History Headscratchers / BuffySeason6

5th Mar '18 4:17:44 PM nombretomado
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** LyricalDissonance. This troper loved this, and thought that in this case this dissonance had a dual function: first, it conveys Buffy's desperate attempts to pretend that she is glad to be back from the beyond (when actually she is miserable). This struggle is crucial to early sixth season until Buffy reveals at the end of OMWF that [[spoiler:she was in heaven, not hell]]. She may appear happy, but actually listening to her or paying attention to her will reveal that she's pretty disturbed (just like this song). I think its second function (though this may just be me) is as a reference to such musical theatre greats as StephenSondheim, who I believe Whedon is a fan of. Sondheim uses the happy music/sad or angry lyrics technique to great effect with some frequency. For example, a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyl8a140Tc song about murdering people and baking them into pies becomes a cheery waltz]], or a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtl0cetAA cynical look at marriage becomes upbeat]]. More examples of this trope can be viewed on its page, of course, but I think a good example of its success is the acclaimed musical ''Theatre/AvenueQ'', from after OMWF, which used this effect throughout most of its score-- [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJJxL9utow starting with its opening sequence]].

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** LyricalDissonance. This troper loved this, and thought that in this case this dissonance had a dual function: first, it conveys Buffy's desperate attempts to pretend that she is glad to be back from the beyond (when actually she is miserable). This struggle is crucial to early sixth season until Buffy reveals at the end of OMWF that [[spoiler:she was in heaven, not hell]]. She may appear happy, but actually listening to her or paying attention to her will reveal that she's pretty disturbed (just like this song). I think its second function (though this may just be me) is as a reference to such musical theatre greats as StephenSondheim, Music/StephenSondheim, who I believe Whedon is a fan of. Sondheim uses the happy music/sad or angry lyrics technique to great effect with some frequency. For example, a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gyl8a140Tc song about murdering people and baking them into pies becomes a cheery waltz]], or a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuTtl0cetAA cynical look at marriage becomes upbeat]]. More examples of this trope can be viewed on its page, of course, but I think a good example of its success is the acclaimed musical ''Theatre/AvenueQ'', from after OMWF, which used this effect throughout most of its score-- [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJJxL9utow starting with its opening sequence]].
3rd Mar '18 11:46:01 AM nombretomado
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** Rack is also slimier that every single drug dealer ever. You could have TheAggressiveDrugDealer, those who hook people on drugs ForTheEvulz, you could have [[{{Underbelly}} Carl Williams,]] even if there was no sex involved could you blame Willow for feeling the need to take a shower? It'd be like meeting Hannibal Lecter.

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** Rack is also slimier that every single drug dealer ever. You could have TheAggressiveDrugDealer, those who hook people on drugs ForTheEvulz, you could have [[{{Underbelly}} [[Series/{{Underbelly}} Carl Williams,]] even if there was no sex involved could you blame Willow for feeling the need to take a shower? It'd be like meeting Hannibal Lecter.
4th Feb '18 12:42:52 PM 64SuperNintendo
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15th Dec '17 4:58:50 PM zegram333
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**I may well be wrong but my take was Xander is lying to take the fall and bluff Sweet. Partially because of what you said, but Sweet also repeatedly strokes the necklace Dawn stole when he's explaining that he was summoned by his charm, so unless Xander stole the same charm, summoned Sweet with it (can Xander even do that sort of thing?) and then put it back just in time for Dawn to steal it.... seems more likely he's doing his whole "big brother" thing again, to me at least
11th Sep '17 6:28:20 AM Jhonny
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[[folder: What's up with Xander's "theory"]]
Okay in the episode "once more with Feeling" Xander calls a singing demon and he knows that (but the other Scoobies and the audience only find out later) when there is a singing number "I've got a theory" where everybody (well, except Tara who gets interrupted by Anya's epic "bunnies" solo) voices their theory what could be responsible for all the singing and dancing; starting with Giles who ''nails it in the first try''. Now it is either stated or heavily implied that the songs are not entirely controllable and that the people who sing inadvertently blurt out stuff they wanted to hold in (exhibit A: "I'll never tell", exhibit B: Buffy singing about being yanked out of heaaaaaven). How then is it possible for Xander to "lie" in this song by giving a "theory" which in that moment he knows is wrong, what's more, why doesn't he immediately after Giles voices his theory blurt out a solo going "Yeah, Giles is right!"? I mean I know the Doylist explanation, that the episode would be over or take a very different tone if Xander couldn't hold it in, but what's the Watsonian explanation?
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10th Jun '17 1:05:52 PM moonypadfootprongs
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*** You mean like how sympathetic Willow was to Buffy after Buffy was traumatized from having to kill Angel to save the world?
15th May '17 8:05:55 PM nombretomado
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** It's no TrueBlood that's for sure. Keep in mind it was a few years ago now, so I guess it was considered edgier at the time.

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** It's no TrueBlood ''Series/TrueBlood'' that's for sure. Keep in mind it was a few years ago now, so I guess it was considered edgier at the time.
2nd Jan '17 1:53:49 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Because their relationship had very clear and evident problems, which were heavily forshadowed and elaborated on throughout not only this season but those prior as well. They had not one, but two musical numbers dedicated to the immense baggage they were each taking into the relationship. Xander [[FreudWasRight grew up in an extremely dysfunctional and abusive household]] which gave him a warped perspective of marriage, crippling fears about becoming his parents and the need overcompensate for his insecurities as a man. Anya spent thousands of years as a high-functioning sociopath torturing, antagonizing and murdering men [[DoesNotLikeMen under the fervent belief that all men are evil]] and all relationships are inherently doomed. Yes, it was PlayedForLaughs but do people [[FanDumb really find it shocking that they didn't last?]]

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** Because their relationship had very clear and evident problems, which were heavily forshadowed and elaborated on throughout not only this season but those prior as well. They had not one, but two musical numbers dedicated to the immense baggage they were each taking into the relationship. Xander [[FreudWasRight grew up in an extremely dysfunctional and abusive household]] household which gave him a warped perspective of marriage, crippling fears about becoming his parents and the need overcompensate for his insecurities as a man. Anya spent thousands of years as a high-functioning sociopath torturing, antagonizing and murdering men [[DoesNotLikeMen under the fervent belief that all men are evil]] and all relationships are inherently doomed. Yes, it was PlayedForLaughs but do people [[FanDumb really find it shocking that they didn't last?]]
22nd Apr '16 3:02:21 PM aidansean
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** Anya was focusing on reciting the spell and holding the shop's most valuable book (both in terms of utility and probably monetary value) at the time. Stopping reciting the spell to fight with Willow might break the protection covering Andrew and Jonathan, so Anya waited until the final second, by which time it was too late to fight back.
3rd Apr '16 2:54:42 PM ading
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** I thought it was particularly glaring that Willow during her brutal honesty speeches that she didn't call out the other character for their brushed under the rug killings and attempted killings, like Buffy, after Faith almost kills Angel, Buffy stabs Faith in the stomach, Faith was human she only lived because she fell off the roof, if she hadn't Buffy would have drained the bitch and fed her blood to Angel, then all those {{Well Intentioned Extremist}} she kills in Season 5 they were human too, and depending on your perspective they were the damn good guys, and again with Buffy trying to murder everyone in "Normal Again"(Jesus Buffy should have been put down months before Willow turned dark). I also always got the feeling that when Giles tells Ben that Buffy is not like them, that Giles might have killed his fair share of people. and Xander with his summoning of Sweets which killed a few people, people that wouldn't have died if Xander had done nothing. Anya and Spike who between the two of them have a millenniums worth of death and destruction between them. It just seems that there tons of actual conflict (Emotional Conflict not actual violence because in all honesty the 4 or 5 non-punches that Buffy and Willow threw just seemed a little weird) the story line could have brought up, but instead it showed the I don't know long awaited fight between Willow and Buffy, I don't know because I didn't watch the show when it first aired so I don't know if that was a real thing people were buzzing about.

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** I thought it was particularly glaring that Willow during her brutal honesty speeches that she didn't call out the other character for their brushed under the rug killings and attempted killings, like Buffy, after Faith almost kills Angel, Buffy stabs Faith in the stomach, stomach. Faith was human human, she only lived because she fell off the roof, roof; if she hadn't Buffy would have drained the bitch and fed her blood to Angel, then Angel. Then all those {{Well Intentioned Extremist}} she kills in Season 5 5, they were human too, and depending on your perspective they were the damn good guys, and again with Buffy trying to murder everyone in "Normal Again"(Jesus Buffy should have been put down months before Willow turned dark). I also always got the feeling that when Giles tells Ben that Buffy is not like them, that Giles might have killed his fair share of people. people, and Xander with his summoning of Sweets Sweet which killed a few people, people that wouldn't have died if Xander had done nothing. Anya and Spike who Spike, between the two of them them, have a millenniums worth of death and destruction between them. It just seems that there was tons of actual conflict (Emotional Conflict not actual violence because in all honesty the 4 or 5 non-punches that Buffy and Willow threw just seemed a little weird) the story line could have brought up, but instead it showed the the, I don't know know, long awaited fight between Willow and Buffy, Buffy? I don't know because I didn't watch the show when it first aired aired, so I don't know if that was a real thing people were buzzing about.about.
*** Buffy wasn't saying that taking a human life under any circumstances is unforgivable. She will kill in self-defence or in the defense of innocent lives, but she is not an executioner; she won't kill a human in cold blood simply because "they deserve it". Buffy trying to kill Faith wasn't to avenge Angel, it was because she needed to feed Angel slayer blood in order to cure him. She killed the Knights of Byzantium to defend herself and Dawn, it was not a premeditated murder. Buffy was undergoing temporary insanity in "Normal Again", so she can't really be held responsible for her actions, and bringing it up wouldn't exactly prove anything since no one, including Buffy, would really dispute that Buffy had been in the wrong at the time. Xander's killings were accidental, again he never murdered someone in cold blood, and even so he had already acknowledged in previous episodes that he was in the wrong, so invoking it would not justify anything. Giles only got involved after Willow started targeting people whose only crime was being friends with Warren, so by that point any attempt to argue that her victims "deserved it" had gone out the window, but we don't know if he's actually killed a number of people (or if so, whether or not Willow knows) and what the circumstances were, so it's unclear how justified this was. Spike never had any conflict with Dark Willow, and even if he did everyone knew he was evil, so comparing him to Dark Willow would if anything support the idea that Willow was in the wrong. Anya only killed people when she was a demon, so bringing that up would hardly make Willow look any better. Bringing any of these things up would be less brutal honesty and more petty rules-lawyering.
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