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* Is the [=DomZ=] Priest the Spirit Eater? At first, Peepers' reaction suggested the reaper was the spirit eater, but the M Disc claims that its taming is proof of the spirit eater's existence. Or is Double H's torture machine a Spirit Eater?
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* Is the [=DomZ=] Priest the Spirit Eater? At first, Peepers' reaction suggested the reaper was the spirit eater, one, but the M Disc claims that its taming is proof of the spirit eater's existence. Spirit Eater's presence. Or is Double H's torture machine a Spirit Eater?
Eater, and the reaper's presence somehow proof of such a machine's existence?
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*** One line is not something you can make a firm case out of, but it is stressed by Hahn that members of the IRIS Network take precautions to make sure no one person holds all the cards. It's possible that, while he was on the Moon Base, Pey'j simply didn't have time or reason to mask his voice.
*** That's not a given. The Word dismisses them as elaborate hoaxes, not as manipulated images, which could just as well mean that they want people to think the shots were of staged actors and designed sets. There's also the possibility that the Hillyans have technology designed to counter any tampering done onto photos. Lastly, it's part of the plot that more and more photographic evidence convinces more and more Hillyans that they're true.
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* What exactly are [=DomZ=], and how do they work? On the one hand, the sarcophagi, teratosaurus, and the reaper are treated as autonomous species when you photograph them for the science report, and the pterolimax doesn't look much like a [=DomZ=] beast at all despite being described as one. On the other hand, the lighthouse [=DomZ=] and its cousins in the Factory (one of which buds off a pearl that morphs into Metal Gear [=DomZ=]) don't have the same treatment, and seem to be puppet bodies used by the [=DomZ=] Priest. Add on to that the fact that they can infect hosts like diseases and even rebuild bodies that way, and it becomes a little harder to work out whether a [=DomZ=] is a creature with a specific and characteristic disease, a coalition of species, a superorganism controlled by the Priest, or a mixture. So again, what are they?
* Is the [=DomZ=] Priest the Spirit Eater? At first, Peepers' reaction suggested the reaper was the spirit eater, but the M Disc claims that its taming is proof of the spirit eater's existence. Or is Double H's torture machine a Spirit Eater?
* How did Double H, a soldier with some experience and IRIS' best agent, get beaten by a reaper when a girl with no armour, no hammer, and only a few discs and a less powerful stick managed to kill it outright?
* What are the Alpha Sections' yellow backpacks for? It's implied in some scenes that they use the special gas mixture to breathe, but members turn up without them, [=DomZ=] seem perfectly capable of breathing normal gas, and at least two infected soldiers move around without helmets on at all.
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* How did Double H, a soldier with some experience and IRIS' best agent, get beaten by a reaper when a girl with no armour, no hammer, and only a few discs and a less powerful stick managed to kill it outright?
* What are the Alpha Sections' yellow backpacks for? It's implied in some scenes that they use the special gas mixture to breathe, but members turn up without them, [=DomZ=] seem perfectly capable of breathing normal gas, and at least two infected soldiers move around without helmets on at all.
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*** On the other hand, the game is all about a campaign of disinformation by the DomZ. This can be another layer.
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*** On the other hand, the game is all about a campaign of disinformation by the DomZ.[=DomZ=]. This can be another layer.
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* This troper actually interpreted the ending as a big XanatosGambit on the [=DomZ=]' part. All this about Jade/Shani having the power to bring people back to life is a lie: think about it, the only person who tells you about it is the freshly-resurrected Pey'J, and he has some [=DomZ=] growth on him in the ending. [=DomZ=] have exhibited some mind-control ability in the game, so it's not too far out to expect there to be some less obvious form of such an infestation. The other people you save are probably infested as well, and the whole Alpha Section plan was probably that stupid deliberately so someone could defeat them, lull Hillys into a false sense of peace and create and implant a good number of undercover [=DomZ=] agents. Is there some extra info I'm missing?
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* This troper actually interpreted the ending as a big XanatosGambit ThePlan on the [=DomZ=]' part. All this about Jade/Shani having the power to bring people back to life is a lie: think about it, the only person who tells you about it is the freshly-resurrected Pey'J, and he has some [=DomZ=] growth on him in the ending. [=DomZ=] have exhibited some mind-control ability in the game, so it's not too far out to expect there to be some less obvious form of such an infestation. The other people you save are probably infested as well, and the whole Alpha Section plan was probably that stupid deliberately so someone could defeat them, lull Hillys into a false sense of peace and create and implant a good number of undercover [=DomZ=] agents. Is there some extra info I'm missing?
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** It is entirely possible that all the vending machines in the game have been supplied by a private company. Using any of those vending machines does indeed leave a record, but the data is sent to the company, not the Alpha Section. Since Jade always pays for the items she receives, they have no reason to suspect anything strange is going on, and as a private enterprise, they are not obliged to report to the Alpha Section unless there is a very definite reason to be suspicious.
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* Jade's "backpack" is a little device on her hip that breaks down physical objects and "digitizes" them, then reconstitutes them...apparently deleting their data immediately afterward? This is worse than StarTrek's replicators, and more annoying as I ''cannot help thinking'' '''"Why don't I have infinite k-bups."''' '''"Why don't I just ''digitize the monster.''"'''
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* Jade's "backpack" is a little device on her hip that breaks down physical objects and "digitizes" them, then reconstitutes them...apparently deleting their data immediately afterward? This is worse than StarTrek's Franchise/StarTrek's replicators, and more annoying as I ''cannot help thinking'' '''"Why don't I have infinite k-bups."''' '''"Why don't I just ''digitize the monster.''"'''
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** Possibly, things it sucks up are stored as gigantic amounts of energy (no mass) in some odd way that makes it impossible to safely use the energy for any purpose other than being turned back into the same thing. As for why it's never used as a weapon? Y' got me there (''StarTrek'' transporters also bugged me in that way.)
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** Possibly, things it sucks up are stored as gigantic amounts of energy (no mass) in some odd way that makes it impossible to safely use the energy for any purpose other than being turned back into the same thing. As for why it's never used as a weapon? Y' got me there (''StarTrek'' (''Franchise/StarTrek'' transporters also bugged me in that way.)
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** I point up to a previous headscratcher. "''In the end it is revealed [[spoiler: the Domz knew who she was all along, and getting the Hillyans to fight on the moon base was exactly what they wanted.]] The Alpha Sections have no reason to capture her.''" That is the point. They don't need to capture her at this point, although they could - they're bidding their time. If they capture Jade, that's fine because [[spoiler: the [=DomZ=] regain their power source instantly]]; if she manages to get all the evidence on Earth, this will lead to the Hyllians flying to the moon [[spoiler: into the [=DomZ=]'s trap, as intended]]. Kheck only let her get away after the roof-top chase because he knew her and Iris's next actions would play into their hands. This also explains some of the other behavior of the Alpha Sections' soldiers. They actively fight Jade whenever she gets spotted, but they stop searching for her if she hides long enough. Kheck or the [=DomZ=] Priest likely ordered the soldiers to do so, and probably also told them to ignore it if they hear the vendor machines' voices. This is actually FridgeBrilliance.
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** I point up to a previous headscratcher. "''In the end it is revealed [[spoiler: the Domz knew who she was all along, and getting the Hillyans to fight on the moon base was exactly what they wanted.]] The Alpha Sections have no reason to capture her.''" That is the point. They don't need to capture her at this point, her, although they could - they're bidding their time. If they capture Jade, that's fine because [[spoiler: the [=DomZ=] regain their power source instantly]]; if she manages to get all the evidence on Earth, this will lead to the Hyllians flying to the moon [[spoiler: into the [=DomZ=]'s trap, as intended]]. Kheck only let her get away after the roof-top chase because he knew her and Iris's next actions would play into their hands. This also explains some of the other behavior of the Alpha Sections' soldiers. They actively fight Jade whenever she gets spotted, but they stop searching for her if she hides long enough. Kheck or the [=DomZ=] Priest likely ordered the soldiers to do so, and probably also told them to ignore it if they hear the vendor machines' voices. This is actually FridgeBrilliance.
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** I point up to a previous headscratcher. "''In the end it is revealed [[spoiler: the Domz knew who she was all along, and getting the Hillyans to fight on the moon base was exactly what they wanted.]] The Alpha Sections have no reason to capture her.''" That is the point. They don't need to capture her at this point, although they could - they're bidding their time. If they capture Jade, that's fine because [[spoiler: the [=DomZ=] regain their power source instantly]]; if she manages to get all the evidence on Earth, this will lead to the Hyllians flying to the moon [[spoiler: into the [=DomZ=]'s trap, as intended]]. Kheck only let her get away after the roof-top chase because he knew her and Iris's next actions would play into their hands. This also explains some of the other behavior of the Alpha Sections' soldiers. They actively fight Jade whenever she gets spotted, but they stop searching for her if she hides long enough. Kheck or the [=DomZ=] Priest likely ordered the soldiers to do so, and probably also told them to ignore it if they hear the vendor machines' voices. This is actually FridgeBrilliance.
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** I always figured that they were some sort of indigenous Hillyan barter-currency that the DomZ spent a lot of time phasing out. Since so many of the DomZ creatures use pearls or have pearls as a core part of their bodies, they'd have to replace the pearl system in order to stop ordinary Hillyans from needing them to keep a roof over their heads-- hence the introduction of the Credit system. They're legal for people to own, buy, and sell, but not to ''trade'', the same way that very old coins are no longer accepted as legal tender but can fetch high prices on eBay.
** AS for the power bills, I wouldnt put it past the corrupt and DomZ-infested Hillian goverment to artificially impare the defence capabilities of the Hillians this way.
** AS for the power bills, I wouldnt put it past the corrupt and DomZ-infested Hillian goverment to artificially impare the defence capabilities of the Hillians this way.
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** I always figured that they were some sort of indigenous Hillyan barter-currency that the DomZ [=DomZ=] spent a lot of time phasing out. Since so many of the DomZ [=DomZ=] creatures use pearls or have pearls as a core part of their bodies, they'd have to replace the pearl system in order to stop ordinary Hillyans from needing them to keep a roof over their heads-- hence the introduction of the Credit system. They're legal for people to own, buy, and sell, but not to ''trade'', the same way that very old coins are no longer accepted as legal tender but can fetch high prices on eBay.
** AS for the power bills, I wouldnt put it past the corrupt andDomZ-infested [=DomZ=]-infested Hillian goverment to artificially impare the defence capabilities of the Hillians this way.
** AS for the power bills, I wouldnt put it past the corrupt and
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*** I always thought it was like an [[OrganicTechnology organic machine]] of some kind, and the actual DomZ [=DomZ=] priest stayed inside controlling it. And after it's defeated Jade somehow took control of it with her recently discovered powers.
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* This troper actually interpreted the ending as a big XanatosGambit on the DomZ' part. All this about Jade/Shani having the power to bring people back to life is a lie: think about it, the only person who tells you about it is the freshly-resurrected Pey'J, and he has some DomZ growth on him in the ending. DomZ have exhibited some mind-control ability in the game, so it's not too far out to expect there to be some less obvious form of such an infestation. The other people you save are probably infested as well, and the whole Alpha Section plan was probably that stupid deliberately so someone could defeat them, lull Hillys into a false sense of peace and create and implant a good number of undercover DomZ agents. Is there some extra info I'm missing?
** DomZ power is green, Shauni/Jade's power is blue. With a game this heavy on the artisticness, that's info enough imo.
** DomZ power is green, Shauni/Jade's power is blue. With a game this heavy on the artisticness, that's info enough imo.
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* This troper actually interpreted the ending as a big XanatosGambit on the DomZ' [=DomZ=]' part. All this about Jade/Shani having the power to bring people back to life is a lie: think about it, the only person who tells you about it is the freshly-resurrected Pey'J, and he has some DomZ [=DomZ=] growth on him in the ending. DomZ [=DomZ=] have exhibited some mind-control ability in the game, so it's not too far out to expect there to be some less obvious form of such an infestation. The other people you save are probably infested as well, and the whole Alpha Section plan was probably that stupid deliberately so someone could defeat them, lull Hillys into a false sense of peace and create and implant a good number of undercover DomZ [=DomZ=] agents. Is there some extra info I'm missing?
**DomZ [=DomZ=] power is green, Shauni/Jade's power is blue. With a game this heavy on the artisticness, that's info enough imo.
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* A thing is exactly "Psycho karma"?, something Secoundo mentons very briefly after your first fight against the DomZ.[=DomZ=]. He says "Something got inside your Psycho karma". [[spoiler:could it have something to do with her being a DomZ [=DomZ=] queen/Goddess? or maybe that she is a martial arts master of the future?]] Or is it something everybody has in the future?
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** The explanation: it's a video game. You could just as well complain that in real life, getting hit with a gun would get you dead or seriously injured, and eating food will not heal you.
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*** The other IRIS Network members mention that they maintain as little personal contact with other members of the Network as possible, so that in the event that they're captured, the information that can be tortured out of them is kept to a minimum; and that they've never personally met their boss "Wild Boar", who organizes several chapters of IRIS here on Hillys; probably, Hahn realized that going to the other members and saying, "Hey guys, I totally just figured out who the boss is," would do more harm than good.
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* ''What's the deal with Shauni?'' How exactly did Jade get to be this centuries-old entity? Since she ''does'' have power over life force, it does stand to reason that she could be immortal, but then what happened to turn her back into a baby? Does she have some kind of rebirth/regeneration cycle? ([[DoctorWho In before "Jade is a Time Lord."]]) Is Jade a distinctly different entity who somehow had the power transfered into her? Did she get put into [[Main/SleepModeSize "sleep mode"]], causing her to forget her powers? The sequels got some 'splainin' to do.
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* ''What's the deal with Shauni?'' How exactly did Jade get to be this centuries-old entity? Since she ''does'' have power over life force, it does stand to reason that she could be immortal, but then what happened to turn her back into a baby? Does she have some kind of rebirth/regeneration cycle? ([[DoctorWho ([[Series/DoctorWho In before "Jade is a Time Lord."]]) Is Jade a distinctly different entity who somehow had the power transfered into her? Did she get put into [[Main/SleepModeSize "sleep mode"]], causing her to forget her powers? The sequels got some 'splainin' to do.
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**** Considering that the guy she gives the password to is the very guy who scoped her out for recruitment...
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*** Metadata might serve as proof on the M-Discs, but I don't see how that'd do much good when they hijack the giant TV screens in the finale.
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*** And yet, in an isolated incident of creator oversight, Pey'J says exactly one line to Hahn while they were on Hahn's taxi cab. Unless Pey'J had made Hahn swear to say nothing...
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** If someone is sneaking around my base wreaking havoc, I'm probably not going to think of "checking the vending machines". Or maybe they did. Between the machines and the trap they nearly caught Jade in, they figure it out and shortly thereafter attack the lighthouse where she lives. Luckily, she's not there at the time. Since Mammago doesn't use money, they don't know she was ever there, or the Alphas don't have easy access to credit records outside of their bases. Or the Mammago Bros. scrub any client-identifying data from their machine before it's turned in or transmitted.
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*** Note that they just say that her account is ''short'' by that much, not that that's her total electric bill. It's probably just that she underpaid them by 300 units, and the Alpha Section-controlled regime, being both mean and ''incredibly'' anal, wouldn't cough up the power until she paid up the rest--even if it was only about 3 bucks.
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** I think it was the same serum they cured Double H with later. Somehow she managed to get infected during the short time she was around the monster. After the battle, Secundo mentions that "something got inside your Psycho-Karma", whatever that is.
** It seems to be a not-uncommon affection.
** It seems to be a not-uncommon affection.
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** You know those lists of hottest video game women in the previous year? Yeah, that's how I found out about it. I'd probably heard of it, but not what it was about.
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** I think it was the same serum they cured Double H with later. Somehow she managed to get infected during the short time she was around the monster. After the battle, Secundo mentions that "something got inside your Psycho-Karma", whatever that is.
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*In the very beginning, Jade faints and is injected with some serum that's never mentioned again. What's the deal with it?
* This troper actually interpreted the ending as a big XanatosGambit on the DomZ' part. All this about Jade/Shani having the power to bring people back to life is a lie: think about it, the only person who tells you about it is the freshly-resurrected Pey'J, and he has some DomZ growth on him in the ending. DomZ have exhibited some mind-control ability in the game, so it's not too far out to expect there to be some less obvious form of such an infestation. The other people you save are probably infested as well, and the whole Alpha Section plan was probably that stupid deliberately so someone could defeat them, lull Hillys into a false sense of peace and create and implant a good number of undercover DomZ agents. Is there some extra info I'm missing?
* This troper actually interpreted the ending as a big XanatosGambit on the DomZ' part. All this about Jade/Shani having the power to bring people back to life is a lie: think about it, the only person who tells you about it is the freshly-resurrected Pey'J, and he has some DomZ growth on him in the ending. DomZ have exhibited some mind-control ability in the game, so it's not too far out to expect there to be some less obvious form of such an infestation. The other people you save are probably infested as well, and the whole Alpha Section plan was probably that stupid deliberately so someone could defeat them, lull Hillys into a false sense of peace and create and implant a good number of undercover DomZ agents. Is there some extra info I'm missing?
