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** There's no reason given for the timing. Possibly it took her time to set up her alibis, equipment, and her own training.
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* I understand Andrea's revenge scheme, but why does she start [=NOW=]? Why after all these years did she decide to start her revenge scheme at this particular point in time? Was there some catalyst I'm unaware of?
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** [[Spoiler: Pay attention, they explain this plot point in the damn movie]]

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** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an {{Elseworlds}} story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.

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*****Too bad the movie actually says TEN YEARS.




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*****The movie MAY take place before the series proper but it definitely takes place within the same timeframe as Andrea straight up says that it has been TEN YEARS. And Batman has been protecting Gotham in the series for about 10 years.


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*** On the other hand, the whole "You want him? You go get him," could mean that he doesn't yet regard Batman as an ally, just as a vigilante who he doesn't want to be bothered tracking down because he does more good than harm.
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***** Gordon also tells Reeve that Batman doesn't kill and divorces himself from the manhunt for Batman in a tone that suggests a very long working relationship between him and Batman.
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** What happened was that she was about to kill him, but she hesitated because he had gone so insane and out-of-his-mind, that she wouldn't be killing the man who killed her father at all. He may technically be the same person in body, but not in spirit. And in that moment of hesitation there was another explosion, which hurled them both through the air and sent Joker into the sewer water, where he made his escape.
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** It also might have been two different toxins, one lethal and one not. The Joker had more use for Valestra dead, but he's such a cruel bastard that he might have thought it more amusing if Reed was alive to have to answer to everyone why the Joker showed up at his office.
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** Sal Valestra was an old, old man who was already on an oxygen tank--a bad cold probably would've killed him. Arthur is a young and otherwise fit young man. It makes perfect sense that Arthur could survive something that killed an old man.
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* The effects of the Joker's toxin are a tad...inconsistent. When the Joker gives some to Valestra, he turns up dead. Yet when Arthur Reeves gets a dose he's taking to the hospital in a laughing fit. His doctor sedates him and decides to "let the toxin run its course." Isn't this stuff lethal? And if it is, why did Batman(who is strongly opposed to killing)just leave ''without giving Reeves the cure'' after his interrogation?
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** Gordon didn't suspect that Batman was behind the killings to begin with, and was vocally opposed to the manhunt against Batman. There was very little evidence that Batman was present at the crime scenes for any other reason than that he was doing what he always does; help out. So Gordon probably had the entire idea scrapped after the killings stopped. Also consider that it was probably pretty hard to keep the case up once they found out that the attorney who who suggested the manhunt [[spoiler: was trying to hide that he had done highly-illegal business with all of the victims.]]

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** Gordon didn't suspect that Batman was behind the killings to begin with, and was vocally opposed to the manhunt against Batman. There was very little evidence that Batman was present at the crime scenes for any other reason than that he was doing what he always does; help out. So Gordon probably had the entire idea scrapped after the killings stopped. Also consider that it was probably pretty hard to keep the case up once they found out that the attorney who who suggested the manhunt [[spoiler: was trying to hide that he had done cover up the highly-illegal business he did with all of the victims.]]

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** Gordon didn't suspect that Batman was behind the killings to begin with, and was vocally opposed to the manhunt against Batman. There was very little evidence that Batman was present at the crime scenes for any other reason than that he was doing what he always does; help out. So Gordon probably had the entire idea scrapped after the killings stopped. Also consider that it was probably pretty hard to keep the case up once they found out that the attorney who who suggested the manhunt [[spoiler: was trying to hide that he had done highly-illegal business with all of the victims.]]



** Several reasons. First of all, he's Batman. He's not about to just let someone (even the Joker) get killed in a massive explosion. Second, it's the Joker: chances are very slim he was at the fair grounds because he made parole. If he survived (which he has a history of doing even in the ugliest scenarios), he'd just be on the loose again, putting more people in danger. Last but not least, he just found out that this guy is indirectly responsible for the cancellation of the wedding engagement that might have saved him from becoming Batman, so the Joker probably had an ass-kicking with his name on it.

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** Several reasons. First of all, he's Batman. Batman: He's not about to just let someone (even the Joker) get killed in a massive explosion. Second, it's the Joker: chances are very slim he was at the fair grounds because he made parole. If he survived (which he has a history of doing even in the ugliest scenarios), he'd just be on the loose again, putting more people in danger. Last but not least, he just found out that this guy is indirectly responsible for the cancellation of the wedding engagement that might have saved him from becoming Batman, so the Joker probably had an ass-kicking with his name on it.
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** Several reasons. First of all, he's Batman. He's not about to just let someone (even the Joker) get killed in a massive explosion. Second, it's the Joker: chances are very slim he was at the fair grounds because he made parole. If he survived (which he has a history of doing even in the ugliest scenarios), he'd just be on the loose again, putting more people in danger. Last but not least, he just found out that this guy is indirectly responsible for the cancellation of the wedding engagement that might have saved him from becoming Batman, so the Joker probably had an ass-kicking with his name on it.
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** Probably she was [[ShooOutTheClowns too lighthearted a character for this movie]]. In-story, it's possible she was in Arkham at this point and the Joker didn't bother to bust her out.

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** Probably she was [[ShooOutTheClowns too lighthearted a character for this movie]]. In-story, it's possible she was in Arkham at this point and the Joker didn't bother to bust her out. It's pretty evident that he doesn't care about her unless his schemes need the extra help or he could use a human shield. In the movie, he doesn't have anything big planned besides hanging out at the fairgrounds, minding his own business until Valestra calls on him, so why go through the trouble of springing her?
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**** I've always liked to imagine that it takes place (obviously out of canon, and with several differences as far as events go) a few months after the events of BatmanYearOne, since there is a scene reminiscent of Batman's run from the police from that book, so Batman's been around for a while, but not long enough to have learned everything yet. He's still working without Robin for one.

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**** I've always liked to imagine that it takes place (obviously out of canon, and with several differences as far as events go) a few months after the events of BatmanYearOne, ComicBook/BatmanYearOne, since there is a scene reminiscent of Batman's run from the police from that book, so Batman's been around for a while, but not long enough to have learned everything yet. He's still working without Robin for one.
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** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an Elseworld story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.

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** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an Elseworld {{Elseworlds}} story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.
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** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an Elseworld story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he instead promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.

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** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an Elseworld story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he instead promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.
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** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an Elseworlds story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he instead promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.

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** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an Elseworlds Elseworld story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he instead promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.
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** Bruce probably would have helped the father of his life's love. But Carl Beaumont probably didn't know that. Remember, the "Bruce Wayne" in the public eye is a billionaire playboy and a savvy businessman. Beaumont probably assumed that Bruce would run to the police or use the plea for help as an opportunity for Wayne Enterprises to take over his company.

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** Bruce probably would have helped the father of his life's love. But Carl Beaumont probably didn't know that. Remember, the "Bruce Wayne" in the public eye is a billionaire playboy and a savvy businessman. Beaumont probably assumed that Bruce would run to the police or use the plea for help as an opportunity for Wayne Enterprises to take over his company.company.
** It would be cool if the old team (Timm, Dini, etc.) got together to create an Elseworlds story about what would've happened if Carl ''had'' gone to Bruce. Let's say instead of Bruce whipping his checkbook out on the spot, he instead promises to "take care of it." He then dons the Batsuit for the first time (I dunno, maybe he had it tailored before he decided to change "The Plan") and goes out to kick Valestra and the other's asses. Bruce and Andrea get married and he either tries to balance both married life with being Batman or just stuffs the suit in a closet somewhere and never goes out again...at least not for a few years. Because this is Batman though, the marriage eventually implodes because of the stress of Bruce's secret life (We can't all be [[SpiderMan Mary Jane]]) or because Bruce is eaten up by guilt that he didn't keep his vow. Somehow, he still becomes Batman...just not in the exact same way or a few years late.
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** Yes, because moral, upstanding guys with strong senses of justice are totally cool with ''handing money over to mobsters''. If he'd gone to Bruce, Bruce would have gone to the police, which ''still'' ends up ruining Carl at best.

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** Yes, because moral, upstanding guys with strong senses of justice are totally cool with ''handing money over to mobsters''. If he'd gone to Bruce, Bruce would have gone to the police, which ''still'' ends up ruining Carl at best.best.
** Bruce probably would have helped the father of his life's love. But Carl Beaumont probably didn't know that. Remember, the "Bruce Wayne" in the public eye is a billionaire playboy and a savvy businessman. Beaumont probably assumed that Bruce would run to the police or use the plea for help as an opportunity for Wayne Enterprises to take over his company.
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* Okay Carl, you done a bad, bad thing and embezzled money from mobsters who are going to slaughter you and your daughter like chickens. Good thing she just got engaged to the richest man in Gotham who is a nice, moral guy with a strong sense of justice and duty! I'm sure he'll be happy to lend you the money...Oh, you'd rather run to Greece, huh? Not even going to bother asking? Your choice. Dumbass.

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* Okay Carl, you done a bad, bad thing and embezzled money from mobsters who are going to slaughter you and your daughter like chickens. Good thing she just got engaged to the richest man in Gotham who is a nice, moral guy with a strong sense of justice and duty! I'm sure he'll be happy to lend you the money...Oh, you'd rather run to Greece, huh? Not even going to bother asking? Your choice. Dumbass.Dumbass.
** Yes, because moral, upstanding guys with strong senses of justice are totally cool with ''handing money over to mobsters''. If he'd gone to Bruce, Bruce would have gone to the police, which ''still'' ends up ruining Carl at best.
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* Okay Carl, you done a bad, bad thing and embezzled money from mobsters who are going to slaughter you and your daughter like chickens. Good thing she just got engaged to the richest man in Gotham who is a nice, moral guy with a strong sense of justice and duty. I'm sure he'll be happy to lend you the money...Oh, you'd rather run to Greece, huh? Not even going to bother asking? Your choice. Dumbass.

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* Okay Carl, you done a bad, bad thing and embezzled money from mobsters who are going to slaughter you and your daughter like chickens. Good thing she just got engaged to the richest man in Gotham who is a nice, moral guy with a strong sense of justice and duty. duty! I'm sure he'll be happy to lend you the money...Oh, you'd rather run to Greece, huh? Not even going to bother asking? Your choice. Dumbass.
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** Not if he was working for Valestro under an alias. Apparently Joker's had a lot of them. Even Jack Napier may be one.

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** Not if he was working for Valestro Valestra under an alias. Apparently Joker's had a lot of them. Even Jack Napier may be one.
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**Not if he was working for Valestro under an alias. Apparently Joker's had a lot of them. Even Jack Napier may be one.
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* If it's commons knowledge that Joker is Jack Napier, wouldn't Bruce know that Napier had worked for Valestro back in the day?

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* If it's commons knowledge that Joker is Jack Napier, wouldn't Bruce know that Napier had worked for Valestro back in the day?day?
*Okay Carl, you done a bad, bad thing and embezzled money from mobsters who are going to slaughter you and your daughter like chickens. Good thing she just got engaged to the richest man in Gotham who is a nice, moral guy with a strong sense of justice and duty. I'm sure he'll be happy to lend you the money...Oh, you'd rather run to Greece, huh? Not even going to bother asking? Your choice. Dumbass.
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*** [[DontExplainTheJoke Harley...]]
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* If it's commons knowledge that Joker is Jack Napier, wouldn't Bruce know that Napier had worked for Valestro back in the day?
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** This plot hole was tied up in the novelization. A photographer takes a picture of the Phantasm after the death of Chuckie Sol. Coincidentally, that photographer is the one who meets Andrea on the cruise ship.

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** This plot hole was tied up in the novelization. A photographer takes a picture of the Phantasm after the death of Chuckie Sol. Coincidentally, that photographer is the one who meets Andrea on the cruise ship.ship.
* Why does Batman chase Joker in the end sequence? Surely with all those explosives it would have been safer to leave Joker and get out of there safely?

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