell because she was hurting over Oz leaving her in season four; she also got into an argument with Buffy over the reliability of her magic in the Fear Demon episode, which resulted in her casting her glowy light spell (and it inevitably going awry) out of prideful spite. And again, let's not forget helping Dawn try to resurrect Joyce a good six months of so before performing the incredibly dark magicks to resurrect Buffy. No matter how much she talks about respect and the natural order, Willow's first and only response to anything that challenges her is to dump magic into it until it goes away, a character trait that Tara becomes steadily more and more uncomfortable with over the course of the series.

* Xander- He's never been shown to be excessively cowardly, and if he is, he always shows he's up to the challenge, in "The Zeppo" he realizes he doesn't need other peoples approval and that he can deal with things with-out Buffy and Co. Not to mention the fact that he's always had a spot in his heart (platonic that is) for Willow, and he just sort of figures out ways to not notice anything Willow has been dealing with. Then the wedding rolls around and he, I don't know forgets that he has helped change what is supposed to be written in stone on more than a few occasions.

* Giles- He's always been there for Buffy, always known that Buffy needs him not so much as to be a hindrance on her, but enough that he isn't useless. Then in the beginning it makes sense Buffy's dead, but when she comes back. Giles reaction is to tell the recently un-deceased 21 year old with money troubles, a younger sister, friends who are going off the rails, is to leave, ridiculously un-Giles

** Jonathan wasn't trying to kill Buffy. He even says repeatedly that he doesn't want to kill Buffy, and he and Andrew both veto the idea when Warren is pushing it during Buffy's invisibility. Warren is the real villain of the Trio, and even that is something that happens gradually. From the moment we meet him, Warren is a a misogynistic sociopath. He invented a robot girlfriend to be "better" than a real girlfriend, and some of the things that come out of her mouth shine a spotlight on Warren's views towards women, such as "crying is emotional blackmail". He then proceeds to "break up" with his robot girlfriend as soon as he finds something he likes better by leaving her somewhere and just not going back to get her. His "gratitude" for Buffy "saving" him from said robot girlfriend is repaid by building Spike a sexbot of her. At no point does Warren ever show even the slightest respect for anyone but himself, which is something that only snowballs once the Trio is formed. The Trio themselves formed just as a group of nerds with classic nerd-supervillain ideas like mind-controlled monkey servants and taking over the world, before Warren snowballed out of control while Jonathan steadily became more and more uncomfortable with everything they were doing. Andrew was just a big ol' Warren fanboy and went along with everything he did, but from the moment they killed Katrina, Jonathan's discomfort was made plain, up until the point where he secretly betrayed Warren to Buffy when he had the power orbs.

** Umm, the decoration spell wasn't so much the problem as Willow ''erasing some of Tara's memories''. Given the fact that Tara has past issues with being mentally tampered with, and, as she mentions during "Once More With Feeling," she can't be sure this was the first time Willow did this, it is kind of a WhatTheHellHero moment.
*** The best way I can describe the problem was Willow using spells when it would have been easier - and probably ''safer'' - to do things the mundane way. The episode where she first wipes Tara's memory, "All the Way", also has her almost using a spell in the Bronze that would shift anyone not Dawn's age into an alternate dimension. With the resurrection spell, it was still pretty dangerous, regardless of whether it worked or not. The only Scoobies that knew what would happen were Willow and Tara, and even then Tara was freaked, while Giles was upset because she'd taken such a big risk. What if something had gone wrong? As for her not casting spells for selfish reasons, she doesn't most of the time, except for the "my will be done" spell from "Something Blue" and all the fooling around she and Amy did in "Smashed".

*** Let's also not forget that Willow would turn to magic and its uses with absolutely ZERO regard for the opinions and feelings of others involved. That spell that Willow wanted to do to stop loving Xander? Willow says outright, "I thought it would go better if you didn't know" to Xander's face! Willow's spell in the episode 'Wild at Heart' presumably means to stop Oz and Veruca finding love or peace with each other but with the ambiguous wording, it could very easily have resulted in neither finding it period with anybody. Willow even invokes Hell within the spell itself, "Let Oz and Veruca's deceitful hearts be broken. This way. I conjure thee by the saracen queen And the name of hell. Let them find no love or solace. Let them find no peace as well." It is one thing to try and defend Willow but since Season 2 even, Willow has shown many, many times that she has an affinity towards darker magics (see Willow's "can we pretend it's dangerous?" to Anya in S3), turns to magic to solve turbulent issues in her own life, and does not bother to consult other parties that may be affected by said spells.

*** The issue with Tara was that she had a bit of a controlling streak in her, a need to be right and to be the more knowledgeable one. Take 'Forever', when Dawn, out of her mind with grief, was wanting to resurrect Joyce. Willow and Tara were trying to disuade her, with Willow trying to convince Dawn that it may not even be possible to do so. Tara, meanwhile, was lecturing Dawn (Again, a stubborn teenager who was blinded by her grief and not in the correct frame of mind to understand ethics and morality) on how resurrecting Joyce was WRONG. Fair enough, up until the point where she pretty much browbeat Willow into agreeing with her position. Add that on to some of the other events later in season 5 (such as when Tara lets slip that she doesn't like Willow being so powerful, and Willow stating that Tara makes her feel like the junior partner, that Tara has a need to be 'knowledge woman', and it's not hard to reach the interpretation that Tara was, perhaps subconsciously, trying to keep Willow from outstripping her in fear that Willow would not need her any more.

TARA: (uncertainly) Do ... I act like ... the big knowledge woman?
WILLOW: (weakly) No.
TARA: Is that no spelled Y-E-S?
WILLOW: S-O-R-T of. I mean, I just feel like the-the junior partner. You've been doing everything longer than me. You've been out longer ... you've been practicing witchcraft way longer.
TARA: Oh, but you're way beyond me there! In just a few- I mean ... it frightens me how powerful you're getting.
WILLOW: (frowns) That's a weird word.
TARA: "Getting"?
WILLOW: It frightens you? *I* frighten you?
TARA: That is *so* not what I meant. I meant i-impresses - impressive.
WILLOW: Well, I took Psych 101. I mean, I took it from an evil government scientist who was skewered by her Frankenstein-like creation before the final, but I know what a Freudian slip is.

WILLOW: D-don't you trust me?
TARA: With my life.
WILLOW: That's not what I mean.
TARA: Can't we just go to the fair?
WILLOW: I don't feel real multicultural right now. Wh ... what is it about me that you don't trust?
TARA: It's not that. I worry, sometimes. You're, you're changing so much, so fast. I don't know where you're heading.
WILLOW: Where I'm heading?
TARA: I'm saying everything wrong.
WILLOW: No, I think you're being pretty clear. This isn't about the witchcraft. It's about the other changes in my life.
TARA: I trust you. I just ... (looks down) I don't know where I'm gonna fit in ... in your life when...
WILLOW: When ... I change back? Yeah, this is a college thing, just a, a little experimentation before I get over the thrill and head back to boys' town.

WILLOW: You think that?
TARA: Should I?
WILLOW: I'm really sorry that I didn't establish my lesbo street cred before I got into this relationship. You're the only woman I've ever fallen in love with, so ... how on earth could you ever take me seriously?

Of course, we see the implications that Tara is worry that Willow is outstripping her, and she at no point denies Willow's allegations that she questions Willow's sincerity there. If anyone is in the wrong in that conversation, it's clearly Tara.

*** Here's the quote: TARA: Willow, you are using too much magic. What do you want me to do, just, just sit back and keep my mouth shut?
WILLOW: Well, that'd be a good start.

* Part of the issue is the hypocrisy and inconsistency of the season. Willow messing with people's minds: BAD! Xander having Amy cast a love spell in season 2? FUNNY!!! Xander screws around with magic and summons Sweet, he's not only instantly forgiven, it's never brought up again. This in spite of the fact that it not only caused severe damage to the Scoobies' interpersonal relationships, but it also resulted in the deaths of at least 2 people. Nothing Willow did at that point had cost a life, was anywhere NEAR that ethically questionable. Yet somehow, she was BAD for decorating a room with magic and Xander indirectly kills two people with magic, and it's never brought up again. Willow erasing Tara's memories? EVIL!! Angel doing the same thing TWICE to his own people, that SAME YEAR? No Problem!!! Willow using magic to find Dawn? BAD AND WRONG!!! Tara using magic to find Willow and Xander 4 EPISODES PREVIOUSLY? A-Okay. (And yes, I know Willow's plans to shift people into another dimension were overkill, but Tara's objections were not to the particulars of Willow's plan, but rather to the principle of using magic to find someone itself. Doesn't change the fact that she did the same thing herself not even two months previously.) In short, the entire 'addiction' arc can be summed up as 'Willow is bad and out of control for doing the same things other characters did!!' Bad, bad, BAD writing.

*** Also Willow has never been studious about it. Shes just like "Oh you can do this so lets do it" When the Watchers council in season 5 asked her what level she was at she didn't know what they were talking about. I think Giles is somewhat to blame mind you, a door was opened he should have helped guide her in using magic responsibly not just using it willy nilly and whether someone wanted it or not. I mean the necromancy, she deliberately mislead them at what she would be doing. Then when Giles tells her that something like this could have destroyed her or unleash hell on Earth shes so blase about it.

* Think about it on par with alcoholism or gambling addiction. Its fine, and completely socially acceptable and generally not harmful or self-destructive to have a drink or two every once in a while when you go out... It's another thing entirely when you can't get through the day without a drink. Willow's friends saw that she was overusing magic, and were expressing their concerns. Willow stubbornly (as most addicts do) refused to admit she had a problem, and continued to abuse magic more and more, to her friend's increasing concern. Their worries prove to be justified, when she goes dark-side and flays Warren. (Not to mention she was casting dark spells, and outright disrespecting Tara and breaching their trust when she altered her memory.)

* Is it just me or is the Buffy/Spike house-destroying sex scene in "Smashed" the most spectacularly unsexy thing ever to hit television? It bugs me that people hold it up as the epitome of hotness - it just made me want to gag.

* So, in "Once More With Feeling", everyone is singing because of the demon's magic. After defeating the demon, they sing another song. Shouldn't the magic have gone away?

* A minor quibble, but Xander theorizes that witches could be responsible for their musical woes. Then after a DeathGlare from both Willow and Tara, he meekly backs down and admits that witches are good and therefore not a suspect. Could be considered a red herring to distract from the evil witch appearing at the end of the season, except that they've ''already'' faced at least one evil witch in the show's history. Xander had every reason to at least consider witches as suspects. Is it a legitimate headscratcher, or the show purposely making Xander a doormat and Willow/Tara into hypocrites?

** This was Joss being a JerkAss. Creator/SarahMichelleGellar has a morbid fear of being buried alive. If they had dug the body up beforehand she wouldn't, in story, have to claw her way out of her own grave.

* In Once More, With Feeling, the song "Something to Sing About" gets on my nerves immensely. The song in itself is nice, but the lyrics/meaning to the song don't match it at all. It sounds like a cheery, happy go lucky song about ''wanting a reason to live''. WTH!?
** LyricalDissonance. This troper loved this, and thought that in this case this dissonance had a dual function: first, it conveys Buffy's desperate attempts to pretend that she is glad to be back from the beyond (when actually she is miserable). This struggle is crucial to early sixth season until Buffy reveals at the end of OMWF that [[spoiler:she was in heaven, not hell]]. She may appear happy, but actually listening to her or paying attention to her will reveal that she's pretty disturbed (just like this song). I think its second function (though this may just be me) is as a reference to such musical theatre greats as Music/StephenSondheim, who I believe Whedon is a fan of. Sondheim uses the happy music/sad or angry lyrics technique to great effect with some frequency. For example, a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyl8a140Tc song about murdering people and baking them into pies becomes a cheery waltz]], or a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtl0cetAA cynical look at marriage becomes upbeat]]. More examples of this trope can be viewed on its page, of course, but I think a good example of its success is the acclaimed musical ''Theatre/AvenueQ'', from after OMWF, which used this effect throughout most of its score-- [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJJxL9utow starting with its opening sequence]].

* In season six, Buffy takes a gun away from a bank teller and says, "These? Never useful." Bullshit. The Initiative used ordinary guns to great effect. But guns are evil, and, in his own words, "Magic kicks science's ass." This contradicts the end of season two, in which MugglesDoItBetter. The Initiative is a big, fat case of DesignatedVillain. Whedon, please. Could you try to be subtle? And your "Magic > Science" bit is a [[BrokenAesop Broken]] SpaceWhaleAesop.
** I assume you mean when Buffy killed The Judge with a rocket launcher towards the middle of season two, which was one instance, and hardly an "ordinary gun." And the Initiative didn't use ordinary guns to great effect, they used ordinary guns to extremely mild effect. Maggie brags about Riley having taken down something like seventeen vampires with his big fancy technology, and Riley is probably one of their better soldiers. Even Xander had a higher kill count than that armed with a pointy stick. And they usually operated in teams, and they usually had much more impressive technology than the typical handgun. So a single gun? Rarely useful against vampires and demons. As for the Initiative... they did villainous things. They experimented on Oz, they tried to kill the Slayer, they built a robo-demon-zombie and acted surprised when it turned into a huge prick. It's not designated villainy when the villain does evil shit all the time.

* Ok, so in Season 7 we see several examples of Anya's strength as a vengeance demon. She is able to hold her own against Buffy and even willing to fight with Spike. Why is it then that when Dark Willow grabs her by the throat in the penultimate episode of Season 6, she makes no attempt to fight back. She simply screams at Buffy for help (who is conveniently unconscious for those 5 seconds, after being knocked into a table at a top speed of 3 miles per hour). Anya is a vengeance demon at this time, yet acts like a defenseless human (except she can teleport). She is even knocked out easily multiple times, despite the fact that a sword to her chest does nothing.

** Anya had only just returned to [[BuffySpeak vengeance-demon-ing]] very recently in "Two To Go" and it's possible that the strength of said demon was coming back to her very slowly. Alternatively, it's plausible that Willow is using some spell to hold her in place, like she had tried to do to Glory the previous season. [[TakeAThirdOption Alternatively]] [[RuleOfThree again]], Anya's former fiancé's best friend is going on a murderous rampage, and Anya is simply not coping at all.

* Starting with her confession to Spike that she thought she was in Heaven (which for some reason she decided to keep from her friends, when she admits it later in "Once More With Feeling" its not really treated all that bad but if it had been said earlier they could have used it as a reason against Willow reckless use of magic, in a sense that Willow would have gotten a gut-punch on the whole "Just because you can, Doesn't mean you should" front, having your best friend break down and cry because you just got yanked out of eternal peace would certainly fix your priorities) and she was at peace because she knew her friends were safe and fine, Heaven must have some awesome drugs if what the Scoobies were going through was anything near fine, she was only dead for what 150 days or so. In that time Willow had already started on her little arrogant run and abusing magic, Tara was near the end of her rope dealing with Willow, Dawn was a mess when Buffy died, Xander was already losing the confidence he gained from having Buffy around.Plus the huge factor that would make anyone uneasy, they still live in Sunny Dale where so many people die it is literally a running gag in the series.Buffy says she was at peace with all this other shit going on, that's just dumb.

** During the season she accidentally makes Tara her secret keeper, which sounds like a good thing, but none of them are good secrets they are all "Im sleeping with Spike" "Im to damaged to live" what-ever, Tara's only interaction with Buffy is to be a sounding board for Buffy's own problems. Which is a pretty shitty thing to do considering she has her own problems, she moved out of a nice home with her girl friend and more or less adopted daughter, school problems, money issues and Buffy uses her as a free psychiatrist.
** Xander's wedding also comes to mind, instead of doing anything I don't know constructive, like asking if anyone has seen Xander maybe do a bit of detective work which is basically what she does all the time anyway, or go looking for him, I doubt he could have gotten far, and talking some sense in to him, like the future isnt set in stone, seeing as how shes laughed at prophecies and visions of the future before, but no, she decides to play charades in front of the crowd, how is this helpful, it's played for laughs but damn this is just a waste of a superhero.

** The Dark Willow saga just brings this front and center, seeing as how Willow calls her on everything and Buffy even admits some fault of her own to Giles. But the chain of events that make it worse are this, Willow loses the most important person in her life, she then brings Buffy back from the brink of death, AGAIN. Buffy's response to Willow's near uncontrollable grief and rage is to immediately start attacking her, telling her that "We dont kill humans""If you do this you won't come back""Let the law Deal with it" considering Willow has heard these types of speeches before she knows that they usually precede the bad guy getting his ass kicked. Buffy is being about as far from a comforting mature friend as one can possible be. Oh and after things get about as worse as they can for Willow, Buffy and Giles take a few minutes to go in the back, talk for a few minutes and then laugh uproariously while her best friend is in incredible emotional hell, and a breaking free of a spell away to crossing a {{Moral Event Horizon}} . Hell Willow should have killed Buffy then for being so dead inside I dont think it would have made much of a difference.

* In ''Once more with feeling'', why is Anya so intent in "never telling" Xander about his faults? We're talking about the usually extremely blunt Anya here!

** The meta reason is likely that having her there would've stolen the spotlight from Xander and Anya, it would have felt like a cheap gimmick once the wedding's derailment went through, plus Anya and Cordelia would have a really weird dynamic to write around (Anya kinda knows Cordelia thanks to "The Wish", but Cordelia wouldn't know her, and it'd just be an awkward situation to deal with). I can't remember if the Groo vacation thing was written for Charisma Carpenter, but if so, she might also have been unavailable for filming. But as for an in-universe reason: the moment Anya found out Cordelia was Xander's ex-girlfriend, she probably wouldn't let her within 50 miles of their wedding.

*** "Just one night when superbitch woudn't show up!" Pretty much everything Warren says during the fight in "Seeing Red" is sexist comments.

*** Agreed. When Katrina tells them that what they're doing is rape, Jonathan and Andrew react with horror, but Warren doesn't. They honestly didn't even make the connection, but Warren knew perfectly well what he was doing. And mind controlling his ex-girlfriend and dressing her in a skimpy maid's outfit while forcing her to call him "master" is pretty damn misogynistic.

* The PsychoLesbian trope being used repeatedly in regards to Dark Willow. Dark Willow has been foreshadowed all the way from the first episode she did a spell, Becoming Part 2. Giles insists it will not end well to open that door, and in Lovers Walk, we already see Xander pointing out how immoral Willow is being by trying to fix everything with magic. I never bought the magic = drugs storyline, and I feel it was a cop out to make none of it Willow's fault. If they had continued with Dark Willow appearing because of Willow's own flaws and being power hungry, I would have loved it. But I digress, it seems like they were trying to lead up to Dark Willow from day one. It just so happened that she needed something to push her off the edge, and it had to be Tara's death. The Dark Willow storyline is not about a lesbian going psycho after having sex, its about a girl whose own flaws brought her down, and that girl just happened to be a lesbian. And the having sex bit is just Joss's way of screwing with us, making the characters happy before bringing them down. Remember Angelus?

* Buffy wants to die at the end of Bargaining to go back to Heaven, thinking Earth is Hell. However, she sees Dawn in danger and rescues her. Which makes sense from Earth's standards, where death is painful, however, Buffy herself has experienced. If I came back from Heaven, I'd personally kill my whole family so that they can experience it with me. And why doesn't she just kill herself after saving Dawn? Season 6 and 7 becomes one giant plothole after considering this.

* Just a side effect of the Seasonal Rot in season six, but Tara chewing out Willow for using magic, but never actually giving up on it herself bugs me. The writers probably needed to push the Magic=Drugs storyline, but it does bring down my opinion of Tara, given her own abuse of magic to make her friends not see demons a season earlier.

* In "Normal Again", Buffy says that she had gone into an asylum for a few weeks after she met her first vampires. When was this? It oughtn't have been between the movie and her move to Sunnydale, because she had already been in Slayer Mode for some time and there were many witnesses to the whole thing, and it would be an incredible coincidence if she was attacked by vampires and survived prior to becoming a Slayer. I've read the canon version of what happened, but I don't have it to check if there were any fewer witnesses to the attackers actually being vampires (and no undusted bodies were in the ruins, or she would have been imprisoned, or at least not allowed out of the mental hospital). However, even in the canon version she had been training with Merrick for some time, and while it would be possible that she had a small breakdown after [[spoiler: Merrick died]], she would have had to have been completely ostracised by the people who had been terrorized by the vampires to not have ''any'' confirmation, if any who had been near them during the attack (as opposed to cowering in a corner far from the "gang of PCP addicts") had survived.

* So, in "Seeing Red", Spike tries to rape Buffy. This rape attempt goes on for a few minutes, during which time Buffy is shouting either "No" or "Help." The entire episode Willow is adamant about not getting up, and therefore she and Tara, two ridiculously powerful witches, are just a few rooms down. Given that they live in a town where someone shouting for help is very likely to be something ''very'' bad, why did they not come running to the rescue?

* Something that annoyed me throughout season 6 and 7, especially season 7 episode "Him" and the whole abandonment thing Dawn had in season 6: Has everyone magically forgotten that Buffy ''died for Dawn?'' She sacrificed her life to save her little sister, and while I realize that the writers have to keep them fighting to appeal to the viewers in some senses, how can Dawn still be a brat to Buffy after she died for her sake? Just a little irritating.

** Unfortunately we do kind of live in a "what have you done for me lately?" type of world. Dawn's actually fine most of the time in the first eight or so episodes of Season 6. It's only ''after'' Tara leaves that Buffy and Willow's problems escalate. It's around then that they're too busy dealing with their own problems. Likewise Xander and Anya are wrapped up in their jobs and planning a wedding. Giles also isn't around either. So Dawn has been used to having at least a big group of adults around her to talk to and spend time with her. In a quick space of time, one of them leaves, another she abruptly has to see less of and the rest are all absorbed in their own problems. And this is only a few months after her mother abruptly passed away. She's been in the middle of a huge TraumaCongaLine and she feels abandoned.

* Just a minor thing, but during the song "Something to Sing About" in "Once More with Feeling," there's a point where Buffy looks at the camera and says "and you can sing along." Who is she talking to? Is she breaking the fourth wall to talk to the viewers? Is she talking to Sweet or Dawn? It's always really distracting for me.

* In "Entropy", Anya is trying to find someone to wish vengeance on Xander, preferably a female someone. She complains that she cannot find anyone to Halfrek. Halfrek. The demon that has no problem with Xander getting hurt. The ''female'' demon that has no problem with Xander getting hurt and is Anya's friend and is looking to help her out with her vengeance. You see where I'm going with this?

*** Actually, in "Older and Far Away", Halfrek mentions that most vengeance demons "try to be a little more well-rounded", and that only Anya had a specific 'territory'. Although it's kinda vague, as when asked about it, she says "It's not a thing, the children need me". But it's not really a rule as such.

* In "Life Serial," why is the mummy hand just lying/crawling around in the storeroom? Shouldn't it be in a cage or something? If ''Buffy'' had such a hard time with it, how would any of the others be expected to get it for a customer? Maybe there's some way to deal with it she doesn't know about, but then, no one tells her. It's a relatively minor complaint that ''does'' make for a ''hilarious'' montage, but really ...

The way the Scoobies treat Jonathan in "Two To Go" bothers me. He saved Buffy from a powered-up Warren the day before, he had no knowledge of Tara's murder, yet for the rest of the episode, Buffy and Xander talk to him and about him like he handed Warren the gun, and all he wants to do is help them.

*** I don't know if she was past reason so much as the other characters never had a good argument, that and the fact when people did try to reason with her, it ended up with them threatening her, or trying to beat her down. Look at Buffy's argument that there are human laws to deal with humans, yeah tell that to Amy's mom, or Ford when he sold her out to Spike, or the 10 or so Knights of Byzantine she killed, and her life is worth living speech which was so awesomely called out on by Willow, everyone was such a hypocrite no wonder she didn't listen. Willow didn't really know anything, when Tara died all she knew was that it was Warren, who was in Warren's little gang, Jonathan and Andrew, she didn't have any reason to think other wise, besides their pleas of innocence which doesn't mean anything, people lie.She also never mocked Tara's death, she just said what everyone was thinking, that we were all sick of her whining, what she was saying was a little harsh though, that even though Dawn missed Tara and felt horrible that she's dead, it couldn't even compare with what Willow was going through. And Giles plan to take her back to the coven seem smart, but that's until you realize her could have imbued Willow with some of the good magics when he had her in the force field thingy and called it a day, but drama and all that.

* The whole thing is Buffy carrying the mother of all {{Conflict Ball}}, the whole thing is a complete parallel of Buffy/Faith Season 3, Faith/Warren kills or at least comes close to killing Angel/Tara, Buffy/Willow go to extreme measures to get revenge, it's only because Buffy lacks follow through that Faith didn't die. So Buffy should have a clear understanding of how the whole thing was going to play out, but for some reason she decided to plant herself firmly in the killing is wrong even though due to either her direct actions or indirect actions have led to quite a few people coming down with a case of death, her buddy Ford from Season 2, everyone who Spike, Drusilla or any other villain she let go for some reason.
** Also if Willow didn't kill him someone else would have, Buffy can blather on all she wants about let the law handle it, but if Dawn had died Buffy would have killed him, if Willow had died Xander would have killed him, it just so happens that Joss put a bulls-eye on Tara so it was up to Willow, same goes for Jonathan and Andrew, they would both have Buffy's fist sized holes in their spines or in Xander's case military training occurs and their pretty little brains are all over the place, it wouldn't even be that surprising Buffy threatened to kill Giles if he tried to come near Dawn in Season 5, Xander threatened to kill Buffy all the way back in Season 2, the whole {{ThouShaltNotKill}} attitude Buffy has is hypocritical.

*** Thank you, a lot of people myself included are trying to justify the fact that the "Trio" didn't deserve saving because well, they didn't. Your completely right though, something I thought about when watching it the first time, every one is way to combative to get any meaningful words said, and the second Willow goes off on people they immediately go on the defensive or try to start a fight with her, not exactly the greatest way to start a meaningful dialogue. I'd like to think the whole true magic equals allowing Willow to reach emotions other than rage and grief was a bit of a lie, and that Xander would have talked her down regardless, just because he's the only character who showed an emotion directed towards her. Alot of the magical abuse shenanigans though, as with most things that are new and awesome, like drinking, gambling, or even a simple thing like a new computer she would have gotten over that, a lot of things that got heaped on Willow's lap were just narrative convenience, she had to be the one to bring Buffy back, or it would have been a carbon copy of the way Angel was brought back, and no one like a {{DeusExMachina}}. What makes this whole thread and almost half the page pointless, is that the writers had such a huge way out of it that it makes your brain bleed a bit, Anya, the wish granting ,reality altering vengeance demon, The Patron Saint of Women Scorned, Dark Willow would have been her all time client, just Wish Warren had never come to Sunny Dale or that he had never been born, or just that his gun was switched with blanks or that he was simply denied a gun to begin with. Now I understand that Joss has this thing against happy endings like they killed his mother with his new puppy while forcing him to watch or something, but the season was already such a downer that I don't think Willow getting a happy ending would have ruined the balance to much, it wouldn't even have to be consequence free, just have her remember everything then let her angst her way into Season 7, people may hate a {{DeusExMachina}} but they may have hated seeing Willow flay a dude alive a bit more.

* I know complex thoughts aren't always Spike's big point but when the chip malfunctions, or Spike learns subconsciously to trick it (which this troper finds equally plausible as Buffy came back wrong. Though that's more a WMG than Just bugs me. Anyway he goes to Warren whom he knows is a genius capable of building the Buffy Bot to check the status of his chip when he finds out he can hurt Buffy with out it activating. Warren is capable of some off screen process that lets him read the chip which leads to him pointing out that it's still fully functional. Why didn't Spike ask him to turn it off. Sure maybe it can't be done but for it would have taken two seconds and two lines of text to clear this up.

* Riley comes to Sunnydale to show off his new bride, who is the daughter of Xena and Einstein. He rubs Buffy's nose with the fact that Buffy is being a skanky ho. His official mission is that the VillainOfTheWeek has a plan to destroy the World. And the Villain is Spike. 4 years of character development down the pan. But it is conveniently forgotten next week.

** Spike's plan wasn't to destroy the world. It was to make money by selling some valuable demon eggs he had happened to come across. Remember in Doublemeat Palace when he objected to Buffy working in that place, saying "I can get money"? This was how he was going to do it. It's entirely consistent with his character development up to this point. What doesn't make sense is how the hell Spike, of all people, is in contact with a bunch of foreign governments who want to buy the eggs.

* It's been several months since the end of Buffy Season 5. Why is that tower still up? It was built by crazy people without city permission. Why would the city leave something so unsafe standing around? And IIRC, the thing crashes to the ground with little provocation. How did something so unstable last that many months?

* There is a scene in "Wrecked" where Willow is taking what is clearly a ShowerOfAngst. Question: Is it a ShowerOfAngst because of the dru... dark magic, or is it because Rack found himself lost beneath her Willow tree.

* Ok. Giles tells Anya that he's dying either from the asskicking he just received from Dark Willow or from her yoinking his powers. I'll buy that; he certainly acts and looks like he's dying. Then, at the end of the episode, he just sits back up and walks out with surprisingly little help from Anya. What the hell happened? Did Willow choosing not to destroy the world somehow heal him? Anya even brings this up, but he just answers her about why the rest of the world isn't dead. And even if he'd been wrong that he was dying, he still looked pretty bad and spent the last half of that episode going in and out of consciousness. How did he just get up and walk away?

*** Ok, that makes sense, except it was never said. About Willows powers poisoning him.

* Maybe it has something to do with {{Motive Decay}} like at first it made complete sense that Willow go after Warren with a blind fury, pretty much nothing in the world was going to get in her way, then after she succeeds in obliterating him she goes after the other two, which to the viewer seems a little harsh because Warren had killed Tara all on his own and pretty much left the other two to rot, but to Willow they were all in the same gang, she always saw them together, they were always part of their schemes so why wouldn't she think they were a part of the whole show up at Buffy's house and start shooting plan. After she fails at killing them she takes the weird leap in logic, thanks to Giles, that destroying the Earth seems like a good plan, because when she decides to do that it makes the past episodes pointless I mean Warren and the other two would have died if the planet goes up in smoke, it's like having a 4 step plan where killing Warren and the other two are steps 1-3 and ending the world is step 4, step 4 would have accomplished the other 3 goals pretty quickly, it kind of takes away from the impact of Warren's gruesome death to know that he would have burned anyway in the last episode.

* In Villains Warren is completely desperate to escape from Willow, and the show makes it clear that he is pulling out every trick he has to fight, run or both. We see some super-science devices, a robot double and some spells he bought from Rack... but what happened to the gun? Did he just forget he had it? Sure it wouldn't have worked, and he probably lost some faith in it after it failed to kill Buffy, but he's desperate enough that he's hitting her with everything he has, up to and including a ''freaking hatchet'', the gun should have at least gotten a mention.

Okay in the episode "once more with Feeling" Xander calls a singing demon and he knows that (but the other Scoobies and the audience only find out later) when there is a singing number "I've got a theory" where everybody (well, except Tara who gets interrupted by Anya's epic "bunnies" solo) voices their theory what could be responsible for all the singing and dancing; starting with Giles who ''nails it in the first try''. Now it is either stated or heavily implied that the songs are not entirely controllable and that the people who sing inadvertently blurt out stuff they wanted to hold in (exhibit A: "I'll never tell", exhibit B: Buffy singing about being yanked out of heaaaaaven). How then is it possible for Xander to "lie" in this song by giving a "theory" which in that moment he knows is wrong, what's more, why doesn't he immediately after Giles voices his theory blurt out a solo going "Yeah, Giles is right!"? I mean I know the Doylist explanation, that the episode would be over or take a very different tone if Xander couldn't hold it in, but what's the Watsonian explanation?

*** He wasn't lying, there's a moment in Selfless that shows him talking in his sleep that confirms he did it.

Hasn't it been like, only a year or so since he and Buffy broke up? How has he already found not just another girlfriend, but one he's committed to enough to ''marry''?

When and how did Spike suddenly learn how to seduce Buffy? Sure, he'd been able to seduce to other girls in the past, but season 5 pretty firmly established that when he really likes the girl, he's hopeless and can barely cobble together a LameComeback. Now all of the sudden, he's pretty smooth and knows exactly how to to play up his bad boy charm to appeal to Buffy? Where did that come from?

*** In conclusion, Spike's character arc doesn't follow a conventional path until he has a soul. He never ''really'' develops the capacity to want to be good just because it was right, that would completely break the lore BTVS built for vampires. Spike's arc is about the conflict between wanting to do right for Buffy and Dawn--good people who he, despite being evil, happened to grow very fond of--and his nature as a soulless vampire. Him being "The Doctor" is actually a perfect representation of his character at that point; he's trying to help take care of Buffy by getting her the money she needs to support Dawn, an act of love, but he doesn't care that the money is made through a dangerous demon black market because he's still evil. Much as I loathe the episode, "Seeing Red" is what makes him realize that he, by his very nature, hurts those he loves and no amount of pretending to be good will change that. His dedication to his emotional bond is so strong that upon realizing that '''he''' is the problem, it gives him the drive to truly change that nature permanently.

** Less than one season ago, Buffy was arm-twisting and blackmailing Quentin Travers to get Giles reinstated and get him his back pay. Coming back now and asking Travers for a favor, especially a monetary one, is probably not going to end well. In general, the Council is supposed to support the Slayer, yes. But in Buffy's specific case, her relationship with the Council has always been antagonistic at best. If it wasn't for the part where killing Buffy wouldn't Call another Slayer at this point, they'd probably be praying for her death. In fact, Faith's existence and the Council's failure to kill her thanks to Angel is probably the only reason Buffy has avoided Council hit teams as a 'rogue Slayer' ''this'' long; they can't afford to dispose of her until they can get a replacement Slayer to the Hellmouth, and they can't do that until Faith either rejoins them or dies (both of which they've already tried and failed at).[[/folder]]

*** Spike may not be the brightest bulb but he's not stupid enough to give the guy with the ability to build fully functional, realistic, borderline sentient robots and no morals full access to the chip that regulates his behaviour. That's like saying 'Please enslave me'. It's one thing to try and get Adam to take it out, Adam had the ability and had nothing to really gain from it, being vastly more powerful than Spike already with an army of minions to cmmand, Warren had two lackies who were useless in combat, Spike would have been a great prize for him.

* season 6 shows Joss' opinion of Sci Fi fans.
** Not really. Note that Xander seems to be fans of many of the same things as the Trio and yet is a normal and decent guy. Really, it show's Joss's opinion of FanDumb members and those who speak mostly in quotes.

** LyricalDissonance. This troper loved this, and thought that in this case this dissonance had a dual function: first, it conveys Buffy's desperate attempts to pretend that she is glad to be back from the beyond (when actually she is miserable). This struggle is crucial to early sixth season until Buffy reveals at the end of OMWF that [[spoiler:she was in heaven, not hell]]. She may appear happy, but actually listening to her or paying attention to her will reveal that she's pretty disturbed (just like this song). I think its second function (though this may just be me) is as a reference to such musical theatre greats as StephenSondheim, who I believe Whedon is a fan of. Sondheim uses the happy music/sad or angry lyrics technique to great effect with some frequency. For example, a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyl8a140Tc song about murdering people and baking them into pies becomes a cheery waltz]], or a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtl0cetAA cynical look at marriage becomes upbeat]]. More examples of this trope can be viewed on its page, of course, but I think a good example of its success is the acclaimed musical ''Theatre/AvenueQ'', from after OMWF, which used this effect throughout most of its score-- [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJJxL9utow starting with its opening sequence]].

** Rack is also slimier that every single drug dealer ever. You could have TheAggressiveDrugDealer, those who hook people on drugs ForTheEvulz, you could have [[{{Underbelly}} Carl Williams,]] even if there was no sex involved could you blame Willow for feeling the need to take a shower? It'd be like meeting Hannibal Lecter.

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** It's no TrueBlood that's for sure. Keep in mind it was a few years ago now, so I guess it was considered edgier at the time.

** Because their relationship had very clear and evident problems, which were heavily forshadowed and elaborated on throughout not only this season but those prior as well. They had not one, but two musical numbers dedicated to the immense baggage they were each taking into the relationship. Xander [[FreudWasRight grew up in an extremely dysfunctional and abusive household]] which gave him a warped perspective of marriage, crippling fears about becoming his parents and the need overcompensate for his insecurities as a man. Anya spent thousands of years as a high-functioning sociopath torturing, antagonizing and murdering men [[DoesNotLikeMen under the fervent belief that all men are evil]] and all relationships are inherently doomed. Yes, it was PlayedForLaughs but do people [[FanDumb really find it shocking that they didn't last?]]