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* If the sewer water is supposedly toxic, then how can The Penguin's... well... penguins swim in it without suffering any effects whatsoever?

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* If the sewer water is supposedly toxic, toxic – then how can The Penguin's... well... Penguin's, well, penguins swim in it without suffering any effects whatsoever?it?
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** The whole "Max Shreck was originally Harvey Dent" thing is just a rumor anyway. I've yet to see any evidence that it's true.
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** (Looks at [[DonaldTrump who's]] in the White House right now.) Well, this is HarsherInHindsight.

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** (Looks at [[DonaldTrump [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump who's]] in the White House right now.) Well, this is HarsherInHindsight.
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** (Looks at [[DonaldTrump who's]] in the White House right now.) Well, this is HarsherInHindsight.
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** See the headscratcher above.

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** See the headscratcher above.all the way above that explains more.

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** By this point in the series, he wasn't quite regarded as the hero that we the viewer regard him. He hadn't quite reached the level of celebrity that he did in BatmanAndRobin. So he stopped the Joker but is it implied that anyone other than Commissioner Gordon and a few top city officials knows for certain he's one of the Good Guys?

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** By this point in the series, he wasn't quite regarded as the hero that we the viewer regard him. He hadn't quite reached the level of celebrity that he did in BatmanAndRobin.''Film/BatmanAndRobin''. So he stopped the Joker but is it implied that anyone other than Commissioner Gordon and a few top city officials knows for certain he's one of the Good Guys?



*** An early script had the initial attack on Gotham Plaza a lot more elaborate, with the thugs invading before the tree-lighting ceremony begins and infiltrating Max Shreck's penthouse office, taking Max, Chip, the Mayor, and Selina hostage. Batman has to fight his way up to the penthouse level to save them, in the process leaving the Batmobile behind in an alley - but forgetting to put the shields up on the car. Even more of the Penguin's thugs then approach the exposed automobile and take photographs of it (thus providing an explanation as to how The Penguin got the blueprints to the Batmobile). The novelization indicates the Penguin got the plans from a disgruntled engineer who helped design it.



*** And it ''was'' a long drop.



** And they probably can tell the guy's joke hit a sore spot for Penguin.



*** She also has matching leather boots to go with them.



** Or maybe it was "Big Bad Harv"'s plan. Or it was someone else's plan which he was blackmailed to keep quiet, by threatening to reveal his psychiatric files.



** That's an in-manor system he has in place to alert him of the real Bat-Signal.

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** That's an in-manor system he has in place to alert him of the real Bat-Signal.Bat-Signal.
** See the headscratcher above.
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** It's been ages since I read the film's novelization, but I do recall that theres was a brief explanation for it. Basically, the Penguin got the blueprints from Max Schreck. As how Max got them, he simply found which company built the Batmobile and then bribed one of the designers.

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** It's been ages since I read the film's novelization, but I do recall that theres there's was a brief explanation for it. Basically, the Penguin got the blueprints from Max Schreck. As how Max got them, he simply found which company built the Batmobile and then bribed one of the designers.
** As for punching through the floor: Batman must have known about the one weak spot or stress point in the floorboards, perhaps caused by damage inflicted in a previous conflict that he maybe patched up but never got around to properly fix...


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** The Penguin is twisting the knife to make the richers feel extra guilty for abandoning their kids during a time where dangerous lunatics dressed up like clowns are terrorizing the city.
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* Why on earth would the circus people ''stay'' with the Penguin? They should hate him! He cost them their jobs; he makes them live in a freezing, smelly sewer; he sends them out to commit mindless acts of violence that never seem to involve theft or any other profitable crime; and [[BadBoss he hits them or even kills them whenever he gets angry]]. And why would they decide to follow a disfigured young boy in the first place?

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* Why on earth Earth would the circus people ''stay'' with the Penguin? They should hate him! He cost them their jobs; he makes them live in a freezing, smelly sewer; he sends them out to commit mindless acts of violence that never seem to involve theft or any other profitable crime; and [[BadBoss he hits them or even kills them whenever he gets angry]]. And why would they decide to follow a disfigured young boy in the first place?
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** Odds are that what was left of the Red Triangle Gang, was rounded up and testified against the penguin as well as most of the other crimes they helped him commit. Penguin died so they weren't afraid of his wrath anymore.

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** Odds are that what was left of the Red Triangle Gang, was rounded up and testified against the penguin Penguin as well as most of the other crimes they helped him commit. Penguin died so they weren't afraid of his wrath anymore.



* Why on earth does the police open fire on sight at Penguin after his bombed speech? Yes, he lost his temper and shot at the crowd, plenty of reason for an arrest, but since when have police officers tried to shoot a limping man in the back?

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* Why on earth Earth does the police open fire on sight at Penguin after his bombed speech? Yes, he lost his temper and shot at the crowd, plenty of reason for an arrest, but since when have police officers tried to shoot a limping man in the back?
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*** Did you not notice that Chip Shreck wasn't exactly 20 even? Or Shreck's white hair? It's more than possible Shreck lead the company then to,he was certainly old enough

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*** Did you not notice that Chip Shreck wasn't exactly 20 even? Or Shreck's white hair? It's more than possible Shreck lead the company then to,he to; he was certainly old enoughenough.
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Did Shreck actually fire Selina? He let her work the next day.

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** Nope. She showed up for work the next day (where she talked to Bruce Wayne and claimed that she couldn't remember the previous night), and Shreck seemed just a little too disconcerted to try to evict her from the building. He wound up concluding that, if she made trouble for him, he'd just drop her out of a higher window.
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* If the sewer water is supposedly toxic, then how can The Penguin's, well, penguins swim in it without suffering any effects whatsoever?

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* If the sewer water is supposedly toxic, then how can The Penguin's, well, Penguin's... well... penguins swim in it without suffering any effects whatsoever?
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** She didn't exactly fall through the pile of kitty litter. See SoftWater or to quote Peter Griffin "Aah! It's not a liquid!"


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** Considering the blatant continuity error regarding the eyeshadow, they would have cut, taken off the cowl to remove the makeup, then put on a lighter-weight cowl for Keaton to rip off.
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** It's also winter, and usually we see him either leaving or entering rather than having been inside for awhile. His suits are also pretty extravagant and retro (note the spats on his shoes), so the gloves make a nice accessory.
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** It's been ages since I read the film's novelization, but I do recall that theres was a brief explanation for it. Basically, the Penguin got the blueprints from Max Schreck. As how Max got them, he simply found which company built the Batmobile and then bribed one of the designers.
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* She saw the woman as her old self when she was being taken advantage of by everybody and demeaned by Max. I guess her criticism/scolding of the woman would be that she should stand up for herself and not rely on men to bail her out. I mean there’s a reason why Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman became a feminist icon because she was very fierce, believed in independence, and ending the male dominance of Gotham.

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* ** She saw the woman as her old self when she was being taken advantage of by everybody and demeaned by Max. I guess her criticism/scolding of the woman would be that she should stand up for herself and not rely on men to bail her out. I mean there’s a reason why Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman became a feminist icon because she was very fierce, believed in independence, and ending the male dominance of Gotham.
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* She saw the woman as her old self when she was being taken advantage of by everybody and demeaned by Max. I guess her criticism/scolding of the woman would be that she should stand up for herself and not rely on men to bail her out. I mean there’s a reason why Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman became a feminist icon because she was very fierce, believed in independence, and ending the male dominance of Gotham.
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* This is more of a ''Film/BatmanForever'' headscratcher, but since it doesn't have its own page - why is everyone completely okay with Batman again by the beginning of ''Forever?'' The only person who could have spoken for him being innocent to his kidnap and murder charge was the Ice Princess, unfortunately said murder victim.

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* This is more After the events of a ''Film/BatmanForever'' headscratcher, but since it doesn't have its own page - this movie, why is everyone completely okay with Batman again by the beginning of ''Forever?'' The only person who could have spoken for him being innocent to his kidnap and murder charge was the Ice Princess, unfortunately said murder victim.
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** Also, Shreck can tell anybody he wants, but they may not believe him. We saw with Oswald how fast public opinion can turn, and if the dirt on Shreck gets out, a crazy story about his tense and obstructive business partner Bruce Wayne being Batman and eloping with his secretary (who he claims is Catwoman) could seem like his attempt to use sensationalism to shift media focus from the accusations against him.

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** Also, Shreck can tell anybody he wants, but they may not believe him. We saw with Oswald how fast public opinion can turn, and if the dirt on Shreck gets out, a crazy story about his tense and obstructive business partner Bruce Wayne being Batman and eloping with his secretary (who he claims is Catwoman) could seem like his attempt to use sensationalism to shift media focus from the accusations against him.him.
* So no one has ever noticed that by setting off the Bat-Signal, a second one is activated that shines right into Wayne Manor?
** That's an in-manor system he has in place to alert him of the real Bat-Signal.
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** They're being led by the Penguin, who is a childlike monster who is essentially working through his anger at his parents by punishing dozens of other children, and treating them to the same thing. It's Penguin's plot all along, after all - his plan in Gotham is merely to use Shreck to gain access to places like the Gotham Hall of Records, take notes on that year's newborn children, and dump them in the sewer when the time came; He restarts this plan when his mayoral run gets derailed.

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** They're being led by the Penguin, who is a childlike monster who is essentially working through his anger at his parents by punishing dozens of other children, and treating them to the same thing. It's Penguin's plot all along, after all - his plan in Gotham is merely to use Shreck to gain access to places like the Gotham Hall of Records, take notes on that year's newborn children, and dump them in the sewer when the time came; came. He restarts this plan when his mayoral run gets derailed.

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* Why did Bruce unmask himself in front of Shreck? It's not like prison will stop him from telling people Bruce's secret. Did Bruce knew he was there?

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* Why did Bruce unmask himself in front of Shreck? It's not like prison will stop him from telling people Bruce's secret. Did Bruce knew forget he was there?there?
** He wasn't thinking straight. He was trying to reach out to Selina by showing her his face to soften her before she killed Shreck. He seemed to really care about her, and in that moment, pulling a ''Dark Knight Rises'' and quitting Batman to disappear be with her might have seemed like a viable option. No matter who knows he's Batman, he's rich enough to protect himself, Alfred, and Selina as long as they get out of town.
** Also, Shreck can tell anybody he wants, but they may not believe him. We saw with Oswald how fast public opinion can turn, and if the dirt on Shreck gets out, a crazy story about his tense and obstructive business partner Bruce Wayne being Batman and eloping with his secretary (who he claims is Catwoman) could seem like his attempt to use sensationalism to shift media focus from the accusations against him.
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* Why did Bruce unmask himself in front of Shreck? It's not like prison will stop him from telling people Bruce's secret. Did Bruce knew Shreck was there?

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* Why did Bruce unmask himself in front of Shreck? It's not like prison will stop him from telling people Bruce's secret. Did Bruce knew Shreck he was there?

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* Shreck telling Selina she's fired at the end seems almost comical for so many reasons. Wasn't she pretty much already fired when he pushed her out of the window?

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* Shreck telling Selina she's fired at the end seems almost comical for so many reasons. Wasn't she pretty much already fired when he pushed her out of the window?window?
* Why did Bruce unmask himself in front of Shreck? It's not like prison will stop him from telling people Bruce's secret. Did Bruce knew Shreck was there?
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** I'd assume the plot was changed somewhat when they changed characters.

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** I'd assume the plot was changed somewhat when they changed characters.characters.
* Shreck telling Selina she's fired at the end seems almost comical for so many reasons. Wasn't she pretty much already fired when he pushed her out of the window?
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** Or maybe he just lets people think he's a bit of a Batman ''spotter'', innocently keeping track of the mysterious vigilante's appearances from the sidelines. It'd be a bit odd for the son of murder victims ''not'' to at least '''notice''' that there's some weirdo in a costume beating up criminals in his home town.

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** Or maybe he just lets people think he's a bit of a Batman ''spotter'', innocently keeping track of the mysterious vigilante's appearances from the sidelines. It'd be a bit odd for the son of murder victims ''not'' to at least '''notice''' reports that there's some weirdo in a costume beating up criminals in his home town.
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** Or maybe he just lets people think he's a bit of a Batman ''spotter'', innocently keeping track of the mysterious vigilante's appearances from the sidelines. It'd be a bit odd for the son of murder victims ''not'' to at least '''notice''' that there's some weirdo in a costume beating up criminals in his home town.
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*** While some of what she went through might have been survivable she also clearly has superhuman powers of some kind. Between the falls, the electricity and the gunshot wounds she should be a broken, bloody, fried, twitching mess. But instead she's intact, barely injured and walking it all off. Too much happens to her for it all to just be luck and we have confirmation of metahumans in later movies.
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* This is more of a ''Film/BatmanForever'' headscratcher, but since it doesn't have its own page- why is everyone completely okay with Batman again by the beginning of ''Forever?'' The only person who could have spoken for him being innocent to his kidnap and murder charge was the Ice Princess, unfortunately said murder victim.

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* This is more of a ''Film/BatmanForever'' headscratcher, but since it doesn't have its own page- page - why is everyone completely okay with Batman again by the beginning of ''Forever?'' The only person who could have spoken for him being innocent to his kidnap and murder charge was the Ice Princess, unfortunately said murder victim.
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** I thought they have a newswire

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** I thought they have a newswirenewswire.



* Why did Selina react so histrionically to Max's attempt to murder her? I understand that going through a window and hitting the ground several stories below would be, to say the least, an experience that would leave one badly shaken; and I'm certainly not trying to excuse what Max did. But, really...it's not like Max raped Selina or anything. It wasn't personal. You'd think Selina would just be happy to be alive and confident that she could bring Max to justice. She could have easily shown to the police her cuts from going through the glass, not to mention the bruises on her body she almost certainly sustained when she hit the ground. And she knew about Max's motive for the murder attempt, so she could have told just about anyone and gotten him investigated.

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* Why did Selina react so histrionically to Max's attempt to murder her? I understand that going through a window and hitting the ground several stories below would be, to say the least, an experience that would leave one badly shaken; and I'm certainly not trying to excuse what Max did. But, really... it's not like Max raped Selina or anything. It wasn't personal. You'd think Selina would just be happy to be alive and confident that she could bring Max to justice. She could have easily shown to the police her cuts from going through the glass, not to mention the bruises on her body she almost certainly sustained when she hit the ground. And she knew about Max's motive for the murder attempt, so she could have told just about anyone and gotten him investigated.



* " ''And Bruce Wayne, why you dressed up like Batman?!'' " I...I, how could you even... Just why?

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* " ''And "''And Bruce Wayne, why you dressed up like Batman?!'' " I...I, how could you even... Just why?



** For that matter, did it ever occur to them what was in store for them if Cobblepot had actually been elected mayor? Shreck would have gotten his power plant, and Cobblepot would have access to all the fame and riches and women he could ever want...but what would his gang get out of it? Since the Cobblepot campaign was solely on an anti-crime platform, ''at best'' they'd all be arrested and locked up for years or even decades. Or Cobblepot might even decide to have them executed in a "Night of the Long Knives" reenactment. On the other hand, if they got lucky, Cobblepot would seize dictatorial powers and make them his personal death squad - and, let's be honest, that just wouldn't work. What chance would a band of carny sandinistas with ''some'' military-grade weapons have against the National Guard? Or the U.S. Army? Or even a U.N. peacekeeping force, if it had to come to that? Unless the Penguin has been running a secret terrorist cell somewhere, his reign of terror would be a very short one.

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** For that matter, did it ever occur to them what was in store for them if Cobblepot had actually been elected mayor? Shreck would have gotten his power plant, and Cobblepot would have access to all the fame and riches and women he could ever want... but what would his gang get out of it? Since the Cobblepot campaign was solely on an anti-crime platform, ''at best'' they'd all be arrested and locked up for years or even decades. Or Cobblepot might even decide to have them executed in a "Night of the Long Knives" reenactment. On the other hand, if they got lucky, Cobblepot would seize dictatorial powers and make them his personal death squad - and, let's be honest, that just wouldn't work. What chance would a band of carny sandinistas with ''some'' military-grade weapons have against the National Guard? Or the U.S. Army? Or even a U.N. peacekeeping force, if it had to come to that? Unless the Penguin has been running a secret terrorist cell somewhere, his reign of terror would be a very short one.

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