History Headscratchers / AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth

*** The one where Franziska was accused was obvious from the very beginning that Lang was stalling to keep Alba from kicking everyone out of the embassy. Lang had to come up with a plausible accusation to keep the investigation going, and he knew that Edgeworth could figure out who the real criminal was and prove it while proving Franziska's innocence.

* A minor nitpick: in the second game (''Gyakuten Kenji 2/Ace Attorney Investigations 2), in Turnabout Target, during [[spoiler:Naito's]] VillainousBreakdown, [[spoiler:just ''where'' the hell did all those random items come from to hit Naito on the head? The brwakdowns in this game are very Narmtastic in general, but this was just..weird. Also, why was ''the Thinker'' among the items? Considering Cindy Stone and Mia Fey both died from one hit with the object, how did Naito survive?]]

* A minor nitpick: in the second game (''Gyakuten Kenji 2/Ace Attorney Investigations 2), in Turnabout Target, during [[spoiler:Naito's]] VillainousBreakdown, [[spoiler:just ''where'' the hell did all those random items come from to hit Naito on the head? The brwakdowns in this game are [[Narm very Narmtastic in general]], but this was just..weird. Also, why was ''the Thinker'' among the items? Considering Cindy Stone and Mia Fey both died from one hit with the object, how did Naito survive?]]

* In the second game, how exactly did the BigBad [[spoiler: who was orphaned at 6, ran away from the orphanage at 12, joined the circus 1-2 years prior to the game manage to gain enough cash to hire a high-class assassin?]]

** [[FridgeBrilliance All things]] [[FridgeHorror considered]]... [[BluntYes Yes]].

** I think it's supposed to reflect Edgeworth's own morals when he first became a prosecutor as Manfred had taught him; you never know who's the criminal, so get them all guilty. In the final case, he really does grow and seem to realize he shouldn't take out his anger on Edgeworth or other prosecutors, but rather on those ''really'' deserving of it. Sorta what Edgeworth himself did with Wright in some of the last cases of the first game. -shrugs- I just felt it was a good contrast and he was an overall interesting character. [[YourMileageMayVary But I can see where you're coming from.]]

** [[YourMileageMayVary Says you.]] I can see why that could be creepy, but I just thought [[{{Narm}} it was really funny.]] Combining that with the ridiculous ScoobyDoo ShoutOut ("I would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you meddling prosecutors!"), the end of that case was a bit [[{{Narm}} Narmtastic.]]

* On a slightly related subject, isn't it a bit redundant in the AceAttorney universe to make the perpetrator break down into a MotiveRant before he's anywhere near a courtroom? There's at least one possible exception given ([[spoiler:the question of whether or not Lance was justified in killing Oliver will be raised in trial]]), but it's like the game's claiming that police who aren't evil or incompetent shouldn't arrest anyone unless they confess first... which kinda renders the next step pointless.

** The true culprit [[spoiler:was an attorney]] so she probably brought it in under the guise of trial evidence.

* Regarding the second game, and Shigaraki's participation in the final trial... [[spoiler:doesn't it seem like a breach of conduct for Shigaraki, otherwise an unambiguous good guy, to use his position as court-appointed defense attorney to ''actively aid the prosecution in convicting his client''? Yes, I know she was guilty as hell and that Bansai was pulling out all the stops in order to get her acquitted, but that doesn't make it ''right.'' Further, when Mikagami calls him on it, he retorts that she was there and knows she's guilty too, her response is basically chalked up as a strawman argument she doesn't actually believe, since she's acting as a mother in fear for her son's life rather than a judge, but it turns into a case of StrawmanHasAPoint for me. What business does he have acting as Miwa's attorney if he knows he can't bring himself to actually defend her? Is this whole business the reason why, elsewhere in the series, getting saddled with a court-appointed lawyer is treated as tantamount to a death sentence?]]

** How would Kay have helped him up from there? She doesn't have a way of getting him up to the lockers, such as a ladder or rope, and she can't open the door to the kidnappers' meeting room from the outside because of the sword.

**** Among Edgeworth's investigative rivals, several of them are actively trying to cover up the murder- [[spoiler: Portsman, Yew, Shih-na (who didn't kill either of the victims but worked for the person who did), Naito and Bansai]].

**** Among Edgeworth's investigative rivals, several of them are actively trying to cover up the murder- Portsman, Yew, Shih-na (who didn't kill either of the victims but worked for the person who did), Naito and Bansai.

** Not really because this would have still ended up being incriminating. Like Edgwworth says, the true culprit used his non-Domestic hand to make the attacker seem like someone else. If the killer had have used a left-handed backhand swipe then it would seem pretty strange seeing as how the killer had no reason to pull of such a complicated attack just to hit someone who had there back turn to them. Also, this means that it would have been more incriminating because, the true culprit, who was left-handed, would have been in more danger of getting found out. Therefor, the killer wouldn't have pulled of such a move and if they had have then it would still lead to the same conclusion that was made.

** Edgeworth might be a bit of a NeatFreak? Hey, he's got a nice suit, for crying out loud!

* In I-3, at the very beginning, when Kay and Edgeworth are trapped in the room, there's a bunch of lockers in front of the windows. Kay tries to jump up and grab ahold of them, but they're too high up. My problem with this is: Why doesn't Edgeworth just let her stand on his shoulders, or his entwined hands? It looks like that would have been enough to get to the top of the lockers, and she could help him up from there.

*** Being authorized to carry a gun is no reason to let them carry it while they're under suspicion and being accused of things. They didn't pat down any suspects in case 1 until the end, didn't pat down any suspects in case 2 (though it was highly unlikely that the killer had a gun in that case), ''not sure about case 3'', didn't pat down any suspects in case 4 (which would have been smart even though the murder weapons were apparently accounted for), and didn't pat down any suspects in case 5.

*** It might just be because of this little fact, which is also one of the things that annoys me: They always, ALWAYS accuse the people who absolutely couldn't have commited the crime due to their personality/lack of motive. Shall we draw up a list of "suspects"? Gumshoe (TWICE), Maggey Byrde, Edgeworth himself, Mike Meekins, Kay, Larry, Franziska...reckon any of them could commit murder? No? Neither does Edgeworth. It became my pet peeve with this game that it was '''obvious''' the accused didn't do it, but you still had to prove it by going up against some painfully plausible explainations. And he isn't being arrogant; he's normally the only one there who actually cares about bringing in the right person. Gumshoe mentions in the first game that he has a trusting work relationship with Edgeworth because "he trusts that we've got the right guy". That's part of him "finding the truth"; he assumes that the police have done their job, and if they haven't, then he'll unveil what the truth really is. If he can help the police get the right man in the first place, then that's a lot less work for him to do later.

** His family was disgraced because ''despite'' arresting people carefully and with legitimate evidence, the prosecutor in charge tampered with the evidence and got the case thrown out. Lang's stance at the start of the game reflects a bitterness knowing guilt is ultimately going to be determined by the prosecutors who don't care about the work that goes into arresting people -- the polar opposite of how Gumshoe feels Edgeworth treats the work of detectives.

*** My point was neither [[spoiler: Yew, Faraday, or Badd]] have any indication that they're Japanese. It undenaiably made sense in the original Japanese but considering the [[{{Woosleyism}} general translation stance]] using a Japanese name in a game which pretends that it takes place in America is odd.

** Besides, the [[spoiler:fake mirror wall]] was a secret, used to create the [[spoiler:dissapearing badger]] trick. If someone who wasn't part of the theme park's staff got a hold of it, the secret to the trick would be spilled.

* I-5 okay so [[spoiler: Quercus Alba's]] blood just happens to [[spoiler: land ''exactly'' on the little circle on the samurai dogs wrapping, and completely fills it up,]] and Oldbag just happens to [[spoiler: steal that very samurai dog that proves Alba did it.]] My problem is that this is requires way to much suspension of disbeleif and ContrivedCoincdence to work.

** Not to mention, in the words of Phoenix Wright: "It may be almost impossible but almost impossible is not impossible." Yes it seems EXTREMELY unlikely that the blood would do this however one could argue to oppisite: There is a change (a small change but still a change) that this could happen with some extreme luck. Saying that something that is "improbable" in a plot of a game is a plot hole is just not true considering how, there ARE coincidences just like this one that have happened many times in real life.