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** He might have left the antidote with the doctors, who would better know how to use it. But he didn't tell Reeves this because, well, Reeves is a corrupt asshole who has made his life more difficult in lots of ways it turns out, so why give him the comfort?
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** Also, you just answered your own question here, really. ''She needs to get him out ASAP''. So the more she acts like a bitter ex-girlfriend who is unreasonably cruel, bitchy and nasty to Bruce / Batman despite ''him'' being the more wronged party in their relationship, the quicker he'll think "screw this" and ''leave''.
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** Also, you just answered your own question here, really. ''She needs to get him out ASAP''. So the more she acts like a bitter ex-girlfriend who is unreasonably cruel, bitchy and nasty to Bruce / Batman despite ''him'' being the more wronged party in their relationship, the quicker he'll think "screw this" this, this woman's a massive asshole" and ''leave''.
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** HonorBeforeReason. Yeah, some people ''would'' consider public disgrace, the messy destruction of everything they'd worked to achieve and ''still'' possibly getting himself and his daughter brutally killed by mobsters in the far-from-unlikely event that it ''simply didn't work'' to be worse than just, well, skipping out of town.
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** Also, you just answered your own question here, really. ''She needs to get him out ASAP''. So the more she acts like a bitter ex-girlfriend who is unreasonably cruel, bitchy and nasty to Bruce / Batman despite ''him'' being the more wronged party in their relationship, the quicker he'll think "screw this" and ''leave''.
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** Also... ''because'' he's a deranged and wanted criminal. You do something to try and stop the Joker from getting to where he's going, alert the authorities to his presence or which just happens to get him to notice you, there's a greater than zero chance that five minutes later you're lying dead on the floor with your jaw locked into a terrifying rictus grin forever and your entire family is murdered before the day is out. Much safer to keep your head down, let him go about his business without giving him any reason to realise you exist, and ''then'' call the police when he's very, very far away from you.
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** And he considered it worse than losing his life and his daughter's? Dumbass indeed.
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*** Where has this ever been said? As it stands this sounds more like Wild Mass Guessing than anything else.
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** It's less to do with the writers and more to do with Batman himself. And it's not like this is [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS1E5ThisLittlePiggy the first time]] that he's shown this [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies attitude]] either.
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** It's less to do with the writers and more to do with Batman himself. And it's not like this is [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS1E5ThisLittlePiggy the first time]] that he's shown this [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies attitude]] either.either.
** Also, outdated or not, while {{Battle Couple}}s may be a thing it's not like every couple should or wants to become a Battle Couple. You're approaching this from the position of having meta-knowledge that (a) Andrea ends up becoming the Phantasm and (b) having knowledge of other media which contains Battle Couples. In the world of fiction, Bruce has no knowledge of (a) or (b), and simply assumes that Andrea -- like most real-world women probably would -- has little desire to be married to a man who places a premium on being allowed to dress up in a scary costume and run across rooftops delivering vigilante justice to criminals.
** Also, outdated or not, while {{Battle Couple}}s may be a thing it's not like every couple should or wants to become a Battle Couple. You're approaching this from the position of having meta-knowledge that (a) Andrea ends up becoming the Phantasm and (b) having knowledge of other media which contains Battle Couples. In the world of fiction, Bruce has no knowledge of (a) or (b), and simply assumes that Andrea -- like most real-world women probably would -- has little desire to be married to a man who places a premium on being allowed to dress up in a scary costume and run across rooftops delivering vigilante justice to criminals.
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** [[spoiler:We see her on a plane, yes. But we don't know where that plane left ''from''. She could have easily killed those guys, fled the city some other way, and flew in from another airport, or explaining it as a transfer]].
** [[spoiler:She secretly took an early flight to kill only Chuckie Sol. Then left Gotham only to return again and make it seem she arrived for the first time. To throw off any suspicions. Batman figured it out.]]
* In Mask of the Phantasm, Bruce has a flashback to the night he proposed to Andrea. When they get to her house, we see [[spoiler:future Joker]] throw a cigarette at Bruce's car, presumably because he was done with it. Then when Andrea has a flashback to the same moment from her point of view, [[spoiler:Joker]] is lighting up just moments before when he would have been throwing the cigarette. This troper can only imagine it is because the people who are remembering this night are only human, and it was ten years ago, so they are bound to misremember some things.
** [[spoiler:We see her on a plane, yes. But we don't know where that plane left ''from''. She could have easily killed those guys, fled the city some other way, and flew in from another airport, or explaining it as a transfer]].
** [[spoiler:She secretly took an early flight to kill only Chuckie Sol. Then left Gotham only to return again and make it seem she arrived for the first time. To throw off any suspicions. Batman figured it out.]]
* In Mask of the Phantasm, Bruce has a flashback to the night he proposed to Andrea. When they get to her house, we see [[spoiler:future Joker]] throw a cigarette at Bruce's car, presumably because he was done with it. Then when Andrea has a flashback to the same moment from her point of view, [[spoiler:Joker]] is lighting up just moments before when he would have been throwing the cigarette. This troper can only imagine it is because the people who are remembering this night are only human, and it was ten years ago, so they are bound to misremember some things.
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** This is [[spoiler:future Joker]] future Joker we're talking about here. He probably just did it to be a dick.
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** Gordon didn't suspect that Batman was behind the killings to begin with, and was vocally opposed to the manhunt against Batman. There was very little evidence that Batman was present at the crime scenes for any other reason than that he was doing what he always does; help out. So Gordon probably had the entire idea scrapped after the killings stopped. Also consider that it was probably pretty hard to keep the case up once they found out that the attorney who suggested the manhunt [[spoiler: was trying to cover up the highly-illegal business he did with all of the victims.]]
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** Gordon didn't suspect that Batman was behind the killings to begin with, and was vocally opposed to the manhunt against Batman. There was very little evidence that Batman was present at the crime scenes for any other reason than that he was doing what he always does; help out. So Gordon probably had the entire idea scrapped after the killings stopped. Also consider that it was probably pretty hard to keep the case up once they found out that the attorney who suggested the manhunt [[spoiler: was trying to cover up the highly-illegal business he did with all of the victims.]]
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** Remember how [[spoiler:Joker Joker had a camera that recorded the Phantasm saying "Sal Valestra, your angel of death awaits?" and tells her that her face will soon be all over Gotham?]] Gotham? That's how.
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** Also, just plain and simple desperation. Either the Joker ''might'' kill him, or the terrifying shadowy skull-faced working through his associates under cover of night will ''definitely'' kill him. Better the devil you know, and such.
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** Also, just plain and simple desperation. Either the Joker ''might'' kill him, or the terrifying shadowy skull-faced monster-assassin working through his associates under cover of night will ''definitely'' kill him. Better the devil you know, and such.
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** The relationship between the movie and the TV show simply has to be viewed as BroadStrokes; the movie is intended to be set in roughly the same universe as the cartoon, but it was also intended to be seen by a wider audience than might have just watched the cartoon, so they played a bit more fast and loose with some of the specific details rather than worrying too much about making sure everything fit nicely together. Basically, the movie is intended to be viewed as a self-contained story on its own terms from the cartoon series, not as an interconnected extension of it, so while you can insert the events of the film into the canon of the cartoon and vice versa, you have to be willing to fudge some of the details if you're doing so. In the case of the OP, if you're viewing the film as a stand-alone entity she doesn't exist for the purposes of the film; if you're working it into the canon of the cartoon then she's just elsewhere, either because she hasn't met the Joker yet, or she's in Arkham and he hasn't been bothered to break her out, or he's just doing his own thing.
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** The relationship between the movie and the TV show simply has to be viewed as BroadStrokes; the movie is intended to be set in roughly the same universe as the cartoon, but it was also intended to be seen by a wider audience than might have just watched the cartoon, so they played a bit more fast and loose with some of the specific details rather than worrying too much about making sure everything fit nicely together. Basically, the movie is intended to be viewed as a self-contained story on its own terms from the cartoon series, not as an a purely interconnected extension of it, so while you can insert the events of the film into the canon of the cartoon and vice versa, you have to be willing to fudge some of the details if you're doing so. In the case of the OP, if you're viewing the film as a stand-alone entity she doesn't exist for the purposes of the film; if you're working it into the canon of the cartoon then she's just elsewhere, either because she hasn't met the Joker yet, or she's in Arkham and he hasn't been bothered to break her out, or he's just doing his own thing.
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* "It's got to be one or the other, I can't have it both ways. I can't put myself on the line as long as there's someone waiting for me to come home." Wasn't this attitude already dated at the time? {{Battle Couple}}s weren't a new thing. This idea that if Bruce wanted to be a hero, his wife would either not know or be sitting at home completely uninvolved, is just taken for granted despite... feeling so foreign to fiction at the time and before. He never even considers telling Andrea his dream and getting her opinion or advice on it.
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* "It's got to be one or the other, I can't have it both ways. I can't put myself on the line as long as there's someone waiting for me to come home." Wasn't this attitude already dated at the time? {{Battle Couple}}s weren't a new thing. This idea that if Bruce wanted to be a hero, his wife would either not know or be sitting at home completely uninvolved, is just taken for granted despite... feeling so foreign to fiction at the time and before. He never even considers telling Andrea his dream and getting her opinion or advice on it.it.
** It's less to do with the writers and more to do with Batman himself. And it's not like this is [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS1E5ThisLittlePiggy the first time]] that he's shown this [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies attitude]] either.
** It's less to do with the writers and more to do with Batman himself. And it's not like this is [[Recap/JusticeLeagueUnlimitedS1E5ThisLittlePiggy the first time]] that he's shown this [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies attitude]] either.
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** She may not be bitter at Bruce specifically, but she's bitter enough about the whole situation to lash out. Batman, despite his own emotional issues, knows how people behave well enough to understand that.
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* How does the scene in Andrea's apartment make sense? She needs to get him out asap. But why does she think it's logical to act like a bitter ex? Like ''she's'' the one with a reason to hold a grudge? Andrea knows that from Bruce's perspective, ''she'' dumped ''him''. Why isn't Batman confused by her attitude, acting like he broke her heart when she's the one who broke his? Her choice of character doesn't make sense, and Batman acting like it's so natural doesn't make sense. And why did she want to hurt him with that overly affectionate act with Arthur? She has no reason to have a grudge against Bruce -- again, he didn't break her heart. Neither the real Andrea nor the fake one she pretends to be had a motive for doing that.
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* How does the scene in Andrea's apartment make sense? She needs to get him out asap. But why does she think it's logical to act like a bitter ex? Like ''she's'' the one with a reason to hold a grudge? Andrea knows that from Bruce's perspective, ''she'' dumped ''him''. Why isn't Batman confused by her attitude, acting like he broke her heart when she's the one who broke his? Her choice of character doesn't make sense, and Batman acting like it's so natural doesn't make sense. And why did she want to hurt him with that overly affectionate act with Arthur? She has no reason to have a grudge against Bruce -- again, he didn't break her heart. Neither the real Andrea nor the fake one she pretends to be had a motive for doing that.that.
* "It's got to be one or the other, I can't have it both ways. I can't put myself on the line as long as there's someone waiting for me to come home." Wasn't this attitude already dated at the time? {{Battle Couple}}s weren't a new thing. This idea that if Bruce wanted to be a hero, his wife would either not know or be sitting at home completely uninvolved, is just taken for granted despite... feeling so foreign to fiction at the time and before. He never even considers telling Andrea his dream and getting her opinion or advice on it.
* "It's got to be one or the other, I can't have it both ways. I can't put myself on the line as long as there's someone waiting for me to come home." Wasn't this attitude already dated at the time? {{Battle Couple}}s weren't a new thing. This idea that if Bruce wanted to be a hero, his wife would either not know or be sitting at home completely uninvolved, is just taken for granted despite... feeling so foreign to fiction at the time and before. He never even considers telling Andrea his dream and getting her opinion or advice on it.
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** A tie-in comic reveals that she did but by the time of the end of Mask of the Phantasm, she finally given up in getting revenge.
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* How does the scene in Andrea's apartment make sense? She needs to get him out asap. But why does she think it's logical to act like a bitter ex? Like ''she's'' the one with a reason to hold a grudge? Andrea knows that from Bruce's perspective, ''she'' dumped ''him''. Why isn't Batman confused by her attitude, acting like he broke her heart when she's the one who broke his? Her choice of character doesn't make sense, and Batman acting like it's so natural doesn't make sense. And why did she want to hurt him with that overly affectionate act with Arthur? She has no reason to have a grudge against Bruce -- again, he didn't break her heart. Neither the real Andrea nor the fake one she pretends to be had a motive for doing that.
* How does the scene in Andrea's apartment make sense? She needs to get him out asap. But why does she think it's logical to act like a bitter ex? Like ''she's'' the one with a reason to hold a grudge? Andrea knows that from Bruce's perspective, ''she'' dumped ''him''. Why isn't Batman confused by her attitude, acting like he broke her heart when she's the one who broke his? Her choice of character doesn't make sense, and Batman acting like it's so natural doesn't make sense. And why did she want to hurt him with that overly affectionate act with Arthur? She has no reason to have a grudge against Bruce -- again, he didn't break her heart. Neither the real Andrea nor the fake one she pretends to be had a motive for doing that.
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** The [[https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/scripts/batman-mask-of-the-phantasm-1993.pdf screenplay]] actually addresses this during Andrea's flashback. Valestra left Jack Napier behind to stand watch over the Beaumont estate just in case Carl tried something. Carl and Andrea escaped during a moment of brief distraction on Napier's part. It appears the full sequence was either never animated, or excised from the film's theatrical cut.
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** The [[https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/scripts/batman-mask-of-the-phantasm-1993.pdf screenplay]] actually addresses fills in this plot hole this during Andrea's flashback. Valestra left Jack Napier behind to stand watch over the Beaumont estate just in case Carl tried something. to make a run for it. Carl and Andrea escaped made their getaway during a moment of brief distraction on Napier's part. It appears the full sequence was either never animated, or excised deleted from the film's theatrical final cut.
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** The [[https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/scripts/batman-mask-of-the-phantasm-1993.pdf screenplay]] actually addresses this during Andrea's flashback. Valestra left Jack Napier behind to stand watch over the Beaumont estate just in case Carl tried something. Carl and Andrea escaped during a moment of brief distraction on Napier's part. It appears the full sequence was either never animated, or excised from the film's theatrical cut.
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** The relationship between the movie and the TV show simply has to be viewed as BroadStrokes; the movie is intended to be set in roughly the same universe as the cartoon, but it was also intended to be seen by a wider audience than might have just watched the cartoon, so they played a bit more fast and loose with some of the specific details rather than worrying too much about making sure everything fit nicely together. Basically, the movie is intended to be viewed as a self-contained story on its own terms from the cartoon series, not as an interconnected extension of it, so while you can insert the events of the film into the canon of the cartoon and vice versa, you have to be willing to fudge some of the details if you're doing so. In the case of the OP, if you're viewing the film as a stand-alone entity she doesn't exist for the purposes of the film; if you're working it into the canon of the cartoon then she's just elsewhere, either because she hasn't met the Joker yet, or she's in Arkham and he hasn't been bothered to break her out, or he's just doing his own thing.
** Also, just plain and simple desperation. Either the Joker ''might'' kill him, or the terrifying shadowy skull-faced working through his associates under cover of night will ''definitely'' kill him. Better the devil you know, and such.
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* How the Joker even managed to enter into the building where Arthur Reeves' office was? He is a deranged and wanted crimina!!! criminal!!! I don't think that he simply walked to the building, entered as if nothing and went up the stairs or took the elevator just like that without anyone raising the alarm...
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** Also, to be fair to Bruce, Andrea is a bit of a sore subject with him; lost loves who broke your heart by cancelling your engagement and disappearing, leaving you with nothing but to become a vigilante of the night tend to have that effect. He probably doesn't particularly appreciate Alfred bringing her up at all, much less using her as an opportunity to nag him about stopping being Batman, even if it's well-meant. Especially since it turns out he would have been perfectly happy to not be Batman and marry her; she was the one who broke it off, not him, so Alfred implicitly acting like it was his fault (even if unwittingly) is probably just rubbing salt into the wound.
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** He probably thought Bruce's personal feelings are clouding his judgement.
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** A tie-in comic reveals that she did but by the time of the end of Mask of the Phantasm, she finally given up in getting revenge.
* Did Andrea ever found out that her old friend Arthur Reeves was the one who sold them
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** In the scene, he's wearing a trench coat and wide-brimmed hat. It's conceivable that he could have slipped through any crowded areas unrecognized with the hat tilted down and the coat's collar popped up.
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* Why was Batman being rude to Alfred when he asked him if he plans to reunite with Andrea after clearing his name? Is it because Alfred's right but Batman is just too focus on "the mission", so he denies it?
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* Why was Batman being rude to Alfred when he asked him if he plans to reunite with Andrea after clearing his name? Is it because Alfred's right but Batman is just too focus on "the mission", so he denies it?it?
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* Did Andrea ever found out that his old friend Arthur Reeves was the one who sold them out?
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*** I dunno; they turned on Batman ''awfully'' fast when the Phantasm started killing people.
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** The city councilman that was tied into everything talked with the Joker who told him outright it wasn't the Batman. It's likely he told the cops about it later.
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** He could have snuck in, since he told Arthur he wouldn't want anyone wondering why the Joker was visiting him. Besides, he could have just ran out before the cops show up after getting what he needed to know.know.
* Why was Batman being rude to Alfred when he asked him if he plans to reunite with Andrea after clearing his name? Is it because Alfred's right but Batman is just too focus on "the mission", so he denies it?
* Why was Batman being rude to Alfred when he asked him if he plans to reunite with Andrea after clearing his name? Is it because Alfred's right but Batman is just too focus on "the mission", so he denies it?
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* How the Joker even managed to enter into the building where Arthur Reeves' office was? He is a deranged and wanted crimina!!! I don't think that he simply walked to the building, entered as if nothing and went up the stairs or took the elevator just like that without anyone raising the alarm...
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* How the Joker even managed to enter into the building where Arthur Reeves' office was? He is a deranged and wanted crimina!!! I don't think that he simply walked to the building, entered as if nothing and went up the stairs or took the elevator just like that without anyone raising the alarm...alarm...
** He could have snuck in, since he told Arthur he wouldn't want anyone wondering why the Joker was visiting him. Besides, he could have just ran out before the cops show up after getting what he needed to know.
** He could have snuck in, since he told Arthur he wouldn't want anyone wondering why the Joker was visiting him. Besides, he could have just ran out before the cops show up after getting what he needed to know.
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** Andrea appears as the Phantasm in Epilogue, hired by Amanda Waller to kill Terry's father, indicating that she is alive in the future.
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* How the Joker even managed to enter into the building where Arthur Reeves' office was? He is a deranged and wanted crimina?!?!?!? crimina!!! I don't think that he simply walked to the building, entered as if nothing and went up the stairs or took the elevator just like that without anyone raising the alarm...
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* Why Valestra didn't think of leaving any of his henchmen spying near the Beaumont residence to check that they didn't leave the town? It was pretty clear that Carl wasn't going to be able to pay them back, so him running away from Gotham was very likely to happen. I think Valestra should have left someone near the house to report him if Carl and Andrea did something suspicious, like running away from the house with suitcases.
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* Why Valestra didn't think of leaving any of his henchmen spying near the Beaumont residence to check that they didn't leave the town? It was pretty clear that Carl wasn't going to be able to pay them back, back by the next day, so him running away from Gotham was very likely to happen. I think Valestra should have left someone near the house to report him if Carl and Andrea did something suspicious, like running away from the house with suitcases.
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** It's also pretty clear that, while he's still wealthy, Valestra's glory days are well behind him. He may not even have body guards anymore, either because he's out of the game entirely (he seemed to be minding his own business before he realized all his own goons were getting killed) or because money's too tight these days to have anyone in his employ and still enjoy a rich lifestyle.
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** It's also pretty clear that, while he's still wealthy, Valestra's glory days are well behind him. He may not even have body guards anymore, either because he's out of the game entirely (he seemed to be minding his own business before he realized all his own goons were getting killed) or because money's too tight these days to have anyone in his employ and still enjoy a rich lifestyle.lifestyle.
* Why Valestra didn't think of leaving any of his henchmen spying near the Beaumont residence to check that they didn't leave the town? It was pretty clear that Carl wasn't going to be able to pay them back, so him running away from Gotham was very likely to happen. I think Valestra should have left someone near the house to report him if Carl and Andrea did something suspicious, like running away from the house with suitcases.
* How the Joker even managed to enter into the building where Arthur Reeves' office was? He is a deranged and wanted crimina?!?!?!? I don't think that he simply walked to the building, entered as if nothing and went up the stairs or took the elevator just like that without anyone raising the alarm...
* Why Valestra didn't think of leaving any of his henchmen spying near the Beaumont residence to check that they didn't leave the town? It was pretty clear that Carl wasn't going to be able to pay them back, so him running away from Gotham was very likely to happen. I think Valestra should have left someone near the house to report him if Carl and Andrea did something suspicious, like running away from the house with suitcases.
* How the Joker even managed to enter into the building where Arthur Reeves' office was? He is a deranged and wanted crimina?!?!?!? I don't think that he simply walked to the building, entered as if nothing and went up the stairs or took the elevator just like that without anyone raising the alarm...
