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* The war between the [[OrderVersusChaos Messians and Gaians]] in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' and ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' works a little like this, if you don't see it as Evil: the former are basically a well-meaning, LawfulGood people ruled by a group of genocidal {{Knight Templar}}s, and the latter are mostly a bunch of ChaoticEvil anarchists ruled over by a few wiser demons that either want to stop the Messians from carrying out their UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans plan or wish to achieve true freedom from the oppressive reign of {{God}}. The closest thing to a compromise that you can achieve is deciding to destroy both groups.
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* The war between the [[OrderVersusChaos Messians and Gaians]] in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' and ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' works a little like this, if you don't see it as Evil: the former are basically a well-meaning, LawfulGood well-meaning people ruled by a group of genocidal {{Knight Templar}}s, and the latter are mostly a bunch of ChaoticEvil anarchists ruled over by a few wiser demons that either want to stop the Messians from carrying out their UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans plan or wish to achieve true freedom from the oppressive reign of {{God}}. The closest thing to a compromise that you can achieve is deciding to destroy both groups.
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* ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'': While the leaders of that big corporation are a bunch of greedy assholes, most of the employees are just people doing their work or innocent victims who haven't done anything bad. The marines are usually well-meaning if slightly hardballed with their work. The Xenomorphs are obviously nasty bastards but in the video games, it's their territories that are being invaded and their queen violated, so in all rights, they're fighting a war of self-defence against the humans and the Yautja, thought with rules that aren't exactly what the Geneva Conventions would allow. The Yautja no doubt starts wars and deaths for no actual good reason but they do have standards on which things the hunters are allowed to kill; women, children, sick and old are forbidden to hunt but for the rest, it's a free game with whatever nasty and violent way they want to use.
* In ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'', both the Assassins and Templars seek a peaceful world, they just apply different methods, and neither side are purely good guys or bad guys. Supposedly. The success {{Creator/Ubisoft}} had in actually implementing this has been... mixed.
** In [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI the first game]], the overarching theme (which is echoed by Lucy in the present day) is that while the Templars' goals are honorable, the methods they go about attaining them are unacceptable, and thus it's up to the Assassins to thwart them. The entire game involves Altair taking out a series of Templar agents, all nasty at best and murderous at worst, each of whom, in dying, tries to convince Altair that he was in the wrong (unsuccessfully), interspersed with a series of conversations with Al-Mualim which reveal little. In the end, it turns out that Al-Mualim was secretly a double agent who had Altair kill the Templars to prevent them from recovering the Apple of Eden, which he uses to ''enslave the entire population of Masayaf''. (He ''did'' genuinely want to bring an end to the Crusades, but Altair believed it was wrong for him to do so through the illusion of brotherhood when the assassins had spent the whole time leading him to wisdom without needing mind control.) In the end, none of the unequivocally evil Templars are vindicated in any way, and Altair not only fully redeems himself but completely patches things up with his rivals and eventually succeeds Al-Mualim as grandmaster.
** Subversion in the [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII three]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Ezio]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations games]]. Rodrigo is a blood-drenched tyrant, Cesare is an outright ''psychopath'', and most other Templars are butchers, extortionists, corrupt officials, thieves, usurpers, or shady schemers. There are some exceptions such as the lawyer who acted against his friends out of fear of the Medici, more humble TragicVillain, and Revelations provides a bit more grey with the more mild-minded Palailogos who wants to regain his throne, or the more noble [[spoiler: Ahmet]] who was "tired of divisions". There's also mentions of how assassin non-interference with overarching politics led to some defections in the ranks. But overall, the templars are not portrayed in a very positive light. Meanwhile, Ezio originally joined the assassins for revenge but grew into their talks of freedom and equality over the course of his life, and not only proves his heroism countless times and transforms Rome from a broken-down slum to a beautiful, thriving metropolis pretty much singlehandedly. His Brotherhood becomes a force of good throughout Europe and much of Asia, promoting science and the arts, defending against invaders, and undertaking numerous public works projects.
** They finally got it right in [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII the third game]]. {{Creator/Ubisoft}} carefully crafted a balanced outlook of all four factions in UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution (Assassins, Templars, British, and Patriots) in the face of widespread criticism. The British, of course, have their share of {{Evil Brit}}s and atrocities, but want to hold their empire together more than anything else, while it's made very clear that the Colonials want freedom, but don't really care for ''[[TheHero Connor]]'s'' freedom, and in fact, Connor points out the [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] of wanting freedom while owning slaves. Then there's [[spoiler:George Washington destroying several native villages, including Connor's home village, which is TruthInTelevision]].
*** The Assassins were KnightInSourArmor at first in the colonies, while Conner is a man of principle who nonetheless often gets accused of extreme naivete for killing first without thinking of larger context. On the other hand, though, he's a generous and protective man, bringing tens of new assassins into the order with promises of safety and prosperity.
*** The Templars, meanwhile, have a variety of motives in being part of the order, but all of them end up [[VillainHasAPoint having at least something worthwhile to say]] when discussing their motives and plans. Haytham in particular is a cynical but pragmatic leader who wants to create an order under the Templars of equality and peace but does so in so many unsavory and manipulative ways that he ends up driving his son away from him.
*** Finally, this game introduces a bit of 'Black' into the mix: [[spoiler:Juno, who manipulated Assassins and Templars alike to bring about her own resurrection so she could conquer humanity.]]
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag Black Flag]]'' took a step backward. At first the Templars are seen to participate in activities that, while unsavory by today's standards, were fairly typical for privileged men of the era. (One even chides an associate who expresses disgust at his dealing in slaves, asking how subjugating black men is morally worse than subjugating all men.) Edward becomes a privateer, and later pirate, for the sole purpose of getting rich, and he's point-blank about this to everyone he meets. There are a few lines he won't cross... he reacts ''very'' negatively when someone asks if he's thinking of taking of slaving, for instance... but otherwise has no qualms about sacking ships, putting innocent sailors to the sword, and plundering warehouses, like any other good 'n hearty freebooter. When he meets the Assassins (whom he learns absolutely nothing about beforehand), they're portrayed as stubborn, unpleasant, highly territorial recluses. However, through a series of mutual struggles, Edward becomes sympathetic to the Assassins' cause, ultimately adding their symbol to his flag, and learns that the Templars intended to use the Sage as part of a plot to take over the English government. There's also a bit of greying in that some of Edward's pirate friends are more rambunctious than he is, showing that he keeps problematic company. Some of the pirates even defect to the Templars, believing either that the Templars at least would take care of them compared to the chaos of striking out on their own, or that the experiment of the Pirate Republic showed that the world needed the order the Templars offer. So while there are seductive points to these Templars overall, Edward concludes that as bad as he's been, what the Templars are doing is even worse.
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRogue Rogue]]'' made a huge turn to the point where it almost qualifies as role reversal. Achilles is a problematic Mentor who makes an error in judgment but refuses to see his actions as problematic. The other Master Assassins are either too stupid to see the problem, or too blinded by loyalty to call him out. He makes no attempt to cool off Shay after the highly traumatic destruction of Lisbon, leading to his defection. The lower-level Assassins have degenerated into criminal gangs whose sole purpose is to extort the populace and kill anyone who tries to root them out. Meanwhile, Shay gets won over by a wealthy Templar who seeks to rebuild parts of the Colonies ruined by war or neglect, and he takes on Christopher Gist, a charming, humorous rogue, as his quartermaster. Haytham, while cold-blooded as ever, never harms anyone who isn't already an acknowledged enemy. Not only don't we see the Templars do anything overtly evil, Shay performs some of the same tasks as Edward!
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity Unity]]'' gets back on track, but in a [[BrokenBase controversial way]]. The Continental Assassins are so wrapped up in arcane rules, methodology, and hierarchy that they butt heads with Arno who favors more direct actions against enemies. (In one revealing scene, he brings Belloq to justice after Belloq murdered their Mentor, for which he's ''punished''.) The Assassins fail to prevent a bloody revolution, protect their most powerful ally, the King, or stop any of the atrocities that happen after his death. Meanwhile, the Templars have split into 2 branches. One branch bears some similarities to the Assassins in being more moderated in their approach to influence government, and the Grandmaster of this branch was nice enough to take an Assassin under his wing to care and then indoctrinate him gradually to their ways. The other branch creates a complicated scheme to portray the King as an out-of-touch petty tyrant so that the people will overthrow him, which will lead to chaos and teach them to hate that kind of chaos. Then, once things settle down, the people will desire order above all else from structures rather than power, thus putting the Templars into power as the solution. Arno thwarts several of their plans, and despite the fact that he isn't popular at all within the Assassin organization, the revolutionary Templars don't try to win him to their side. Ultimately their plan succeeds, but unfortunately their long-term success is hampered after the death of their leader. As for Arno himself, he starts out as a good-for-nothing young punk ''a la'' Ezio and gets drawn into the Assassins out of a desire for revenge, but never truly embraces their way of thinking and is motivated primarily by his love for Elise (which doesn't end well).
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedSyndicate Syndicate]]'' is also grey but in a different sort of way. The Templars in this game are captains of industry, science, and power. In a sense, none of them are the VisionaryVillain of older generations but are just trying to make their way in London area. Of course, this involves things like worker exploitation, human experiments with lethal consequences, trade monopolies, robbery, government assassination attempts, and running city gangs. That being said though, their leader is a cool-headed and even somewhat compassionate BenevolentBoss who loves his family, loyal underlings, and even raises wages to counter inflation during a financial crisis. The Assassins, meanwhile, have been trying to work around London for generations, while our player characters cause two kinds of problems. Jacob is a DestructiveSavior who often causes problems for ordinary people as he goes around killing Templars, but at least he's trying to move forward with generally improving the city. Evie, meanwhile, is more interested in going after the Pieces of Eden and learning more about London before helping, but her tunnel vision sometimes frustrates her brother due to her perceived lack of action. Both, however, DO want to help out the masses, and both in the end are shown to be hopeful, strong assassins who are all about saving lives, just with different ideas about how to do that. Near the end of the game, their roles even switch for a time, with Jacob wanting to sit back and wait, while Evie wants to bust heads.
** In [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI the first game]], the overarching theme (which is echoed by Lucy in the present day) is that while the Templars' goals are honorable, the methods they go about attaining them are unacceptable, and thus it's up to the Assassins to thwart them. The entire game involves Altair taking out a series of Templar agents, all nasty at best and murderous at worst, each of whom, in dying, tries to convince Altair that he was in the wrong (unsuccessfully), interspersed with a series of conversations with Al-Mualim which reveal little. In the end, it turns out that Al-Mualim was secretly a double agent who had Altair kill the Templars to prevent them from recovering the Apple of Eden, which he uses to ''enslave the entire population of Masayaf''. (He ''did'' genuinely want to bring an end to the Crusades, but Altair believed it was wrong for him to do so through the illusion of brotherhood when the assassins had spent the whole time leading him to wisdom without needing mind control.) In the end, none of the unequivocally evil Templars are vindicated in any way, and Altair not only fully redeems himself but completely patches things up with his rivals and eventually succeeds Al-Mualim as grandmaster.
** Subversion in the [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII three]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Ezio]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations games]]. Rodrigo is a blood-drenched tyrant, Cesare is an outright ''psychopath'', and most other Templars are butchers, extortionists, corrupt officials, thieves, usurpers, or shady schemers. There are some exceptions such as the lawyer who acted against his friends out of fear of the Medici, more humble TragicVillain, and Revelations provides a bit more grey with the more mild-minded Palailogos who wants to regain his throne, or the more noble [[spoiler: Ahmet]] who was "tired of divisions". There's also mentions of how assassin non-interference with overarching politics led to some defections in the ranks. But overall, the templars are not portrayed in a very positive light. Meanwhile, Ezio originally joined the assassins for revenge but grew into their talks of freedom and equality over the course of his life, and not only proves his heroism countless times and transforms Rome from a broken-down slum to a beautiful, thriving metropolis pretty much singlehandedly. His Brotherhood becomes a force of good throughout Europe and much of Asia, promoting science and the arts, defending against invaders, and undertaking numerous public works projects.
** They finally got it right in [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII the third game]]. {{Creator/Ubisoft}} carefully crafted a balanced outlook of all four factions in UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution (Assassins, Templars, British, and Patriots) in the face of widespread criticism. The British, of course, have their share of {{Evil Brit}}s and atrocities, but want to hold their empire together more than anything else, while it's made very clear that the Colonials want freedom, but don't really care for ''[[TheHero Connor]]'s'' freedom, and in fact, Connor points out the [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] of wanting freedom while owning slaves. Then there's [[spoiler:George Washington destroying several native villages, including Connor's home village, which is TruthInTelevision]].
*** The Assassins were KnightInSourArmor at first in the colonies, while Conner is a man of principle who nonetheless often gets accused of extreme naivete for killing first without thinking of larger context. On the other hand, though, he's a generous and protective man, bringing tens of new assassins into the order with promises of safety and prosperity.
*** The Templars, meanwhile, have a variety of motives in being part of the order, but all of them end up [[VillainHasAPoint having at least something worthwhile to say]] when discussing their motives and plans. Haytham in particular is a cynical but pragmatic leader who wants to create an order under the Templars of equality and peace but does so in so many unsavory and manipulative ways that he ends up driving his son away from him.
*** Finally, this game introduces a bit of 'Black' into the mix: [[spoiler:Juno, who manipulated Assassins and Templars alike to bring about her own resurrection so she could conquer humanity.]]
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag Black Flag]]'' took a step backward. At first the Templars are seen to participate in activities that, while unsavory by today's standards, were fairly typical for privileged men of the era. (One even chides an associate who expresses disgust at his dealing in slaves, asking how subjugating black men is morally worse than subjugating all men.) Edward becomes a privateer, and later pirate, for the sole purpose of getting rich, and he's point-blank about this to everyone he meets. There are a few lines he won't cross... he reacts ''very'' negatively when someone asks if he's thinking of taking of slaving, for instance... but otherwise has no qualms about sacking ships, putting innocent sailors to the sword, and plundering warehouses, like any other good 'n hearty freebooter. When he meets the Assassins (whom he learns absolutely nothing about beforehand), they're portrayed as stubborn, unpleasant, highly territorial recluses. However, through a series of mutual struggles, Edward becomes sympathetic to the Assassins' cause, ultimately adding their symbol to his flag, and learns that the Templars intended to use the Sage as part of a plot to take over the English government. There's also a bit of greying in that some of Edward's pirate friends are more rambunctious than he is, showing that he keeps problematic company. Some of the pirates even defect to the Templars, believing either that the Templars at least would take care of them compared to the chaos of striking out on their own, or that the experiment of the Pirate Republic showed that the world needed the order the Templars offer. So while there are seductive points to these Templars overall, Edward concludes that as bad as he's been, what the Templars are doing is even worse.
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRogue Rogue]]'' made a huge turn to the point where it almost qualifies as role reversal. Achilles is a problematic Mentor who makes an error in judgment but refuses to see his actions as problematic. The other Master Assassins are either too stupid to see the problem, or too blinded by loyalty to call him out. He makes no attempt to cool off Shay after the highly traumatic destruction of Lisbon, leading to his defection. The lower-level Assassins have degenerated into criminal gangs whose sole purpose is to extort the populace and kill anyone who tries to root them out. Meanwhile, Shay gets won over by a wealthy Templar who seeks to rebuild parts of the Colonies ruined by war or neglect, and he takes on Christopher Gist, a charming, humorous rogue, as his quartermaster. Haytham, while cold-blooded as ever, never harms anyone who isn't already an acknowledged enemy. Not only don't we see the Templars do anything overtly evil, Shay performs some of the same tasks as Edward!
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity Unity]]'' gets back on track, but in a [[BrokenBase controversial way]]. The Continental Assassins are so wrapped up in arcane rules, methodology, and hierarchy that they butt heads with Arno who favors more direct actions against enemies. (In one revealing scene, he brings Belloq to justice after Belloq murdered their Mentor, for which he's ''punished''.) The Assassins fail to prevent a bloody revolution, protect their most powerful ally, the King, or stop any of the atrocities that happen after his death. Meanwhile, the Templars have split into 2 branches. One branch bears some similarities to the Assassins in being more moderated in their approach to influence government, and the Grandmaster of this branch was nice enough to take an Assassin under his wing to care and then indoctrinate him gradually to their ways. The other branch creates a complicated scheme to portray the King as an out-of-touch petty tyrant so that the people will overthrow him, which will lead to chaos and teach them to hate that kind of chaos. Then, once things settle down, the people will desire order above all else from structures rather than power, thus putting the Templars into power as the solution. Arno thwarts several of their plans, and despite the fact that he isn't popular at all within the Assassin organization, the revolutionary Templars don't try to win him to their side. Ultimately their plan succeeds, but unfortunately their long-term success is hampered after the death of their leader. As for Arno himself, he starts out as a good-for-nothing young punk ''a la'' Ezio and gets drawn into the Assassins out of a desire for revenge, but never truly embraces their way of thinking and is motivated primarily by his love for Elise (which doesn't end well).
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedSyndicate Syndicate]]'' is also grey but in a different sort of way. The Templars in this game are captains of industry, science, and power. In a sense, none of them are the VisionaryVillain of older generations but are just trying to make their way in London area. Of course, this involves things like worker exploitation, human experiments with lethal consequences, trade monopolies, robbery, government assassination attempts, and running city gangs. That being said though, their leader is a cool-headed and even somewhat compassionate BenevolentBoss who loves his family, loyal underlings, and even raises wages to counter inflation during a financial crisis. The Assassins, meanwhile, have been trying to work around London for generations, while our player characters cause two kinds of problems. Jacob is a DestructiveSavior who often causes problems for ordinary people as he goes around killing Templars, but at least he's trying to move forward with generally improving the city. Evie, meanwhile, is more interested in going after the Pieces of Eden and learning more about London before helping, but her tunnel vision sometimes frustrates her brother due to her perceived lack of action. Both, however, DO want to help out the masses, and both in the end are shown to be hopeful, strong assassins who are all about saving lives, just with different ideas about how to do that. Near the end of the game, their roles even switch for a time, with Jacob wanting to sit back and wait, while Evie wants to bust heads.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Avadon}}'', both [[spoiler:Redbeard]] and [[spoiler:the Duke]] have both positive and negative traits that can make it hard to decide who to side with.
* In regards to the [[WeAreStrugglingTogether conflict between the five main factions]] of ''VideoGame/{{Battleborn}}'', each faction is nuanced in general.
** The UPR are altruistic soldiers dedicated to rescuing and protecting refugees fleeing from the Varelsi threat. However, beneath this otherwise good face, the faction has a dark side, one which is steeped in bureaucracy, draconian law enforcement, and even forbidden genetic experimentation and clone soldier production. This has led them to doing some hard and questionable decisions such as a forceful attempt to set a base on Ekkunar in the past until they were driven off by the Eldrid. Furthermore, where the other factions can be characterized by their position on how to save Solus, the UPR's focus is squarely on the preservation of life, no matter the cost even if the star is lost.
** The Eldrid are firm believers of being in harmony with natural laws of the universe. They prefer to simply observe, preserve, and catalog all that they can find and be one with nature rather than impose upon it. Although that may be the case, their beliefs at its core are more the reverence of the natural order of the cosmos itself and less of life. They believe that the universe should be left alone to run its course even if it means natural death and entropy. As such, they greatly oppose anything that would disrupt the natural order of the universe even going so far in some cases as to attack or sabotage the efforts of certain other factions regardless of whatever these factions' motives may be.
** The LLC are an aristocratic merchant class focused solely on making a profit even at end of the universe. They sell weapons and such to the other factions regardless of the cost as long as they get paid. On top of that, even the kindest of the LLC members have an air of aristocracy, entitlement, and affluence that cannot completely be shed; whether that means a daily assumption that someone is there to clean your dress or firmware-held beliefs that all beings of lesser classes must be eliminated to raise the value of the remaining universe. While they certainly wish to preserve the universe, if it were to come to a sudden and dramatic end, the LLC would be the group selling tickets to the live stream to watch the last battle.
** The Rogues are the truest form of outcasts, rejects, and wanderers from every civilization and walk of life. They are vagabonds, pirates, raiders, mercenaries, hermits –- beings who value personal freedom over anything else. For some Rogues, that freedom means a life of freeing possessions from other people. For other Rogues, it just means living in isolation, free from the rules, restrictions, and conflict of the rest of the universe. While not every Rogue is a criminal, certainly there are a few who just want to be left alone, but most Rogues value freedom and pleasure, sometimes in that order. The Rogues are wild, weird, and individualistic however despite their differences, the Rogues share one thing in common: They do want to survive. They have all spent their lives trying to avoid capture or destruction, and now that their home, the Last Star, is threatened, many of them will put their criminal empires on hold in order to turn their attentions to the real enemies – Rendain and the Varelsi.
** The Jennerit are the bad guys among the five factions. They're pragmatic and ruthless, more than willing to manipulate and control anything and everything to accomplish their goals and achieve what they view as perfect. They even go so far as to bend the natural laws of the universe in order to gain things such as immortal life. What they can't control or fix to fit their concepts of perfection, they destroy. The Jennerit are in essence everything associated with a stereotypical evil empire. Despite this, however, they are not necessarily "the bad guys". Although they fit the bill, not all of them are evil. It's just that they're not nice and have rather "flexible ethics". The Jennerit did ally with the other factions against the Varelsi as the strongest military force before Rendain betrayed everyone and decided to have the Jennerit switch sides. Even then though, the Jennerit are split within Rendain's Imperium between those who follow him and those who rebel against him. In fact, Rendain himself is not exactly evil as he's ultimately driven by a desire to save something of the universe from what he perceives as inevitable even if it means screwing everyone else.
** Also a DeconstructedTrope since the quirks and traits of all of these factions are what forced people like [[OnlySaneMan Trevor Ghalt]] and the [[TitleDrop titular]] [[RagTagBunchOfMisfits Battleborn]] on trying to stem the tide of Valresi rather than entering in [[WeAreStrugglingTogether pointless war against each other]] out of both resources and bitterness.
** The UPR are altruistic soldiers dedicated to rescuing and protecting refugees fleeing from the Varelsi threat. However, beneath this otherwise good face, the faction has a dark side, one which is steeped in bureaucracy, draconian law enforcement, and even forbidden genetic experimentation and clone soldier production. This has led them to doing some hard and questionable decisions such as a forceful attempt to set a base on Ekkunar in the past until they were driven off by the Eldrid. Furthermore, where the other factions can be characterized by their position on how to save Solus, the UPR's focus is squarely on the preservation of life, no matter the cost even if the star is lost.
** The Eldrid are firm believers of being in harmony with natural laws of the universe. They prefer to simply observe, preserve, and catalog all that they can find and be one with nature rather than impose upon it. Although that may be the case, their beliefs at its core are more the reverence of the natural order of the cosmos itself and less of life. They believe that the universe should be left alone to run its course even if it means natural death and entropy. As such, they greatly oppose anything that would disrupt the natural order of the universe even going so far in some cases as to attack or sabotage the efforts of certain other factions regardless of whatever these factions' motives may be.
** The LLC are an aristocratic merchant class focused solely on making a profit even at end of the universe. They sell weapons and such to the other factions regardless of the cost as long as they get paid. On top of that, even the kindest of the LLC members have an air of aristocracy, entitlement, and affluence that cannot completely be shed; whether that means a daily assumption that someone is there to clean your dress or firmware-held beliefs that all beings of lesser classes must be eliminated to raise the value of the remaining universe. While they certainly wish to preserve the universe, if it were to come to a sudden and dramatic end, the LLC would be the group selling tickets to the live stream to watch the last battle.
** The Rogues are the truest form of outcasts, rejects, and wanderers from every civilization and walk of life. They are vagabonds, pirates, raiders, mercenaries, hermits –- beings who value personal freedom over anything else. For some Rogues, that freedom means a life of freeing possessions from other people. For other Rogues, it just means living in isolation, free from the rules, restrictions, and conflict of the rest of the universe. While not every Rogue is a criminal, certainly there are a few who just want to be left alone, but most Rogues value freedom and pleasure, sometimes in that order. The Rogues are wild, weird, and individualistic however despite their differences, the Rogues share one thing in common: They do want to survive. They have all spent their lives trying to avoid capture or destruction, and now that their home, the Last Star, is threatened, many of them will put their criminal empires on hold in order to turn their attentions to the real enemies – Rendain and the Varelsi.
** The Jennerit are the bad guys among the five factions. They're pragmatic and ruthless, more than willing to manipulate and control anything and everything to accomplish their goals and achieve what they view as perfect. They even go so far as to bend the natural laws of the universe in order to gain things such as immortal life. What they can't control or fix to fit their concepts of perfection, they destroy. The Jennerit are in essence everything associated with a stereotypical evil empire. Despite this, however, they are not necessarily "the bad guys". Although they fit the bill, not all of them are evil. It's just that they're not nice and have rather "flexible ethics". The Jennerit did ally with the other factions against the Varelsi as the strongest military force before Rendain betrayed everyone and decided to have the Jennerit switch sides. Even then though, the Jennerit are split within Rendain's Imperium between those who follow him and those who rebel against him. In fact, Rendain himself is not exactly evil as he's ultimately driven by a desire to save something of the universe from what he perceives as inevitable even if it means screwing everyone else.
** Also a DeconstructedTrope since the quirks and traits of all of these factions are what forced people like [[OnlySaneMan Trevor Ghalt]] and the [[TitleDrop titular]] [[RagTagBunchOfMisfits Battleborn]] on trying to stem the tide of Valresi rather than entering in [[WeAreStrugglingTogether pointless war against each other]] out of both resources and bitterness.
* In ''{{VideoGame/Catherine}}'', as [[DiscussedTrope mentioned by Trisha]], the choice between Katherine (law) and Catherine (chaos) does ''not'' represent good and evil, as the two both have their merits and flaws. Catherine is [[{{Yandere}} physically abusive]] [[ClingyJealousGirl and pushy]], while Katherine is [[ControlFreak controlling]] [[FinancialAbuse and overbearing]], but they both genuinely love Vincent and want what's best for him. It depends on the player and their own sense of morality to choose what's best: Katherine, Catherine, or [[TakeAThirdOption neither]].
** Or Qatherine[=/=]Rin in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Full Body]]''... [[AvertedTrope who is kind and wholly supportive of Vincent]], [[spoiler:and also arguably represents the game's GoldenEnding; Vincent hooks up with Rin ([[GayOption revealed to be a crossdressing male alien]]) and the two live HappilyEverAfter travelling through space together, Katherine breaks up with Vincent on amicable terms and Catherine shuffles out of the story too.]] Rin is [[BaseBreakingCharacter contentious]] with some of the player base because it is argued introducing a consistently warm romance option with no flaws ruins the original game's interesting moral ambiguity.
* The ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' expansion, ''Going Rogue'', runs on this.
** On one side is Emperor Cole (a.k.a. Tyrant) and his underlings whose philosophy is something like, "Order at any cost." If the player joins the Loyalists, he can then use the power of the Praetorian Empire to either protect its citizens or advance his personal power.
** On the other side is the underground [[LaResistance Resistance]] whose creed is "Freedom at any cost." If the player joins them, he can either work to free the people of Praetoria or can act as agent of chaos.
* ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' has this in spades. None of the factions or leaders have been presented as entirely good or evil, but instead as various nations with their own traits, strengths, and weaknesses. Also true for the three Affinity choices: [[HalfHumanHybrid Harmony]], [[HumansAreSpecial Purity]] and [[{{Cyborg}} Supremacy]] all have their good and bad points, and are incredibly divisive to the point where even the ''developers themselves'' argue over them. Two of the hybrid choices in Rising Tide, [[ThreeLawsCompliant Supremacy-Purity]] and [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke Purity-Harmony]] also have their pros and cons, and there's even something to be said for [[TranshumanAliens Supremacy-Harmony]], though the other factions ''all'' [[EveryoneHasStandards think they're a bit nuts]].
** Or Qatherine[=/=]Rin in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Full Body]]''... [[AvertedTrope who is kind and wholly supportive of Vincent]], [[spoiler:and also arguably represents the game's GoldenEnding; Vincent hooks up with Rin ([[GayOption revealed to be a crossdressing male alien]]) and the two live HappilyEverAfter travelling through space together, Katherine breaks up with Vincent on amicable terms and Catherine shuffles out of the story too.]] Rin is [[BaseBreakingCharacter contentious]] with some of the player base because it is argued introducing a consistently warm romance option with no flaws ruins the original game's interesting moral ambiguity.
* The ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' expansion, ''Going Rogue'', runs on this.
** On one side is Emperor Cole (a.k.a. Tyrant) and his underlings whose philosophy is something like, "Order at any cost." If the player joins the Loyalists, he can then use the power of the Praetorian Empire to either protect its citizens or advance his personal power.
** On the other side is the underground [[LaResistance Resistance]] whose creed is "Freedom at any cost." If the player joins them, he can either work to free the people of Praetoria or can act as agent of chaos.
* ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' has this in spades. None of the factions or leaders have been presented as entirely good or evil, but instead as various nations with their own traits, strengths, and weaknesses. Also true for the three Affinity choices: [[HalfHumanHybrid Harmony]], [[HumansAreSpecial Purity]] and [[{{Cyborg}} Supremacy]] all have their good and bad points, and are incredibly divisive to the point where even the ''developers themselves'' argue over them. Two of the hybrid choices in Rising Tide, [[ThreeLawsCompliant Supremacy-Purity]] and [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke Purity-Harmony]] also have their pros and cons, and there's even something to be said for [[TranshumanAliens Supremacy-Harmony]], though the other factions ''all'' [[EveryoneHasStandards think they're a bit nuts]].
* In ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'', the central conflict in the game is extremely lacking in details, but what details we do know ultimately make it an example of this. The conflict between Fire and Dark seems clear-cut at first, but we're shown numerous instances of how LightIsNotGood and DarkIsNotEvil throughout the games. On the other hand, we're also shown numerous instances of LightIsGood and DarkIsEvil at the same time. The message of the games seems to be that both sides have their place in the world, and are capable of good things, but both can also be a destructive, corrupting influence if taken too far.
* In the ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' series, despite the many changes in the story's overall tone over many games, one theme remains constant: no one faction is exclusively good or evil. Wei appears to be antagonistic, but Cao Cao is a pragmatic, AffablyEvil [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] backed by warriors of laudable personal qualities. Shu is the nominally more heroic faction, but Liu Bei has done some things worth calling out, such as usurping his relative Liu Zhang BecauseDestinySaysSo as well as his assault on Yi Ling, and ''Dynasty Warriors 7'' in particular plays with AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of his strategist/chancellor Zhuge Liang. Wu is the "''opportunist''" state which takes advantage of the chaos to do as it pleases, but their royal family[[note]]father Sun Jian, sons Ce and Quan, and daughter Shangxiang[[/note]] is depicted as a tight-knit family backed by Sun Ce's sworn brother Zhou Yu and veterans from Sun Jian's days. Flaws aside, each kingdom has their fair share of heroic warriors. Even Zhang Jiao comes off pretty sympathetic, and in his ending, he keeps his word in steering his new nation through the "Way of Peace". Even Dong Zhuo, the unambiguously evil FatBastard he is, is shown in his Campaign Mode to be desperately trying to salvage his rightful claim as Han emperor from the usurpers taking advantage of his realm's collapse. The ''Empires'' games take it a step further -- you start out dead-center neutral with whoever you play as, and it's entirely up to you how good or evil your reign is. Of course, part of the reason is that, historically, none of the kingdoms succeeded in unifying China (that would be some last-minute Jin opportunist named Sima Yan), so it's impossible to say who the "hero" or "villain" really was.
* Moral ambiguity in ''VideoGame/EmeraldCityConfidential'' is a given, based on its FilmNoir tone. Although Petra is the protagonist, [[GuileHero she isn't always morally upstanding]]. And although Queen Ozma is first seen as an antagonistic and oppressive ruler, she turns out to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's trying to save Oz from an even worse threat.
* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' is full of this. About the only morally unambiguous choice in the end-game is to aid the Underking, and then only because his goal is to finally ''[[UndeathAlwaysEnds die]]'' rather than to actually use Numidium. There are several candidates for worst of the worst, and you ''will'' aid at least one of them out of your own free will, without being fooled, over the course of the main storyline. A note on ''Daggerfall'': it turns out that due to an event called a "Dragon Break", in which time flows in a non-linear fashion, somehow all the choices you're able to make ended up happening at the exact same time. This would be known as the "Warp in the West" and resulted in having every single nation in western Tamriel (there were a lot) turn into two provinces and swear loyalty to the Empire.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]''. Although the main quest appears to be black-and-white (though if you really dig into the backstory, the BigBad has some WellIntentionedExtremist and VillainHasAPoint aspects that can move him closer to a "dark gray", and the wannabe BigGood Azura has a ton of skeletons in her closet), the politics in Vvardenfell are very clearly Gray And Gray. House Hlaalu, for example, is open-minded but corrupted, House Telvanni is honest but elitist, House Redoran is strong but xenophobic, the Empire often ranges from oppressive to a little bit too lax, the Dunmer Temple is kind and charitable but has Knights Templar (the Ordinators) and is to some degree a CorruptChurch, and the three [[PhysicalGod god-kings]] to which it is devoted are, respectively, benevolent but pathologically dishonest, egotistically psychotic, and completely withdrawn from the affairs of mortals. House Dagoth are portrayed as evil but still remain somewhat gray. At most the main quest is closer to BlackAndGrayMorality.
** The fifth installment, [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]], takes place in the middle of a civil war: the Empire, after losing a war against the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]], was forced to outlaw the worship of Talos and are generally viewed as cowards who oppress the citizens of Skyrim instead of resisting the Dominion's rule. They however believe it was a war they couldn't win, and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo was necessary]] to save Skyrim and the rest of the empire and buy time to prepare for future war with the Dominion. The Empire also use a lot of flimsy excuses for their imperialism from "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim!" to [[CulturalPosturing "The Empire is the one guiding light in Tamriel and without it the other races will fall into barbarism and anarchy, including the Nords! No, wait, ESPECIALLY the Nords!"]]; they also engage in some activities that would be considered war crimes to a modern audience. The Stormcloak Rebellion wants an independent kingdom and freedom of religion, but they don't consider the possibility they might have to work with the Empire to defeat the Dominion, and are also ultranationalists who dangerously border outright racism [[FantasticRacism and confine the Argonians, Khajiit, and Dark Elves to slums]]. In the defense of that last point, the Argonians and Dunmer are ancestral enemies (indeed, the former recently conquered the homeland of the latter, and the latter was enslaving the former for generations), so their desire to keep the Argonians and Dunmer apart may be in the interests of preventing a race war in their capital.
* Moral ambiguity in ''VideoGame/EmeraldCityConfidential'' is a given, based on its FilmNoir tone. Although Petra is the protagonist, [[GuileHero she isn't always morally upstanding]]. And although Queen Ozma is first seen as an antagonistic and oppressive ruler, she turns out to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's trying to save Oz from an even worse threat.
* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' is full of this. About the only morally unambiguous choice in the end-game is to aid the Underking, and then only because his goal is to finally ''[[UndeathAlwaysEnds die]]'' rather than to actually use Numidium. There are several candidates for worst of the worst, and you ''will'' aid at least one of them out of your own free will, without being fooled, over the course of the main storyline. A note on ''Daggerfall'': it turns out that due to an event called a "Dragon Break", in which time flows in a non-linear fashion, somehow all the choices you're able to make ended up happening at the exact same time. This would be known as the "Warp in the West" and resulted in having every single nation in western Tamriel (there were a lot) turn into two provinces and swear loyalty to the Empire.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]''. Although the main quest appears to be black-and-white (though if you really dig into the backstory, the BigBad has some WellIntentionedExtremist and VillainHasAPoint aspects that can move him closer to a "dark gray", and the wannabe BigGood Azura has a ton of skeletons in her closet), the politics in Vvardenfell are very clearly Gray And Gray. House Hlaalu, for example, is open-minded but corrupted, House Telvanni is honest but elitist, House Redoran is strong but xenophobic, the Empire often ranges from oppressive to a little bit too lax, the Dunmer Temple is kind and charitable but has Knights Templar (the Ordinators) and is to some degree a CorruptChurch, and the three [[PhysicalGod god-kings]] to which it is devoted are, respectively, benevolent but pathologically dishonest, egotistically psychotic, and completely withdrawn from the affairs of mortals. House Dagoth are portrayed as evil but still remain somewhat gray. At most the main quest is closer to BlackAndGrayMorality.
** The fifth installment, [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]], takes place in the middle of a civil war: the Empire, after losing a war against the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]], was forced to outlaw the worship of Talos and are generally viewed as cowards who oppress the citizens of Skyrim instead of resisting the Dominion's rule. They however believe it was a war they couldn't win, and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo was necessary]] to save Skyrim and the rest of the empire and buy time to prepare for future war with the Dominion. The Empire also use a lot of flimsy excuses for their imperialism from "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim!" to [[CulturalPosturing "The Empire is the one guiding light in Tamriel and without it the other races will fall into barbarism and anarchy, including the Nords! No, wait, ESPECIALLY the Nords!"]]; they also engage in some activities that would be considered war crimes to a modern audience. The Stormcloak Rebellion wants an independent kingdom and freedom of religion, but they don't consider the possibility they might have to work with the Empire to defeat the Dominion, and are also ultranationalists who dangerously border outright racism [[FantasticRacism and confine the Argonians, Khajiit, and Dark Elves to slums]]. In the defense of that last point, the Argonians and Dunmer are ancestral enemies (indeed, the former recently conquered the homeland of the latter, and the latter was enslaving the former for generations), so their desire to keep the Argonians and Dunmer apart may be in the interests of preventing a race war in their capital.
* Both sides of the human-monster war in ''VideoGame/{{Evolve}}''.
** The humans are... well, humans. They've had hundreds of years of wars, charities, and everything in between, while individuals run the gamut from paragons of virtue to vicious sociopaths, but they band together to prevent the slaughter of their race.
** The monsters, while being exactly what they sound like, are still on equal moral footing with the humans. They massacre humans and raze worlds because [[spoiler: that's what the humans have been doing to ''them'', albeit unintentionally, for hundreds of years]]. Trying to judge them at an individual level falls flat because of the vast differences between [[StarfishAliens their own nature]] and humans, let alone [[spoiler: the differences between them and [[EnergyBeings anything that naturally has a physical form]]]].
** The humans are... well, humans. They've had hundreds of years of wars, charities, and everything in between, while individuals run the gamut from paragons of virtue to vicious sociopaths, but they band together to prevent the slaughter of their race.
** The monsters, while being exactly what they sound like, are still on equal moral footing with the humans. They massacre humans and raze worlds because [[spoiler: that's what the humans have been doing to ''them'', albeit unintentionally, for hundreds of years]]. Trying to judge them at an individual level falls flat because of the vast differences between [[StarfishAliens their own nature]] and humans, let alone [[spoiler: the differences between them and [[EnergyBeings anything that naturally has a physical form]]]].
* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', the Tenpenny Tower quest has this. On one hand, you have the residents of Tenpenny Tower, who are (mostly) a bunch of arrogant bigots... but, they have a ''point'' that ghouls are generally dangerous and unpredictable, and this band in particular are hardened raiders from the Wasteland; how do they know it'd be safe to let them in? On the other hand, you have Roy Phillips and his ghouls, ruthless raiders who do have a point that they are being held at bay from living in a safe, comfortable environment purely because they're not exactly human anymore. Both sides are perfectly willing to bribe the player into slaughtering the other for them. [[spoiler: And if the player negotiates a truce, the ghouls promptly take advantage of having been allowed inside to murder all the humans for themselves, even those who support their entry.]]
** In the DLC "The Pitt", the two factions the Lone Wanderer encounters fit this trope. Wernher, leader of the slave rebellion, wants to steal the cure to the mutations that ravage The Pitt to use it as a bargaining chip for the slaves' freedom. Even when he finds out what that 'cure' is, he's still determined to exploit it, no matter what. Ashur, ruler of the Pitt, considers his Raider army and slave workforce necessary evils that gave The Pitt safety and industrial power; he hopes to use the drug to cure his constituents [[spoiler:(a cure taken from his own daughter, who was born immune to the radiation)]], allowing them to bear healthy children which would grow to eventually replace slave labor with a homegrown workforce. The player can side with either faction.
* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' has this, hard: The New California Republic is well-intentioned and filled with good people, but are ruthless expansionists, suffocated by bureaucracy and corruption, and would be spread way too thin to bring true safety to the Mojave Wasteland. Mr. House is genuine in his desire to rebuild lawful civilization and has the intelligence and resources to do so, but only cares about New Vegas and enforces his laws with an iron fist, ruthlessly executing anyone who opposes his rule. The Wild Card route allows the PlayerCharacter to take over New Vegas themselves, but this requires the murder of Mr. House and there is nothing to indicate that they can succeed where the other factions would fail. The only completely evil faction is The Legion.
** There's also the main struggle in the DLC "Honest Hearts" between New Canaanites[[note]]Mormons[[/note]] Daniel and Joshua Graham. Both are guardians of a relatively "innocent" tribe that is under attack by an old enemy of the New Canaanites. Daniel wants to withdraw the tribe to where their enemies cannot follow, out of guilt over the situation the New Canaanites have brought upon them. Graham wants to teach them to fight and destroy their enemies, both as a just thing to do and to assuage his own personal demons, of which there are many.
* And, of course, the tradition continues into ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''. The Brotherhood of Steel has reverted back to their former conservatism, becoming arrogant, xenophobic, [[EnforcedTechnologyLevels tech-grabbing]] conquerors who are pushing their way into the Boston region and who are characterized by extreme FantasticRacism. However, they also dedicate themselves to wiping out real threats such as feral ghouls and mutants (as well as [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots synths]]) and actually have the military power to ensure security. The Minutemen are unambiguously good guys, but are notably inefficient, to the point of being virtually extinct at the game's start. Also, with the player character at the helm early on, ultimately the player's motivations dictate the course of the faction. The Institute are xenophobic manipulators who want to destroy all remnants of the "old world" and reshape the Commonwealth into what they want it to be -- but who prize innovation and scientific discovery, and want to create a world superior to the old one. Lastly, the Railroad seem to be good guys who oppose the slavery and oppression of Synths, who they believe are sentient beings, but they care very little for the Commonwealth as a whole and the methods they'll use and the lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goals are a little extreme... There's also the fact that [[spoiler:the only ending in the game which doesn't involve you betraying and killing your BigBad son is through siding with the Institute, and doing so will mean you'll have to wipe out the sympathetic, helpful Railroad who helped you find him.]]
** There's also the conflict between Honest Dan and Covenant. [[spoiler:Dan is a mercenary simply trying to rescue Amelia per his contract, but the Covenant citizens are survivors of synth assassins, who infiltrated their families and friends and killed them. As a result, they're attempting to develop a psychological exam to help spot synths, but are unfortunately torturing a lot of innocent people in the process too. Helping Dan requires the deaths of everyone in Covenant, however.]]
** The game also takes measures to humanise the previously AlwaysChaoticEvil Raiders through EnemyChatter and WhatMeasureIsAMook. Some are [[CardCarryingVillain psychos who enjoy their line of work]], and some are obviously strung out and tormented by what they have to do to survive. Shooting Raiders dead will sometimes cause their allies to cry out in anguish and horror.
** The Expansion Pack "Far Harbor" continues with the tradition: The synth refuge of Acadia is genuinely peaceful [[spoiler: but its leader [=DiMA=] has committed some terrible crimes to protect it and will need to commit more for a peaceful resolution to the conflict]]. The town of Far Harbor is wary of outsiders but that's mostly a product of their circumstances with them nearly being driven off the island by the fog. The local Church of the Children of the Atom is "very" antagonistic towards nonbelievers [[spoiler: and is planning to wipe the other two factions out]], but this is due to the influence of their (sincere) current leader. The majority of the cult is genuinely devout [[spoiler: and has nothing to do with the fogs' behavior.]]
* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':
** This is Squall's worldview in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII''. "There is no good or evil; just two sides with different views." Although, the world this time around turned out to be more BlackAndGrayMorality.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII''. To elaborate, on the villain's side we have the machiavellian, {{Affably|Evil}} EvilPrince who wants to become the emperor and restore order to the empire, the WellIntentionedExtremist MadScientist who's working with his demigod SpiritAdvisor to overthrow the JerkassGods, the Judges who bar one are well-intentioned tools devoted to protecting to law, and the Emperor himself who is trying to keep the Senate from turning his youngest son into a puppet heir while preventing the empire from collapsing into civil war. On the good guys' side, we have a vengeful, stubborn princess who will stop at nothing (including ''genocide'') to regain her kingdom and pay back the empire for her dead husband, and who nearly becomes the willing puppet of the aforementioned JerkassGods to achieve this, a pair of sky pirates who are just in it for the treasure (and one of them ''knows'' exactly what the princess is trying to do and where it would lead), an old soldier who's willing to do ''anything'' to protect the princess, and finally two slightly naive teenagers, one of whom is a petty thief. In between this lot we have a Marquis-cum-Resistance leader who plays permanent double agent and whose loyalties depend on who is winning, a Rebel general who's willing to sell out his own princess if it means his country will be restored even if it's in name only, an ex-Judge who destroyed an entire city and now resorts to piracy to make up for his sins, and an imperial prince who is caught between caution and preemptive assault in the protection of his nation. The only good character is really the youngest prince, and he suffers from a bad case of naivety and idealism.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. In the beginning, two princes are fighting each other for the throne. Since it is basically the [[UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses War of the Roses]] in the form of Final Fantasy, neither side is really good. Later in the game, it becomes more like BlackAndGrayMorality once the Church and [[spoiler:Delita]] start playing more significant roles in the war. [[spoiler:Delita, while he ultimately does stop the kingdom from falling into complete chaos, uses any and every Machiavellian method available to him in order to accomplish his goals. The Church is basically controlled by Satan]]. The only white to be found is Ramza and his fate is [[spoiler:[[CrapsackWorld to become a footnote in history]]]].
*** {{Deconstructed}}: While Ramza's actions [[spoiler:are covered up by the Church for centuries, he is eventually vindicated — and his morally white actions ''do'' save Ivalice]]. Meanwhile, [[spoiler:the Church's]] power is shaken, and [[spoiler:Delita, the poster child for the game's Grey and Gray Morality, ends the game miserable, wounded, and utterly alone.]]
''VideoGame/GenshinImpact''. The entire relationship between Celestial and the Abyss Order can be summed up as this.On one hand, Celestial's actions of punishing the entire of Khaenri'ah for the actions of a specific group is going too far. Man, woman and child, none of them was spared from a terrible curse. However, at the same time, Khaenri'ah was responsible for the Cataclysm. An apocalyptic event that almost brought about the EndOfTheWorld. Every nation suffered terribly for it, with their people either being killed, or even forced to suffer a FateWorseThanDeath. Even after 500 years in present day, the [[PlayerCharacter Traveler]] is still helping the world through the damages it brought about. The extend of the damage it brought about was so extensive, there is no way to justify the damage Khaenri'ah did.
* In ''Videogame/{{Freelancer}}'' most factions except the Xenos (who are obviously xenophobic omnicidal maniacs) and the Liberty Police (defending the land of freedom and whatnot) are somewhat guilty of this, ranging from farmers turned into terrorists, tree-huggers turned into terrorists and hackers turned into terrorists, to tyrannical and corrupt regimes and corporations that would sell their mothers for money (and eventually causing said mothers to turn into terrorists). Special mention goes to the Corsairs and the Outcasts faction, whose mothership lost contact with the others during travel, forcing them to become outlaws in order to survive, and the other factions subsequently shoot upon them. Apparently diplomacy is an unknown concept to this universe.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Foxhole}}'', despite resembling the Allies and Axis of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Wardens and the Colonials are both morally grey and neither is the "hero" or "villain" of the story. If anything, the Wardens are the current aggressors in a war to retake territory from a previous conflict.
** In the DLC "The Pitt", the two factions the Lone Wanderer encounters fit this trope. Wernher, leader of the slave rebellion, wants to steal the cure to the mutations that ravage The Pitt to use it as a bargaining chip for the slaves' freedom. Even when he finds out what that 'cure' is, he's still determined to exploit it, no matter what. Ashur, ruler of the Pitt, considers his Raider army and slave workforce necessary evils that gave The Pitt safety and industrial power; he hopes to use the drug to cure his constituents [[spoiler:(a cure taken from his own daughter, who was born immune to the radiation)]], allowing them to bear healthy children which would grow to eventually replace slave labor with a homegrown workforce. The player can side with either faction.
* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' has this, hard: The New California Republic is well-intentioned and filled with good people, but are ruthless expansionists, suffocated by bureaucracy and corruption, and would be spread way too thin to bring true safety to the Mojave Wasteland. Mr. House is genuine in his desire to rebuild lawful civilization and has the intelligence and resources to do so, but only cares about New Vegas and enforces his laws with an iron fist, ruthlessly executing anyone who opposes his rule. The Wild Card route allows the PlayerCharacter to take over New Vegas themselves, but this requires the murder of Mr. House and there is nothing to indicate that they can succeed where the other factions would fail. The only completely evil faction is The Legion.
** There's also the main struggle in the DLC "Honest Hearts" between New Canaanites[[note]]Mormons[[/note]] Daniel and Joshua Graham. Both are guardians of a relatively "innocent" tribe that is under attack by an old enemy of the New Canaanites. Daniel wants to withdraw the tribe to where their enemies cannot follow, out of guilt over the situation the New Canaanites have brought upon them. Graham wants to teach them to fight and destroy their enemies, both as a just thing to do and to assuage his own personal demons, of which there are many.
* And, of course, the tradition continues into ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''. The Brotherhood of Steel has reverted back to their former conservatism, becoming arrogant, xenophobic, [[EnforcedTechnologyLevels tech-grabbing]] conquerors who are pushing their way into the Boston region and who are characterized by extreme FantasticRacism. However, they also dedicate themselves to wiping out real threats such as feral ghouls and mutants (as well as [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots synths]]) and actually have the military power to ensure security. The Minutemen are unambiguously good guys, but are notably inefficient, to the point of being virtually extinct at the game's start. Also, with the player character at the helm early on, ultimately the player's motivations dictate the course of the faction. The Institute are xenophobic manipulators who want to destroy all remnants of the "old world" and reshape the Commonwealth into what they want it to be -- but who prize innovation and scientific discovery, and want to create a world superior to the old one. Lastly, the Railroad seem to be good guys who oppose the slavery and oppression of Synths, who they believe are sentient beings, but they care very little for the Commonwealth as a whole and the methods they'll use and the lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goals are a little extreme... There's also the fact that [[spoiler:the only ending in the game which doesn't involve you betraying and killing your BigBad son is through siding with the Institute, and doing so will mean you'll have to wipe out the sympathetic, helpful Railroad who helped you find him.]]
** There's also the conflict between Honest Dan and Covenant. [[spoiler:Dan is a mercenary simply trying to rescue Amelia per his contract, but the Covenant citizens are survivors of synth assassins, who infiltrated their families and friends and killed them. As a result, they're attempting to develop a psychological exam to help spot synths, but are unfortunately torturing a lot of innocent people in the process too. Helping Dan requires the deaths of everyone in Covenant, however.]]
** The game also takes measures to humanise the previously AlwaysChaoticEvil Raiders through EnemyChatter and WhatMeasureIsAMook. Some are [[CardCarryingVillain psychos who enjoy their line of work]], and some are obviously strung out and tormented by what they have to do to survive. Shooting Raiders dead will sometimes cause their allies to cry out in anguish and horror.
** The Expansion Pack "Far Harbor" continues with the tradition: The synth refuge of Acadia is genuinely peaceful [[spoiler: but its leader [=DiMA=] has committed some terrible crimes to protect it and will need to commit more for a peaceful resolution to the conflict]]. The town of Far Harbor is wary of outsiders but that's mostly a product of their circumstances with them nearly being driven off the island by the fog. The local Church of the Children of the Atom is "very" antagonistic towards nonbelievers [[spoiler: and is planning to wipe the other two factions out]], but this is due to the influence of their (sincere) current leader. The majority of the cult is genuinely devout [[spoiler: and has nothing to do with the fogs' behavior.]]
* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':
** This is Squall's worldview in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII''. "There is no good or evil; just two sides with different views." Although, the world this time around turned out to be more BlackAndGrayMorality.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII''. To elaborate, on the villain's side we have the machiavellian, {{Affably|Evil}} EvilPrince who wants to become the emperor and restore order to the empire, the WellIntentionedExtremist MadScientist who's working with his demigod SpiritAdvisor to overthrow the JerkassGods, the Judges who bar one are well-intentioned tools devoted to protecting to law, and the Emperor himself who is trying to keep the Senate from turning his youngest son into a puppet heir while preventing the empire from collapsing into civil war. On the good guys' side, we have a vengeful, stubborn princess who will stop at nothing (including ''genocide'') to regain her kingdom and pay back the empire for her dead husband, and who nearly becomes the willing puppet of the aforementioned JerkassGods to achieve this, a pair of sky pirates who are just in it for the treasure (and one of them ''knows'' exactly what the princess is trying to do and where it would lead), an old soldier who's willing to do ''anything'' to protect the princess, and finally two slightly naive teenagers, one of whom is a petty thief. In between this lot we have a Marquis-cum-Resistance leader who plays permanent double agent and whose loyalties depend on who is winning, a Rebel general who's willing to sell out his own princess if it means his country will be restored even if it's in name only, an ex-Judge who destroyed an entire city and now resorts to piracy to make up for his sins, and an imperial prince who is caught between caution and preemptive assault in the protection of his nation. The only good character is really the youngest prince, and he suffers from a bad case of naivety and idealism.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. In the beginning, two princes are fighting each other for the throne. Since it is basically the [[UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses War of the Roses]] in the form of Final Fantasy, neither side is really good. Later in the game, it becomes more like BlackAndGrayMorality once the Church and [[spoiler:Delita]] start playing more significant roles in the war. [[spoiler:Delita, while he ultimately does stop the kingdom from falling into complete chaos, uses any and every Machiavellian method available to him in order to accomplish his goals. The Church is basically controlled by Satan]]. The only white to be found is Ramza and his fate is [[spoiler:[[CrapsackWorld to become a footnote in history]]]].
*** {{Deconstructed}}: While Ramza's actions [[spoiler:are covered up by the Church for centuries, he is eventually vindicated — and his morally white actions ''do'' save Ivalice]]. Meanwhile, [[spoiler:the Church's]] power is shaken, and [[spoiler:Delita, the poster child for the game's Grey and Gray Morality, ends the game miserable, wounded, and utterly alone.]]
''VideoGame/GenshinImpact''. The entire relationship between Celestial and the Abyss Order can be summed up as this.On one hand, Celestial's actions of punishing the entire of Khaenri'ah for the actions of a specific group is going too far. Man, woman and child, none of them was spared from a terrible curse. However, at the same time, Khaenri'ah was responsible for the Cataclysm. An apocalyptic event that almost brought about the EndOfTheWorld. Every nation suffered terribly for it, with their people either being killed, or even forced to suffer a FateWorseThanDeath. Even after 500 years in present day, the [[PlayerCharacter Traveler]] is still helping the world through the damages it brought about. The extend of the damage it brought about was so extensive, there is no way to justify the damage Khaenri'ah did.
* In ''Videogame/{{Freelancer}}'' most factions except the Xenos (who are obviously xenophobic omnicidal maniacs) and the Liberty Police (defending the land of freedom and whatnot) are somewhat guilty of this, ranging from farmers turned into terrorists, tree-huggers turned into terrorists and hackers turned into terrorists, to tyrannical and corrupt regimes and corporations that would sell their mothers for money (and eventually causing said mothers to turn into terrorists). Special mention goes to the Corsairs and the Outcasts faction, whose mothership lost contact with the others during travel, forcing them to become outlaws in order to survive, and the other factions subsequently shoot upon them. Apparently diplomacy is an unknown concept to this universe.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Foxhole}}'', despite resembling the Allies and Axis of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Wardens and the Colonials are both morally grey and neither is the "hero" or "villain" of the story. If anything, the Wardens are the current aggressors in a war to retake territory from a previous conflict.
* Used heavily in the ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' games, though it doesn't quite become apparent until ''The Lost Age'', where all the antagonists of ''The Broken Seal'' are revealed to have been working for good ends and trying to defy a system that if left in place will result in the decline and ultimate end of the world of Weyard, but whose supporters (rightly) fear the abuse of Alchemy unleashed.
** In ''Dark Dawn'', the effects of releasing Alchemy are starting to take hold, the world is being reshaped, some heroes of the earlier games are [[DudeWheresMyRespect reviled for their efforts]], and the heroes of ''this'' game have to stop and debate whether or not to rescue a known criminal from a CruelAndUnusualDeath. In the last instance, Karis [[LampshadeHanging has to explain this trope]] to Amiti (who [[TheIngenue really is just that naïve]]).
*** Really, there is only one truly evil character in the whole series. Too bad that he's TheChessmaster... And even then, Alex isn't exactly evil, just self-serving. He manipulates to his own ends, but he never shows any actual malice towards the characters. The only time he ever struck against a character was when they attacked him, and it was only to stop their attack.
* The conflict between the Humans and the Beta in ''VideoGame/GreyGoo2015'' comes down to scared survivors making bad decisions with bad intel. [[spoiler:As it turns out, the Grey Goo is just trying to become strong enough to protect humanity from the Silence. It fights the other factions because the Beta aren't human (and thus aren't protected by its core directives) and the humans use unmanned drones (that the goo doesn't realize come from the humans)]].
** In ''Dark Dawn'', the effects of releasing Alchemy are starting to take hold, the world is being reshaped, some heroes of the earlier games are [[DudeWheresMyRespect reviled for their efforts]], and the heroes of ''this'' game have to stop and debate whether or not to rescue a known criminal from a CruelAndUnusualDeath. In the last instance, Karis [[LampshadeHanging has to explain this trope]] to Amiti (who [[TheIngenue really is just that naïve]]).
*** Really, there is only one truly evil character in the whole series. Too bad that he's TheChessmaster... And even then, Alex isn't exactly evil, just self-serving. He manipulates to his own ends, but he never shows any actual malice towards the characters. The only time he ever struck against a character was when they attacked him, and it was only to stop their attack.
* The conflict between the Humans and the Beta in ''VideoGame/GreyGoo2015'' comes down to scared survivors making bad decisions with bad intel. [[spoiler:As it turns out, the Grey Goo is just trying to become strong enough to protect humanity from the Silence. It fights the other factions because the Beta aren't human (and thus aren't protected by its core directives) and the humans use unmanned drones (that the goo doesn't realize come from the humans)]].
* ''VisualNovel/IkemenSengoku'': Nobunaga Oda and his warlord allies are willing to kill countless people but do it to fulfill their larger ambition to unite Japan and bring lasting peace to the country, and they also believe in modernizing Japan and eliminating class-based discrimination. Shingen Takeda, Kenshin Uesugi, and their followers all want to kill Nobunaga, but their reasons for wanting to do so are quite understandable (most of them lost many loved ones because of Nobunaga) and they [[EnemyMine join forces]] with Nobunaga's allies on multiple game routes after a third party resorts to dishonorable tactics in combat that neither of them approves of. Kennyo is the one character who comes the closest to being "black", often serving as the role of the aforementioned third party that unites the Oda and Takeda-Uesugi forces against him, but even he gets SympathyForTheDevil moments as a once-kind monk who hates Nobunaga for killing his monk friends.
* ''VideoGame/InfiniteSpace'' has several instances of this, although nothing in the game tops the long-running conflict between Kalymnos and Nova Nacio. This is especially apparent during the Irvest Sector War, with the so-called People Committee of Kalymnos [[spoiler:attempts to obliterate ''the residents of an entire planet'' owned by Nova Nacio by crashing its satellite to win the war]], while Nova Nacio [[spoiler:has been secretly developing a very powerful weapon on the same planet under the cover of colonization project]].
* ''Videogame/{{Ingress}}'': The Enlightened want to infuse humanity with the Exotic Matter coming out of mysterious portals, as they have good reason to believe it's what gave humans creativity and ideas themselves, and direct exposure would uplift them to their full potential while cutting them off completely would lead to the end of creativity itself. The Resistance believes this is a lie, that it's truly the beachhead for an alien invasion, and that the Exotic Matter allows them to take over minds, or even breach this dimension to invade it, so it must be shut off and destroyed. Both sides believe they're doing what is the right thing to do, both resort to underhanded tactics when they must, and both have good arguments and proof that their view is correct. But never enough to truly decide who is actually ''right'' in this conflict.
* ''[[VideoGame/{{Langrisser}} Der Langrisser]]'' definitely falls into this trope. No matter what side you choose, you'll end up fighting for peace while doing awful things along the way. There's no possible path that spares you the dramatic scene and the guilt of killing someone decent. You kill [[spoiler:Vargas, who's just had a little daughter, and get to watch Leon tell his wife the sad news]] in the Light path, and you slaughter [[spoiler:Scott and his father, in a rather cruel fashion]] in all others.
* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' features a lot throughout the course of the game. The trailer basically sums up the trope in this game: "You either hang onto your morals and die or do whatever it takes to survive."
** The end has a large conflict featuring Ellie. [[spoiler:Marlene planned to use Ellie to create a vaccine to inoculate people, but the surgical procedure would result in her death.[[note]]The surgeon is actually wrong. He doesn't need the whole brain. He doesn't even need to do surgery! All he needs is to do a ''spinal tap.''[[/note]] Joel, because he saw her as another daughter, saves her before the Fireflies perform the surgery, thus wasting the chance to save the human race. If you were in Joel's shoes, would you do the same or would you let Ellie be used for a cure to save humanity?]]
*** [[spoiler:This is thrown into more confusion when it is implied that there have been several other people immune to the virus and that engineering a cure from them has failed. This information is only heard from a lone Firefly talking to himself, so it is unclear how valid this is.]]
* Ditto for the ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' series. By the time Defiance rolls around, you're never really sure who's supposed to be the good guy and who the bad guy.
** Do the Hylden have a single redeeming feature? Or are we just talking about freakish abominations not imprisoned in another universe?
*** It's easy to believe that the Hylden were the victims until you realize that they were building a genocide machine before they got banished.
** [[spoiler:The Elder God]] is a real piece of work too. [[spoiler:He's responsible for ''everything'' Nosgoth has suffered.]]
* All of the major organizations in ''VideoGame/{{Lusternia}}''. Despite their underlying themes, they are only as good or evil as the individual characters that dwell there. The city with all the trappings of a good [[TheFederation federation]] has [[WitchHunt zealot]] KnightTemplar[=s=] galore: the city with all the trappings of an evil [[TheEmpire empire]] has [[TheCorruption mutated, undead]] family men and pacifists among their [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi-inspired]] troopers.
* ''VideoGame/MarkOfTheNinja''. Your opponent, Hessian Services, starts out attacking the Hisomu clan, leading them to send you to take out their leader, Count Karajan, in retaliation. Karajan's EstablishingCharacterMoment shows that he's not a particularly good person, showing little concern for the survival of his guards. [[spoiler: And then you find out the whole thing was a FalseFlagOperation; Hessian only attacked the Hisomu because they stole from them, and then the leader of the Hisomu used that as an excuse to send the protagonist - empowered with special [[PowerTattoo tattoos]] that would give him superhuman abilities but eventually drive him insane and force him to [[DrivenToSuicide commit seppuku]] before he lost his mind completely - to assassinate Karajan so the clan could finish swiping their technology to use for themselves. And ''then'' you find out that, as dickish a move as that was, the leader of the clan believed it was the only way for the clan to survive in the modern era, as the plant they used to create the ink for the tattoos has since gone extinct, robbing them of their secret weapon. It doesn't help that by the time these revelations come about, the protagonist is well on his way to going insane, impairing his judgement on how to deal with it.]]
* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots''. The [[AmazonBrigade Beauty & Beast Corps]] are war-scarred women outfitted with advanced nanotechnology and [[BigBad Liquid Ocelot]] is [[spoiler:GoodAllAlong (relatively), is actually ''the'' Ocelot from [=MGS3=] pretending to have assimilated Liquid Snake's personality, and is stopping the Patriots' plans.]] On the good guys' side, Roy Campbell's marriage to Raiden's wife Rosemary [[spoiler:was a facade meant to protect her and their supposedly-miscarried son Little John from the Patriots while Raiden is out fighting]], and Rat Patrol 01 [[spoiler:is the Patriots' {{Unwitting Pawn}}s -- their acronym ("RAT PT 01") can even be rearranged to spell "[=PATR10T=]" -- who are meant to eliminate Ocelot before he foils their plans -- [[SpannerInTheWorks they simply never expected Old Snake to destroy more than just Ocelot]].]] It also turns out that the black-morality Solid Snake-era Patriots are [[spoiler:nothing more but [[AIIsACrapshoot a faulty AI system]] developed by Zero long after he lost faith in humanity following Big Boss's departure, which deviated from the vision of Big Boss, Zero, SIGINT, Para-Medic, EVA and Ocelot -- the original Patriots -- and built an economy [[WarForFunAndProfit based on warfare]], with Zero blissfully unaware (not to mention conveniently catatonic) of what he had wrought]].
* ''VideoGame/MightAndMagic VIII'' is full of this: It features a BigBad whose only reason for being that is that he ''can't'' stop once he has started (no matter how much he wants to)[[note]]He was programmed that way as a security measure, to keep the Kreegans from subverting him[[/note]], a conflict between dragon hunters out for profit and xenophobic dragons that see nothing wrong with eating other sentients, and a war between the Necromancers' Guild of Jadame (who, in the modern day of the game, are a fairly laid-back bunch, mostly wanting to keep to themselves) and the Church of the Sun (who came to Jadame to wage war on Necromancers without provocation and are somewhat corrupt and self-serving).
* No character in ''VideoGame/MountAndBlade'' is entirely good, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance at least not by modern standards]]. Lords are generally overbearing and arrogant, scholars are constantly insulting anyone who isn't another scholar or arguing with other scholars, peasants possess very loose morals, professional soldiers and mercenaries [[BloodKnight tend to be the type to enjoy violence]], and even ''you'' will probably be some sort of pragmatic AntiHero, [[BeingGoodSucks if not by choice then by necessity]].
** Many of the multiplayer characters are, according to their backstories, either greedy sellswords or criminals.
** Throne claimants each have their own backstory about why they should be king/queen. The current monarchs will actually have ''their own'' sides to the story and their own reasons, so you're left to decide whose story is worth more. For example, Arwa the Pearled One of the Sarranid Sultanate claims that Sultan Hakim is an EvilUncle who illegally usurped the throne from her, but Sultan Hakim counters that she is a BitchInSheepsClothing and that he has a more legitimate claim due to his royal heritage (while Arwa is an adopted peasant girl). The only claimant/monarch conflict where one side is ''definitely'' more sympathetic than the other is Swadia, which pits the competent and reasonable [[ActionGirl Lady Isolla]] against the incompetent and tyrannical [[FatBastard King Harlaus]]; really, when you ask for Harlaus' reason for exiling Isolla and denying her claim, his argument basically amounts to "[[StayInTheKitchen she is a woman and therefore won't rule well]]".
* ''{{VideoGame/Moonrise}}'': There is no singular villain in this sapphic werewolf interactive novel. The player must choose between two factions: the Masquerade and the Rogues. The Masquerade protects its members by maintaining {{Masquerade}} and keeping humans in the dark. However, they'll go to extreme, murderous lengths to achieve their goal. The Rogues, meanwhile, fight for TheUnmasquedWorld, consequences be damned.
* ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope'': Central Siberia is GreyAndGrayMorality to Western Russia and Southern Urals's BlackAndGrayMorality and Eastern Siberia's MoralityKitchenSink. None of the major unifiers are particularly vile or tyrannical and have good intentions for Russia and their subjects as a whole, and while bad people can potentially come to power in these states, they don't match other unifiers in sheer brutality. Which one is best comes down to personal sympathies for ideology: you have [[ScienceVille Tomsk's]] idealistic DisasterDemocracy and intelligentsia presidents, [[TheGoodKingdom Kemerovo's]] [[DaysOfFuturePast unique fusion]] of Slavic traditionalism and Soviet progressivism, the [[DarkIsNotEvil Siberian Black Army]] and their uncompromising desire for personal freedom, and the [[FightingForAHomeland People's Revolutionary Council]], a Soviet-Mongolian successor state to the Union. Even [[TheFederation Novosibirsk's]] [[SellOut cynical and apolitical]] [[MegaCorp corporate megastate]] at least offers Russia some stable governance. You also have [[WorkingClassHero Kostin's]] [[ChummyCommies Siberian Worker's Federation]] de-unifier, more sympathetic than the other de-unifer failstates.
* ''VideoGame/{{NieR}}'' has this. The protagonist, Nier, and the antagonist, the Shadowlord, are [[spoiler:two incarnations of the same man]] who both have sympathetic yet mutually exclusive goals -- Nier wants to save his daughter from the Shadowlord, who wants to [[spoiler:sacrifice Nier's daughter so he can save his own]]. Both are also willing to commit morally questionable acts to achieve their objectives.
* ''VideoGame/InfiniteSpace'' has several instances of this, although nothing in the game tops the long-running conflict between Kalymnos and Nova Nacio. This is especially apparent during the Irvest Sector War, with the so-called People Committee of Kalymnos [[spoiler:attempts to obliterate ''the residents of an entire planet'' owned by Nova Nacio by crashing its satellite to win the war]], while Nova Nacio [[spoiler:has been secretly developing a very powerful weapon on the same planet under the cover of colonization project]].
* ''Videogame/{{Ingress}}'': The Enlightened want to infuse humanity with the Exotic Matter coming out of mysterious portals, as they have good reason to believe it's what gave humans creativity and ideas themselves, and direct exposure would uplift them to their full potential while cutting them off completely would lead to the end of creativity itself. The Resistance believes this is a lie, that it's truly the beachhead for an alien invasion, and that the Exotic Matter allows them to take over minds, or even breach this dimension to invade it, so it must be shut off and destroyed. Both sides believe they're doing what is the right thing to do, both resort to underhanded tactics when they must, and both have good arguments and proof that their view is correct. But never enough to truly decide who is actually ''right'' in this conflict.
* ''[[VideoGame/{{Langrisser}} Der Langrisser]]'' definitely falls into this trope. No matter what side you choose, you'll end up fighting for peace while doing awful things along the way. There's no possible path that spares you the dramatic scene and the guilt of killing someone decent. You kill [[spoiler:Vargas, who's just had a little daughter, and get to watch Leon tell his wife the sad news]] in the Light path, and you slaughter [[spoiler:Scott and his father, in a rather cruel fashion]] in all others.
* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' features a lot throughout the course of the game. The trailer basically sums up the trope in this game: "You either hang onto your morals and die or do whatever it takes to survive."
** The end has a large conflict featuring Ellie. [[spoiler:Marlene planned to use Ellie to create a vaccine to inoculate people, but the surgical procedure would result in her death.[[note]]The surgeon is actually wrong. He doesn't need the whole brain. He doesn't even need to do surgery! All he needs is to do a ''spinal tap.''[[/note]] Joel, because he saw her as another daughter, saves her before the Fireflies perform the surgery, thus wasting the chance to save the human race. If you were in Joel's shoes, would you do the same or would you let Ellie be used for a cure to save humanity?]]
*** [[spoiler:This is thrown into more confusion when it is implied that there have been several other people immune to the virus and that engineering a cure from them has failed. This information is only heard from a lone Firefly talking to himself, so it is unclear how valid this is.]]
* Ditto for the ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' series. By the time Defiance rolls around, you're never really sure who's supposed to be the good guy and who the bad guy.
** Do the Hylden have a single redeeming feature? Or are we just talking about freakish abominations not imprisoned in another universe?
*** It's easy to believe that the Hylden were the victims until you realize that they were building a genocide machine before they got banished.
** [[spoiler:The Elder God]] is a real piece of work too. [[spoiler:He's responsible for ''everything'' Nosgoth has suffered.]]
* All of the major organizations in ''VideoGame/{{Lusternia}}''. Despite their underlying themes, they are only as good or evil as the individual characters that dwell there. The city with all the trappings of a good [[TheFederation federation]] has [[WitchHunt zealot]] KnightTemplar[=s=] galore: the city with all the trappings of an evil [[TheEmpire empire]] has [[TheCorruption mutated, undead]] family men and pacifists among their [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi-inspired]] troopers.
* ''VideoGame/MarkOfTheNinja''. Your opponent, Hessian Services, starts out attacking the Hisomu clan, leading them to send you to take out their leader, Count Karajan, in retaliation. Karajan's EstablishingCharacterMoment shows that he's not a particularly good person, showing little concern for the survival of his guards. [[spoiler: And then you find out the whole thing was a FalseFlagOperation; Hessian only attacked the Hisomu because they stole from them, and then the leader of the Hisomu used that as an excuse to send the protagonist - empowered with special [[PowerTattoo tattoos]] that would give him superhuman abilities but eventually drive him insane and force him to [[DrivenToSuicide commit seppuku]] before he lost his mind completely - to assassinate Karajan so the clan could finish swiping their technology to use for themselves. And ''then'' you find out that, as dickish a move as that was, the leader of the clan believed it was the only way for the clan to survive in the modern era, as the plant they used to create the ink for the tattoos has since gone extinct, robbing them of their secret weapon. It doesn't help that by the time these revelations come about, the protagonist is well on his way to going insane, impairing his judgement on how to deal with it.]]
* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots''. The [[AmazonBrigade Beauty & Beast Corps]] are war-scarred women outfitted with advanced nanotechnology and [[BigBad Liquid Ocelot]] is [[spoiler:GoodAllAlong (relatively), is actually ''the'' Ocelot from [=MGS3=] pretending to have assimilated Liquid Snake's personality, and is stopping the Patriots' plans.]] On the good guys' side, Roy Campbell's marriage to Raiden's wife Rosemary [[spoiler:was a facade meant to protect her and their supposedly-miscarried son Little John from the Patriots while Raiden is out fighting]], and Rat Patrol 01 [[spoiler:is the Patriots' {{Unwitting Pawn}}s -- their acronym ("RAT PT 01") can even be rearranged to spell "[=PATR10T=]" -- who are meant to eliminate Ocelot before he foils their plans -- [[SpannerInTheWorks they simply never expected Old Snake to destroy more than just Ocelot]].]] It also turns out that the black-morality Solid Snake-era Patriots are [[spoiler:nothing more but [[AIIsACrapshoot a faulty AI system]] developed by Zero long after he lost faith in humanity following Big Boss's departure, which deviated from the vision of Big Boss, Zero, SIGINT, Para-Medic, EVA and Ocelot -- the original Patriots -- and built an economy [[WarForFunAndProfit based on warfare]], with Zero blissfully unaware (not to mention conveniently catatonic) of what he had wrought]].
* ''VideoGame/MightAndMagic VIII'' is full of this: It features a BigBad whose only reason for being that is that he ''can't'' stop once he has started (no matter how much he wants to)[[note]]He was programmed that way as a security measure, to keep the Kreegans from subverting him[[/note]], a conflict between dragon hunters out for profit and xenophobic dragons that see nothing wrong with eating other sentients, and a war between the Necromancers' Guild of Jadame (who, in the modern day of the game, are a fairly laid-back bunch, mostly wanting to keep to themselves) and the Church of the Sun (who came to Jadame to wage war on Necromancers without provocation and are somewhat corrupt and self-serving).
* No character in ''VideoGame/MountAndBlade'' is entirely good, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance at least not by modern standards]]. Lords are generally overbearing and arrogant, scholars are constantly insulting anyone who isn't another scholar or arguing with other scholars, peasants possess very loose morals, professional soldiers and mercenaries [[BloodKnight tend to be the type to enjoy violence]], and even ''you'' will probably be some sort of pragmatic AntiHero, [[BeingGoodSucks if not by choice then by necessity]].
** Many of the multiplayer characters are, according to their backstories, either greedy sellswords or criminals.
** Throne claimants each have their own backstory about why they should be king/queen. The current monarchs will actually have ''their own'' sides to the story and their own reasons, so you're left to decide whose story is worth more. For example, Arwa the Pearled One of the Sarranid Sultanate claims that Sultan Hakim is an EvilUncle who illegally usurped the throne from her, but Sultan Hakim counters that she is a BitchInSheepsClothing and that he has a more legitimate claim due to his royal heritage (while Arwa is an adopted peasant girl). The only claimant/monarch conflict where one side is ''definitely'' more sympathetic than the other is Swadia, which pits the competent and reasonable [[ActionGirl Lady Isolla]] against the incompetent and tyrannical [[FatBastard King Harlaus]]; really, when you ask for Harlaus' reason for exiling Isolla and denying her claim, his argument basically amounts to "[[StayInTheKitchen she is a woman and therefore won't rule well]]".
* ''{{VideoGame/Moonrise}}'': There is no singular villain in this sapphic werewolf interactive novel. The player must choose between two factions: the Masquerade and the Rogues. The Masquerade protects its members by maintaining {{Masquerade}} and keeping humans in the dark. However, they'll go to extreme, murderous lengths to achieve their goal. The Rogues, meanwhile, fight for TheUnmasquedWorld, consequences be damned.
* ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope'': Central Siberia is GreyAndGrayMorality to Western Russia and Southern Urals's BlackAndGrayMorality and Eastern Siberia's MoralityKitchenSink. None of the major unifiers are particularly vile or tyrannical and have good intentions for Russia and their subjects as a whole, and while bad people can potentially come to power in these states, they don't match other unifiers in sheer brutality. Which one is best comes down to personal sympathies for ideology: you have [[ScienceVille Tomsk's]] idealistic DisasterDemocracy and intelligentsia presidents, [[TheGoodKingdom Kemerovo's]] [[DaysOfFuturePast unique fusion]] of Slavic traditionalism and Soviet progressivism, the [[DarkIsNotEvil Siberian Black Army]] and their uncompromising desire for personal freedom, and the [[FightingForAHomeland People's Revolutionary Council]], a Soviet-Mongolian successor state to the Union. Even [[TheFederation Novosibirsk's]] [[SellOut cynical and apolitical]] [[MegaCorp corporate megastate]] at least offers Russia some stable governance. You also have [[WorkingClassHero Kostin's]] [[ChummyCommies Siberian Worker's Federation]] de-unifier, more sympathetic than the other de-unifer failstates.
* ''VideoGame/{{NieR}}'' has this. The protagonist, Nier, and the antagonist, the Shadowlord, are [[spoiler:two incarnations of the same man]] who both have sympathetic yet mutually exclusive goals -- Nier wants to save his daughter from the Shadowlord, who wants to [[spoiler:sacrifice Nier's daughter so he can save his own]]. Both are also willing to commit morally questionable acts to achieve their objectives.
* In ''VideoGame/PapersPlease'', there are virtually no "right" or "wrong" decisions. Over the course of the game, you'll have to face ethical dilemmas whether or not you should obey the rules or sympathize with the entrant. Heck, even the border guards and your supervisor will make requests that is considered to be morally grey in the eyes of the player. Thus, this is why the game has MultipleEndings.
* ''VideoGame/TheOuterWorlds'' features this trope very prominently, as many quests have no clear-cut best outcome: many times, your choices may well screw someone over while you try to help others. An example from early in the game has you on a quest to find a power regulator for your ship so it can fly again. The leader of the town of Edgewater points you towards a camp of Deserters, who has a power regulator in their botanical lab, and instructs you to redirect power from the geothermal plant away from their lab and to Edgewater so you can safely extract it. The Deserter camp, however, is a thriving community of those who turned their backs on Spacer's Choice, the MegaCorp that owns Edgewater and regularly works their employees to death. The Deserter camp's leader proposes directing power towards their lab instead and take the power converter in Edgewater. The leader of Edgewater is a company loyalist, but appears to have genuine concern for his workers; while the leader of the Deserters stands firmly against Spacer's Choice and everything they stand for [[spoiler:and may choose to leave any refugees from the city to the mercy of marauders and local fauna]]. Whoever you direct power away from will end up in dire straits: directing power away from Edgewater will leave a lot of innocent employees out of work, but directing power away from the Deserter camp will leave them at the mercy of Marauders and hostile wildlife. While you benefit from either outcome, you're gonna have to piss off a lot of people to help their opposition.
* The Deadfire Archipelago in ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternityIIDeadfire'' is a mess of morally grey factions, pretty much all of whom have high ideals but ask for DirtyBusiness before they trust the player.
** The Huana are the indigenous people of the Deadfire Archipelago, and a vibrant culture capable of creating things of great beauty. However, Huana culture is strictly caste-based and does not respect private property. Instead, resources are owned by the tribe as a whole and distributed by the ''ranga'' (chief) according to need. While this works well enough in the small tribal societies the Huana have traditionally lived in, the rapid urbanization brought on by increased trade have made the situation untenable for many low-caste Huana. To add to that, chiefs tend to respond angrily and violently to any attempts to offer their subjects charity, as this is a smear on their ability to distribute resources, and implies not-so-subtly that they aren't doing their job.
*** Queen Onekaza II of the Huana is trying to keep the peace in the Deadfire while maintaining her people's traditions. Onekaza is a cautious reformer, but still happy to engage in DirtyBusiness for her people and to maintain her grip on power.
** The Vailian Trading Company is a profit-driven MegaCorp known for always fulfilling its contracts and will generally refrain from any too blatant abuses in favor of honest trading. However, they will enforce contracts that require them to deliver medicine to remote communities at a loss and contracts that require natives to cede their ancestral lands for a pittance with the exact same fervor and have no problems with dealing in narcotics, slaves, weapons, illegal magical artifacts and a number of other less-than-savory goods.
*** Director Castol of the Valian Trading Company believes that luminous adra and animancy will change the world, but also tolerates slavery, although there's some room to change the latter.
** The Royal Deadfire Company is for all intents and purposes a branch of the Ruautaian navy, intent on bringing the Deadfire Archipelago to heel through a combination of cultural imperialism and military force. The Ruautai gleefully engage in every dirty trick and filthy practice engaged in by real-world imperialists, and their end goal would likely mean the end of Huana culture. However, the Ruautai are not primarily out for wealth or power, but food. The Ruautai homeland is facing a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe Malthusian catastrophe]], and without a massive increase in food supply, starvation will soon follow. Meanwhile, the Huana live in small coastal settlements on massively fertile islands mostly covered in jungle. Trade is not an option either, since Ruautai basically only produces copper, saltpeter, and warriors, none of which the Huana are buying, and the Huana are mostly hunter-gatherers or subsistence farmers with little food to sell. Also, there is precious little to suggest the majority of the Huana would be worse off as Ruautai, and at least some things suggest it would be an improvement for many.
** The Principi Sen Patrina (Lords Without A Nation) are TheRemnant of the Old Vailian Empire, and a band of cutthroat pirates, but there are ideals of freedom and independence.
*** Among the Principi, Captain Furrante represents the Old Guard, and still considers himself to be a Vailian noble aspiring to retake his homeland. He is charming, clever, and believes in a certain ''noblesse obligé'' which also means he holds himself to a, in some ways, very high standard of honor. At the same time, he is intensely classist and willing to skirt the edges of his code in many ways if it brings him closer to his end goal.
*** Furrante's main rival, Aeldys, represents the New Blood among the Principi. She has no connection of any kind to Valia and is very blatantly in it only for the money. She is rough, mean, callous, bloodthirsty, and pretty much everything Furrante is not. However, she is very straightforward, hates and actively hunts slavers, and is one of the few characters in the game who is always completely honest.
* ''VideoGame/PlanetSide''. Three factions [[ForeverWar endlessly fighting]] over a tiny ball of rock god-know-where chuck full of alien technology, using [[BackFromTheDead respawning technology]] to keep the war going. The Terran Republic established a thousand years of peace on Earth - while sacrificing freedom. The New Conglomerate rebelled for more personal freedom, but they are backed by large [[MegaCorp corporations]] and [[PrivateMilitaryContractor mercenaries]]). The Vanu Sovereignty wants to uplift humanity to the status of the ancient [[AbsentAliens Vanu]] - but possibly at the cost of your [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul identity and freedom.]]
* ''VideoGame/TheOuterWorlds'' features this trope very prominently, as many quests have no clear-cut best outcome: many times, your choices may well screw someone over while you try to help others. An example from early in the game has you on a quest to find a power regulator for your ship so it can fly again. The leader of the town of Edgewater points you towards a camp of Deserters, who has a power regulator in their botanical lab, and instructs you to redirect power from the geothermal plant away from their lab and to Edgewater so you can safely extract it. The Deserter camp, however, is a thriving community of those who turned their backs on Spacer's Choice, the MegaCorp that owns Edgewater and regularly works their employees to death. The Deserter camp's leader proposes directing power towards their lab instead and take the power converter in Edgewater. The leader of Edgewater is a company loyalist, but appears to have genuine concern for his workers; while the leader of the Deserters stands firmly against Spacer's Choice and everything they stand for [[spoiler:and may choose to leave any refugees from the city to the mercy of marauders and local fauna]]. Whoever you direct power away from will end up in dire straits: directing power away from Edgewater will leave a lot of innocent employees out of work, but directing power away from the Deserter camp will leave them at the mercy of Marauders and hostile wildlife. While you benefit from either outcome, you're gonna have to piss off a lot of people to help their opposition.
* The Deadfire Archipelago in ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternityIIDeadfire'' is a mess of morally grey factions, pretty much all of whom have high ideals but ask for DirtyBusiness before they trust the player.
** The Huana are the indigenous people of the Deadfire Archipelago, and a vibrant culture capable of creating things of great beauty. However, Huana culture is strictly caste-based and does not respect private property. Instead, resources are owned by the tribe as a whole and distributed by the ''ranga'' (chief) according to need. While this works well enough in the small tribal societies the Huana have traditionally lived in, the rapid urbanization brought on by increased trade have made the situation untenable for many low-caste Huana. To add to that, chiefs tend to respond angrily and violently to any attempts to offer their subjects charity, as this is a smear on their ability to distribute resources, and implies not-so-subtly that they aren't doing their job.
*** Queen Onekaza II of the Huana is trying to keep the peace in the Deadfire while maintaining her people's traditions. Onekaza is a cautious reformer, but still happy to engage in DirtyBusiness for her people and to maintain her grip on power.
** The Vailian Trading Company is a profit-driven MegaCorp known for always fulfilling its contracts and will generally refrain from any too blatant abuses in favor of honest trading. However, they will enforce contracts that require them to deliver medicine to remote communities at a loss and contracts that require natives to cede their ancestral lands for a pittance with the exact same fervor and have no problems with dealing in narcotics, slaves, weapons, illegal magical artifacts and a number of other less-than-savory goods.
*** Director Castol of the Valian Trading Company believes that luminous adra and animancy will change the world, but also tolerates slavery, although there's some room to change the latter.
** The Royal Deadfire Company is for all intents and purposes a branch of the Ruautaian navy, intent on bringing the Deadfire Archipelago to heel through a combination of cultural imperialism and military force. The Ruautai gleefully engage in every dirty trick and filthy practice engaged in by real-world imperialists, and their end goal would likely mean the end of Huana culture. However, the Ruautai are not primarily out for wealth or power, but food. The Ruautai homeland is facing a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe Malthusian catastrophe]], and without a massive increase in food supply, starvation will soon follow. Meanwhile, the Huana live in small coastal settlements on massively fertile islands mostly covered in jungle. Trade is not an option either, since Ruautai basically only produces copper, saltpeter, and warriors, none of which the Huana are buying, and the Huana are mostly hunter-gatherers or subsistence farmers with little food to sell. Also, there is precious little to suggest the majority of the Huana would be worse off as Ruautai, and at least some things suggest it would be an improvement for many.
** The Principi Sen Patrina (Lords Without A Nation) are TheRemnant of the Old Vailian Empire, and a band of cutthroat pirates, but there are ideals of freedom and independence.
*** Among the Principi, Captain Furrante represents the Old Guard, and still considers himself to be a Vailian noble aspiring to retake his homeland. He is charming, clever, and believes in a certain ''noblesse obligé'' which also means he holds himself to a, in some ways, very high standard of honor. At the same time, he is intensely classist and willing to skirt the edges of his code in many ways if it brings him closer to his end goal.
*** Furrante's main rival, Aeldys, represents the New Blood among the Principi. She has no connection of any kind to Valia and is very blatantly in it only for the money. She is rough, mean, callous, bloodthirsty, and pretty much everything Furrante is not. However, she is very straightforward, hates and actively hunts slavers, and is one of the few characters in the game who is always completely honest.
* ''VideoGame/PlanetSide''. Three factions [[ForeverWar endlessly fighting]] over a tiny ball of rock god-know-where chuck full of alien technology, using [[BackFromTheDead respawning technology]] to keep the war going. The Terran Republic established a thousand years of peace on Earth - while sacrificing freedom. The New Conglomerate rebelled for more personal freedom, but they are backed by large [[MegaCorp corporations]] and [[PrivateMilitaryContractor mercenaries]]). The Vanu Sovereignty wants to uplift humanity to the status of the ancient [[AbsentAliens Vanu]] - but possibly at the cost of your [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul identity and freedom.]]
* In ''VideoGame/{{Rift}}'', you've got the [[KnightTemplar oh-so-devout]] Guardians versus the [[MadScientist innovative and self-reliant]] Defiants, [[TheUsualAdversaries trying to thwart each other at every turn]]. Both sides have skeletons in their closets, both sides are ostensibly trying to hold off TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and it's even difficult to point out either side as [[ALighterShadeOfGrey the darker or lighter gray]].
** The [[StealthPun moment]] that time travel gets involved at the end of the respective factions' intro zones, who's "right" and "wrong" goes out the window. The Guardians are rightly angry at the Defiants for (inadvertently) siding with the Big Bad and using technology that drains the power of the Veil, the only thing holding back a massive invasion of the Elemental Planes and [[TheLegionsOfHell forces of the Dragons]]. After the initial wave is stopped and the PC is thrown forward in time, the Guardians spend the next X years [[BloodKnight throwing everything they have into a genocidal war against the Defiants]], instead of working WITH them to stop the forces of the Dragons. Because of this, any hope they had of using Defiant technology to fix what it broke in the first place is lost, leading to the Defiant intro happening right at the climax of TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and you get to time-travel back to stop it from happening. Upon returning back and delivering news of what's to come, and the schematics of technology that can stop it, the Defiant leaders [[IgnoredAesop try and figure out how to use the tech to finally defeat the Guardians]], and deal with the planar invasions later.
* The franchise ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors'', especially the second title, also focuses on this at the battle of Sekigahara. Ishida Mitsunari's side portrays him as a JerkWithAHeartOfGold who [[DeadpanSnarker tends to snark a lot]] but nevertheless believes in the value of [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] and {{honor|BeforeReason}}, while showing his opponent Tokugawa Ieyasu as a FatBastard who wants to usurp the shogunate from Toyotomi Hideyori. Conversely, Tokugawa's side portrays him as AFatherToHisMen and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, while accusing Mitsunari (especially his ally Naoe Kanetsugu) of hypocrisy, using the words "honor" and "justice" for unsavory ends and ultimately stealing people's freedom. In fact, ''Samurai Warriors'' is much grayer than ''Dynasty Warriors''; the only more ObviouslyEvil character is Fuuma Kotarou, and even he's ''still'' grayer than Dong Zhuo.
** The [[StealthPun moment]] that time travel gets involved at the end of the respective factions' intro zones, who's "right" and "wrong" goes out the window. The Guardians are rightly angry at the Defiants for (inadvertently) siding with the Big Bad and using technology that drains the power of the Veil, the only thing holding back a massive invasion of the Elemental Planes and [[TheLegionsOfHell forces of the Dragons]]. After the initial wave is stopped and the PC is thrown forward in time, the Guardians spend the next X years [[BloodKnight throwing everything they have into a genocidal war against the Defiants]], instead of working WITH them to stop the forces of the Dragons. Because of this, any hope they had of using Defiant technology to fix what it broke in the first place is lost, leading to the Defiant intro happening right at the climax of TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and you get to time-travel back to stop it from happening. Upon returning back and delivering news of what's to come, and the schematics of technology that can stop it, the Defiant leaders [[IgnoredAesop try and figure out how to use the tech to finally defeat the Guardians]], and deal with the planar invasions later.
* The franchise ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors'', especially the second title, also focuses on this at the battle of Sekigahara. Ishida Mitsunari's side portrays him as a JerkWithAHeartOfGold who [[DeadpanSnarker tends to snark a lot]] but nevertheless believes in the value of [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] and {{honor|BeforeReason}}, while showing his opponent Tokugawa Ieyasu as a FatBastard who wants to usurp the shogunate from Toyotomi Hideyori. Conversely, Tokugawa's side portrays him as AFatherToHisMen and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, while accusing Mitsunari (especially his ally Naoe Kanetsugu) of hypocrisy, using the words "honor" and "justice" for unsavory ends and ultimately stealing people's freedom. In fact, ''Samurai Warriors'' is much grayer than ''Dynasty Warriors''; the only more ObviouslyEvil character is Fuuma Kotarou, and even he's ''still'' grayer than Dong Zhuo.
* The world of ''VideoGame/SenranKagura'' runs on this. The "Good" and "Evil" in a Shinobi's alignment are all but meaningless since both do all sorts of dirty wetwork. The only difference is that the former take orders from the government while the latter take corporate contracts (and as one of the manga shows, this sometimes ends up with both sides chasing the same target). Evil Shinobi can have [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes loved ones]] and [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and Good Shinobi can be [[KnightTemplar assholes]]. However, the strong tradition around Shinobi training mean both sides are trained to hate the other on principle, despite knowing how thin that line is. The first game is about a class of each learning about this and coming to terms with it. The second focuses on the reactions of a group of fanatics from both sides to some of their own being "corrupted".
* None of the three main factions in ''VideoGame/SinsOfASolarEmpire'' can be considered truly good or bad. The Trade Emergency Coalition appear to be just {{Technical Pacifist}}s trying to fight off the "evil" Vasari and the vengeful Advent, but the reason the Advent are vengeful is that the traders exiled them from their homeworld 1000 years before for having different ideas about social norms. The Advent may have legitimate grievances against the traders, except the ones who actually exiled them died a long time ago, so they're trying to punish people who didn't do anything to them. The Vasari used to be a vast [[TheEmpire empire]] and still follow similar policies in terms of enslavement and locking down colonies, but they're just the remains from a single colony that have been fleeing an unknown enemy that has destroyed the rest of the empire for tens of thousands of years and are conquering trader worlds only to get enough resources to be able to continue their flight.
** All three sides engage in a total war against their enemies, nuking planets from orbit until everyone is dead.
** All three sides engage in a total war against their enemies, nuking planets from orbit until everyone is dead.
* In ''VideoGame/TheSpectrumRetreat'', pretty much everyone involved (with possible exception of Crow, whose motivations are unknown) only does questionable things because they have no other choice, and none are truly evil. In truth, the darkest shade of gray might belong to [[spoiler:you, the man who killed out of grief.]]
* During the stealth tutorial for ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Chaos Theory'', Sam Fisher lampshades this trope:
--> Enemy soldiers? They're not my enemy; they're just doing their jobs. ''Light'' is the real enemy.
* During the stealth tutorial for ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Chaos Theory'', Sam Fisher lampshades this trope:
--> Enemy soldiers? They're not my enemy; they're just doing their jobs. ''Light'' is the real enemy.
* ''VideoGame/SupremeCommander''. All sides have sympathetic ideals, if not necessarily ideal means to practice them, and are composed of a mix of fundamentally good people who follow those ideals, and bad people who ignore them. The narrative doesn't seem to really take any sides either. Your choices are a) a human RacialRemnant that wants to rebuild the old Earth empire and reassert humanity as the leaders of the galaxy no matter what, but are depicted as the universe's OnlySaneMan, b) an [[ChurchMilitant aggressive religious movement]] that fights to achieve peace and harmony and is led by a kindly MessianicArchetype, or c) a LaResistance movement for oppressed cyborgs that employs questionable methods but fights for freedom nonetheless.
* ''VideoGame/{{Technobabylon}}'' revels in this. While the protagonists are a shade lighter than most of the other characters, they're still pressured or even forced into committing morally dubious acts, while there are plenty of other characters with good intentions that [[WellIntentionedExtremist go to horrific lengths to achieve their goals.]] Even the single most morally black character in the game only exists to [[spoiler: tempt the player into framing him for murder in a ToBeLawfulOrGood choice.]]
* While all of the three main factions in the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' have their unpleasant aspects, none of them are outright evil, while protagonist Garret is, with a few exceptions, mostly amoral only interested in his own survival. The series is also notable for having a BigBad in each game that represents the extremes of the three factions. ''The Dark Project'' had the Trickster, a Pagan god who takes the Pagan's shunning of technology and embrace of nature to its extreme as he plans to destroy the entire City so that nature can reclaim it. ''The Metal Age'' has Karras, leader of a splinter faction of the Hammerites called the Mechanists, who take their religious devotion to craftsmanship and technology and turn it into a fanatical worship of machines, with Karras planning to kill all organic life in the city and create a new world for his creations. ''Deadly Shadows'' has The Hag, a SerialKiller and member of the Keepers who exploits the ancient secret knowledge the Keepers have at their disposal in a bid for eternal life.
* ''VideoGame/TwistedWonderland'': Almost none of the cast so far has been introduced as particularly good or bad. At least one major character from each of the seven dorms of Night Raven College has dirtied their hands for the sake of a goal or done something that could be seen as morally dubious, but their actions do not reflect the dorm or said character as a whole. In addition, many nominally 'good' characters (particularly Grim and Ace) are just as flawed and often have self-serving reasons for stopping the ArcVillain of the moment ([[CharacterDevelopment at least in the early main story]]).
* While all of the three main factions in the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' have their unpleasant aspects, none of them are outright evil, while protagonist Garret is, with a few exceptions, mostly amoral only interested in his own survival. The series is also notable for having a BigBad in each game that represents the extremes of the three factions. ''The Dark Project'' had the Trickster, a Pagan god who takes the Pagan's shunning of technology and embrace of nature to its extreme as he plans to destroy the entire City so that nature can reclaim it. ''The Metal Age'' has Karras, leader of a splinter faction of the Hammerites called the Mechanists, who take their religious devotion to craftsmanship and technology and turn it into a fanatical worship of machines, with Karras planning to kill all organic life in the city and create a new world for his creations. ''Deadly Shadows'' has The Hag, a SerialKiller and member of the Keepers who exploits the ancient secret knowledge the Keepers have at their disposal in a bid for eternal life.
* ''VideoGame/TwistedWonderland'': Almost none of the cast so far has been introduced as particularly good or bad. At least one major character from each of the seven dorms of Night Raven College has dirtied their hands for the sake of a goal or done something that could be seen as morally dubious, but their actions do not reflect the dorm or said character as a whole. In addition, many nominally 'good' characters (particularly Grim and Ace) are just as flawed and often have self-serving reasons for stopping the ArcVillain of the moment ([[CharacterDevelopment at least in the early main story]]).
* Almost everyone is this in ''VideoGame/WarOfOmens''. Even the current Campaign protagonist, Listrata, tends to be extremely harsh when quashing dissent.
* In ''VideoGame/WayOfTheSamurai'', the player is often offered a spot on each and every side of whatever conflict happens to be occurring in the area he's found him/herself in.
** In the first game, the choices given are to help the Kurou family, who, while admittedly driving an entire town out of their homes in order to sell the land to the government, are really only doing so to ensure their clan's future stability and who generally care about one another; the Akadama group, who are trying to overthrow the government to restore a caste system they pretty much know nothing about and who have no problem kidnapping and extorting to try and get their way, but who are bound by ties of honor and friendship and really are quite noble; and the remaining townsfolk, who are simply trying to survive, but who are willing to stoop to theft and opposition of government officials to achieve said goal. The only truly evil characters in the game are general Tamagawa, who has ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, and his ninja subordinate Hyuuma, who is pretty much just a jerk because he can be.
** The second has even more moral ambiguity. We're given the choice between the Aotou Gang, who are run by an ObviouslyEvil JerkAss but whose rank and file are shown to be likable fellows who are easily swayed; the town magistrates, who act like the Knights Templar, but truly love their town; and the town militia, who are the working stiffs just trying to live their lives, but who are also involved with prostitution and minor drug dealing. On the other hand, Kyojiro Kagenuma really IS as insane and just plain evil as she appears to be. That she has her own ending (and it's a major KickTheDog one) is telltale.
* In spite of the very clear divide painted in the promotional material, neither of the factions in ''VideoGame/WildStar'' is not entirely good nor evil. The Exile "heroes" are basically criminals and terrorists, and sink to some serious lows to have a fighting chance, the Dominion "villains" provide a highly tolerant, well-educated, and prosperous and free society to their citizens. On the other side of the coin, many Exiles are also refugees and innocent hopefuls who want to start a new life on Nexus, while the Dominion demands unconditional servitude and obedience from its citizens when called upon to serve the Empire.
* ''VideoGame/{{Wings}}'' portrays the Allied perspective on [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI WW1]] if you play as them, or the German perspective if you play as them, but doesn't seem to take sides overall.
* In ''VideoGame/WayOfTheSamurai'', the player is often offered a spot on each and every side of whatever conflict happens to be occurring in the area he's found him/herself in.
** In the first game, the choices given are to help the Kurou family, who, while admittedly driving an entire town out of their homes in order to sell the land to the government, are really only doing so to ensure their clan's future stability and who generally care about one another; the Akadama group, who are trying to overthrow the government to restore a caste system they pretty much know nothing about and who have no problem kidnapping and extorting to try and get their way, but who are bound by ties of honor and friendship and really are quite noble; and the remaining townsfolk, who are simply trying to survive, but who are willing to stoop to theft and opposition of government officials to achieve said goal. The only truly evil characters in the game are general Tamagawa, who has ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, and his ninja subordinate Hyuuma, who is pretty much just a jerk because he can be.
** The second has even more moral ambiguity. We're given the choice between the Aotou Gang, who are run by an ObviouslyEvil JerkAss but whose rank and file are shown to be likable fellows who are easily swayed; the town magistrates, who act like the Knights Templar, but truly love their town; and the town militia, who are the working stiffs just trying to live their lives, but who are also involved with prostitution and minor drug dealing. On the other hand, Kyojiro Kagenuma really IS as insane and just plain evil as she appears to be. That she has her own ending (and it's a major KickTheDog one) is telltale.
* In spite of the very clear divide painted in the promotional material, neither of the factions in ''VideoGame/WildStar'' is not entirely good nor evil. The Exile "heroes" are basically criminals and terrorists, and sink to some serious lows to have a fighting chance, the Dominion "villains" provide a highly tolerant, well-educated, and prosperous and free society to their citizens. On the other side of the coin, many Exiles are also refugees and innocent hopefuls who want to start a new life on Nexus, while the Dominion demands unconditional servitude and obedience from its citizens when called upon to serve the Empire.
* ''VideoGame/{{Wings}}'' portrays the Allied perspective on [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI WW1]] if you play as them, or the German perspective if you play as them, but doesn't seem to take sides overall.
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'': Mor Ardain is aggressively expansionist and has a few corrupt officials running around, [[spoiler:but they're only expanding to find a new homeland as their Titan is dying and the king who runs the whole thing is a good man]]. Uraya seems to be better than Mor Ardain, but they seem unusually reluctant to cool tensions between the two nations [[spoiler:even after negotiations in Indol]], and the nation as a whole suffers from severe social stratification between the haves and have-nots. The people of Tantal are starving to death and their rulers (who are descendants of Addam) [[spoiler:actually aren't even descendants of Addam, but they have to pay off debts to Indol and keep Ophion in check so no one can repeat what Amalthus did and grab an Aegis]]. Torna runs the gamut from OmnicidalManiac ([[spoiler:Malos]]) to WellIntentionedExtremist ([[spoiler:Jin]]), and the good intentions of the heroes [[spoiler:are massively offset by the fact that they're purely on their journey because Pyra and Mythra [[DeathSeeker want to die]].]] The only truly good or bad groups are the heroes as the former, [[spoiler:and Amalthus and Malos as the latter, and the latter villain's case is purely because of the former.]]
--->'''Vandham:''' "Everyone's fighting their own war."
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' is a subverted example. The war between Keves and Agnus is Grey on gray, and is pointed out as such by the protagonists. However, the true conflict of the game is between the Ouroboros and [[spoiler:Moebius, and minus a TokenGoodTeammate on their part]] is decidedly BlackAndWhiteMorality.
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'' takes a very "choices and consequences" approach to morality in its many, many sidequest dialog options, and the road to hell is truly paved with good intentions - sometimes being a dick is the only way to minimize the body count, and the people involved may or may not sympathize with this after the fact. This comes to a head late in the plot when [[spoiler:Elma points a gun at a traitor and Rook, unbidden by the player, will join Lin in [[GoThroughMe standing between them]] because they find said traitor's story sympathetic. The thing is, the ''player'' might very well be on Elma's side, and a very strong case can be made that it's irresponsible of everyone involved not to put a bullet in the traitor on the spot when you weigh one tragic story against humanity's survival. And to cap it off, what at the time is an ambiguous situation or message about humanity [[BrokenAesop proves Elma completely right]] when the traitor's actions later compromise or destroy the subject of humanity's entire efforts thus far.]]
--->'''Vandham:''' "Everyone's fighting their own war."
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' is a subverted example. The war between Keves and Agnus is Grey on gray, and is pointed out as such by the protagonists. However, the true conflict of the game is between the Ouroboros and [[spoiler:Moebius, and minus a TokenGoodTeammate on their part]] is decidedly BlackAndWhiteMorality.
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'' takes a very "choices and consequences" approach to morality in its many, many sidequest dialog options, and the road to hell is truly paved with good intentions - sometimes being a dick is the only way to minimize the body count, and the people involved may or may not sympathize with this after the fact. This comes to a head late in the plot when [[spoiler:Elma points a gun at a traitor and Rook, unbidden by the player, will join Lin in [[GoThroughMe standing between them]] because they find said traitor's story sympathetic. The thing is, the ''player'' might very well be on Elma's side, and a very strong case can be made that it's irresponsible of everyone involved not to put a bullet in the traitor on the spot when you weigh one tragic story against humanity's survival. And to cap it off, what at the time is an ambiguous situation or message about humanity [[BrokenAesop proves Elma completely right]] when the traitor's actions later compromise or destroy the subject of humanity's entire efforts thus far.]]
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* ''[[VideoGame/{{Langrisser}} Der Langrisser]]'' definitely falls into this trope. No matter what side you choose, you'll end up fighting for peace while doing awful things along the way. There's no possible path that spares you the dramatic scene and the guilt of killing someone decent. You kill [[spoiler:Vargas, who's just had a little daughter, and get to watch Leon tell his wife the sad news]] in the Light path, and you slaughter [[spoiler:Scott and his father, in a rather cruel fashion]] in all others.
* In the ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' series, despite the many changes in the story's overall tone over many games, one theme remains constant: no one faction is exclusively good or evil. Wei appears to be antagonistic, but Cao Cao is a pragmatic, AffablyEvil [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] backed by warriors of laudable personal qualities. Shu is the nominally more heroic faction, but Liu Bei has done some things worth calling out, such as usurping his relative Liu Zhang BecauseDestinySaysSo as well as his assault on Yi Ling, and ''Dynasty Warriors 7'' in particular plays with AlternativeCharacterInterpretation of his strategist/chancellor Zhuge Liang. Wu is the "''opportunist''" state which takes advantage of the chaos to do as it pleases, but their royal family[[note]]father Sun Jian, sons Ce and Quan, and daughter Shangxiang[[/note]] is depicted as a tight-knit family backed by Sun Ce's sworn brother Zhou Yu and veterans from Sun Jian's days. Flaws aside, each kingdom has their fair share of heroic warriors. Even Zhang Jiao comes off pretty sympathetic, and in his ending, he keeps his word in steering his new nation through the "Way of Peace". Even Dong Zhuo, the unambiguously evil FatBastard he is, is shown in his Campaign Mode to be desperately trying to salvage his rightful claim as Han emperor from the usurpers taking advantage of his realm's collapse. The ''Empires'' games take it a step further -- you start out dead-center neutral with whoever you play as, and it's entirely up to you how good or evil your reign is. Of course, part of the reason is that, historically, none of the kingdoms succeeded in unifying China (that would be some last-minute Jin opportunist named Sima Yan), so it's impossible to say who the "hero" or "villain" really was.
* Speaking of ''Dynasty Warriors'', its Sengoku-themed sister franchise ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors'', especially the second title, also focuses on this at the battle of Sekigahara. Ishida Mitsunari's side portrays him as a JerkWithAHeartOfGold who [[DeadpanSnarker tends to snark a lot]] but nevertheless believes in the value of [[ThePowerOfFriendship friendship]] and {{honor|BeforeReason}}, while showing his opponent Tokugawa Ieyasu as a FatBastard who wants to usurp the shogunate from Toyotomi Hideyori. Conversely, Tokugawa's side portrays him as AFatherToHisMen and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, while accusing Mitsunari (especially his ally Naoe Kanetsugu) of hypocrisy, using the words "honor" and "justice" for unsavory ends and ultimately stealing people's freedom. In fact, ''Samurai Warriors'' is much grayer than ''Dynasty Warriors''; the only more ObviouslyEvil character is Fuuma Kotarou, and even he's ''still'' grayer than Dong Zhuo.
* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots''. The [[AmazonBrigade Beauty & Beast Corps]] are war-scarred women outfitted with advanced nanotechnology and [[BigBad Liquid Ocelot]] is [[spoiler:GoodAllAlong (relatively), is actually ''the'' Ocelot from [=MGS3=] pretending to have assimilated Liquid Snake's personality, and is stopping the Patriots' plans.]] On the good guys' side, Roy Campbell's marriage to Raiden's wife Rosemary [[spoiler:was a facade meant to protect her and their supposedly-miscarried son Little John from the Patriots while Raiden is out fighting]], and Rat Patrol 01 [[spoiler:is the Patriots' {{Unwitting Pawn}}s -- their acronym ("RAT PT 01") can even be rearranged to spell "[=PATR10T=]" -- who are meant to eliminate Ocelot before he foils their plans -- [[SpannerInTheWorks they simply never expected Old Snake to destroy more than just Ocelot]].]] It also turns out that the black-morality Solid Snake-era Patriots are [[spoiler:nothing more but [[AIIsACrapshoot a faulty AI system]] developed by Zero long after he lost faith in humanity following Big Boss's departure, which deviated from the vision of Big Boss, Zero, SIGINT, Para-Medic, EVA and Ocelot -- the original Patriots -- and built an economy [[WarForFunAndProfit based on warfare]], with Zero blissfully unaware (not to mention conveniently catatonic) of what he had wrought]].
* Ditto for the ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' series. By the time Defiance rolls around, you're never really sure who's supposed to be the good guy and who the bad guy.
** Do the Hylden have a single redeeming feature? Or are we just talking about freakish abominations not imprisoned in another universe?
*** It's easy to believe that the Hylden were the victims until you realize that they were building a genocide machine before they got banished.
** [[spoiler:The Elder God]] is a real piece of work too. [[spoiler:He's responsible for ''everything'' Nosgoth has suffered.]]
* In ''VideoGame/WayOfTheSamurai'', the player is often offered a spot on each and every side of whatever conflict happens to be occurring in the area he's found him/herself in.
** In the first game, the choices given are to help the Kurou family, who, while admittedly driving an entire town out of their homes in order to sell the land to the government, are really only doing so to ensure their clan's future stability and who generally care about one another; the Akadama group, who are trying to overthrow the government to restore a caste system they pretty much know nothing about and who have no problem kidnapping and extorting to try and get their way, but who are bound by ties of honor and friendship and really are quite noble; and the remaining townsfolk, who are simply trying to survive, but who are willing to stoop to theft and opposition of government officials to achieve said goal. The only truly evil characters in the game are general Tamagawa, who has ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, and his ninja subordinate Hyuuma, who is pretty much just a jerk because he can be.
** The second has even more moral ambiguity. We're given the choice between the Aotou Gang, who are run by an ObviouslyEvil JerkAss but whose rank and file are shown to be likable fellows who are easily swayed; the town magistrates, who act like the Knights Templar, but truly love their town; and the town militia, who are the working stiffs just trying to live their lives, but who are also involved with prostitution and minor drug dealing. On the other hand, Kyojiro Kagenuma really IS as insane and just plain evil as she appears to be. That she has her own ending (and it's a major KickTheDog one) is telltale.
* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'':
** This is Squall's worldview in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII''. "There is no good or evil; just two sides with different views." Although, the world this time around turned out to be more BlackAndGrayMorality.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII''. To elaborate, on the villain's side we have the machiavellian, {{Affably|Evil}} EvilPrince who wants to become the emperor and restore order to the empire, the WellIntentionedExtremist MadScientist who's working with his demigod SpiritAdvisor to overthrow the JerkassGods, the Judges who bar one are well-intentioned tools devoted to protecting to law, and the Emperor himself who is trying to keep the Senate from turning his youngest son into a puppet heir while preventing the empire from collapsing into civil war. On the good guys' side, we have a vengeful, stubborn princess who will stop at nothing (including ''genocide'') to regain her kingdom and pay back the empire for her dead husband, and who nearly becomes the willing puppet of the aforementioned JerkassGods to achieve this, a pair of sky pirates who are just in it for the treasure (and one of them ''knows'' exactly what the princess is trying to do and where it would lead), an old soldier who's willing to do ''anything'' to protect the princess, and finally two slightly naive teenagers, one of whom is a petty thief. In between this lot we have a Marquis-cum-Resistance leader who plays permanent double agent and whose loyalties depend on who is winning, a Rebel general who's willing to sell out his own princess if it means his country will be restored even if it's in name only, an ex-Judge who destroyed an entire city and now resorts to piracy to make up for his sins, and an imperial prince who is caught between caution and preemptive assault in the protection of his nation. The only good character is really the youngest prince, and he suffers from a bad case of naivety and idealism.
** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics''. In the beginning, two princes are fighting each other for the throne. Since it is basically the [[UsefulNotes/WarsOfTheRoses War of the Roses]] in the form of Final Fantasy, neither side is really good. Later in the game, it becomes more like BlackAndGrayMorality once the Church and [[spoiler:Delita]] start playing more significant roles in the war. [[spoiler:Delita, while he ultimately does stop the kingdom from falling into complete chaos, uses any and every Machiavellian method available to him in order to accomplish his goals. The Church is basically controlled by Satan]]. The only white to be found is Ramza and his fate is [[spoiler:[[CrapsackWorld to become a footnote in history]]]].
*** {{Deconstructed}}: While Ramza's actions [[spoiler:are covered up by the Church for centuries, he is eventually vindicated — and his morally white actions ''do'' save Ivalice]]. Meanwhile, [[spoiler:the Church's]] power is shaken, and [[spoiler:Delita, the poster child for the game's Grey and Gray Morality, ends the game miserable, wounded, and utterly alone.]]
''VideoGame/GenshinImpact''. The entire relationship between Celestial and the Abyss Order can be summed up as this.On one hand, Celestial's actions of punishing the entire of Khaenri'ah for the actions of a specific group is going too far. Man, woman and child, none of them was spared from a terrible curse. However, at the same time, Khaenri'ah was responsible for the Cataclysm. An apocalyptic event that almost brought about the EndOfTheWorld. Every nation suffered terribly for it, with their people either being killed, or even forced to suffer a FateWorseThanDeath. Even after 500 years in present day, the [[PlayerCharacter Traveler]] is still helping the world through the damages it brought about. The extend of the damage it brought about was so extensive, there is no way to justify the damage Khaenri'ah did.
* In ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'', both the Assassins and Templars seek a peaceful world, they just apply different methods, and neither side are purely good guys or bad guys. Supposedly. The success {{Creator/Ubisoft}} had in actually implementing this has been... mixed.
** In [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI the first game]], the overarching theme (which is echoed by Lucy in the present day) is that while the Templars' goals are honorable, the methods they go about attaining them are unacceptable, and thus it's up to the Assassins to thwart them. The entire game involves Altair taking out a series of Templar agents, all nasty at best and murderous at worst, each of whom, in dying, tries to convince Altair that he was in the wrong (unsuccessfully), interspersed with a series of conversations with Al-Mualim which reveal little. In the end, it turns out that Al-Mualim was secretly a double agent who had Altair kill the Templars to prevent them from recovering the Apple of Eden, which he uses to ''enslave the entire population of Masayaf''. (He ''did'' genuinely want to bring an end to the Crusades, but Altair believed it was wrong for him to do so through the illusion of brotherhood when the assassins had spent the whole time leading him to wisdom without needing mind control.) In the end, none of the unequivocally evil Templars are vindicated in any way, and Altair not only fully redeems himself but completely patches things up with his rivals and eventually succeeds Al-Mualim as grandmaster.
** Subversion in the [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII three]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Ezio]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations games]]. Rodrigo is a blood-drenched tyrant, Cesare is an outright ''psychopath'', and most other Templars are butchers, extortionists, corrupt officials, thieves, usurpers, or shady schemers. There are some exceptions such as the lawyer who acted against his friends out of fear of the Medici, more humble TragicVillain, and Revelations provides a bit more grey with the more mild-minded Palailogos who wants to regain his throne, or the more noble [[spoiler: Ahmet]] who was "tired of divisions". There's also mentions of how assassin non-interference with overarching politics led to some defections in the ranks. But overall, the templars are not portrayed in a very positive light. Meanwhile, Ezio originally joined the assassins for revenge but grew into their talks of freedom and equality over the course of his life, and not only proves his heroism countless times and transforms Rome from a broken-down slum to a beautiful, thriving metropolis pretty much singlehandedly. His Brotherhood becomes a force of good throughout Europe and much of Asia, promoting science and the arts, defending against invaders, and undertaking numerous public works projects.
** They finally got it right in [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII the third game]]. {{Creator/Ubisoft}} carefully crafted a balanced outlook of all four factions in UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution (Assassins, Templars, British, and Patriots) in the face of widespread criticism. The British, of course, have their share of {{Evil Brit}}s and atrocities, but want to hold their empire together more than anything else, while it's made very clear that the Colonials want freedom, but don't really care for ''[[TheHero Connor]]'s'' freedom, and in fact, Connor points out the [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]] of wanting freedom while owning slaves. Then there's [[spoiler:George Washington destroying several native villages, including Connor's home village, which is TruthInTelevision]].
*** The Assassins were KnightInSourArmor at first in the colonies, while Conner is a man of principle who nonetheless often gets accused of extreme naivete for killing first without thinking of larger context. On the other hand, though, he's a generous and protective man, bringing tens of new assassins into the order with promises of safety and prosperity.
*** The Templars, meanwhile, have a variety of motives in being part of the order, but all of them end up [[VillainHasAPoint having at least something worthwhile to say]] when discussing their motives and plans. Haytham in particular is a cynical but pragmatic leader who wants to create an order under the Templars of equality and peace but does so in so many unsavory and manipulative ways that he ends up driving his son away from him.
*** Finally, this game introduces a bit of 'Black' into the mix: [[spoiler:Juno, who manipulated Assassins and Templars alike to bring about her own resurrection so she could conquer humanity.]]
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIVBlackFlag Black Flag]]'' took a step backward. At first the Templars are seen to participate in activities that, while unsavory by today's standards, were fairly typical for privileged men of the era. (One even chides an associate who expresses disgust at his dealing in slaves, asking how subjugating black men is morally worse than subjugating all men.) Edward becomes a privateer, and later pirate, for the sole purpose of getting rich, and he's point-blank about this to everyone he meets. There are a few lines he won't cross... he reacts ''very'' negatively when someone asks if he's thinking of taking of slaving, for instance... but otherwise has no qualms about sacking ships, putting innocent sailors to the sword, and plundering warehouses, like any other good 'n hearty freebooter. When he meets the Assassins (whom he learns absolutely nothing about beforehand), they're portrayed as stubborn, unpleasant, highly territorial recluses. However, through a series of mutual struggles, Edward becomes sympathetic to the Assassins' cause, ultimately adding their symbol to his flag, and learns that the Templars intended to use the Sage as part of a plot to take over the English government. There's also a bit of greying in that some of Edward's pirate friends are more rambunctious than he is, showing that he keeps problematic company. Some of the pirates even defect to the Templars, believing either that the Templars at least would take care of them compared to the chaos of striking out on their own, or that the experiment of the Pirate Republic showed that the world needed the order the Templars offer. So while there are seductive points to these Templars overall, Edward concludes that as bad as he's been, what the Templars are doing is even worse.
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRogue Rogue]]'' made a huge turn to the point where it almost qualifies as role reversal. Achilles is a problematic Mentor who makes an error in judgment but refuses to see his actions as problematic. The other Master Assassins are either too stupid to see the problem, or too blinded by loyalty to call him out. He makes no attempt to cool off Shay after the highly traumatic destruction of Lisbon, leading to his defection. The lower-level Assassins have degenerated into criminal gangs whose sole purpose is to extort the populace and kill anyone who tries to root them out. Meanwhile, Shay gets won over by a wealthy Templar who seeks to rebuild parts of the Colonies ruined by war or neglect, and he takes on Christopher Gist, a charming, humorous rogue, as his quartermaster. Haytham, while cold-blooded as ever, never harms anyone who isn't already an acknowledged enemy. Not only don't we see the Templars do anything overtly evil, Shay performs some of the same tasks as Edward!
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedUnity Unity]]'' gets back on track, but in a [[BrokenBase controversial way]]. The Continental Assassins are so wrapped up in arcane rules, methodology, and hierarchy that they butt heads with Arno who favors more direct actions against enemies. (In one revealing scene, he brings Belloq to justice after Belloq murdered their Mentor, for which he's ''punished''.) The Assassins fail to prevent a bloody revolution, protect their most powerful ally, the King, or stop any of the atrocities that happen after his death. Meanwhile, the Templars have split into 2 branches. One branch bears some similarities to the Assassins in being more moderated in their approach to influence government, and the Grandmaster of this branch was nice enough to take an Assassin under his wing to care and then indoctrinate him gradually to their ways. The other branch creates a complicated scheme to portray the King as an out-of-touch petty tyrant so that the people will overthrow him, which will lead to chaos and teach them to hate that kind of chaos. Then, once things settle down, the people will desire order above all else from structures rather than power, thus putting the Templars into power as the solution. Arno thwarts several of their plans, and despite the fact that he isn't popular at all within the Assassin organization, the revolutionary Templars don't try to win him to their side. Ultimately their plan succeeds, but unfortunately their long-term success is hampered after the death of their leader. As for Arno himself, he starts out as a good-for-nothing young punk ''a la'' Ezio and gets drawn into the Assassins out of a desire for revenge, but never truly embraces their way of thinking and is motivated primarily by his love for Elise (which doesn't end well).
** ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedSyndicate Syndicate]]'' is also grey but in a different sort of way. The Templars in this game are captains of industry, science, and power. In a sense, none of them are the VisionaryVillain of older generations but are just trying to make their way in London area. Of course, this involves things like worker exploitation, human experiments with lethal consequences, trade monopolies, robbery, government assassination attempts, and running city gangs. That being said though, their leader is a cool-headed and even somewhat compassionate BenevolentBoss who loves his family, loyal underlings, and even raises wages to counter inflation during a financial crisis. The Assassins, meanwhile, have been trying to work around London for generations, while our player characters cause two kinds of problems. Jacob is a DestructiveSavior who often causes problems for ordinary people as he goes around killing Templars, but at least he's trying to move forward with generally improving the city. Evie, meanwhile, is more interested in going after the Pieces of Eden and learning more about London before helping, but her tunnel vision sometimes frustrates her brother due to her perceived lack of action. Both, however, DO want to help out the masses, and both in the end are shown to be hopeful, strong assassins who are all about saving lives, just with different ideas about how to do that. Near the end of the game, their roles even switch for a time, with Jacob wanting to sit back and wait, while Evie wants to bust heads.
* The ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' expansion, ''Going Rogue'', runs on this.
** On one side is Emperor Cole (a.k.a. Tyrant) and his underlings whose philosophy is something like, "Order at any cost." If the player joins the Loyalists, he can then use the power of the Praetorian Empire to either protect its citizens or advance his personal power.
** On the other side is the underground [[LaResistance Resistance]] whose creed is "Freedom at any cost." If the player joins them, he can either work to free the people of Praetoria or can act as agent of chaos.
* ''VideoGame/InfiniteSpace'' has several instances of this, although nothing in the game tops the long-running conflict between Kalymnos and Nova Nacio. This is especially apparent during the Irvest Sector War, with the so-called People Committee of Kalymnos [[spoiler:attempts to obliterate ''the residents of an entire planet'' owned by Nova Nacio by crashing its satellite to win the war]], while Nova Nacio [[spoiler:has been secretly developing a very powerful weapon on the same planet under the cover of colonization project]].
* During the stealth tutorial for ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Chaos Theory'', Sam Fisher lampshades this trope:
--> Enemy soldiers? They're not my enemy; they're just doing their jobs. ''Light'' is the real enemy.
* Used heavily in the ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' games, though it doesn't quite become apparent until ''The Lost Age'', where all the antagonists of ''The Broken Seal'' are revealed to have been working for good ends and trying to defy a system that if left in place will result in the decline and ultimate end of the world of Weyard, but whose supporters (rightly) fear the abuse of Alchemy unleashed.
** In ''Dark Dawn'', the effects of releasing Alchemy are starting to take hold, the world is being reshaped, some heroes of the earlier games are [[DudeWheresMyRespect reviled for their efforts]], and the heroes of ''this'' game have to stop and debate whether or not to rescue a known criminal from a CruelAndUnusualDeath. In the last instance, Karis [[LampshadeHanging has to explain this trope]] to Amiti (who [[TheIngenue really is just that naïve]]).
*** Really, there is only one truly evil character in the whole series. Too bad that he's TheChessmaster... And even then, Alex isn't exactly evil, just self-serving. He manipulates to his own ends, but he never shows any actual malice towards the characters. The only time he ever struck against a character was when they attacked him, and it was only to stop their attack.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Rift}}'', you've got the [[KnightTemplar oh-so-devout]] Guardians versus the [[MadScientist innovative and self-reliant]] Defiants, [[TheUsualAdversaries trying to thwart each other at every turn]]. Both sides have skeletons in their closets, both sides are ostensibly trying to hold off TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and it's even difficult to point out either side as [[ALighterShadeOfGrey the darker or lighter gray]].
** The [[StealthPun moment]] that time travel gets involved at the end of the respective factions' intro zones, who's "right" and "wrong" goes out the window. The Guardians are rightly angry at the Defiants for (inadvertently) siding with the Big Bad and using technology that drains the power of the Veil, the only thing holding back a massive invasion of the Elemental Planes and [[TheLegionsOfHell forces of the Dragons]]. After the initial wave is stopped and the PC is thrown forward in time, the Guardians spend the next X years [[BloodKnight throwing everything they have into a genocidal war against the Defiants]], instead of working WITH them to stop the forces of the Dragons. Because of this, any hope they had of using Defiant technology to fix what it broke in the first place is lost, leading to the Defiant intro happening right at the climax of TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, and you get to time-travel back to stop it from happening. Upon returning back and delivering news of what's to come, and the schematics of technology that can stop it, the Defiant leaders [[IgnoredAesop try and figure out how to use the tech to finally defeat the Guardians]], and deal with the planar invasions later.
* ''VideoGame/{{Wings}}'' portrays the Allied perspective on [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI WW1]] if you play as them, or the German perspective if you play as them, but doesn't seem to take sides overall.
* None of the three main factions in ''VideoGame/SinsOfASolarEmpire'' can be considered truly good or bad. The Trade Emergency Coalition appear to be just {{Technical Pacifist}}s trying to fight off the "evil" Vasari and the vengeful Advent, but the reason the Advent are vengeful is that the traders exiled them from their homeworld 1000 years before for having different ideas about social norms. The Advent may have legitimate grievances against the traders, except the ones who actually exiled them died a long time ago, so they're trying to punish people who didn't do anything to them. The Vasari used to be a vast [[TheEmpire empire]] and still follow similar policies in terms of enslavement and locking down colonies, but they're just the remains from a single colony that have been fleeing an unknown enemy that has destroyed the rest of the empire for tens of thousands of years and are conquering trader worlds only to get enough resources to be able to continue their flight.
** All three sides engage in a total war against their enemies, nuking planets from orbit until everyone is dead.
* All of the major organizations in ''VideoGame/{{Lusternia}}''. Despite their underlying themes, they are only as good or evil as the individual characters that dwell there. The city with all the trappings of a good [[TheFederation federation]] has [[WitchHunt zealot]] KnightTemplar[=s=] galore: the city with all the trappings of an evil [[TheEmpire empire]] has [[TheCorruption mutated, undead]] family men and pacifists among their [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi-inspired]] troopers.
* ''VideoGame/MightAndMagic VIII'' is full of this: It features a BigBad whose only reason for being that is that he ''can't'' stop once he has started (no matter how much he wants to)[[note]]He was programmed that way as a security measure, to keep the Kreegans from subverting him[[/note]], a conflict between dragon hunters out for profit and xenophobic dragons that see nothing wrong with eating other sentients, and a war between the Necromancers' Guild of Jadame (who, in the modern day of the game, are a fairly laid-back bunch, mostly wanting to keep to themselves) and the Church of the Sun (who came to Jadame to wage war on Necromancers without provocation and are somewhat corrupt and self-serving).
* In ''VideoGame/{{Avadon}}'', both [[spoiler:Redbeard]] and [[spoiler:the Duke]] have both positive and negative traits that can make it hard to decide who to side with.
* In ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'', the central conflict in the game is extremely lacking in details, but what details we do know ultimately make it an example of this. The conflict between Fire and Dark seems clear-cut at first, but we're shown numerous instances of how LightIsNotGood and DarkIsNotEvil throughout the games. On the other hand, we're also shown numerous instances of LightIsGood and DarkIsEvil at the same time. The message of the games seems to be that both sides have their place in the world, and are capable of good things, but both can also be a destructive, corrupting influence if taken too far.
* ''VideoGame/PlanetSide''. Three factions [[ForeverWar endlessly fighting]] over a tiny ball of rock god-know-where chuck full of alien technology, using [[BackFromTheDead respawning technology]] to keep the war going. The Terran Republic established a thousand years of peace on Earth - while sacrificing freedom. The New Conglomerate rebelled for more personal freedom, but they are backed by large [[MegaCorp corporations]] and [[PrivateMilitaryContractor mercenaries]]). The Vanu Sovereignty wants to uplift humanity to the status of the ancient [[AbsentAliens Vanu]] - but possibly at the cost of your [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul identity and freedom.]]
* ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'': While the leaders of that big corporation are a bunch of greedy assholes, most of the employees are just people doing their work or innocent victims who haven't done anything bad. The marines are usually well-meaning if slightly hardballed with their work. The Xenomorphs are obviously nasty bastards but in the video games, it's their territories that are being invaded and their queen violated, so in all rights, they're fighting a war of self-defence against the humans and the Yautja, thought with rules that aren't exactly what the Geneva Conventions would allow. The Yautja no doubt starts wars and deaths for no actual good reason but they do have standards on which things the hunters are allowed to kill; women, children, sick and old are forbidden to hunt but for the rest, it's a free game with whatever nasty and violent way they want to use.
* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' features a lot throughout the course of the game. The trailer basically sums up the trope in this game: "You either hang onto your morals and die or do whatever it takes to survive."
** The end has a large conflict featuring Ellie. [[spoiler:Marlene planned to use Ellie to create a vaccine to inoculate people, but the surgical procedure would result in her death.[[note]]The surgeon is actually wrong. He doesn't need the whole brain. He doesn't even need to do surgery! All he needs is to do a ''spinal tap.''[[/note]] Joel, because he saw her as another daughter, saves her before the Fireflies perform the surgery, thus wasting the chance to save the human race. If you were in Joel's shoes, would you do the same or would you let Ellie be used for a cure to save humanity?]]
*** [[spoiler:This is thrown into more confusion when it is implied that there have been several other people immune to the virus and that engineering a cure from them has failed. This information is only heard from a lone Firefly talking to himself, so it is unclear how valid this is.]]
* ''VideoGame/SupremeCommander''. All sides have sympathetic ideals, if not necessarily ideal means to practice them, and are composed of a mix of fundamentally good people who follow those ideals, and bad people who ignore them. The narrative doesn't seem to really take any sides either. Your choices are a) a human RacialRemnant that wants to rebuild the old Earth empire and reassert humanity as the leaders of the galaxy no matter what, but are depicted as the universe's OnlySaneMan, b) an [[ChurchMilitant aggressive religious movement]] that fights to achieve peace and harmony and is led by a kindly MessianicArchetype, or c) a LaResistance movement for oppressed cyborgs that employs questionable methods but fights for freedom nonetheless.
* In ''Videogame/{{Freelancer}}'' most factions except the Xenos (who are obviously xenophobic omnicidal maniacs) and the Liberty Police (defending the land of freedom and whatnot) are somewhat guilty of this, ranging from farmers turned into terrorists, tree-huggers turned into terrorists and hackers turned into terrorists, to tyrannical and corrupt regimes and corporations that would sell their mothers for money (and eventually causing said mothers to turn into terrorists). Special mention goes to the Corsairs and the Outcasts faction, whose mothership lost contact with the others during travel, forcing them to become outlaws in order to survive, and the other factions subsequently shoot upon them. Apparently diplomacy is an unknown concept to this universe.
* Moral ambiguity in ''VideoGame/EmeraldCityConfidential'' is a given, based on its FilmNoir tone. Although Petra is the protagonist, [[GuileHero she isn't always morally upstanding]]. And although Queen Ozma is first seen as an antagonistic and oppressive ruler, she turns out to be a WellIntentionedExtremist who's trying to save Oz from an even worse threat.
* In spite of the very clear divide painted in the promotional material, neither of the factions in ''VideoGame/WildStar'' is not entirely good nor evil. The Exile "heroes" are basically criminals and terrorists, and sink to some serious lows to have a fighting chance, the Dominion "villains" provide a highly tolerant, well-educated, and prosperous and free society to their citizens. On the other side of the coin, many Exiles are also refugees and innocent hopefuls who want to start a new life on Nexus, while the Dominion demands unconditional servitude and obedience from its citizens when called upon to serve the Empire.
* In ''VideoGame/PapersPlease'', there are virtually no "right" or "wrong" decisions. Over the course of the game, you'll have to face ethical dilemmas whether or not you should obey the rules or sympathize with the entrant. Heck, even the border guards and your supervisor will make requests that is considered to be morally grey in the eyes of the player. Thus, this is why the game has MultipleEndings.
* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' is full of this. About the only morally unambiguous choice in the end-game is to aid the Underking, and then only because his goal is to finally ''[[UndeathAlwaysEnds die]]'' rather than to actually use Numidium. There are several candidates for worst of the worst, and you ''will'' aid at least one of them out of your own free will, without being fooled, over the course of the main storyline. A note on ''Daggerfall'': it turns out that due to an event called a "Dragon Break", in which time flows in a non-linear fashion, somehow all the choices you're able to make ended up happening at the exact same time. This would be known as the "Warp in the West" and resulted in having every single nation in western Tamriel (there were a lot) turn into two provinces and swear loyalty to the Empire.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]''. Although the main quest appears to be black-and-white (though if you really dig into the backstory, the BigBad has some WellIntentionedExtremist and VillainHasAPoint aspects that can move him closer to a "dark gray", and the wannabe BigGood Azura has a ton of skeletons in her closet), the politics in Vvardenfell are very clearly Gray And Gray. House Hlaalu, for example, is open-minded but corrupted, House Telvanni is honest but elitist, House Redoran is strong but xenophobic, the Empire often ranges from oppressive to a little bit too lax, the Dunmer Temple is kind and charitable but has Knights Templar (the Ordinators) and is to some degree a CorruptChurch, and the three [[PhysicalGod god-kings]] to which it is devoted are, respectively, benevolent but pathologically dishonest, egotistically psychotic, and completely withdrawn from the affairs of mortals. House Dagoth are portrayed as evil but still remain somewhat gray. At most the main quest is closer to BlackAndGrayMorality.
** The fifth installment, [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]], takes place in the middle of a civil war: the Empire, after losing a war against the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]], was forced to outlaw the worship of Talos and are generally viewed as cowards who oppress the citizens of Skyrim instead of resisting the Dominion's rule. They however believe it was a war they couldn't win, and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo was necessary]] to save Skyrim and the rest of the empire and buy time to prepare for future war with the Dominion. The Empire also use a lot of flimsy excuses for their imperialism from "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim!" to [[CulturalPosturing "The Empire is the one guiding light in Tamriel and without it the other races will fall into barbarism and anarchy, including the Nords! No, wait, ESPECIALLY the Nords!"]]; they also engage in some activities that would be considered war crimes to a modern audience. The Stormcloak Rebellion wants an independent kingdom and freedom of religion, but they don't consider the possibility they might have to work with the Empire to defeat the Dominion, and are also ultranationalists who dangerously border outright racism [[FantasticRacism and confine the Argonians, Khajiit, and Dark Elves to slums]]. In the defense of that last point, the Argonians and Dunmer are ancestral enemies (indeed, the former recently conquered the homeland of the latter, and the latter was enslaving the former for generations), so their desire to keep the Argonians and Dunmer apart may be in the interests of preventing a race war in their capital.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', the Tenpenny Tower quest has this. On one hand, you have the residents of Tenpenny Tower, who are (mostly) a bunch of arrogant bigots... but, they have a ''point'' that ghouls are generally dangerous and unpredictable, and this band in particular are hardened raiders from the Wasteland; how do they know it'd be safe to let them in? On the other hand, you have Roy Phillips and his ghouls, ruthless raiders who do have a point that they are being held at bay from living in a safe, comfortable environment purely because they're not exactly human anymore. Both sides are perfectly willing to bribe the player into slaughtering the other for them. [[spoiler: And if the player negotiates a truce, the ghouls promptly take advantage of having been allowed inside to murder all the humans for themselves, even those who support their entry.]]
** In the DLC "The Pitt", the two factions the Lone Wanderer encounters fit this trope. Wernher, leader of the slave rebellion, wants to steal the cure to the mutations that ravage The Pitt to use it as a bargaining chip for the slaves' freedom. Even when he finds out what that 'cure' is, he's still determined to exploit it, no matter what. Ashur, ruler of the Pitt, considers his Raider army and slave workforce necessary evils that gave The Pitt safety and industrial power; he hopes to use the drug to cure his constituents [[spoiler:(a cure taken from his own daughter, who was born immune to the radiation)]], allowing them to bear healthy children which would grow to eventually replace slave labor with a homegrown workforce. The player can side with either faction.
* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' has this, hard: The New California Republic is well-intentioned and filled with good people, but are ruthless expansionists, suffocated by bureaucracy and corruption, and would be spread way too thin to bring true safety to the Mojave Wasteland. Mr. House is genuine in his desire to rebuild lawful civilization and has the intelligence and resources to do so, but only cares about New Vegas and enforces his laws with an iron fist, ruthlessly executing anyone who opposes his rule. The Wild Card route allows the PlayerCharacter to take over New Vegas themselves, but this requires the murder of Mr. House and there is nothing to indicate that they can succeed where the other factions would fail. The only completely evil faction is The Legion.
** There's also the main struggle in the DLC "Honest Hearts" between New Canaanites[[note]]Mormons[[/note]] Daniel and Joshua Graham. Both are guardians of a relatively "innocent" tribe that is under attack by an old enemy of the New Canaanites. Daniel wants to withdraw the tribe to where their enemies cannot follow, out of guilt over the situation the New Canaanites have brought upon them. Graham wants to teach them to fight and destroy their enemies, both as a just thing to do and to assuage his own personal demons, of which there are many.
* And, of course, the tradition continues into ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}''. The Brotherhood of Steel has reverted back to their former conservatism, becoming arrogant, xenophobic, [[EnforcedTechnologyLevels tech-grabbing]] conquerors who are pushing their way into the Boston region and who are characterized by extreme FantasticRacism. However, they also dedicate themselves to wiping out real threats such as feral ghouls and mutants (as well as [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots synths]]) and actually have the military power to ensure security. The Minutemen are unambiguously good guys, but are notably inefficient, to the point of being virtually extinct at the game's start. Also, with the player character at the helm early on, ultimately the player's motivations dictate the course of the faction. The Institute are xenophobic manipulators who want to destroy all remnants of the "old world" and reshape the Commonwealth into what they want it to be -- but who prize innovation and scientific discovery, and want to create a world superior to the old one. Lastly, the Railroad seem to be good guys who oppose the slavery and oppression of Synths, who they believe are sentient beings, but they care very little for the Commonwealth as a whole and the methods they'll use and the lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goals are a little extreme... There's also the fact that [[spoiler:the only ending in the game which doesn't involve you betraying and killing your BigBad son is through siding with the Institute, and doing so will mean you'll have to wipe out the sympathetic, helpful Railroad who helped you find him.]]
** There's also the conflict between Honest Dan and Covenant. [[spoiler:Dan is a mercenary simply trying to rescue Amelia per his contract, but the Covenant citizens are survivors of synth assassins, who infiltrated their families and friends and killed them. As a result, they're attempting to develop a psychological exam to help spot synths, but are unfortunately torturing a lot of innocent people in the process too. Helping Dan requires the deaths of everyone in Covenant, however.]]
** The game also takes measures to humanise the previously AlwaysChaoticEvil Raiders through EnemyChatter and WhatMeasureIsAMook. Some are [[CardCarryingVillain psychos who enjoy their line of work]], and some are obviously strung out and tormented by what they have to do to survive. Shooting Raiders dead will sometimes cause their allies to cry out in anguish and horror.
** The Expansion Pack "Far Harbor" continues with the tradition: The synth refuge of Acadia is genuinely peaceful [[spoiler: but its leader [=DiMA=] has committed some terrible crimes to protect it and will need to commit more for a peaceful resolution to the conflict]]. The town of Far Harbor is wary of outsiders but that's mostly a product of their circumstances with them nearly being driven off the island by the fog. The local Church of the Children of the Atom is "very" antagonistic towards nonbelievers [[spoiler: and is planning to wipe the other two factions out]], but this is due to the influence of their (sincere) current leader. The majority of the cult is genuinely devout [[spoiler: and has nothing to do with the fogs' behavior.]]
* No character in ''VideoGame/MountAndBlade'' is entirely good, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance at least not by modern standards]]. Lords are generally overbearing and arrogant, scholars are constantly insulting anyone who isn't another scholar or arguing with other scholars, peasants possess very loose morals, professional soldiers and mercenaries [[BloodKnight tend to be the type to enjoy violence]], and even ''you'' will probably be some sort of pragmatic AntiHero, [[BeingGoodSucks if not by choice then by necessity]].
** Many of the multiplayer characters are, according to their backstories, either greedy sellswords or criminals.
** Throne claimants each have their own backstory about why they should be king/queen. The current monarchs will actually have ''their own'' sides to the story and their own reasons, so you're left to decide whose story is worth more. For example, Arwa the Pearled One of the Sarranid Sultanate claims that Sultan Hakim is an EvilUncle who illegally usurped the throne from her, but Sultan Hakim counters that she is a BitchInSheepsClothing and that he has a more legitimate claim due to his royal heritage (while Arwa is an adopted peasant girl). The only claimant/monarch conflict where one side is ''definitely'' more sympathetic than the other is Swadia, which pits the competent and reasonable [[ActionGirl Lady Isolla]] against the incompetent and tyrannical [[FatBastard King Harlaus]]; really, when you ask for Harlaus' reason for exiling Isolla and denying her claim, his argument basically amounts to "[[StayInTheKitchen she is a woman and therefore won't rule well]]".
* ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth'' has this in spades. None of the factions or leaders have been presented as entirely good or evil, but instead as various nations with their own traits, strengths, and weaknesses. Also true for the three Affinity choices: [[HalfHumanHybrid Harmony]], [[HumansAreSpecial Purity]] and [[{{Cyborg}} Supremacy]] all have their good and bad points, and are incredibly divisive to the point where even the ''developers themselves'' argue over them. Two of the hybrid choices in Rising Tide, [[ThreeLawsCompliant Supremacy-Purity]] and [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke Purity-Harmony]] also have their pros and cons, and there's even something to be said for [[TranshumanAliens Supremacy-Harmony]], though the other factions ''all'' [[EveryoneHasStandards think they're a bit nuts]].
* In ''{{VideoGame/Catherine}}'', as [[DiscussedTrope mentioned by Trisha]], the choice between Katherine (law) and Catherine (chaos) does ''not'' represent good and evil, as the two both have their merits and flaws. Catherine is [[{{Yandere}} physically abusive]] [[ClingyJealousGirl and pushy]], while Katherine is [[ControlFreak controlling]] [[FinancialAbuse and overbearing]], but they both genuinely love Vincent and want what's best for him. It depends on the player and their own sense of morality to choose what's best: Katherine, Catherine, or [[TakeAThirdOption neither]].
** Or Qatherine[=/=]Rin in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Full Body]]''... [[AvertedTrope who is kind and wholly supportive of Vincent]], [[spoiler:and also arguably represents the game's GoldenEnding; Vincent hooks up with Rin ([[GayOption revealed to be a crossdressing male alien]]) and the two live HappilyEverAfter travelling through space together, Katherine breaks up with Vincent on amicable terms and Catherine shuffles out of the story too.]] Rin is [[BaseBreakingCharacter contentious]] with some of the player base because it is argued introducing a consistently warm romance option with no flaws ruins the original game's interesting moral ambiguity.
* The conflict between the Humans and the Beta in ''VideoGame/GreyGoo2015'' comes down to scared survivors making bad decisions with bad intel. [[spoiler:As it turns out, the Grey Goo is just trying to become strong enough to protect humanity from the Silence. It fights the other factions because the Beta aren't human (and thus aren't protected by its core directives) and the humans use unmanned drones (that the goo doesn't realize come from the humans)]].
* The world of ''VideoGame/SenranKagura'' runs on this. The "Good" and "Evil" in a Shinobi's alignment are all but meaningless since both do all sorts of dirty wetwork. The only difference is that the former take orders from the government while the latter take corporate contracts (and as one of the manga shows, this sometimes ends up with both sides chasing the same target). Evil Shinobi can have [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes loved ones]] and [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]], and Good Shinobi can be [[KnightTemplar assholes]]. However, the strong tradition around Shinobi training mean both sides are trained to hate the other on principle, despite knowing how thin that line is. The first game is about a class of each learning about this and coming to terms with it. The second focuses on the reactions of a group of fanatics from both sides to some of their own being "corrupted".
* Almost everyone is this in ''VideoGame/WarOfOmens''. Even the current Campaign protagonist, Listrata, tends to be extremely harsh when quashing dissent.
* ''VideoGame/TheOuterWorlds'' features this trope very prominently, as many quests have no clear-cut best outcome: many times, your choices may well screw someone over while you try to help others. An example from early in the game has you on a quest to find a power regulator for your ship so it can fly again. The leader of the town of Edgewater points you towards a camp of Deserters, who has a power regulator in their botanical lab, and instructs you to redirect power from the geothermal plant away from their lab and to Edgewater so you can safely extract it. The Deserter camp, however, is a thriving community of those who turned their backs on Spacer's Choice, the MegaCorp that owns Edgewater and regularly works their employees to death. The Deserter camp's leader proposes directing power towards their lab instead and take the power converter in Edgewater. The leader of Edgewater is a company loyalist, but appears to have genuine concern for his workers; while the leader of the Deserters stands firmly against Spacer's Choice and everything they stand for [[spoiler:and may choose to leave any refugees from the city to the mercy of marauders and local fauna]]. Whoever you direct power away from will end up in dire straits: directing power away from Edgewater will leave a lot of innocent employees out of work, but directing power away from the Deserter camp will leave them at the mercy of Marauders and hostile wildlife. While you benefit from either outcome, you're gonna have to piss off a lot of people to help their opposition.
* ''Videogame/{{Ingress}}'': The Enlightened want to infuse humanity with the Exotic Matter coming out of mysterious portals, as they have good reason to believe it's what gave humans creativity and ideas themselves, and direct exposure would uplift them to their full potential while cutting them off completely would lead to the end of creativity itself. The Resistance believes this is a lie, that it's truly the beachhead for an alien invasion, and that the Exotic Matter allows them to take over minds, or even breach this dimension to invade it, so it must be shut off and destroyed. Both sides believe they're doing what is the right thing to do, both resort to underhanded tactics when they must, and both have good arguments and proof that their view is correct. But never enough to truly decide who is actually ''right'' in this conflict.
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChroniclesX'' takes a very "choices and consequences" approach to morality in its many, many sidequest dialog options, and the road to hell is truly paved with good intentions - sometimes being a dick is the only way to minimize the body count, and the people involved may or may not sympathize with this after the fact. This comes to a head late in the plot when [[spoiler:Elma points a gun at a traitor and Rook, unbidden by the player, will join Lin in [[GoThroughMe standing between them]] because they find said traitor's story sympathetic. The thing is, the ''player'' might very well be on Elma's side, and a very strong case can be made that it's irresponsible of everyone involved not to put a bullet in the traitor on the spot when you weigh one tragic story against humanity's survival. And to cap it off, what at the time is an ambiguous situation or message about humanity [[BrokenAesop proves Elma completely right]] when the traitor's actions later compromise or destroy the subject of humanity's entire efforts thus far.]]
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'': Mor Ardain is aggressively expansionist and has a few corrupt officials running around, [[spoiler:but they're only expanding to find a new homeland as their Titan is dying and the king who runs the whole thing is a good man]]. Uraya seems to be better than Mor Ardain, but they seem unusually reluctant to cool tensions between the two nations [[spoiler:even after negotiations in Indol]], and the nation as a whole suffers from severe social stratification between the haves and have-nots. The people of Tantal are starving to death and their rulers (who are descendants of Addam) [[spoiler:actually aren't even descendants of Addam, but they have to pay off debts to Indol and keep Ophion in check so no one can repeat what Amalthus did and grab an Aegis]]. Torna runs the gamut from OmnicidalManiac ([[spoiler:Malos]]) to WellIntentionedExtremist ([[spoiler:Jin]]), and the good intentions of the heroes [[spoiler:are massively offset by the fact that they're purely on their journey because Pyra and Mythra [[DeathSeeker want to die]].]] The only truly good or bad groups are the heroes as the former, [[spoiler:and Amalthus and Malos as the latter, and the latter villain's case is purely because of the former.]]
--->'''Vandham:''' "Everyone's fighting their own war."
* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' is a subverted example. The war between Keves and Agnus is Grey on gray, and is pointed out as such by the protagonists. However, the true conflict of the game is between the Ouroboros and [[spoiler:Moebius, and minus a TokenGoodTeammate on their part]] is decidedly BlackAndWhiteMorality.
* In regards to the [[WeAreStrugglingTogether conflict between the five main factions]] of ''VideoGame/{{Battleborn}}'', each faction is nuanced in general.
** The UPR are altruistic soldiers dedicated to rescuing and protecting refugees fleeing from the Varelsi threat. However, beneath this otherwise good face, the faction has a dark side, one which is steeped in bureaucracy, draconian law enforcement, and even forbidden genetic experimentation and clone soldier production. This has led them to doing some hard and questionable decisions such as a forceful attempt to set a base on Ekkunar in the past until they were driven off by the Eldrid. Furthermore, where the other factions can be characterized by their position on how to save Solus, the UPR's focus is squarely on the preservation of life, no matter the cost even if the star is lost.
** The Eldrid are firm believers of being in harmony with natural laws of the universe. They prefer to simply observe, preserve, and catalog all that they can find and be one with nature rather than impose upon it. Although that may be the case, their beliefs at its core are more the reverence of the natural order of the cosmos itself and less of life. They believe that the universe should be left alone to run its course even if it means natural death and entropy. As such, they greatly oppose anything that would disrupt the natural order of the universe even going so far in some cases as to attack or sabotage the efforts of certain other factions regardless of whatever these factions' motives may be.
** The LLC are an aristocratic merchant class focused solely on making a profit even at end of the universe. They sell weapons and such to the other factions regardless of the cost as long as they get paid. On top of that, even the kindest of the LLC members have an air of aristocracy, entitlement, and affluence that cannot completely be shed; whether that means a daily assumption that someone is there to clean your dress or firmware-held beliefs that all beings of lesser classes must be eliminated to raise the value of the remaining universe. While they certainly wish to preserve the universe, if it were to come to a sudden and dramatic end, the LLC would be the group selling tickets to the live stream to watch the last battle.
** The Rogues are the truest form of outcasts, rejects, and wanderers from every civilization and walk of life. They are vagabonds, pirates, raiders, mercenaries, hermits –- beings who value personal freedom over anything else. For some Rogues, that freedom means a life of freeing possessions from other people. For other Rogues, it just means living in isolation, free from the rules, restrictions, and conflict of the rest of the universe. While not every Rogue is a criminal, certainly there are a few who just want to be left alone, but most Rogues value freedom and pleasure, sometimes in that order. The Rogues are wild, weird, and individualistic however despite their differences, the Rogues share one thing in common: They do want to survive. They have all spent their lives trying to avoid capture or destruction, and now that their home, the Last Star, is threatened, many of them will put their criminal empires on hold in order to turn their attentions to the real enemies – Rendain and the Varelsi.
** The Jennerit are the bad guys among the five factions. They're pragmatic and ruthless, more than willing to manipulate and control anything and everything to accomplish their goals and achieve what they view as perfect. They even go so far as to bend the natural laws of the universe in order to gain things such as immortal life. What they can't control or fix to fit their concepts of perfection, they destroy. The Jennerit are in essence everything associated with a stereotypical evil empire. Despite this, however, they are not necessarily "the bad guys". Although they fit the bill, not all of them are evil. It's just that they're not nice and have rather "flexible ethics". The Jennerit did ally with the other factions against the Varelsi as the strongest military force before Rendain betrayed everyone and decided to have the Jennerit switch sides. Even then though, the Jennerit are split within Rendain's Imperium between those who follow him and those who rebel against him. In fact, Rendain himself is not exactly evil as he's ultimately driven by a desire to save something of the universe from what he perceives as inevitable even if it means screwing everyone else.
** Also a DeconstructedTrope since the quirks and traits of all of these factions are what forced people like [[OnlySaneMan Trevor Ghalt]] and the [[TitleDrop titular]] [[RagTagBunchOfMisfits Battleborn]] on trying to stem the tide of Valresi rather than entering in [[WeAreStrugglingTogether pointless war against each other]] out of both resources and bitterness.
* Both sides of the human-monster war in ''VideoGame/{{Evolve}}''.
** The humans are... well, humans. They've had hundreds of years of wars, charities, and everything in between, while individuals run the gamut from paragons of virtue to vicious sociopaths, but they band together to prevent the slaughter of their race.
** The monsters, while being exactly what they sound like, are still on equal moral footing with the humans. They massacre humans and raze worlds because [[spoiler: that's what the humans have been doing to ''them'', albeit unintentionally, for hundreds of years]]. Trying to judge them at an individual level falls flat because of the vast differences between [[StarfishAliens their own nature]] and humans, let alone [[spoiler: the differences between them and [[EnergyBeings anything that naturally has a physical form]]]].
* In ''VideoGame/{{Foxhole}}'', despite resembling the Allies and Axis of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the Wardens and the Colonials are both morally grey and neither is the "hero" or "villain" of the story. If anything, the Wardens are the current aggressors in a war to retake territory from a previous conflict.
* ''VideoGame/{{NieR}}'' has this. The protagonist, Nier, and the antagonist, the Shadowlord, are [[spoiler:two incarnations of the same man]] who both have sympathetic yet mutually exclusive goals -- Nier wants to save his daughter from the Shadowlord, who wants to [[spoiler:sacrifice Nier's daughter so he can save his own]]. Both are also willing to commit morally questionable acts to achieve their objectives.
* ''VideoGame/MarkOfTheNinja''. Your opponent, Hessian Services, starts out attacking the Hisomu clan, leading them to send you to take out their leader, Count Karajan, in retaliation. Karajan's EstablishingCharacterMoment shows that he's not a particularly good person, showing little concern for the survival of his guards. [[spoiler: And then you find out the whole thing was a FalseFlagOperation; Hessian only attacked the Hisomu because they stole from them, and then the leader of the Hisomu used that as an excuse to send the protagonist - empowered with special [[PowerTattoo tattoos]] that would give him superhuman abilities but eventually drive him insane and force him to [[DrivenToSuicide commit seppuku]] before he lost his mind completely - to assassinate Karajan so the clan could finish swiping their technology to use for themselves. And ''then'' you find out that, as dickish a move as that was, the leader of the clan believed it was the only way for the clan to survive in the modern era, as the plant they used to create the ink for the tattoos has since gone extinct, robbing them of their secret weapon. It doesn't help that by the time these revelations come about, the protagonist is well on his way to going insane, impairing his judgement on how to deal with it.]]
* ''VisualNovel/IkemenSengoku'': Nobunaga Oda and his warlord allies are willing to kill countless people but do it to fulfill their larger ambition to unite Japan and bring lasting peace to the country, and they also believe in modernizing Japan and eliminating class-based discrimination. Shingen Takeda, Kenshin Uesugi, and their followers all want to kill Nobunaga, but their reasons for wanting to do so are quite understandable (most of them lost many loved ones because of Nobunaga) and they [[EnemyMine join forces]] with Nobunaga's allies on multiple game routes after a third party resorts to dishonorable tactics in combat that neither of them approves of. Kennyo is the one character who comes the closest to being "black", often serving as the role of the aforementioned third party that unites the Oda and Takeda-Uesugi forces against him, but even he gets SympathyForTheDevil moments as a once-kind monk who hates Nobunaga for killing his monk friends.
* The Deadfire Archipelago in ''VideoGame/PillarsOfEternityIIDeadfire'' is a mess of morally grey factions, pretty much all of whom have high ideals but ask for DirtyBusiness before they trust the player.
** The Huana are the indigenous people of the Deadfire Archipelago, and a vibrant culture capable of creating things of great beauty. However, Huana culture is strictly caste-based and does not respect private property. Instead, resources are owned by the tribe as a whole and distributed by the ''ranga'' (chief) according to need. While this works well enough in the small tribal societies the Huana have traditionally lived in, the rapid urbanization brought on by increased trade have made the situation untenable for many low-caste Huana. To add to that, chiefs tend to respond angrily and violently to any attempts to offer their subjects charity, as this is a smear on their ability to distribute resources, and implies not-so-subtly that they aren't doing their job.
*** Queen Onekaza II of the Huana is trying to keep the peace in the Deadfire while maintaining her people's traditions. Onekaza is a cautious reformer, but still happy to engage in DirtyBusiness for her people and to maintain her grip on power.
** The Vailian Trading Company is a profit-driven MegaCorp known for always fulfilling its contracts and will generally refrain from any too blatant abuses in favor of honest trading. However, they will enforce contracts that require them to deliver medicine to remote communities at a loss and contracts that require natives to cede their ancestral lands for a pittance with the exact same fervor and have no problems with dealing in narcotics, slaves, weapons, illegal magical artifacts and a number of other less-than-savory goods.
*** Director Castol of the Valian Trading Company believes that luminous adra and animancy will change the world, but also tolerates slavery, although there's some room to change the latter.
** The Royal Deadfire Company is for all intents and purposes a branch of the Ruautaian navy, intent on bringing the Deadfire Archipelago to heel through a combination of cultural imperialism and military force. The Ruautai gleefully engage in every dirty trick and filthy practice engaged in by real-world imperialists, and their end goal would likely mean the end of Huana culture. However, the Ruautai are not primarily out for wealth or power, but food. The Ruautai homeland is facing a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe Malthusian catastrophe]], and without a massive increase in food supply, starvation will soon follow. Meanwhile, the Huana live in small coastal settlements on massively fertile islands mostly covered in jungle. Trade is not an option either, since Ruautai basically only produces copper, saltpeter, and warriors, none of which the Huana are buying, and the Huana are mostly hunter-gatherers or subsistence farmers with little food to sell. Also, there is precious little to suggest the majority of the Huana would be worse off as Ruautai, and at least some things suggest it would be an improvement for many.
** The Principi Sen Patrina (Lords Without A Nation) are TheRemnant of the Old Vailian Empire, and a band of cutthroat pirates, but there are ideals of freedom and independence.
*** Among the Principi, Captain Furrante represents the Old Guard, and still considers himself to be a Vailian noble aspiring to retake his homeland. He is charming, clever, and believes in a certain ''noblesse obligé'' which also means he holds himself to a, in some ways, very high standard of honor. At the same time, he is intensely classist and willing to skirt the edges of his code in many ways if it brings him closer to his end goal.
*** Furrante's main rival, Aeldys, represents the New Blood among the Principi. She has no connection of any kind to Valia and is very blatantly in it only for the money. She is rough, mean, callous, bloodthirsty, and pretty much everything Furrante is not. However, she is very straightforward, hates and actively hunts slavers, and is one of the few characters in the game who is always completely honest.
* In ''VideoGame/TheSpectrumRetreat'', pretty much everyone involved (with possible exception of Crow, whose motivations are unknown) only does questionable things because they have no other choice, and none are truly evil. In truth, the darkest shade of gray might belong to [[spoiler:you, the man who killed out of grief.]]
* ''VideoGame/{{Technobabylon}}'' revels in this. While the protagonists are a shade lighter than most of the other characters, they're still pressured or even forced into committing morally dubious acts, while there are plenty of other characters with good intentions that [[WellIntentionedExtremist go to horrific lengths to achieve their goals.]] Even the single most morally black character in the game only exists to [[spoiler: tempt the player into framing him for murder in a ToBeLawfulOrGood choice.]]
* While all of the three main factions in the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' have their unpleasant aspects, none of them are outright evil, while protagonist Garret is, with a few exceptions, mostly amoral only interested in his own survival. The series is also notable for having a BigBad in each game that represents the extremes of the three factions. ''The Dark Project'' had the Trickster, a Pagan god who takes the Pagan's shunning of technology and embrace of nature to its extreme as he plans to destroy the entire City so that nature can reclaim it. ''The Metal Age'' has Karras, leader of a splinter faction of the Hammerites called the Mechanists, who take their religious devotion to craftsmanship and technology and turn it into a fanatical worship of machines, with Karras planning to kill all organic life in the city and create a new world for his creations. ''Deadly Shadows'' has The Hag, a SerialKiller and member of the Keepers who exploits the ancient secret knowledge the Keepers have at their disposal in a bid for eternal life.
* ''{{VideoGame/Moonrise}}'': There is no singular villain in this sapphic werewolf interactive novel. The player must choose between two factions: the Masquerade and the Rogues. The Masquerade protects its members by maintaining {{Masquerade}} and keeping humans in the dark. However, they'll go to extreme, murderous lengths to achieve their goal. The Rogues, meanwhile, fight for TheUnmasquedWorld, consequences be damned.
* ''VideoGame/TheNewOrderLastDaysOfEurope'': Central Siberia is GreyAndGrayMorality to Western Russia and Southern Urals's BlackAndGrayMorality and Eastern Siberia's MoralityKitchenSink. None of the major unifiers are particularly vile or tyrannical and have good intentions for Russia and their subjects as a whole, and while bad people can potentially come to power in these states, they don't match other unifiers in sheer brutality. Which one is best comes down to personal sympathies for ideology: you have [[ScienceVille Tomsk's]] idealistic DisasterDemocracy and intelligentsia presidents, [[TheGoodKingdom Kemerovo's]] [[DaysOfFuturePast unique fusion]] of Slavic traditionalism and Soviet progressivism, the [[DarkIsNotEvil Siberian Black Army]] and their uncompromising desire for personal freedom, and the [[FightingForAHomeland People's Revolutionary Council]], a Soviet-Mongolian successor state to the Union. Even [[TheFederation Novosibirsk's]] [[SellOut cynical and apolitical]] [[MegaCorp corporate megastate]] at least offers Russia some stable governance. You also have [[WorkingClassHero Kostin's]] [[ChummyCommies Siberian Worker's Federation]] de-unifier, more sympathetic than the other de-unifer failstates.
* ''VideoGame/TwistedWonderland'': Almost none of the cast so far has been introduced as particularly good or bad. At least one major character from each of the seven dorms of Night Raven College has dirtied their hands for the sake of a goal or done something that could be seen as morally dubious, but their actions do not reflect the dorm or said character as a whole. In addition, many nominally 'good' characters (particularly Grim and Ace) are just as flawed and often have self-serving reasons for stopping the ArcVillain of the moment ([[CharacterDevelopment at least in the early main story]]).
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* ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'': First there is the Damned 33rd, who can only maintain order in a crumbled society through draconian martial law; then there is the Exiled 33rd, rebelling against a leadership they view to be suicidal and insane; the Emirati insurgency, defending their people against what they see as murderous invaders; the CIA, who on Riggs' side attempt to prevent a larger war from breaking out at the cost of killing many innocent lives in the city, and on Gould's side prioritize rescuing the populace; and of course the player's faction, Delta Squad, who are only trying to "save the day". [[spoiler: Unfortunately, the conflicting interests of all these groups will result in almost everyone getting killed, in no small part due to your own actions.]]
* Welcome to ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'', who would you like to side with? The [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney ultra-capitalist]], [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections power-brokering]] '''[[TheIlluminati Illuminati]]'''? The [[KnightTemplar militant]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist overzealous]] '''[[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Templars]]'''? Or perhaps the [[BlueAndOrangeMorality chaos-theory-chasing, 'interpretive terrorist']] '''[[TheChessmaster Dragon]]'''? And then there's the [=NPC=] factions, which are arguably better and/or worse, to varying degrees.
* Welcome to ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'', who would you like to side with? The [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney ultra-capitalist]], [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections power-brokering]] '''[[TheIlluminati Illuminati]]'''? The [[KnightTemplar militant]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist overzealous]] '''[[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Templars]]'''? Or perhaps the [[BlueAndOrangeMorality chaos-theory-chasing, 'interpretive terrorist']] '''[[TheChessmaster Dragon]]'''? And then there's the [=NPC=] factions, which are arguably better and/or worse, to varying degrees.
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* ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'': First there is ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' series:
** ''VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar'' features a war between [[{{Eagleland}} Osea]] and [[FakeRussian Yuktobania]]… until it becomes known that theDamned 33rd, Belkans had been infiltrating high-ranking positions on both sides, essentially setting up a war of mutual destruction as vengeance for losing a previous war. By the end, both superpowers team up and collectively beat the tar out of the interlopers.
** For ''VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar'', while the Belkans do not seem to have overt good going for them, Cipher can slide along the scale of greyness depending on how many crippled or civilian targets he goes after. [[spoiler:A World With No Boundaries]] are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] whocan seek to bring about a OneWorldOrder and eliminate the political boundaries that lead to fighting... It's a pity they have to use a nuke to do so.
* ''VideoGame/ArTonelicoIIMelodyOfMetafalica'' is a great example. Despite the fact that almost every character holds the same moral stance from beginning to end, pretty much every antagonist in the game will be considered a valuable ally at some point and nearly every ally gets a respectable stint as an antagonist. Even TheHero is arguably a WellIntentionedExtremist, and the closest character to true evil is a foreigner trying to save his homeland.
* The three player factions (Humans, Mutants, and Biomeks) of ''VideoGame/AutoAssault'' were set up to be like this, but when you really look into it the Humans turn out to be the biggest bastards of the bunch, even if they were originally doing it to ensure their survival.
* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'':
** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who turns out to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, after taking down all of Sumeragi's elite Adepts, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov reveals himself to be a genocidal madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this ends up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also tells us that not onlymaintain order in a crumbled Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers and Sumeragi allows Adepts to integrate into society through draconian martial law; then there is the Exiled 33rd, rebelling against a leadership as long as they view to be suicidal and insane; don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the Emirati insurgency, defending their people against what extremist measures they see as murderous invaders; the CIA, who on Riggs' side attempt put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent a larger war unbridled usage of Septimal powers from breaking completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on Eden's Adept supremacists, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aforementioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning outat to be the cost of killing many innocent lives in the city, and on Gould's side prioritize rescuing the populace; and of course the player's faction, Delta Squad, who are original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to "save kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the day". [[spoiler: Unfortunately, Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the conflicting interests group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of all these groups will result in almost everyone getting killed, in no small part due to your own actions.destruction one of them could create.]]
* Welcome ** In the Third Game, the conflict in the second half between the two factions of Kirin/Gunvolt and Zed boils down to ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'', this. [[spoiler: On one hand, Zed and his group did launch an invasion without warning and devastated key areas of Japan. However, on the other hand, Sumeragi did hide the fact that they were holding [[FinalBoss Mobius]] underground in a facility no one knew about. And Mobius was a being capable of writing reality on a whim. And is obviously too dangerous to be left alone. As one wrong move from [[GooGooGodLike Mobius]] could spell the EndOfTheWorld.]] So naturally, caution is warranted. Also apart from Zed, the FinalBoss of Gunvolt 1 [[MindOverMatter Nova]] returns as an OptionalBoss. During the conversation in the battle, Gunvolt does admit that he regrets not trying harder to negotiate and find a middle ground. Given how every time he defeats a BigBad, a newer and more dangerous one shows up to take it's place, it's understandable.
* ''VideoGame/BattleForWesnoth'' has this in the campaign Descent into Darkness. You control a young mage apprentice whowould takes up dark magic (read: animating corpses) to defend his town and is exiled. His sister, the town guard, holy knights who show up for no reason but to piss you like to side with? The [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney ultra-capitalist]], [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections power-brokering]] '''[[TheIlluminati Illuminati]]'''? The [[KnightTemplar militant]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist overzealous]] '''[[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Templars]]'''? Or perhaps off in the [[BlueAndOrangeMorality chaos-theory-chasing, 'interpretive terrorist']] '''[[TheChessmaster Dragon]]'''? And then there's hardest mission of the [=NPC=] factions, which are arguably better and/or worse, campaign all wish to varying degrees.have him killed. He takes revenge on them. In the end, it's mostly black versus black or black versus grey (with you playing the part of a very borderline black) but until they drop an anvil on you and have you fight endlessly repeating (and rather easy) battles against random commanders, you never genuinely know who to root for.
** ''VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar'' features a war between [[{{Eagleland}} Osea]] and [[FakeRussian Yuktobania]]… until it becomes known that the
** For ''VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar'', while the Belkans do not seem to have overt good going for them, Cipher can slide along the scale of greyness depending on how many crippled or civilian targets he goes after. [[spoiler:A World With No Boundaries]] are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] who
* ''VideoGame/ArTonelicoIIMelodyOfMetafalica'' is a great example. Despite the fact that almost every character holds the same moral stance from beginning to end, pretty much every antagonist in the game will be considered a valuable ally at some point and nearly every ally gets a respectable stint as an antagonist. Even TheHero is arguably a WellIntentionedExtremist, and the closest character to true evil is a foreigner trying to save his homeland.
* The three player factions (Humans, Mutants, and Biomeks) of ''VideoGame/AutoAssault'' were set up to be like this, but when you really look into it the Humans turn out to be the biggest bastards of the bunch, even if they were originally doing it to ensure their survival.
* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'':
** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who turns out to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, after taking down all of Sumeragi's elite Adepts, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov reveals himself to be a genocidal madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this ends up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also tells us that not only
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aforementioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out
* ''VideoGame/BattleForWesnoth'' has this in the campaign Descent into Darkness. You control a young mage apprentice who
* ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' started off with GDI as heroic good guys fighting against the evil [[{{Cult}} Nod]]. However, later games revealed that Nod actually has reasons for fighting, and a number of the higher-ups in GDI are rather dodgy.
** There's a major WhatTheHellPlayer moment in C&C 3. If you're playing as GDI (the ''"good"'' guys), on the last mission you can choose to use a bomb that will kill hundreds of millions and destroy all of Europe. For this, the rational General who seemed like a pretty stand-up guy resigns in disgust, and the slimy politician (whose incompetence was [[AllAccordingToPlan all part of Kane's Plan]]) ''promotes you''.
* In the first ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', while the BigBad CorruptCorporateExecutive with AGodAmI complex Bob Page is definitely evil, the ending has you choose to follow the advice of one of three opposing factions, each insisting that [[WellIntentionedExtremist their plan is for the best]] and that the other plans have major drawbacks. And they're all, to an extent, right.
** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar'', while certain factions may come across as more or less positive, all have philosophies it's possible to sympathize with, while also being somewhat morally dubious. In the end, you must pick between them, with no defined "good" or "bad" choice. You can also follow your own path and kill everybody, which backfires horribly (duh).
** The prequel ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' continues the tradition by asking you to side with one of three competing viewpoints regarding human augmentation and subsequently nudge the public interest in that direction... But you also get a fourth choice where you can refuse all of them and leave the world to decide its own fate (of course being a prequel to the first Deus Ex, the results are pretty much foregone no matter what you decide).
* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
** Many characters and factions in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' have morally ambiguous goals and/or means, to the point that the only unambiguously evil faction in the game is the Darkspawn army:
*** The conflict that created the war between the Dalish and the werewolves. The werewolves were cursed by [[spoiler: Zathrian]] when their ancestors [[spoiler: killed his son and raped his daughter, [[DrivenToSuicide driving her to kill herself]]]]. Since they're suffering for a mistake they haven't made themselves, it's understandable they want to avenge themselves and end their curse. Their leader, the Lady of the Forest, is in favour of a peaceful resolution, but she doesn't seem to care about the fate of the elves, and she lies to you so you side with her and [[spoiler: bring Zathrian to her so the werewolves can kill him if he doesn't break the curse]]. On the other hand, even though [[spoiler: Zathrian]] manipulates you as well, his motive was legitimate at the beginning, if [[DisproportionateRetribution disproportionate]], and he has another reason for not ending the curse: [[spoiler: he can live as long as the curse is in effect, and has been able to give the Dalish the hope that he rediscovered the lost immortality of their people]].
*** The dwarven SuccessionCrisis. The Dwarf origin stories give you some pretty clear reasons for supporting each. Commoners would want to support Bhelen because he fights to end the oppressive caste system and wants to open the country more to the outside. Nobles would want to support Harrowmont because it's their father's wishes and he's more "Traditional". You also have a personal reason for doing so, Harrowmont is a ''very'' nice guy and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, as he fights ''hard'' to make sure the dwarf noble is given a fair trial. Bhelen meanwhile fights hard to get to the throne...to near sociopathic levels, as he's [[spoiler:rightfully]] suspected of killing his older brother and getting his other sibling blamed for it. [[note]]The noble even has a chance to call him out on this, during which he has almost ''no remorse'' for it unless you compliment him and say he was better at playing the game[[/note]] To a Commoner, Harrowmount is a classist asshole to you while Bhelen is not only polite and respectful, he's your sister's loving fiance (and later husband). Oh, and to keep things up, Bhelen, if chosen, becomes a [[spoiler:dictator who leads his city into a new era of prosperity]]. Harrowmont meanwhile [[spoiler:dies partly due to the stress of ruling and causes Orzammar to fall into decay while expanding its isolationist practices]].
** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor. The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals altogether]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
*** The Chantry and their affiliated Templar Order are simply executing its position of keeping mages in check, given that mages in this game have completely unpredictable degrees of power and are walking demon magnets. They do so by setting up their Circle (barracks for their [[KnightTemplar Templar Order]] and a mage prison in all but name) in the former SLAVE PITS oh so quaintly named "The Gallows". The "alternative", in their opinion, is a fate like the Tevinter Imperium, which is ruled over by Magisters who thoroughly abuse their magic to stay in power.
*** The mages are rebelling against the overt cruelty of the Templars, seemingly worse in Kirkwall than anywhere else, up to and including making mages [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquil]] for such things as ''talking about someone ELSE'S escape attempt''. Of course, halfway through the game you learn about [[spoiler:a significant mage rebellion in the works which, while in response to this abuse, is shown to be willing to sacrifice - sometimes [[BloodMagic literally]] - any number of innocents to achieve its goal.]]
*** The Qunari follow the Qun, a set of ideals [[BlueAndOrangeMorality wholly separate from every other nation]]. They are as confused by the way the "bas" (their term for non-Qun-followers, literally "things") run around all willy-nilly without a "purpose" in life: that "purpose" being a singular role assigned at birth with literally no deviation until you die. Even so much as wanting to retire from the life of a soldier is considered equivalent to heresy and treason rolled into one. They won't hesitate to kill if they feel it appropriate, but will also show respect to [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy people with strong personal convictions]]. [[spoiler:Act 2 ends with the Qunari holed up in Kirkwall getting fed up with the "chaos" around them and trying to take over... and very nearly succeeding]].
** There's a major WhatTheHellPlayer moment in C&C 3. If you're playing as GDI (the ''"good"'' guys), on the last mission you can choose to use a bomb that will kill hundreds of millions and destroy all of Europe. For this, the rational General who seemed like a pretty stand-up guy resigns in disgust, and the slimy politician (whose incompetence was [[AllAccordingToPlan all part of Kane's Plan]]) ''promotes you''.
* In the first ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', while the BigBad CorruptCorporateExecutive with AGodAmI complex Bob Page is definitely evil, the ending has you choose to follow the advice of one of three opposing factions, each insisting that [[WellIntentionedExtremist their plan is for the best]] and that the other plans have major drawbacks. And they're all, to an extent, right.
** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar'', while certain factions may come across as more or less positive, all have philosophies it's possible to sympathize with, while also being somewhat morally dubious. In the end, you must pick between them, with no defined "good" or "bad" choice. You can also follow your own path and kill everybody, which backfires horribly (duh).
** The prequel ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' continues the tradition by asking you to side with one of three competing viewpoints regarding human augmentation and subsequently nudge the public interest in that direction... But you also get a fourth choice where you can refuse all of them and leave the world to decide its own fate (of course being a prequel to the first Deus Ex, the results are pretty much foregone no matter what you decide).
* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
** Many characters and factions in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' have morally ambiguous goals and/or means, to the point that the only unambiguously evil faction in the game is the Darkspawn army:
*** The conflict that created the war between the Dalish and the werewolves. The werewolves were cursed by [[spoiler: Zathrian]] when their ancestors [[spoiler: killed his son and raped his daughter, [[DrivenToSuicide driving her to kill herself]]]]. Since they're suffering for a mistake they haven't made themselves, it's understandable they want to avenge themselves and end their curse. Their leader, the Lady of the Forest, is in favour of a peaceful resolution, but she doesn't seem to care about the fate of the elves, and she lies to you so you side with her and [[spoiler: bring Zathrian to her so the werewolves can kill him if he doesn't break the curse]]. On the other hand, even though [[spoiler: Zathrian]] manipulates you as well, his motive was legitimate at the beginning, if [[DisproportionateRetribution disproportionate]], and he has another reason for not ending the curse: [[spoiler: he can live as long as the curse is in effect, and has been able to give the Dalish the hope that he rediscovered the lost immortality of their people]].
*** The dwarven SuccessionCrisis. The Dwarf origin stories give you some pretty clear reasons for supporting each. Commoners would want to support Bhelen because he fights to end the oppressive caste system and wants to open the country more to the outside. Nobles would want to support Harrowmont because it's their father's wishes and he's more "Traditional". You also have a personal reason for doing so, Harrowmont is a ''very'' nice guy and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, as he fights ''hard'' to make sure the dwarf noble is given a fair trial. Bhelen meanwhile fights hard to get to the throne...to near sociopathic levels, as he's [[spoiler:rightfully]] suspected of killing his older brother and getting his other sibling blamed for it. [[note]]The noble even has a chance to call him out on this, during which he has almost ''no remorse'' for it unless you compliment him and say he was better at playing the game[[/note]] To a Commoner, Harrowmount is a classist asshole to you while Bhelen is not only polite and respectful, he's your sister's loving fiance (and later husband). Oh, and to keep things up, Bhelen, if chosen, becomes a [[spoiler:dictator who leads his city into a new era of prosperity]]. Harrowmont meanwhile [[spoiler:dies partly due to the stress of ruling and causes Orzammar to fall into decay while expanding its isolationist practices]].
** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor. The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals altogether]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
*** The Chantry and their affiliated Templar Order are simply executing its position of keeping mages in check, given that mages in this game have completely unpredictable degrees of power and are walking demon magnets. They do so by setting up their Circle (barracks for their [[KnightTemplar Templar Order]] and a mage prison in all but name) in the former SLAVE PITS oh so quaintly named "The Gallows". The "alternative", in their opinion, is a fate like the Tevinter Imperium, which is ruled over by Magisters who thoroughly abuse their magic to stay in power.
*** The mages are rebelling against the overt cruelty of the Templars, seemingly worse in Kirkwall than anywhere else, up to and including making mages [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquil]] for such things as ''talking about someone ELSE'S escape attempt''. Of course, halfway through the game you learn about [[spoiler:a significant mage rebellion in the works which, while in response to this abuse, is shown to be willing to sacrifice - sometimes [[BloodMagic literally]] - any number of innocents to achieve its goal.]]
*** The Qunari follow the Qun, a set of ideals [[BlueAndOrangeMorality wholly separate from every other nation]]. They are as confused by the way the "bas" (their term for non-Qun-followers, literally "things") run around all willy-nilly without a "purpose" in life: that "purpose" being a singular role assigned at birth with literally no deviation until you die. Even so much as wanting to retire from the life of a soldier is considered equivalent to heresy and treason rolled into one. They won't hesitate to kill if they feel it appropriate, but will also show respect to [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy people with strong personal convictions]]. [[spoiler:Act 2 ends with the Qunari holed up in Kirkwall getting fed up with the "chaos" around them and trying to take over... and very nearly succeeding]].
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* In the story of ''VideoGame/{{Warframe}}'', the Tenno first seem like the saviors of a system in terrible need of them, fighting against the corrupt Corpus and the imperious Grineer. Looking closer at their objectives, however, reveals that the factions all have their reasons for wanting to succeed. The Grineer want to control the system with the rules and boundaries that fell apart after the Orokin empire's fall, while the Corpus want to revive the fallen Orokin technology and bring mankind back into prominence. The Tenno even get a case of WhatTheHellHero when it's revealed that they are the ones who destroyed the Orokin empire in the first place and so caused the system to fall into its disrepair. Later updates, however, move things closer to BlackAndGreyMorality, revealing, among other things, [[spoiler:that the Grineer are actually being lead by two surviving Orokin, that the Corpus is essentially a merchant cult whose leaders tried to murder their founder for being too nice, that the Orokin were some of the worst AbusivePrecursors in all fiction, and that the Tenno wiped out the Orokin because of the innumerable number of atrocities the golden lords committed on both the Tenno and the innocents of the Origin System]]. Furthermore, Tenno's ArchEnemy, the Sentients, are about to return to the system, and the Tenno are the only ones trying to take proactive steps toward repelling the Sentients for the sake of the colonies in the Origin System, while everyone else is instead trying to exploit the return of the Sentients for their own benefit. The introduction of [[LaResistance Solaris United]] in the Fortuna update, though, ultimately laid the moral ambiguity of the Tenno to rest - the actions taken to help the Solaris, up to and including ''freeing them from debt slavery by paying off and annulling their debts'', cements the Tenno as being true heroes. While there is still plenty of room for grey between the various syndicates in the system (all of whom want to fix things but have clashing plans for doing so), the Tenno are firmly shown to be in the white.
* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'':
** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who turns out to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, after taking down all of Sumeragi's elite Adepts, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov reveals himself to be a genocidal madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this ends up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also tells us that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers and Sumeragi allows Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on Eden's Adept supremacists, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aforementioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
** In the Third Game, the conflict in the second half between the two factions of Kirin/Gunvolt and Zed boils down to this. [[spoiler: On one hand, Zed and his group did launch an invasion without warning and devastated key areas of Japan. However, on the other hand, Sumeragi did hide the fact that they were holding [[FinalBoss Mobius]] underground in a facility no one knew about. And Mobius was a being capable of writing reality on a whim. And is obviously too dangerous to be left alone. As one wrong move from [[GooGooGodLike Mobius]] could spell the EndOfTheWorld.]] So naturally, caution is warranted. Also apart from Zed, the FinalBoss of Gunvolt 1 [[MindOverMatter Nova]] returns as an OptionalBoss. During the conversation in the battle, Gunvolt does admit that he regrets not trying harder to negotiate and find a middle ground. Given how every time he defeats a BigBad, a newer and more dangerous one shows up to take it's place, it's understandable.
* ''VideoGame/{{STALKER}}'': The conflict between Freedom and Duty is this, combined with OrderVersusChaos. Duty are a faction of grizzled ex-military types who believe [[EldritchLocation The Zone]] is an abomination that threatens the world and should be destroyed. Freedom are a group of anarchists and thrill-seekers that believe The Zone is a miracle that provides beneficial eldritch artifacts and therefore should be freely accessed by the public. Neither is especially nicer than the other, and they both have their share of [[JerkAss dicks]] and [[NiceGuy nice guys]].
* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'':
** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who turns out to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, after taking down all of Sumeragi's elite Adepts, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov reveals himself to be a genocidal madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this ends up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also tells us that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers and Sumeragi allows Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on Eden's Adept supremacists, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aforementioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
** In the Third Game, the conflict in the second half between the two factions of Kirin/Gunvolt and Zed boils down to this. [[spoiler: On one hand, Zed and his group did launch an invasion without warning and devastated key areas of Japan. However, on the other hand, Sumeragi did hide the fact that they were holding [[FinalBoss Mobius]] underground in a facility no one knew about. And Mobius was a being capable of writing reality on a whim. And is obviously too dangerous to be left alone. As one wrong move from [[GooGooGodLike Mobius]] could spell the EndOfTheWorld.]] So naturally, caution is warranted. Also apart from Zed, the FinalBoss of Gunvolt 1 [[MindOverMatter Nova]] returns as an OptionalBoss. During the conversation in the battle, Gunvolt does admit that he regrets not trying harder to negotiate and find a middle ground. Given how every time he defeats a BigBad, a newer and more dangerous one shows up to take it's place, it's understandable.
* ''VideoGame/{{STALKER}}'': The conflict between Freedom and Duty is this, combined with OrderVersusChaos. Duty are a faction of grizzled ex-military types who believe [[EldritchLocation The Zone]] is an abomination that threatens the world and should be destroyed. Freedom are a group of anarchists and thrill-seekers that believe The Zone is a miracle that provides beneficial eldritch artifacts and therefore should be freely accessed by the public. Neither is especially nicer than the other, and they both have their share of [[JerkAss dicks]] and [[NiceGuy nice guys]].
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* In the story of ''VideoGame/{{Warframe}}'', the Tenno first seem like the saviors of a system in terrible need of them, fighting against the corrupt Corpus and the imperious Grineer. Looking closer at their objectives, however, reveals that the factions all have their reasons for wanting to succeed. The Grineer want to control the system ''VideoGame/{{Fable}}'' series plays with the rules and boundaries that fell apart after the Orokin empire's fall, while the Corpus want to revive the fallen Orokin technology and bring mankind back into prominence. The Tenno even get a case of WhatTheHellHero when it's revealed that they are the ones who destroyed the Orokin empire in the first place and so caused the system to fall into its disrepair. Later updates, however, move things closer to BlackAndGreyMorality, revealing, among other things, [[spoiler:that the Grineer are actually being lead by two surviving Orokin, that the Corpus is essentially a merchant cult whose leaders tried to murder their founder for being too nice, that the Orokin were some of the worst AbusivePrecursors in all fiction, and that the Tenno wiped out the Orokin because of the innumerable number of atrocities the golden lords committed on both the Tenno and the innocents of the Origin System]]. Furthermore, Tenno's ArchEnemy, the Sentients, are about to return to the system, and the Tenno are the only ones trying to take proactive steps toward repelling the Sentients for the sake of the colonies in the Origin System, while everyone else is instead trying to exploit the return of the Sentients for their own benefit. The introduction of [[LaResistance Solaris United]] in the Fortuna update, though, ultimately laid the moral ambiguity of the Tenno to rest - the actions taken to help the Solaris, up to and including ''freeing them from debt slavery by paying off and annulling their debts'', cements the Tenno as being true heroes. While there is still plenty of room for grey between the various syndicates in the system (all of whom want to fix things but have clashing plans for doing so), the Tenno are firmly shown to be in the white.
* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'':
** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to bethis at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who turns out to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, after taking down all of Sumeragi's elite Adepts, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov reveals himself to be a genocidal madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this ends up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also tells us that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers and Sumeragi allows Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on Eden's Adept supremacists, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aforementioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuseTrope, especially considering with the level character of destruction one of them could create.Theresa. Played straight with Logan in the third game who, like Revan, [[spoiler: became a vicious tyrant merely because he wanted to strengthen his country to fight The Crawler.]]
** In * ''VideoGame/{{Furi}}'': Aside from the Third Game, few unambiguously [[HeroAntagonist heroic characters]], such as [[KnightInShiningArmor The Hand]], who fights to [[PapaWolf protect his son]] and the conflict Free World, or [[AllLovingHero The Beat]], who aspires to be [[HopeBringer a guardian of hope]] and believes in the second half between best of others, a majority of the two factions characters aren't truly good or evil, making them ripe for different character interpretations. The Edge becomes one of Kirin/Gunvolt the Jailers not because he wants to SaveTheWorld, rather because he wants to find a WorthyOpponent, The Burst is an [[ArrogantKungFuGuy Arrogant]] BloodKnight, but she's [[FriendlySniper affable enough]] to respect The Stranger as a WorthyOpponent, and Zed boils down The Voice claims that The Song is [[BitchInSheepsClothing pretending to this. be benevolent]], but her peaceful offer to The Stranger [[SheepInSheepsClothing can be seen in a genuinely kind light]]. Some of the other Jailers may be AxCrazy, but they also have good reasons for imprisoning The Stranger, [[spoiler: On one hand, Zed and his group did launch who's actually [[ThoseWereOnlyTheirScouts an invasion without warning and devastated key areas of Japan. However, on alien scout]] that's checking if the other hand, Sumeragi did hide the fact that they were holding [[FinalBoss Mobius]] underground Free World is fit for assimilation; an AlienInvasion in essence. Even The Voice can be seen in a facility no one knew about. And Mobius was a being capable of writing reality on a whim. And is obviously too dangerous to be left alone. As one wrong move from [[GooGooGodLike Mobius]] could spell muddy light for [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom risking the EndOfTheWorld.]] So naturally, caution is warranted. Also apart from Zed, Free World's safety]] by freeing The Stranger so he can see his daughter again. Should The Stranger fulfills his purpose, doing so will doom the FinalBoss of Gunvolt 1 [[MindOverMatter Nova]] returns as an OptionalBoss. During the conversation in the battle, Gunvolt does admit that he regrets Free World and its populace. Whether The Stranger stays faithful to his purpose or not trying harder to negotiate and find a middle ground. Given how every time he defeats a BigBad, a newer and more dangerous one shows is up to take the player, but even if The Stranger chooses to defy it, the reasons for his defiance may or may not be entirely selfless. The only character who can be villainous is The Star for coming up with the EvilPlan of [[AssimilationPlot assimilating]] the Free World for the survival of The Stranger's species, but it's place, it's understandable.
ambiguous whether she's a genuine WellIntentionedExtremist or just a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative]] [[PlanetLooters Planet Looter]].]]
*''VideoGame/{{STALKER}}'': The conflict Depending on how you count, there have been between Freedom 7 and Duty 12 playable factions in the five ''VideoGame/{{Geneforge}}'' games. All except Rawal and the Barzites can make a decent argument for themselves, and all except arguably the Awakened have [[KickTheDog Kicked the Dog]] at least once.
* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' probably qualifies:
** The [[TheFederation UNSC]] isthis, combined fundamentally well-intentioned, but somewhat heavy-handed with OrderVersusChaos. Duty its colonies, and willing to resort to questionable methods for survival. [[spoiler: Up to and including the abduction, conditioning, and armament of the children of its own citizens, completely ''incognito'' of course.]]
** The [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized Insurrectionists]] had legitimate grievances with the authoritarian facets of the UNSC's administration of the colonies, but an extremist methodology, which includes ''nuking civilians'', puts them squarely in the terrorist camp.
** The [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Covenant's]] highly corrupt (and in some cases, possibly borderline insane) ruling class is conducting a war of extermination against humanity, but the rest of its members area faction of grizzled ex-military types either [[CorruptChurch misguided by religious fervor]], [[SlaveMooks expendable slaves for all intents and purposes]], otherwise coerced into serving the Covenant, or simply [[PunchClockVillain mercenaries with no real grudge against humans]]. Even the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Brutes]], who tend to be relatively [[BloodKnight aggressive and violent by nature]], have been portrayed sympathetically in a number of expanded universe works. Indeed, once the Covenant falls apart at the end of ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', a number of its former members go on to happily work with humans.
** The [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]] did mostly genuinely believe[[EldritchLocation The Zone]] is an abomination that threatens in the world and should be destroyed. Freedom are a group of anarchists and thrill-seekers that believe The Zone is a miracle that provides beneficial eldritch artifacts and therefore should be freely accessed by the public. Neither is especially nicer than the other, and they both have Mantle, their share of [[JerkAss dicks]] core ideology that revolved around protecting the galaxy and [[NiceGuy nice guys]].its inhabitants, but their technological superiority eventually turned them into arrogant, socially stagnant imperialists who kept their client species weak and subservient, and when [[TheVirus the Flood]] came knocking, they could ultimately only protect the galaxy by wiping out ''all'' unindexed life in the galaxy in a desperate last resort plan -- which could be interpreted as a HeroicSacrifice or the cost of their foolishness, depending on how idealistic/cynical one is.
** The [[ZombieApocalypse Flood]] has killed and infected trillions of people, but the [[EldritchAbomination Gravemind]] sincerely believes that he simply [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans brings peace and prosperity]] to a galaxy which simply doesn't understand the Flood due to ignorance and fear... [[spoiler:though ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' muddles this somewhat by directly noting that the Flood were created as a form of ''revenge'' against the Forerunners by their own Precursors]].
* In ''VideoGame/OdinSphere'', none of the principal protagonists are evil, but many of them staunchly oppose one another for various reasons, and all of their [[NiceJobBreakingItHero assorted actions]] lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.
* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'':
** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aforementioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse
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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' probably qualifies:
** The [[TheFederation UNSC]] is
** The [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized Insurrectionists]] had legitimate grievances with the authoritarian facets of the UNSC's administration of the colonies, but an extremist methodology, which includes ''nuking civilians'', puts them squarely in the terrorist camp.
** The [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Covenant's]] highly corrupt (and in some cases, possibly borderline insane) ruling class is conducting a war of extermination against humanity, but the rest of its members are
** The [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]] did mostly genuinely believe
** The [[ZombieApocalypse Flood]] has killed and infected trillions of people, but the [[EldritchAbomination Gravemind]] sincerely believes that he simply [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans brings peace and prosperity]] to a galaxy which simply doesn't understand the Flood due to ignorance and fear... [[spoiler:though ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' muddles this somewhat by directly noting that the Flood were created as a form of ''revenge'' against the Forerunners by their own Precursors]].
* In ''VideoGame/OdinSphere'', none of the principal protagonists are evil, but many of them staunchly oppose one another for various reasons, and all of their [[NiceJobBreakingItHero assorted actions]] lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.
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* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
** Many characters and factions in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' have morally ambiguous goals and/or means, to the point that the only unambiguously evil faction in the game is the Darkspawn army:
*** The conflict that created the war between the Dalish and the werewolves. The werewolves were cursed by [[spoiler: Zathrian]] when their ancestors [[spoiler: killed his son and raped his daughter, [[DrivenToSuicide driving her to kill herself]]]]. Since they're suffering for a mistake they haven't made themselves, it's understandable they want to avenge themselves and end their curse. Their leader, the Lady of the Forest, is in favour of a peaceful resolution, but she doesn't seem to care about the fate of the elves, and she lies to you so you side with her and [[spoiler: bring Zathrian to her so the werewolves can kill him if he doesn't break the curse]]. On the other hand, even though [[spoiler: Zathrian]] manipulates you as well, his motive was legitimate at the beginning, if [[DisproportionateRetribution disproportionate]], and he has another reason for not ending the curse: [[spoiler: he can live as long as the curse is in effect, and has been able to give the Dalish the hope that he rediscovered the lost immortality of their people]].
*** The dwarven SuccessionCrisis. The Dwarf origin stories give you some pretty clear reasons for supporting each. Commoners would want to support Bhelen because he fights to end the oppressive caste system and wants to open the country more to the outside. Nobles would want to support Harrowmont because it's their father's wishes and he's more "Traditional". You also have a personal reason for doing so, Harrowmont is a ''very'' nice guy and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, as he fights ''hard'' to make sure the dwarf noble is given a fair trial. Bhelen meanwhile fights hard to get to the throne...to near sociopathic levels, as he's [[spoiler:rightfully]] suspected of killing his older brother and getting his other sibling blamed for it. [[note]]The noble even has a chance to call him out on this, during which he has almost ''no remorse'' for it unless you compliment him and say he was better at playing the game[[/note]] To a Commoner, Harrowmount is a classist asshole to you while Bhelen is not only polite and respectful, he's your sister's loving fiance (and later husband). Oh, and to keep things up, Bhelen, if chosen, becomes a [[spoiler:dictator who leads his city into a new era of prosperity]]. Harrowmont meanwhile [[spoiler:dies partly due to the stress of ruling and causes Orzammar to fall into decay while expanding its isolationist practices]].
** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor. The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals altogether]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
*** The Chantry and their affiliated Templar Order are simply executing its position of keeping mages in check, given that mages in this game have completely unpredictable degrees of power and are walking demon magnets. They do so by setting up their Circle (barracks for their [[KnightTemplar Templar Order]] and a mage prison in all but name) in the former SLAVE PITS oh so quaintly named "The Gallows". The "alternative", in their opinion, is a fate like the Tevinter Imperium, which is ruled over by Magisters who thoroughly abuse their magic to stay in power.
*** The mages are rebelling against the overt cruelty of the Templars, seemingly worse in Kirkwall than anywhere else, up to and including making mages [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquil]] for such things as ''talking about someone ELSE'S escape attempt''. Of course, halfway through the game you learn about [[spoiler:a significant mage rebellion in the works which, while in response to this abuse, is shown to be willing to sacrifice - sometimes [[BloodMagic literally]] - any number of innocents to achieve its goal.]]
*** The Qunari follow the Qun, a set of ideals [[BlueAndOrangeMorality wholly separate from every other nation]]. They are as confused by the way the "bas" (their term for non-Qun-followers, literally "things") run around all willy-nilly without a "purpose" in life: that "purpose" being a singular role assigned at birth with literally no deviation until you die. Even so much as wanting to retire from the life of a soldier is considered equivalent to heresy and treason rolled into one. They won't hesitate to kill if they feel it appropriate, but will also show respect to [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy people with strong personal convictions]]. [[spoiler:Act 2 ends with the Qunari holed up in Kirkwall getting fed up with the "chaos" around them and trying to take over... and very nearly succeeding]].
* When it comes to player races, ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' is surprisingly nuanced in terms of morality. Not only do all of the races indulge in truly unpleasant spin-off factions that can be killed by both sides, but you'll also find yourself accidentally doing unpleasant things for your allies, who often turn out to be sadists, murderers, and major, MAJOR extremists who wipe out villages, torture prisoners and murder the innocent.
** With hindsight, you've probably helped to destroy a few small and insignificant outposts yourself in the name of preventing further expansion.
*** In one example in the Stonetalon Mountains, you join Krom'Gar's army and work your way up through his ranks. He then murders some innocents and drops a FantasticNuke on the land. He's executed, and you nearly get executed by Garrosh too for all the help you inadvertently gave him while questing eagerly for ranks. Whenever you realise that you've been helping a total psycho, it's something of an OhCrap moment.
** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves, and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
* In ''VideoGame/OdinSphere'', none of the principal protagonists are evil, but many of them staunchly oppose one another for various reasons, and all of their [[NiceJobBreakingItHero assorted actions]] lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.
* ''VideoGame/{{Furi}}'': Aside from the few unambiguously [[HeroAntagonist heroic characters]], such as [[KnightInShiningArmor The Hand]], who fights to [[PapaWolf protect his son]] and the Free World, or [[AllLovingHero The Beat]], who aspires to be [[HopeBringer a guardian of hope]] and believes in the best of others, a majority of the characters aren't truly good or evil, making them ripe for different character interpretations. The Edge becomes one of the Jailers not because he wants to SaveTheWorld, rather because he wants to find a WorthyOpponent, The Burst is an [[ArrogantKungFuGuy Arrogant]] BloodKnight, but she's [[FriendlySniper affable enough]] to respect The Stranger as a WorthyOpponent, and The Voice claims that The Song is [[BitchInSheepsClothing pretending to be benevolent]], but her peaceful offer to The Stranger [[SheepInSheepsClothing can be seen in a genuinely kind light]]. Some of the other Jailers may be AxCrazy, but they also have good reasons for imprisoning The Stranger, [[spoiler: who's actually [[ThoseWereOnlyTheirScouts an alien scout]] that's checking if the Free World is fit for assimilation; an AlienInvasion in essence. Even The Voice can be seen in a muddy light for [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom risking the Free World's safety]] by freeing The Stranger so he can see his daughter again. Should The Stranger fulfills his purpose, doing so will doom the Free World and its populace. Whether The Stranger stays faithful to his purpose or not is up to the player, but even if The Stranger chooses to defy it, the reasons for his defiance may or may not be entirely selfless. The only character who can be villainous is The Star for coming up with the EvilPlan of [[AssimilationPlot assimilating]] the Free World for the survival of The Stranger's species, but it's ambiguous whether she's a genuine WellIntentionedExtremist or just a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative]] [[PlanetLooters Planet Looter]].]]
* ''VideoGame/BattleForWesnoth'' has this in the campaign Descent into Darkness. You control a young mage apprentice who takes up dark magic (read: animating corpses) to defend his town and is exiled. His sister, the town guard, holy knights who show up for no reason but to piss you off in the hardest mission of the campaign all wish to have him killed. He takes revenge on them. In the end, it's mostly black versus black or black versus grey (with you playing the part of a very borderline black) but until they drop an anvil on you and have you fight endlessly repeating (and rather easy) battles against random commanders, you never genuinely know who to root for.
* This is the theme of the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' series. Ever since ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'', the seemingly vilest of antagonists has at minimum a lofty goal in mind, and the most noble of protagonists is either hiding something, misguided or aiding and abetting someone who is either hiding something or misguided.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'': Dhaos [[WellIntentionedExtremist only wanted to revive his dying world of Derris-Kharlan]] using the mana seed of Aselia, but his brutal methods and refusal to explain his side until it was too late is the only thing keeping Cless and his allies from becoming {{Villain Protagonist}}s.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 Destiny 2]]'': [[spoiler: Fortuna]] isn't all that evil. She wants to give eternal happiness to humanity. At worst, she has BlueAndOrangeMorality, being a goddess. She has two saints, one wanting humanity to decide how to best make its own happiness and the other being a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood is the only answer. They both want to save the world, they just have very different ways of going about it. The heroes aren't all squeaky clean either- While Kyle genuinely wants to be a hero, Judas [[spoiler: was a nasty traitor in his past life]] and Harold is a ComedicSociopath who joined the quest [[RageAgainstTheHeavens for]] [[ItAmusedMe kicks]], while Loni's a NobleBigot. Also, while [[spoiler: Elraine's]] methods are over the top, the people in her cities ''were'' happy with their lives.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Symphonia]]'': [[spoiler:Mithos]] simply wanted to save the world [[KnightTemplar from its own racist self]] by holding back progress and running "human ranches", and everything else he does is either for this for [[spoiler: Martel's sake]]. [[IdiotHero Lloyd's]] actions lead to much death and destruction as he changes the system, and [[spoiler:Mithos]]'s fears of technological abuse [[AndManGrewProud is proven right]], as the next 4000 years between ''Symphonia'' and ''Phantasia'' can attest to.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of which has caused the destruction of his native Hod. Mohs is determined to follow it to the letter, believing it to be the Auldrant's ''only'' path to progress. On the heroes' side, [[SpoiledBrat Luke]] is a {{Jerkass}} extraordinaire, [[MysteriousWaif Tear]] keeps to herself all the time, [[TheLancer Guy]] trusts [[spoiler:Van]], Jade was once a morally-ambiguous scientist, [[GoldDigger Anise]] is a gold-digger [[spoiler:with good reason]], and [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Natalia]] is [[spoiler:revealed to be an adopted commoner]]. The only thing that kept Luke and company with ALighterShadeOfGrey is CharacterDevelopment (especially Luke's traumatic transformation from SpoiledBrat to NiceGuy).
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Vesperia]]'': Alexei wanted to use Zaude to [[spoiler:force the world to stop its reliance on blastia which is slowly killing it -- unaware that it is actually ''the'' seal to an EldritchAbomination]]. Yeager is an amoral mercenary who [[spoiler:gives his earnings to an orphanage and has adopted two girls to be his sidekicks]]. On the heroes' side, [[VigilanteMan Yuri]] is more than willing to [[NecessarilyEvil stain his hands with blood in the name of justice]], while [[KnightInShiningArmor Flynn]] believes in the power of law and order [[LawfulStupid to the point of overlooking the basics of morality]]. As for the overarching plot, it comes down to a debate between preservation of nature at humanity's expense versus alteration of nature to suit human needs at expense of other lifeforms.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria Berseria]]'': On the playable, good guys side, you have the AntiHeroTeam of criminals and terrorists led by Velvet Crowe, [[spoiler:the first Lord of Calamity]], who has a single-minded obsession with revenge against the BigBad and is perfectly willing to kill anyone in her way but has a softer side, versus [[TragicVillain Artorius]], a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to bring about a WorldOfSilence to save humanity from the threat of Malevolence. Neither side is truly good or truly bad.
** Many characters and factions in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' have morally ambiguous goals and/or means, to the point that the only unambiguously evil faction in the game is the Darkspawn army:
*** The conflict that created the war between the Dalish and the werewolves. The werewolves were cursed by [[spoiler: Zathrian]] when their ancestors [[spoiler: killed his son and raped his daughter, [[DrivenToSuicide driving her to kill herself]]]]. Since they're suffering for a mistake they haven't made themselves, it's understandable they want to avenge themselves and end their curse. Their leader, the Lady of the Forest, is in favour of a peaceful resolution, but she doesn't seem to care about the fate of the elves, and she lies to you so you side with her and [[spoiler: bring Zathrian to her so the werewolves can kill him if he doesn't break the curse]]. On the other hand, even though [[spoiler: Zathrian]] manipulates you as well, his motive was legitimate at the beginning, if [[DisproportionateRetribution disproportionate]], and he has another reason for not ending the curse: [[spoiler: he can live as long as the curse is in effect, and has been able to give the Dalish the hope that he rediscovered the lost immortality of their people]].
*** The dwarven SuccessionCrisis. The Dwarf origin stories give you some pretty clear reasons for supporting each. Commoners would want to support Bhelen because he fights to end the oppressive caste system and wants to open the country more to the outside. Nobles would want to support Harrowmont because it's their father's wishes and he's more "Traditional". You also have a personal reason for doing so, Harrowmont is a ''very'' nice guy and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, as he fights ''hard'' to make sure the dwarf noble is given a fair trial. Bhelen meanwhile fights hard to get to the throne...to near sociopathic levels, as he's [[spoiler:rightfully]] suspected of killing his older brother and getting his other sibling blamed for it. [[note]]The noble even has a chance to call him out on this, during which he has almost ''no remorse'' for it unless you compliment him and say he was better at playing the game[[/note]] To a Commoner, Harrowmount is a classist asshole to you while Bhelen is not only polite and respectful, he's your sister's loving fiance (and later husband). Oh, and to keep things up, Bhelen, if chosen, becomes a [[spoiler:dictator who leads his city into a new era of prosperity]]. Harrowmont meanwhile [[spoiler:dies partly due to the stress of ruling and causes Orzammar to fall into decay while expanding its isolationist practices]].
** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor. The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals altogether]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
*** The Chantry and their affiliated Templar Order are simply executing its position of keeping mages in check, given that mages in this game have completely unpredictable degrees of power and are walking demon magnets. They do so by setting up their Circle (barracks for their [[KnightTemplar Templar Order]] and a mage prison in all but name) in the former SLAVE PITS oh so quaintly named "The Gallows". The "alternative", in their opinion, is a fate like the Tevinter Imperium, which is ruled over by Magisters who thoroughly abuse their magic to stay in power.
*** The mages are rebelling against the overt cruelty of the Templars, seemingly worse in Kirkwall than anywhere else, up to and including making mages [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquil]] for such things as ''talking about someone ELSE'S escape attempt''. Of course, halfway through the game you learn about [[spoiler:a significant mage rebellion in the works which, while in response to this abuse, is shown to be willing to sacrifice - sometimes [[BloodMagic literally]] - any number of innocents to achieve its goal.]]
*** The Qunari follow the Qun, a set of ideals [[BlueAndOrangeMorality wholly separate from every other nation]]. They are as confused by the way the "bas" (their term for non-Qun-followers, literally "things") run around all willy-nilly without a "purpose" in life: that "purpose" being a singular role assigned at birth with literally no deviation until you die. Even so much as wanting to retire from the life of a soldier is considered equivalent to heresy and treason rolled into one. They won't hesitate to kill if they feel it appropriate, but will also show respect to [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy people with strong personal convictions]]. [[spoiler:Act 2 ends with the Qunari holed up in Kirkwall getting fed up with the "chaos" around them and trying to take over... and very nearly succeeding]].
* When it comes to player races, ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' is surprisingly nuanced in terms of morality. Not only do all of the races indulge in truly unpleasant spin-off factions that can be killed by both sides, but you'll also find yourself accidentally doing unpleasant things for your allies, who often turn out to be sadists, murderers, and major, MAJOR extremists who wipe out villages, torture prisoners and murder the innocent.
** With hindsight, you've probably helped to destroy a few small and insignificant outposts yourself in the name of preventing further expansion.
*** In one example in the Stonetalon Mountains, you join Krom'Gar's army and work your way up through his ranks. He then murders some innocents and drops a FantasticNuke on the land. He's executed, and you nearly get executed by Garrosh too for all the help you inadvertently gave him while questing eagerly for ranks. Whenever you realise that you've been helping a total psycho, it's something of an OhCrap moment.
** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves, and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
* In ''VideoGame/OdinSphere'', none of the principal protagonists are evil, but many of them staunchly oppose one another for various reasons, and all of their [[NiceJobBreakingItHero assorted actions]] lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.
* ''VideoGame/{{Furi}}'': Aside from the few unambiguously [[HeroAntagonist heroic characters]], such as [[KnightInShiningArmor The Hand]], who fights to [[PapaWolf protect his son]] and the Free World, or [[AllLovingHero The Beat]], who aspires to be [[HopeBringer a guardian of hope]] and believes in the best of others, a majority of the characters aren't truly good or evil, making them ripe for different character interpretations. The Edge becomes one of the Jailers not because he wants to SaveTheWorld, rather because he wants to find a WorthyOpponent, The Burst is an [[ArrogantKungFuGuy Arrogant]] BloodKnight, but she's [[FriendlySniper affable enough]] to respect The Stranger as a WorthyOpponent, and The Voice claims that The Song is [[BitchInSheepsClothing pretending to be benevolent]], but her peaceful offer to The Stranger [[SheepInSheepsClothing can be seen in a genuinely kind light]]. Some of the other Jailers may be AxCrazy, but they also have good reasons for imprisoning The Stranger, [[spoiler: who's actually [[ThoseWereOnlyTheirScouts an alien scout]] that's checking if the Free World is fit for assimilation; an AlienInvasion in essence. Even The Voice can be seen in a muddy light for [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom risking the Free World's safety]] by freeing The Stranger so he can see his daughter again. Should The Stranger fulfills his purpose, doing so will doom the Free World and its populace. Whether The Stranger stays faithful to his purpose or not is up to the player, but even if The Stranger chooses to defy it, the reasons for his defiance may or may not be entirely selfless. The only character who can be villainous is The Star for coming up with the EvilPlan of [[AssimilationPlot assimilating]] the Free World for the survival of The Stranger's species, but it's ambiguous whether she's a genuine WellIntentionedExtremist or just a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative]] [[PlanetLooters Planet Looter]].]]
* ''VideoGame/BattleForWesnoth'' has this in the campaign Descent into Darkness. You control a young mage apprentice who takes up dark magic (read: animating corpses) to defend his town and is exiled. His sister, the town guard, holy knights who show up for no reason but to piss you off in the hardest mission of the campaign all wish to have him killed. He takes revenge on them. In the end, it's mostly black versus black or black versus grey (with you playing the part of a very borderline black) but until they drop an anvil on you and have you fight endlessly repeating (and rather easy) battles against random commanders, you never genuinely know who to root for.
* This is the theme of the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' series. Ever since ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'', the seemingly vilest of antagonists has at minimum a lofty goal in mind, and the most noble of protagonists is either hiding something, misguided or aiding and abetting someone who is either hiding something or misguided.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'': Dhaos [[WellIntentionedExtremist only wanted to revive his dying world of Derris-Kharlan]] using the mana seed of Aselia, but his brutal methods and refusal to explain his side until it was too late is the only thing keeping Cless and his allies from becoming {{Villain Protagonist}}s.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 Destiny 2]]'': [[spoiler: Fortuna]] isn't all that evil. She wants to give eternal happiness to humanity. At worst, she has BlueAndOrangeMorality, being a goddess. She has two saints, one wanting humanity to decide how to best make its own happiness and the other being a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood is the only answer. They both want to save the world, they just have very different ways of going about it. The heroes aren't all squeaky clean either- While Kyle genuinely wants to be a hero, Judas [[spoiler: was a nasty traitor in his past life]] and Harold is a ComedicSociopath who joined the quest [[RageAgainstTheHeavens for]] [[ItAmusedMe kicks]], while Loni's a NobleBigot. Also, while [[spoiler: Elraine's]] methods are over the top, the people in her cities ''were'' happy with their lives.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Symphonia]]'': [[spoiler:Mithos]] simply wanted to save the world [[KnightTemplar from its own racist self]] by holding back progress and running "human ranches", and everything else he does is either for this for [[spoiler: Martel's sake]]. [[IdiotHero Lloyd's]] actions lead to much death and destruction as he changes the system, and [[spoiler:Mithos]]'s fears of technological abuse [[AndManGrewProud is proven right]], as the next 4000 years between ''Symphonia'' and ''Phantasia'' can attest to.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of which has caused the destruction of his native Hod. Mohs is determined to follow it to the letter, believing it to be the Auldrant's ''only'' path to progress. On the heroes' side, [[SpoiledBrat Luke]] is a {{Jerkass}} extraordinaire, [[MysteriousWaif Tear]] keeps to herself all the time, [[TheLancer Guy]] trusts [[spoiler:Van]], Jade was once a morally-ambiguous scientist, [[GoldDigger Anise]] is a gold-digger [[spoiler:with good reason]], and [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Natalia]] is [[spoiler:revealed to be an adopted commoner]]. The only thing that kept Luke and company with ALighterShadeOfGrey is CharacterDevelopment (especially Luke's traumatic transformation from SpoiledBrat to NiceGuy).
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Vesperia]]'': Alexei wanted to use Zaude to [[spoiler:force the world to stop its reliance on blastia which is slowly killing it -- unaware that it is actually ''the'' seal to an EldritchAbomination]]. Yeager is an amoral mercenary who [[spoiler:gives his earnings to an orphanage and has adopted two girls to be his sidekicks]]. On the heroes' side, [[VigilanteMan Yuri]] is more than willing to [[NecessarilyEvil stain his hands with blood in the name of justice]], while [[KnightInShiningArmor Flynn]] believes in the power of law and order [[LawfulStupid to the point of overlooking the basics of morality]]. As for the overarching plot, it comes down to a debate between preservation of nature at humanity's expense versus alteration of nature to suit human needs at expense of other lifeforms.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria Berseria]]'': On the playable, good guys side, you have the AntiHeroTeam of criminals and terrorists led by Velvet Crowe, [[spoiler:the first Lord of Calamity]], who has a single-minded obsession with revenge against the BigBad and is perfectly willing to kill anyone in her way but has a softer side, versus [[TragicVillain Artorius]], a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to bring about a WorldOfSilence to save humanity from the threat of Malevolence. Neither side is truly good or truly bad.
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* ''Franchise/DragonAge'':
** Many characters and factions in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' have morally ambiguous goals and/or means,Welcome to the point that the only unambiguously evil faction in the game is the Darkspawn army:
*** The conflict that created the war between the Dalish and the werewolves. The werewolves were cursed by [[spoiler: Zathrian]] when their ancestors [[spoiler: killed his son and raped his daughter, [[DrivenToSuicide driving her to kill herself]]]]. Since they're suffering for a mistake they haven't made themselves, it's understandable they want to avenge themselves and end their curse. Their leader, the Lady of the Forest, is in favour of a peaceful resolution, but she doesn't seem to care about the fate of the elves, and she lies to you so you side with her and [[spoiler: bring Zathrian to her so the werewolves can kill him if he doesn't break the curse]]. On the other hand, even though [[spoiler: Zathrian]] manipulates you as well, his motive was legitimate at the beginning, if [[DisproportionateRetribution disproportionate]], and he has another reason for not ending the curse: [[spoiler: he can live as long as the curse is in effect, and has been able to give the Dalish the hope that he rediscovered the lost immortality of their people]].
*** The dwarven SuccessionCrisis. The Dwarf origin stories give you some pretty clear reasons for supporting each. Commoners''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld'', who would want to support Bhelen because he fights to end the oppressive caste system and wants to open the country more to the outside. Nobles would want to support Harrowmont because it's their father's wishes and he's more "Traditional". You also have a personal reason for doing so, Harrowmont is a ''very'' nice guy and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure, as he fights ''hard'' to make sure the dwarf noble is given a fair trial. Bhelen meanwhile fights hard to get to the throne...to near sociopathic levels, as he's [[spoiler:rightfully]] suspected of killing his older brother and getting his other sibling blamed for it. [[note]]The noble even has a chance to call him out on this, during which he has almost ''no remorse'' for it unless you compliment him and say he was better at playing the game[[/note]] To a Commoner, Harrowmount is a classist asshole like to you while Bhelen is not only polite and respectful, he's your sister's loving fiance (and later husband). Oh, and to keep things up, Bhelen, if chosen, becomes a [[spoiler:dictator who leads his city into a new era of prosperity]]. Harrowmont meanwhile [[spoiler:dies partly due to the stress of ruling and causes Orzammar to fall into decay while expanding its isolationist practices]].
** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor.side with? The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals altogether]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
***[[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney ultra-capitalist]], [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections power-brokering]] '''[[TheIlluminati Illuminati]]'''? The Chantry and their affiliated Templar Order are simply executing its position of keeping mages in check, given that mages in this game have completely unpredictable degrees of power and are walking demon magnets. They do so by setting up their Circle (barracks for their [[KnightTemplar Templar Order]] and a mage prison in all but name) in the former SLAVE PITS oh so quaintly named "The Gallows". The "alternative", in their opinion, is a fate like the Tevinter Imperium, which is ruled over by Magisters who thoroughly abuse their magic to stay in power.
*** The mages are rebelling against the overt cruelty of the Templars, seemingly worse in Kirkwall than anywhere else, up to and including making mages [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquil]] for such things as ''talking about someone ELSE'S escape attempt''. Of course, halfway through the game you learn about [[spoiler:a significant mage rebellion in the works which, while in response to this abuse, is shown to be willing to sacrifice - sometimes [[BloodMagic literally]] - any number of innocents to achieve its goal.]]
*** The Qunari follow the Qun, a set of ideals [[BlueAndOrangeMorality wholly separate from every other nation]]. They are as confused by the way the "bas" (their term for non-Qun-followers, literally "things") run around all willy-nilly without a "purpose" in life: that "purpose" being a singular role assigned at birth with literally no deviation until you die. Even so much as wanting to retire from the life of a soldier is considered equivalent to heresy and treason rolled into one. They won't hesitate to kill if they feel it appropriate, but will also show respect to [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy people with strong personal convictions]]. [[spoiler:Act 2 ends with the Qunari holed up in Kirkwall getting fed up with the "chaos" around them and trying to take over... and very nearly succeeding]].
* When it comes to player races, ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' is surprisingly nuanced in terms of morality. Not only do all of the races indulge in truly unpleasant spin-off factions that can be killed by both sides, but you'll also find yourself accidentally doing unpleasant things for your allies, who often turn out to be sadists, murderers, and major, MAJOR extremists who wipe out villages, torture prisoners and murder the innocent.
** With hindsight, you've probably helped to destroy a few small and insignificant outposts yourself in the name of preventing further expansion.
*** In one example in the Stonetalon Mountains, you join Krom'Gar's army and work your way up through his ranks. He then murders some innocents and drops a FantasticNuke on the land. He's executed, and you nearly get executed by Garrosh too for all the help you inadvertently gave him while questing eagerly for ranks. Whenever you realise that you've been helping a total psycho, it's something of an OhCrap moment.
** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves, and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
* In ''VideoGame/OdinSphere'', none of the principal protagonists are evil, but many of them staunchly oppose one another for various reasons, and all of their [[NiceJobBreakingItHero assorted actions]] lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.
* ''VideoGame/{{Furi}}'': Aside from the few unambiguously [[HeroAntagonist heroic characters]], such as [[KnightInShiningArmor The Hand]], who fights to [[PapaWolf protect his son]] and the Free World, or [[AllLovingHero The Beat]], who aspires to be [[HopeBringer a guardian of hope]] and believes in the best of others, a majority of the characters aren't truly good or evil, making them ripe for different character interpretations. The Edge becomes one of the Jailers not because he wants to SaveTheWorld, rather because he wants to find a WorthyOpponent, The Burst is an [[ArrogantKungFuGuy Arrogant]] BloodKnight, but she's [[FriendlySniper affable enough]] to respect The Stranger as a WorthyOpponent, and The Voice claims that The Song is [[BitchInSheepsClothing pretending to be benevolent]], but her peaceful offer to The Stranger [[SheepInSheepsClothing can be seen in a genuinely kind light]]. Some of the other Jailers may be AxCrazy, but they also have good reasons for imprisoning The Stranger, [[spoiler: who's actually [[ThoseWereOnlyTheirScouts an alien scout]] that's checking if the Free World is fit for assimilation; an AlienInvasion in essence. Even The Voice can be seen in a muddy light for [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom risking the Free World's safety]] by freeing The Stranger so he can see his daughter again. Should The Stranger fulfills his purpose, doing so will doom the Free World and its populace. Whether The Stranger stays faithful to his purpose or not is up to the player, but even if The Stranger chooses to defy it, the reasons for his defiance may or may not be entirely selfless. The only character who can be villainous is The Star for coming up with the EvilPlan of [[AssimilationPlot assimilating]] the Free World for the survival of The Stranger's species, but it's ambiguous whether she's a genuine WellIntentionedExtremist or just a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative]] [[PlanetLooters Planet Looter]].]]
* ''VideoGame/BattleForWesnoth'' has this in the campaign Descent into Darkness. You control a young mage apprentice who takes up dark magic (read: animating corpses) to defend his town and is exiled. His sister, the town guard, holy knights who show up for no reason but to piss you off in the hardest mission of the campaign all wish to have him killed. He takes revenge on them. In the end, it's mostly black versus black or black versus grey (with you playing the part of a very borderline black) but until they drop an anvil on you and have you fight endlessly repeating (and rather easy) battles against random commanders, you never genuinely know who to root for.
* This is the theme of the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' series. Ever since ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'', the seemingly vilest of antagonists has at minimum a lofty goal in mind, and the most noble of protagonists is either hiding something, misguided or aiding and abetting someone who is either hiding something or misguided.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'': Dhaosmilitant]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist only wanted to revive his dying world of Derris-Kharlan]] using overzealous]] '''[[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Templars]]'''? Or perhaps the mana seed of Aselia, but his brutal methods and refusal to explain his side until it was too late is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality chaos-theory-chasing, 'interpretive terrorist']] '''[[TheChessmaster Dragon]]'''? And then there's the only thing keeping Cless and his allies from becoming {{Villain Protagonist}}s.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 Destiny 2]]'': [[spoiler: Fortuna]] isn't all that evil. She wants to give eternal happiness to humanity. At worst, she has BlueAndOrangeMorality, being a goddess. She has two saints, one wanting humanity to decide how to best make its own happiness and the other being a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood is the only answer. They both want to save the world, they just have very different ways of going about it. The heroes aren't all squeaky clean either- While Kyle genuinely wants to be a hero, Judas [[spoiler: was a nasty traitor in his past life]] and Harold is a ComedicSociopath who joined the quest [[RageAgainstTheHeavens for]] [[ItAmusedMe kicks]], while Loni's a NobleBigot. Also, while [[spoiler: Elraine's]] methods are over the top, the people in her cities ''were'' happy with their lives.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Symphonia]]'': [[spoiler:Mithos]] simply wanted to save the world [[KnightTemplar from its own racist self]] by holding back progress and running "human ranches", and everything else he does is either for this for [[spoiler: Martel's sake]]. [[IdiotHero Lloyd's]] actions lead to much death and destruction as he changes the system, and [[spoiler:Mithos]]'s fears of technological abuse [[AndManGrewProud is proven right]], as the next 4000 years between ''Symphonia'' and ''Phantasia'' can attest to.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of[=NPC=] factions, which has caused the destruction of his native Hod. Mohs is determined are arguably better and/or worse, to follow it to the letter, believing it to be the Auldrant's ''only'' path to progress. On the heroes' side, [[SpoiledBrat Luke]] is a {{Jerkass}} extraordinaire, [[MysteriousWaif Tear]] keeps to herself all the time, [[TheLancer Guy]] trusts [[spoiler:Van]], Jade was once a morally-ambiguous scientist, [[GoldDigger Anise]] is a gold-digger [[spoiler:with good reason]], and [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Natalia]] is [[spoiler:revealed to be an adopted commoner]]. The only thing that kept Luke and company with ALighterShadeOfGrey is CharacterDevelopment (especially Luke's traumatic transformation from SpoiledBrat to NiceGuy).
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Vesperia]]'': Alexei wanted to use Zaude to [[spoiler:force the world to stop its reliance on blastia which is slowly killing it -- unaware that it is actually ''the'' seal to an EldritchAbomination]]. Yeager is an amoral mercenary who [[spoiler:gives his earnings to an orphanage and has adopted two girls to be his sidekicks]]. On the heroes' side, [[VigilanteMan Yuri]] is more than willing to [[NecessarilyEvil stain his hands with blood in the name of justice]], while [[KnightInShiningArmor Flynn]] believes in the power of law and order [[LawfulStupid to the point of overlooking the basics of morality]]. As for the overarching plot, it comes down to a debate between preservation of nature at humanity's expense versus alteration of nature to suit human needs at expense of other lifeforms.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria Berseria]]'': On the playable, good guys side, you have the AntiHeroTeam of criminals and terrorists led by Velvet Crowe, [[spoiler:the first Lord of Calamity]], who has a single-minded obsession with revenge against the BigBad and is perfectly willing to kill anyone in her way but has a softer side, versus [[TragicVillain Artorius]], a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to bring about a WorldOfSilence to save humanity from the threat of Malevolence. Neither side is truly good or truly bad.varying degrees.
** Many characters and factions in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' have morally ambiguous goals and/or means,
*** The conflict that created the war between the Dalish and the werewolves. The werewolves were cursed by [[spoiler: Zathrian]] when their ancestors [[spoiler: killed his son and raped his daughter, [[DrivenToSuicide driving her to kill herself]]]]. Since they're suffering for a mistake they haven't made themselves, it's understandable they want to avenge themselves and end their curse. Their leader, the Lady of the Forest, is in favour of a peaceful resolution, but she doesn't seem to care about the fate of the elves, and she lies to you so you side with her and [[spoiler: bring Zathrian to her so the werewolves can kill him if he doesn't break the curse]]. On the other hand, even though [[spoiler: Zathrian]] manipulates you as well, his motive was legitimate at the beginning, if [[DisproportionateRetribution disproportionate]], and he has another reason for not ending the curse: [[spoiler: he can live as long as the curse is in effect, and has been able to give the Dalish the hope that he rediscovered the lost immortality of their people]].
*** The dwarven SuccessionCrisis. The Dwarf origin stories give you some pretty clear reasons for supporting each. Commoners
** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor.
***
*** The mages are rebelling against the overt cruelty of the Templars, seemingly worse in Kirkwall than anywhere else, up to and including making mages [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquil]] for such things as ''talking about someone ELSE'S escape attempt''. Of course, halfway through the game you learn about [[spoiler:a significant mage rebellion in the works which, while in response to this abuse, is shown to be willing to sacrifice - sometimes [[BloodMagic literally]] - any number of innocents to achieve its goal.]]
*** The Qunari follow the Qun, a set of ideals [[BlueAndOrangeMorality wholly separate from every other nation]]. They are as confused by the way the "bas" (their term for non-Qun-followers, literally "things") run around all willy-nilly without a "purpose" in life: that "purpose" being a singular role assigned at birth with literally no deviation until you die. Even so much as wanting to retire from the life of a soldier is considered equivalent to heresy and treason rolled into one. They won't hesitate to kill if they feel it appropriate, but will also show respect to [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy people with strong personal convictions]]. [[spoiler:Act 2 ends with the Qunari holed up in Kirkwall getting fed up with the "chaos" around them and trying to take over... and very nearly succeeding]].
* When it comes to player races, ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' is surprisingly nuanced in terms of morality. Not only do all of the races indulge in truly unpleasant spin-off factions that can be killed by both sides, but you'll also find yourself accidentally doing unpleasant things for your allies, who often turn out to be sadists, murderers, and major, MAJOR extremists who wipe out villages, torture prisoners and murder the innocent.
** With hindsight, you've probably helped to destroy a few small and insignificant outposts yourself in the name of preventing further expansion.
*** In one example in the Stonetalon Mountains, you join Krom'Gar's army and work your way up through his ranks. He then murders some innocents and drops a FantasticNuke on the land. He's executed, and you nearly get executed by Garrosh too for all the help you inadvertently gave him while questing eagerly for ranks. Whenever you realise that you've been helping a total psycho, it's something of an OhCrap moment.
** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves, and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
* In ''VideoGame/OdinSphere'', none of the principal protagonists are evil, but many of them staunchly oppose one another for various reasons, and all of their [[NiceJobBreakingItHero assorted actions]] lead to TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt.
* ''VideoGame/{{Furi}}'': Aside from the few unambiguously [[HeroAntagonist heroic characters]], such as [[KnightInShiningArmor The Hand]], who fights to [[PapaWolf protect his son]] and the Free World, or [[AllLovingHero The Beat]], who aspires to be [[HopeBringer a guardian of hope]] and believes in the best of others, a majority of the characters aren't truly good or evil, making them ripe for different character interpretations. The Edge becomes one of the Jailers not because he wants to SaveTheWorld, rather because he wants to find a WorthyOpponent, The Burst is an [[ArrogantKungFuGuy Arrogant]] BloodKnight, but she's [[FriendlySniper affable enough]] to respect The Stranger as a WorthyOpponent, and The Voice claims that The Song is [[BitchInSheepsClothing pretending to be benevolent]], but her peaceful offer to The Stranger [[SheepInSheepsClothing can be seen in a genuinely kind light]]. Some of the other Jailers may be AxCrazy, but they also have good reasons for imprisoning The Stranger, [[spoiler: who's actually [[ThoseWereOnlyTheirScouts an alien scout]] that's checking if the Free World is fit for assimilation; an AlienInvasion in essence. Even The Voice can be seen in a muddy light for [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom risking the Free World's safety]] by freeing The Stranger so he can see his daughter again. Should The Stranger fulfills his purpose, doing so will doom the Free World and its populace. Whether The Stranger stays faithful to his purpose or not is up to the player, but even if The Stranger chooses to defy it, the reasons for his defiance may or may not be entirely selfless. The only character who can be villainous is The Star for coming up with the EvilPlan of [[AssimilationPlot assimilating]] the Free World for the survival of The Stranger's species, but it's ambiguous whether she's a genuine WellIntentionedExtremist or just a [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative]] [[PlanetLooters Planet Looter]].]]
* ''VideoGame/BattleForWesnoth'' has this in the campaign Descent into Darkness. You control a young mage apprentice who takes up dark magic (read: animating corpses) to defend his town and is exiled. His sister, the town guard, holy knights who show up for no reason but to piss you off in the hardest mission of the campaign all wish to have him killed. He takes revenge on them. In the end, it's mostly black versus black or black versus grey (with you playing the part of a very borderline black) but until they drop an anvil on you and have you fight endlessly repeating (and rather easy) battles against random commanders, you never genuinely know who to root for.
* This is the theme of the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' series. Ever since ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'', the seemingly vilest of antagonists has at minimum a lofty goal in mind, and the most noble of protagonists is either hiding something, misguided or aiding and abetting someone who is either hiding something or misguided.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'': Dhaos
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 Destiny 2]]'': [[spoiler: Fortuna]] isn't all that evil. She wants to give eternal happiness to humanity. At worst, she has BlueAndOrangeMorality, being a goddess. She has two saints, one wanting humanity to decide how to best make its own happiness and the other being a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood is the only answer. They both want to save the world, they just have very different ways of going about it. The heroes aren't all squeaky clean either- While Kyle genuinely wants to be a hero, Judas [[spoiler: was a nasty traitor in his past life]] and Harold is a ComedicSociopath who joined the quest [[RageAgainstTheHeavens for]] [[ItAmusedMe kicks]], while Loni's a NobleBigot. Also, while [[spoiler: Elraine's]] methods are over the top, the people in her cities ''were'' happy with their lives.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Symphonia]]'': [[spoiler:Mithos]] simply wanted to save the world [[KnightTemplar from its own racist self]] by holding back progress and running "human ranches", and everything else he does is either for this for [[spoiler: Martel's sake]]. [[IdiotHero Lloyd's]] actions lead to much death and destruction as he changes the system, and [[spoiler:Mithos]]'s fears of technological abuse [[AndManGrewProud is proven right]], as the next 4000 years between ''Symphonia'' and ''Phantasia'' can attest to.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Vesperia]]'': Alexei wanted to use Zaude to [[spoiler:force the world to stop its reliance on blastia which is slowly killing it -- unaware that it is actually ''the'' seal to an EldritchAbomination]]. Yeager is an amoral mercenary who [[spoiler:gives his earnings to an orphanage and has adopted two girls to be his sidekicks]]. On the heroes' side, [[VigilanteMan Yuri]] is more than willing to [[NecessarilyEvil stain his hands with blood in the name of justice]], while [[KnightInShiningArmor Flynn]] believes in the power of law and order [[LawfulStupid to the point of overlooking the basics of morality]]. As for the overarching plot, it comes down to a debate between preservation of nature at humanity's expense versus alteration of nature to suit human needs at expense of other lifeforms.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria Berseria]]'': On the playable, good guys side, you have the AntiHeroTeam of criminals and terrorists led by Velvet Crowe, [[spoiler:the first Lord of Calamity]], who has a single-minded obsession with revenge against the BigBad and is perfectly willing to kill anyone in her way but has a softer side, versus [[TragicVillain Artorius]], a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to bring about a WorldOfSilence to save humanity from the threat of Malevolence. Neither side is truly good or truly bad.
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* In the first ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', while the BigBad CorruptCorporateExecutive with AGodAmI complex Bob Page is definitely evil, the ending has you choose to follow the advice of one of three opposing factions, each insisting that [[WellIntentionedExtremist their plan is for the best]] and that the other plans have major drawbacks. And they're all, to an extent, right.
** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar'', while certain factions may come across as more or less positive, all have philosophies it's possible to sympathize with, while also being somewhat morally dubious. In the end, you must pick between them, with no defined "good" or "bad" choice. You can also follow your own path and kill everybody, which backfires horribly (duh).
** The prequel ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' continues the tradition by asking you to side with one of three competing viewpoints regarding human augmentation and subsequently nudge the public interest in that direction... But you also get a fourth choice where you can refuse all of them and leave the world to decide its own fate (of course being a prequel to the first Deus Ex, the results are pretty much foregone no matter what you decide).
* The three player factions (Humans, Mutants, and Biomeks) of ''VideoGame/AutoAssault'' were set up to be like this, but when you really look into it the Humans turn out to be the biggest bastards of the bunch, even if they were originally doing it to ensure their survival.
* ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' started off with GDI as heroic good guys fighting against the evil [[{{Cult}} Nod]]. However, later games revealed that Nod actually has reasons for fighting, and a number of the higher-ups in GDI are rather dodgy.
** There's a major WhatTheHellPlayer moment in C&C 3. If you're playing as GDI (the ''"good"'' guys), on the last mission you can choose to use a bomb that will kill hundreds of millions and destroy all of Europe. For this, the rational General who seemed like a pretty stand-up guy resigns in disgust, and the slimy politician (whose incompetence was [[AllAccordingToPlan all part of Kane's Plan]]) ''promotes you''.
* ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' series:
** ''VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar'' features a war between [[{{Eagleland}} Osea]] and [[FakeRussian Yuktobania]]… until it becomes known that the Belkans had been infiltrating high-ranking positions on both sides, essentially setting up a war of mutual destruction as vengeance for losing a previous war. By the end, both superpowers team up and collectively beat the tar out of the interlopers.
** For ''VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar'', while the Belkans do not seem to have overt good going for them, Cipher can slide along the scale of greyness depending on how many crippled or civilian targets he goes after. [[spoiler:A World With No Boundaries]] are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] who seek to bring about a OneWorldOrder and eliminate the political boundaries that lead to fighting... It's a pity they have to use a nuke to do so.
** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar'', while certain factions may come across as more or less positive, all have philosophies it's possible to sympathize with, while also being somewhat morally dubious. In the end, you must pick between them, with no defined "good" or "bad" choice. You can also follow your own path and kill everybody, which backfires horribly (duh).
** The prequel ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' continues the tradition by asking you to side with one of three competing viewpoints regarding human augmentation and subsequently nudge the public interest in that direction... But you also get a fourth choice where you can refuse all of them and leave the world to decide its own fate (of course being a prequel to the first Deus Ex, the results are pretty much foregone no matter what you decide).
* The three player factions (Humans, Mutants, and Biomeks) of ''VideoGame/AutoAssault'' were set up to be like this, but when you really look into it the Humans turn out to be the biggest bastards of the bunch, even if they were originally doing it to ensure their survival.
* ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' started off with GDI as heroic good guys fighting against the evil [[{{Cult}} Nod]]. However, later games revealed that Nod actually has reasons for fighting, and a number of the higher-ups in GDI are rather dodgy.
** There's a major WhatTheHellPlayer moment in C&C 3. If you're playing as GDI (the ''"good"'' guys), on the last mission you can choose to use a bomb that will kill hundreds of millions and destroy all of Europe. For this, the rational General who seemed like a pretty stand-up guy resigns in disgust, and the slimy politician (whose incompetence was [[AllAccordingToPlan all part of Kane's Plan]]) ''promotes you''.
* ''VideoGame/AceCombat'' series:
** ''VideoGame/AceCombat5TheUnsungWar'' features a war between [[{{Eagleland}} Osea]] and [[FakeRussian Yuktobania]]… until it becomes known that the Belkans had been infiltrating high-ranking positions on both sides, essentially setting up a war of mutual destruction as vengeance for losing a previous war. By the end, both superpowers team up and collectively beat the tar out of the interlopers.
** For ''VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar'', while the Belkans do not seem to have overt good going for them, Cipher can slide along the scale of greyness depending on how many crippled or civilian targets he goes after. [[spoiler:A World With No Boundaries]] are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] who seek to bring about a OneWorldOrder and eliminate the political boundaries that lead to fighting... It's a pity they have to use a nuke to do so.
* ''VideoGame/SigmaStarSaga'' has this in spades: you, the heroic human character, are ordered to do some pretty horrible things by your superior, while the Krill, supposedly aliens hell-bent on Earth's destruction, are actually pretty decent people (with a few glaring exceptions) who harbor no particular ill will towards Earth at all. [[spoiler:Turns out that there's a couple of {{Government Conspirac|y}}ies on ''both'' sides of the conflict who are the truly evil ones, and the vast majority of both humans and Krill are good.]]
* ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'': First there is the Damned 33rd, who can only maintain order in a crumbled society through draconian martial law; then there is the Exiled 33rd, rebelling against a leadership they view to be suicidal and insane; the Emirati insurgency, defending their people against what they see as murderous invaders; the CIA, who on Riggs' side attempt to prevent a larger war from breaking out at the cost of killing many innocent lives in the city, and on Gould's side prioritize rescuing the populace; and of course the player's faction, Delta Squad, who are only trying to "save the day". [[spoiler: Unfortunately, the conflicting interests of all these groups will result in almost everyone getting killed, in no small part due to your own actions.]]
* ''VideoGame/{{STALKER}}'': The conflict between Freedom and Duty is this, combined with OrderVersusChaos. Duty are a faction of grizzled ex-military types who believe [[EldritchLocation The Zone]] is an abomination that threatens the world and should be destroyed. Freedom are a group of anarchists and thrill-seekers that believe The Zone is a miracle that provides beneficial eldritch artifacts and therefore should be freely accessed by the public. Neither is especially nicer than the other, and they both have their share of [[Jerkass dicks]] and [[NiceGuy nice guys]].
* ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'': First there is the Damned 33rd, who can only maintain order in a crumbled society through draconian martial law; then there is the Exiled 33rd, rebelling against a leadership they view to be suicidal and insane; the Emirati insurgency, defending their people against what they see as murderous invaders; the CIA, who on Riggs' side attempt to prevent a larger war from breaking out at the cost of killing many innocent lives in the city, and on Gould's side prioritize rescuing the populace; and of course the player's faction, Delta Squad, who are only trying to "save the day". [[spoiler: Unfortunately, the conflicting interests of all these groups will result in almost everyone getting killed, in no small part due to your own actions.]]
* ''VideoGame/{{STALKER}}'': The conflict between Freedom and Duty is this, combined with OrderVersusChaos. Duty are a faction of grizzled ex-military types who believe [[EldritchLocation The Zone]] is an abomination that threatens the world and should be destroyed. Freedom are a group of anarchists and thrill-seekers that believe The Zone is a miracle that provides beneficial eldritch artifacts and therefore should be freely accessed by the public. Neither is especially nicer than the other, and they both have their share of [[Jerkass dicks]] and [[NiceGuy nice guys]].
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* The ''VideoGame/{{Fable}}'' series plays with this Trope, especially with the character of Theresa. Played straight with Logan in the third game who, like Revan, [[spoiler: became a vicious tyrant merely because he wanted to strengthen his country to fight The Crawler.]]
* Depending on how you count, there have been between 7 and 12 playable factions in the five ''VideoGame/{{Geneforge}}'' games. All except Rawal and the Barzites can make a decent argument for themselves, and all except arguably the Awakened have [[KickTheDog Kicked the Dog]] at least once.
* ''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}'' explicitly invokes this trope. Both TheFederation and the CorruptChurch have a significant amount of innocent blood on their hands. Shion and her allies are frankly little different than Margulis' crew, all the Testaments believe they are bringing about a perfect universe for humanity, and [[BigBad Wilhelm]] manipulated all of history into a StableTimeLoop in order to keep the universe from dissipating entirely.
* The companies Reliable Excavation and Demolition and Builder's League United in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' are an interesting case - the motives and morality of both sides are [[MirroringFactions Identical]]. It isn't grey-on-grey, though because the motives and morality of both sides seem to be "World Domination", and "In The Gutter", respectively, making it [[CrapsackWorld black-on-black]].
** Considering the Evil Overlady announcer voice is identical for both sides, there is a potential possibility -- later eventually confirmed by official tie-in comics -- that both teams are working for the same boss.
* Depending on how you count, there have been between 7 and 12 playable factions in the five ''VideoGame/{{Geneforge}}'' games. All except Rawal and the Barzites can make a decent argument for themselves, and all except arguably the Awakened have [[KickTheDog Kicked the Dog]] at least once.
* ''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}'' explicitly invokes this trope. Both TheFederation and the CorruptChurch have a significant amount of innocent blood on their hands. Shion and her allies are frankly little different than Margulis' crew, all the Testaments believe they are bringing about a perfect universe for humanity, and [[BigBad Wilhelm]] manipulated all of history into a StableTimeLoop in order to keep the universe from dissipating entirely.
* The companies Reliable Excavation and Demolition and Builder's League United in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' are an interesting case - the motives and morality of both sides are [[MirroringFactions Identical]]. It isn't grey-on-grey, though because the motives and morality of both sides seem to be "World Domination", and "In The Gutter", respectively, making it [[CrapsackWorld black-on-black]].
** Considering the Evil Overlady announcer voice is identical for both sides, there is a potential possibility -- later eventually confirmed by official tie-in comics -- that both teams are working for the same boss.
* This is the theme of the ''VideoGame/TalesSeries'' series. Ever since ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'', the seemingly vilest of antagonists has at minimum a lofty goal in mind, and the most noble of protagonists is either hiding something, misguided or aiding and abetting someone who is either hiding something or misguided.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'': Dhaos [[WellIntentionedExtremist only wanted to revive his dying world of Derris-Kharlan]] using the mana seed of Aselia, but his brutal methods and refusal to explain his side until it was too late is the only thing keeping Cless and his allies from becoming {{Villain Protagonist}}s.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 Destiny 2]]'': [[spoiler: Fortuna]] isn't all that evil. She wants to give eternal happiness to humanity. At worst, she has BlueAndOrangeMorality, being a goddess. She has two saints, one wanting humanity to decide how to best make its own happiness and the other being a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood is the only answer. They both want to save the world, they just have very different ways of going about it. The heroes aren't all squeaky clean either- While Kyle genuinely wants to be a hero, Judas [[spoiler: was a nasty traitor in his past life]] and Harold is a ComedicSociopath who joined the quest [[RageAgainstTheHeavens for]] [[ItAmusedMe kicks]], while Loni's a NobleBigot. Also, while [[spoiler: Elraine's]] methods are over the top, the people in her cities ''were'' happy with their lives.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Symphonia]]'': [[spoiler:Mithos]] simply wanted to save the world [[KnightTemplar from its own racist self]] by holding back progress and running "human ranches", and everything else he does is either for this for [[spoiler: Martel's sake]]. [[IdiotHero Lloyd's]] actions lead to much death and destruction as he changes the system, and [[spoiler:Mithos]]'s fears of technological abuse [[AndManGrewProud is proven right]], as the next 4000 years between ''Symphonia'' and ''Phantasia'' can attest to.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of which has caused the destruction of his native Hod. Mohs is determined to follow it to the letter, believing it to be the Auldrant's ''only'' path to progress. On the heroes' side, [[SpoiledBrat Luke]] is a {{Jerkass}} extraordinaire, [[MysteriousWaif Tear]] keeps to herself all the time, [[TheLancer Guy]] trusts [[spoiler:Van]], Jade was once a morally-ambiguous scientist, [[GoldDigger Anise]] is a gold-digger [[spoiler:with good reason]], and [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Natalia]] is [[spoiler:revealed to be an adopted commoner]]. The only thing that kept Luke and company with ALighterShadeOfGrey is CharacterDevelopment (especially Luke's traumatic transformation from SpoiledBrat to NiceGuy).
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Vesperia]]'': Alexei wanted to use Zaude to [[spoiler:force the world to stop its reliance on blastia which is slowly killing it -- unaware that it is actually ''the'' seal to an EldritchAbomination]]. Yeager is an amoral mercenary who [[spoiler:gives his earnings to an orphanage and has adopted two girls to be his sidekicks]]. On the heroes' side, [[VigilanteMan Yuri]] is more than willing to [[NecessarilyEvil stain his hands with blood in the name of justice]], while [[KnightInShiningArmor Flynn]] believes in the power of law and order [[LawfulStupid to the point of overlooking the basics of morality]]. As for the overarching plot, it comes down to a debate between preservation of nature at humanity's expense versus alteration of nature to suit human needs at expense of other lifeforms.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria Berseria]]'': On the playable, good guys side, you have the AntiHeroTeam of criminals and terrorists led by Velvet Crowe, [[spoiler:the first Lord of Calamity]], who has a single-minded obsession with revenge against the BigBad and is perfectly willing to kill anyone in her way but has a softer side, versus [[TragicVillain Artorius]], a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to bring about a WorldOfSilence to save humanity from the threat of Malevolence. Neither side is truly good or truly bad.
* The companies Reliable Excavation and Demolition and Builder's League United in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' are an interesting case - the motives and morality of both sides are [[MirroringFactions Identical]]. It isn't grey-on-grey, though because the motives and morality of both sides seem to be "World Domination", and "In The Gutter", respectively, making it [[CrapsackWorld black-on-black]].
** Considering the Evil Overlady announcer voice is identical for both sides, there is a potential possibility -- later eventually confirmed by official tie-in comics -- that both teams are working for the same boss.
* In the story of ''VideoGame/{{Warframe}}'', the Tenno first seem like the saviors of a system in terrible need of them, fighting against the corrupt Corpus and the imperious Grineer. Looking closer at their objectives, however, reveals that the factions all have their reasons for wanting to succeed. The Grineer want to control the system with the rules and boundaries that fell apart after the Orokin empire's fall, while the Corpus want to revive the fallen Orokin technology and bring mankind back into prominence. The Tenno even get a case of WhatTheHellHero when it's revealed that they are the ones who destroyed the Orokin empire in the first place and so caused the system to fall into its disrepair. Later updates, however, move things closer to BlackAndGreyMorality, revealing, among other things, [[spoiler:that the Grineer are actually being lead by two surviving Orokin, that the Corpus is essentially a merchant cult whose leaders tried to murder their founder for being too nice, that the Orokin were some of the worst AbusivePrecursors in all fiction, and that the Tenno wiped out the Orokin because of the innumerable number of atrocities the golden lords committed on both the Tenno and the innocents of the Origin System]]. Furthermore, Tenno's ArchEnemy, the Sentients, are about to return to the system, and the Tenno are the only ones trying to take proactive steps toward repelling the Sentients for the sake of the colonies in the Origin System, while everyone else is instead trying to exploit the return of the Sentients for their own benefit. The introduction of [[LaResistance Solaris United]] in the Fortuna update, though, ultimately laid the moral ambiguity of the Tenno to rest - the actions taken to help the Solaris, up to and including ''freeing them from debt slavery by paying off and annulling their debts'', cements the Tenno as being true heroes. While there is still plenty of room for grey between the various syndicates in the system (all of whom want to fix things but have clashing plans for doing so), the Tenno are firmly shown to be in the white.
* When it comes to player races, ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' is surprisingly nuanced in terms of morality. Not only do all of the races indulge in truly unpleasant spin-off factions that can be killed by both sides, but you'll also find yourself accidentally doing unpleasant things for your allies, who often turn out to be sadists, murderers, and major, MAJOR extremists who wipe out villages, torture prisoners and murder the innocent.
** With hindsight, you've probably helped to destroy a few small and insignificant outposts yourself in the name of preventing further expansion.
*** In one example in the Stonetalon Mountains, you join Krom'Gar's army and work your way up through his ranks. He then murders some innocents and drops a FantasticNuke on the land. He's executed, and you nearly get executed by Garrosh too for all the help you inadvertently gave him while questing eagerly for ranks. Whenever you realise that you've been helping a total psycho, it's something of an OhCrap moment.
** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves, and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
* ''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}'' explicitly invokes this trope. Both TheFederation and the CorruptChurch have a significant amount of innocent blood on their hands. Shion and her allies are frankly little different than Margulis' crew, all the Testaments believe they are bringing about a perfect universe for humanity, and [[BigBad Wilhelm]] manipulated all of history into a StableTimeLoop in order to keep the universe from dissipating entirely.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia Phantasia]]'': Dhaos [[WellIntentionedExtremist only wanted to revive his dying world of Derris-Kharlan]] using the mana seed of Aselia, but his brutal methods and refusal to explain his side until it was too late is the only thing keeping Cless and his allies from becoming {{Villain Protagonist}}s.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny2 Destiny 2]]'': [[spoiler: Fortuna]] isn't all that evil. She wants to give eternal happiness to humanity. At worst, she has BlueAndOrangeMorality, being a goddess. She has two saints, one wanting humanity to decide how to best make its own happiness and the other being a WellIntentionedExtremist who thinks BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood is the only answer. They both want to save the world, they just have very different ways of going about it. The heroes aren't all squeaky clean either- While Kyle genuinely wants to be a hero, Judas [[spoiler: was a nasty traitor in his past life]] and Harold is a ComedicSociopath who joined the quest [[RageAgainstTheHeavens for]] [[ItAmusedMe kicks]], while Loni's a NobleBigot. Also, while [[spoiler: Elraine's]] methods are over the top, the people in her cities ''were'' happy with their lives.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia Symphonia]]'': [[spoiler:Mithos]] simply wanted to save the world [[KnightTemplar from its own racist self]] by holding back progress and running "human ranches", and everything else he does is either for this for [[spoiler: Martel's sake]]. [[IdiotHero Lloyd's]] actions lead to much death and destruction as he changes the system, and [[spoiler:Mithos]]'s fears of technological abuse [[AndManGrewProud is proven right]], as the next 4000 years between ''Symphonia'' and ''Phantasia'' can attest to.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of which has caused the destruction of his native Hod. Mohs is determined to follow it to the letter, believing it to be the Auldrant's ''only'' path to progress. On the heroes' side, [[SpoiledBrat Luke]] is a {{Jerkass}} extraordinaire, [[MysteriousWaif Tear]] keeps to herself all the time, [[TheLancer Guy]] trusts [[spoiler:Van]], Jade was once a morally-ambiguous scientist, [[GoldDigger Anise]] is a gold-digger [[spoiler:with good reason]], and [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Natalia]] is [[spoiler:revealed to be an adopted commoner]]. The only thing that kept Luke and company with ALighterShadeOfGrey is CharacterDevelopment (especially Luke's traumatic transformation from SpoiledBrat to NiceGuy).
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia Vesperia]]'': Alexei wanted to use Zaude to [[spoiler:force the world to stop its reliance on blastia which is slowly killing it -- unaware that it is actually ''the'' seal to an EldritchAbomination]]. Yeager is an amoral mercenary who [[spoiler:gives his earnings to an orphanage and has adopted two girls to be his sidekicks]]. On the heroes' side, [[VigilanteMan Yuri]] is more than willing to [[NecessarilyEvil stain his hands with blood in the name of justice]], while [[KnightInShiningArmor Flynn]] believes in the power of law and order [[LawfulStupid to the point of overlooking the basics of morality]]. As for the overarching plot, it comes down to a debate between preservation of nature at humanity's expense versus alteration of nature to suit human needs at expense of other lifeforms.
** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria Berseria]]'': On the playable, good guys side, you have the AntiHeroTeam of criminals and terrorists led by Velvet Crowe, [[spoiler:the first Lord of Calamity]], who has a single-minded obsession with revenge against the BigBad and is perfectly willing to kill anyone in her way but has a softer side, versus [[TragicVillain Artorius]], a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to bring about a WorldOfSilence to save humanity from the threat of Malevolence. Neither side is truly good or truly bad.
* The companies Reliable Excavation and Demolition and Builder's League United in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' are an interesting case - the motives and morality of both sides are [[MirroringFactions Identical]]. It isn't grey-on-grey, though because the motives and morality of both sides seem to be "World Domination", and "In The Gutter", respectively, making it [[CrapsackWorld black-on-black]].
** Considering the Evil Overlady announcer voice is identical for both sides, there is a potential possibility -- later eventually confirmed by official tie-in comics -- that both teams are working for the same boss.
* In the story of ''VideoGame/{{Warframe}}'', the Tenno first seem like the saviors of a system in terrible need of them, fighting against the corrupt Corpus and the imperious Grineer. Looking closer at their objectives, however, reveals that the factions all have their reasons for wanting to succeed. The Grineer want to control the system with the rules and boundaries that fell apart after the Orokin empire's fall, while the Corpus want to revive the fallen Orokin technology and bring mankind back into prominence. The Tenno even get a case of WhatTheHellHero when it's revealed that they are the ones who destroyed the Orokin empire in the first place and so caused the system to fall into its disrepair. Later updates, however, move things closer to BlackAndGreyMorality, revealing, among other things, [[spoiler:that the Grineer are actually being lead by two surviving Orokin, that the Corpus is essentially a merchant cult whose leaders tried to murder their founder for being too nice, that the Orokin were some of the worst AbusivePrecursors in all fiction, and that the Tenno wiped out the Orokin because of the innumerable number of atrocities the golden lords committed on both the Tenno and the innocents of the Origin System]]. Furthermore, Tenno's ArchEnemy, the Sentients, are about to return to the system, and the Tenno are the only ones trying to take proactive steps toward repelling the Sentients for the sake of the colonies in the Origin System, while everyone else is instead trying to exploit the return of the Sentients for their own benefit. The introduction of [[LaResistance Solaris United]] in the Fortuna update, though, ultimately laid the moral ambiguity of the Tenno to rest - the actions taken to help the Solaris, up to and including ''freeing them from debt slavery by paying off and annulling their debts'', cements the Tenno as being true heroes. While there is still plenty of room for grey between the various syndicates in the system (all of whom want to fix things but have clashing plans for doing so), the Tenno are firmly shown to be in the white.
* When it comes to player races, ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' is surprisingly nuanced in terms of morality. Not only do all of the races indulge in truly unpleasant spin-off factions that can be killed by both sides, but you'll also find yourself accidentally doing unpleasant things for your allies, who often turn out to be sadists, murderers, and major, MAJOR extremists who wipe out villages, torture prisoners and murder the innocent.
** With hindsight, you've probably helped to destroy a few small and insignificant outposts yourself in the name of preventing further expansion.
*** In one example in the Stonetalon Mountains, you join Krom'Gar's army and work your way up through his ranks. He then murders some innocents and drops a FantasticNuke on the land. He's executed, and you nearly get executed by Garrosh too for all the help you inadvertently gave him while questing eagerly for ranks. Whenever you realise that you've been helping a total psycho, it's something of an OhCrap moment.
** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves, and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
* ''VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}}'' explicitly invokes this trope. Both TheFederation and the CorruptChurch have a significant amount of innocent blood on their hands. Shion and her allies are frankly little different than Margulis' crew, all the Testaments believe they are bringing about a perfect universe for humanity, and [[BigBad Wilhelm]] manipulated all of history into a StableTimeLoop in order to keep the universe from dissipating entirely.
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* ''VideoGame/SigmaStarSaga'' has this in spades: you, the heroic human character, are ordered to do some pretty horrible things by your superior, while the Krill, supposedly aliens hell-bent on Earth's destruction, are actually pretty decent people (with a few glaring exceptions) who harbor no particular ill will towards Earth at all. [[spoiler:Turns out that there's a couple of {{Government Conspirac|y}}ies on ''both'' sides of the conflict who are the truly evil ones, and the vast majority of both humans and Krill are good.]]
* ''VideoGame/ArTonelicoIIMelodyOfMetafalica'' is a great example. Despite the fact that almost every character holds the same moral stance from beginning to end, pretty much every antagonist in the game will be considered a valuable ally at some point and nearly every ally gets a respectable stint as an antagonist. Even TheHero is arguably a WellIntentionedExtremist, and the closest character to true evil is a foreigner trying to save his homeland.
* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' probably qualifies:
** The [[TheFederation UNSC]] is fundamentally well-intentioned, but somewhat heavy-handed with its colonies, and willing to resort to questionable methods for survival. [[spoiler: Up to and including the abduction, conditioning, and armament of the children of its own citizens, completely ''incognito'' of course.]]
** The [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized Insurrectionists]] had legitimate grievances with the authoritarian facets of the UNSC's administration of the colonies, but an extremist methodology, which includes ''nuking civilians'', puts them squarely in the terrorist camp.
** The [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Covenant's]] highly corrupt (and in some cases, possibly borderline insane) ruling class is conducting a war of extermination against humanity, but the rest of its members are either [[CorruptChurch misguided by religious fervor]], [[SlaveMooks expendable slaves for all intents and purposes]], otherwise coerced into serving the Covenant, or simply [[PunchClockVillain mercenaries with no real grudge against humans]]. Even the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Brutes]], who tend to be relatively [[BloodKnight aggressive and violent by nature]], have been portrayed sympathetically in a number of expanded universe works. Indeed, once the Covenant falls apart at the end of ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', a number of its former members go on to happily work with humans.
** The [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]] did mostly genuinely believe in the Mantle, their core ideology that revolved around protecting the galaxy and its inhabitants, but their technological superiority eventually turned them into arrogant, socially stagnant imperialists who kept their client species weak and subservient, and when [[TheVirus the Flood]] came knocking, they could ultimately only protect the galaxy by wiping out ''all'' unindexed life in the galaxy in a desperate last resort plan -- which could be interpreted as a HeroicSacrifice or the cost of their foolishness, depending on how idealistic/cynical one is.
** The [[ZombieApocalypse Flood]] has killed and infected trillions of people, but the [[EldritchAbomination Gravemind]] sincerely believes that he simply [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans brings peace and prosperity]] to a galaxy which simply doesn't understand the Flood due to ignorance and fear... [[spoiler:though ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' muddles this somewhat by directly noting that the Flood were created as a form of ''revenge'' against the Forerunners by their own Precursors]].
* ''VideoGame/ArTonelicoIIMelodyOfMetafalica'' is a great example. Despite the fact that almost every character holds the same moral stance from beginning to end, pretty much every antagonist in the game will be considered a valuable ally at some point and nearly every ally gets a respectable stint as an antagonist. Even TheHero is arguably a WellIntentionedExtremist, and the closest character to true evil is a foreigner trying to save his homeland.
* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' probably qualifies:
** The [[TheFederation UNSC]] is fundamentally well-intentioned, but somewhat heavy-handed with its colonies, and willing to resort to questionable methods for survival. [[spoiler: Up to and including the abduction, conditioning, and armament of the children of its own citizens, completely ''incognito'' of course.]]
** The [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized Insurrectionists]] had legitimate grievances with the authoritarian facets of the UNSC's administration of the colonies, but an extremist methodology, which includes ''nuking civilians'', puts them squarely in the terrorist camp.
** The [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Covenant's]] highly corrupt (and in some cases, possibly borderline insane) ruling class is conducting a war of extermination against humanity, but the rest of its members are either [[CorruptChurch misguided by religious fervor]], [[SlaveMooks expendable slaves for all intents and purposes]], otherwise coerced into serving the Covenant, or simply [[PunchClockVillain mercenaries with no real grudge against humans]]. Even the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Brutes]], who tend to be relatively [[BloodKnight aggressive and violent by nature]], have been portrayed sympathetically in a number of expanded universe works. Indeed, once the Covenant falls apart at the end of ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', a number of its former members go on to happily work with humans.
** The [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]] did mostly genuinely believe in the Mantle, their core ideology that revolved around protecting the galaxy and its inhabitants, but their technological superiority eventually turned them into arrogant, socially stagnant imperialists who kept their client species weak and subservient, and when [[TheVirus the Flood]] came knocking, they could ultimately only protect the galaxy by wiping out ''all'' unindexed life in the galaxy in a desperate last resort plan -- which could be interpreted as a HeroicSacrifice or the cost of their foolishness, depending on how idealistic/cynical one is.
** The [[ZombieApocalypse Flood]] has killed and infected trillions of people, but the [[EldritchAbomination Gravemind]] sincerely believes that he simply [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans brings peace and prosperity]] to a galaxy which simply doesn't understand the Flood due to ignorance and fear... [[spoiler:though ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' muddles this somewhat by directly noting that the Flood were created as a form of ''revenge'' against the Forerunners by their own Precursors]].
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* ''VideoGame/ArTonelicoIIMelodyOfMetafalica'' is a great example. Despite the fact that almost every character holds the same moral stance from beginning to end, pretty much every antagonist in the game will be considered a valuable ally at some point and nearly every ally gets a respectable stint as an antagonist. Even TheHero is arguably a WellIntentionedExtremist, and the closest character to true evil is a foreigner trying to save his homeland.
* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' probably qualifies:
** The [[TheFederation UNSC]] is fundamentally well-intentioned, but somewhat heavy-handed with its colonies, and willing to resort to questionable methods for survival. [[spoiler: Up to and including the abduction, conditioning, and armament of the children of its own citizens, completely ''incognito'' of course.]]
** The [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized Insurrectionists]] had legitimate grievances with the authoritarian facets of the UNSC's administration of the colonies, but an extremist methodology, which includes ''nuking civilians'', puts them squarely in the terrorist camp.
** The [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Covenant's]] highly corrupt (and in some cases, possibly borderline insane) ruling class is conducting a war of extermination against humanity, but the rest of its members are either [[CorruptChurch misguided by religious fervor]], [[SlaveMooks expendable slaves for all intents and purposes]], otherwise coerced into serving the Covenant, or simply [[PunchClockVillain mercenaries with no real grudge against humans]]. Even the [[KillerSpaceMonkey Brutes]], who tend to be relatively [[BloodKnight aggressive and violent by nature]], have been portrayed sympathetically in a number of expanded universe works. Indeed, once the Covenant falls apart at the end of ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'', a number of its former members go on to happily work with humans.
** The [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]] did mostly genuinely believe in the Mantle, their core ideology that revolved around protecting the galaxy and its inhabitants, but their technological superiority eventually turned them into arrogant, socially stagnant imperialists who kept their client species weak and subservient, and when [[TheVirus the Flood]] came knocking, they could ultimately only protect the galaxy by wiping out ''all'' unindexed life in the galaxy in a desperate last resort plan -- which could be interpreted as a HeroicSacrifice or the cost of their foolishness, depending on how idealistic/cynical one is.
** The [[ZombieApocalypse Flood]] has killed and infected trillions of people, but the [[EldritchAbomination Gravemind]] sincerely believes that he simply [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans brings peace and prosperity]] to a galaxy which simply doesn't understand the Flood due to ignorance and fear... [[spoiler:though ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' muddles this somewhat by directly noting that the Flood were created as a form of ''revenge'' against the Forerunners by their own Precursors]].
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** In the Third Game, the conflict between the two factions of Kirin/Gunvolt and Zed boils down to this. On one hand, Zed and his group did launch an invasion without warning. However, on the other hand, Sumeragi did hid the fact that they were holding Mobius underground in a facility no one knew about. And Mobius was a being capable of writing reality on a whim. And is obviously too dangerous to be left alone. As one wrong move from Mobius could spell the EndOfTheWorld. So naturally, caution is warranted. Also apart from Zed, the FinalBoss of Gunvolt 1 [[MindOverMatter Nova]] returns as an OptionalBoss. During the conversation in the battle, Gunvolt does admit that he regrets not trying harder to negotiate and find a middle ground. Given how every time he defeats a BigBad, a newer and more dangerous one shows up to take it's place, it's understandable.
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** In the Third Game, the conflict in the second half between the two factions of Kirin/Gunvolt and Zed boils down to this. [[spoiler: On one hand, Zed and his group did launch an invasion without warning. warning and devastated key areas of Japan. However, on the other hand, Sumeragi did hid hide the fact that they were holding Mobius [[FinalBoss Mobius]] underground in a facility no one knew about. And Mobius was a being capable of writing reality on a whim. And is obviously too dangerous to be left alone. As one wrong move from Mobius [[GooGooGodLike Mobius]] could spell the EndOfTheWorld. EndOfTheWorld.]] So naturally, caution is warranted. Also apart from Zed, the FinalBoss of Gunvolt 1 [[MindOverMatter Nova]] returns as an OptionalBoss. During the conversation in the battle, Gunvolt does admit that he regrets not trying harder to negotiate and find a middle ground. Given how every time he defeats a BigBad, a newer and more dangerous one shows up to take it's place, it's understandable.
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** In the Third Game, the conflict between the two factions of Kirin/Gunvolt and Zed boils down to this. On one hand, Zed and his group did launch an invasion without warning. However, on the other hand, Sumeragi did hid the fact that they were holding Mobius underground in a facility no one knew about. And Mobius was a being capable of writing reality on a whim. And is obviously too dangerous to be left alone. As one wrong move from Mobius could spell the EndOfTheWorld. So naturally, caution is warranted. Also apart from Zed, the FinalBoss of Gunvolt 1 [[MindOverMatter Nova]] returns as an OptionalBoss. During the conversation in the battle, Gunvolt does admit that he regrets not trying harder to negotiate and find a middle ground. Given how every time he defeats a BigBad, a newer and more dangerous one shows up to take it's place, it's understandable.
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''VideoGame/GenshinImpact''. The entire relationship between Celestial and the Abyss Order can be summed up as this.On one hand, Celestial's actions of punishing the entire of Khaenri'ah for the actions of a specific group is going too far. Man, woman and child, none of them was spared from a terrible curse. However, at the same time, Khaenri'ah was responsible for the Cataclysm. An apocalyptic event that almost brought the EndOfTheWorld. Every nation suffered terribly for it, with their people either being killed, or even forced to suffer a FateWorseThanDeath. Even after 500 years in present day, the [[PlayerCharacter Traveler]] is still helping the world through the damages it brought about. The extend of the damage it brought about was so extensive, there is no way to justify the damage Khaenri'ah did.
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''VideoGame/GenshinImpact''. The entire relationship between Celestial and the Abyss Order can be summed up as this.On one hand, Celestial's actions of punishing the entire of Khaenri'ah for the actions of a specific group is going too far. Man, woman and child, none of them was spared from a terrible curse. However, at the same time, Khaenri'ah was responsible for the Cataclysm. An apocalyptic event that almost brought about the EndOfTheWorld. Every nation suffered terribly for it, with their people either being killed, or even forced to suffer a FateWorseThanDeath. Even after 500 years in present day, the [[PlayerCharacter Traveler]] is still helping the world through the damages it brought about. The extend of the damage it brought about was so extensive, there is no way to justify the damage Khaenri'ah did.
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''VideoGame/GenshinImpact''. The entire relationship between Celestial and the Abyss Order can be summed up as this.On one hand, Celestial's actions of punishing the entire of Khaenri'ah for the actions of a specific group is going too far. Man, woman and child, none of them was spared from a terrible curse. However, at the same time, Khaenri'ah was responsible for the Cataclysm. An apocalyptic event that almost brought the EndOfTheWorld. Every nation suffered terribly for it, with their people either being killed, or even forced to suffer a FateWorseThanDeath. Even after 500 years in present day, the [[PlayerCharacter Traveler]] is still helping the world through the damages it brought about. The extend of the damage it brought about was so extensive, there is no way to justify the damage Khaenri'ah did.
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* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' has this, hard: The New California Republic is well-intentioned and filled with good people, but are ruthless expansionists, suffocated by bureaucracy and corruption, and would be spread way too thin to bring true safety to the Mojave Wasteland. Mr. House is genuine in his desire to rebuild lawful civilization and has the intelligence and resources to do so, but only cares about New Vegas and enforces his laws with an iron fist, ruthlessly executing anyone who opposes his rule. The Legion is a group of [[ScienceIsBad regressive]], misogynistic and violent Slavers who are held together by [[CultOfPersonality one intelligent man]], but are [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans the only group capable of enforcing genuine security within the Mojave Wasteland]] and would actually be a boon to travelling merchants. The Wild Card route allows the PlayerCharacter to take over New Vegas themselves, but this requires the murder of Mr. House and there is nothing to indicate that they can succeed where the other factions would fail.
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* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' has this, hard: The New California Republic is well-intentioned and filled with good people, but are ruthless expansionists, suffocated by bureaucracy and corruption, and would be spread way too thin to bring true safety to the Mojave Wasteland. Mr. House is genuine in his desire to rebuild lawful civilization and has the intelligence and resources to do so, but only cares about New Vegas and enforces his laws with an iron fist, ruthlessly executing anyone who opposes his rule. The Legion is a group of [[ScienceIsBad regressive]], misogynistic and violent Slavers who are held together by [[CultOfPersonality one intelligent man]], but are [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans the only group capable of enforcing genuine security within the Mojave Wasteland]] and would actually be a boon to travelling merchants. The Wild Card route allows the PlayerCharacter to take over New Vegas themselves, but this requires the murder of Mr. House and there is nothing to indicate that they can succeed where the other factions would fail. The only completely evil faction is The Legion.
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** Although ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1'' averts this [[spoiler:at least once Zanza gets involved]], ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' does show quite a few shades of it. Mor Ardain is aggressively expansionist and has a few corrupt officials running around, [[spoiler:but they're only expanding to find a new homeland as their Titan is dying and the king who runs the whole thing is a good man]]. Uraya seems to be better than Mor Ardain, but they seem unusually reluctant to cool tensions between the two nations [[spoiler:even after negotiations in Indol]], and the nation as a whole suffers from severe social stratification between the haves and have-nots. The people of Tantal are starving to death and their rulers (who are descendants of Addam) [[spoiler:actually aren't even descendants of Addam, but they have to pay off debts to Indol and keep Ophion in check so no one can repeat what Amalthus did and grab an Aegis]]. Torna runs the gamut from OmnicidalManiac ([[spoiler:Malos]]) to WellIntentionedExtremist ([[spoiler:Jin]]), and the good intentions of the heroes [[spoiler:are massively offset by the fact that they're purely on their journey because Pyra and Mythra [[DeathSeeker want to die]].]] The only truly good or bad groups are the heroes as the former, [[spoiler:and Amalthus and Malos as the latter, and the latter villain's case is purely because of the former.]]
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** ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' is a subverted example. The war between Keves and Agnus is Grey on gray, and is pointed out as such by the protagonists. However, the true conflict of the game is between the Ouroboros and [[spoiler:Moebius, and minus a TokenGoodTeammate on their part]] is decidedly BlackAndWhiteMorality.
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** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of which has caused the destruction of his native Hod. Mohs is determined to follow it to the letter, believing it to be the Auldrant's ''only'' path to progress. On the heroes' side, [[SpoiledBrat Luke]] is a {{Jerkass}} extraordinaire, [[MysteriousWaif Tear]] keeps to herself all the time, [[TheLancer Guy]] trusts [[spoiler:Van]], [[HotScientist Jade]] was once a morally-ambiguous scientist, [[GoldDigger Anise]] is a gold-digger [[spoiler:with good reason]], and [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Natalia]] is [[spoiler:revealed to be an adopted commoner]]. The only thing that kept Luke and company with ALighterShadeOfGrey is CharacterDevelopment (especially Luke's traumatic transformation from SpoiledBrat to NiceGuy).
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** ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss Abyss]]'': [[spoiler:Van]] only wanted to ScrewDestiny and destroy the Score, the near-mindless obedience of which has caused the destruction of his native Hod. Mohs is determined to follow it to the letter, believing it to be the Auldrant's ''only'' path to progress. On the heroes' side, [[SpoiledBrat Luke]] is a {{Jerkass}} extraordinaire, [[MysteriousWaif Tear]] keeps to herself all the time, [[TheLancer Guy]] trusts [[spoiler:Van]], [[HotScientist Jade]] Jade was once a morally-ambiguous scientist, [[GoldDigger Anise]] is a gold-digger [[spoiler:with good reason]], and [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Natalia]] is [[spoiler:revealed to be an adopted commoner]]. The only thing that kept Luke and company with ALighterShadeOfGrey is CharacterDevelopment (especially Luke's traumatic transformation from SpoiledBrat to NiceGuy).
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', the Tenpenny Tower quest has this. On one hand, you have the residents of Tenpenny Tower, who are (mostly) a bunch of arrogant bigots... but, they have a ''point'' that ghouls are generally dangerous and unpredictable, and this band in particular are hardened raiders from the Wasteland; how do they know it'd be safe to let them in? On the other hand, you have Roy Phillips and his ghouls, ruthless raiders who do have a point that they are being held at bay from living in a safe, comfortable environment purely because they're not exactly human anymore. Both sides are perfectly willing to bribe the player into slaughtering the other for them. [[spoiler: And if the player negotiates a truce, the ghouls promptly take advantage of having been allowed inside to murder all the humans for themselves, even those who support their entry.]] It's not a very ''well-handled'' example and has attracted a ''lot'' of scorn from players.
** In the DLC "The Pitt", the two factions the Lone Wanderer encounters fit this trope. Wernher, leader of the slave rebellion, wants to steal the cure to the mutations that ravage The Pitt to use it as a bargaining chip for the slaves' freedom. Even when he finds out what that 'cure' is, he's still determined to exploit it, no matter what. Ashur, ruler of the Pitt, considers his Raider army and slave workforce necessary evils that gave The Pitt safety and industrial power; he hopes to use the drug to cure his constituents [[spoiler:(a cure taken from his own daughter, who was born immune to the radiation)]], allowing them to bear healthy children which would grow to eventually replace slave labor with a homegrown workforce. The player can side with either faction. Like the Tenpenny Tower quest above, fans generally find it very hamfisted in its handling.
** In the DLC "The Pitt", the two factions the Lone Wanderer encounters fit this trope. Wernher, leader of the slave rebellion, wants to steal the cure to the mutations that ravage The Pitt to use it as a bargaining chip for the slaves' freedom. Even when he finds out what that 'cure' is, he's still determined to exploit it, no matter what. Ashur, ruler of the Pitt, considers his Raider army and slave workforce necessary evils that gave The Pitt safety and industrial power; he hopes to use the drug to cure his constituents [[spoiler:(a cure taken from his own daughter, who was born immune to the radiation)]], allowing them to bear healthy children which would grow to eventually replace slave labor with a homegrown workforce. The player can side with either faction. Like the Tenpenny Tower quest above, fans generally find it very hamfisted in its handling.
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'', the Tenpenny Tower quest has this. On one hand, you have the residents of Tenpenny Tower, who are (mostly) a bunch of arrogant bigots... but, they have a ''point'' that ghouls are generally dangerous and unpredictable, and this band in particular are hardened raiders from the Wasteland; how do they know it'd be safe to let them in? On the other hand, you have Roy Phillips and his ghouls, ruthless raiders who do have a point that they are being held at bay from living in a safe, comfortable environment purely because they're not exactly human anymore. Both sides are perfectly willing to bribe the player into slaughtering the other for them. [[spoiler: And if the player negotiates a truce, the ghouls promptly take advantage of having been allowed inside to murder all the humans for themselves, even those who support their entry.]] It's not a very ''well-handled'' example and has attracted a ''lot'' of scorn from players.
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** In the DLC "The Pitt", the two factions the Lone Wanderer encounters fit this trope. Wernher, leader of the slave rebellion, wants to steal the cure to the mutations that ravage The Pitt to use it as a bargaining chip for the slaves' freedom. Even when he finds out what that 'cure' is, he's still determined to exploit it, no matter what. Ashur, ruler of the Pitt, considers his Raider army and slave workforce necessary evils that gave The Pitt safety and industrial power; he hopes to use the drug to cure his constituents [[spoiler:(a cure taken from his own daughter, who was born immune to the radiation)]], allowing them to bear healthy children which would grow to eventually replace slave labor with a homegrown workforce. The player can side with either faction.Like the Tenpenny Tower quest above, fans generally find it very hamfisted in its handling.
** In the DLC "The Pitt", the two factions the Lone Wanderer encounters fit this trope. Wernher, leader of the slave rebellion, wants to steal the cure to the mutations that ravage The Pitt to use it as a bargaining chip for the slaves' freedom. Even when he finds out what that 'cure' is, he's still determined to exploit it, no matter what. Ashur, ruler of the Pitt, considers his Raider army and slave workforce necessary evils that gave The Pitt safety and industrial power; he hopes to use the drug to cure his constituents [[spoiler:(a cure taken from his own daughter, who was born immune to the radiation)]], allowing them to bear healthy children which would grow to eventually replace slave labor with a homegrown workforce. The player can side with either faction.
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** ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' is a subverted example. The war between Keves and Agnus is Grey on gray, and is pointed out as such by the protagonists. However, the true conflict of the game is between the Ouroboros and [[spoiler:Moebius, and minus a TokenGoodTeammate on their part]] is decidedly BlackAndWhiteMorality.
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* The war between the [[OrderVersusChaos Messians and Gaians]] in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' and ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' works a little like this, if you don't see it as Evil: the former are basically a well-meaning, LawfulGood people ruled by a group of genocidal {{Knight Templar}}s, and the latter are mostly a bunch of ChaoticEvil anarchists ruled over by a few wiser demons that either want to stop the Messians from carrying out their UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans plan or wish to achieve true freedom from the oppressive reign of {{God}}. The closest thing to a compromise that you can achieve is deciding to [[KillEmAll destroy]] both groups.
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* The war between the [[OrderVersusChaos Messians and Gaians]] in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'' and ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'' works a little like this, if you don't see it as Evil: the former are basically a well-meaning, LawfulGood people ruled by a group of genocidal {{Knight Templar}}s, and the latter are mostly a bunch of ChaoticEvil anarchists ruled over by a few wiser demons that either want to stop the Messians from carrying out their UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans plan or wish to achieve true freedom from the oppressive reign of {{God}}. The closest thing to a compromise that you can achieve is deciding to [[KillEmAll destroy]] destroy both groups.
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned aforementioned Eden. While the former more or less subscribes to FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor. The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals all together]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
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** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which manages to be even grayer than its predecessor. The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals all together]].altogether]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
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** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
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** This is actually a result of lore development. In the original RealTimeStrategy games, ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' was a pretty bog-standard BlackAndWhiteMorality setup; you had the orcs, who were battle-crazed monsters who invaded from another world, and you had the humans, who were just trying to defend themselves from a surprise attack. In the second game, the orcs added the DumbMuscle Ogres and the cannibalistic HollywoodVoodoo-practicing trolls to their armies, whilst humans forged a mutual defence pact with the peaceful elves, dwarves dwarves, and gnomes. It wasn't until the third game that things became more morally complex, with the orcs being revealed as a once-peaceful, shamanistic race corrupted by dark magic and demonic influence into the monsters of prior games, and the Alliance being revealed as having thrown the surviving orcs into brutal internment camps after defeating them.
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** The prequel, ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' continues the tradition by asking you to side with one of three competing viewpoints regarding human augmentation and subsequently nudge the public interest in that direction... But you also get a fourth choice where you can refuse all of them and leave the world's to decide its own fate (of course being a prequel to the first Deus Ex, the results are pretty much foregone no matter what you decide).
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** The prequel, prequel ''VideoGame/DeusExHumanRevolution'' continues the tradition by asking you to side with one of three competing viewpoints regarding human augmentation and subsequently nudge the public interest in that direction... But you also get a fourth choice where you can refuse all of them and leave the world's world to decide its own fate (of course being a prequel to the first Deus Ex, the results are pretty much foregone no matter what you decide).
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** Subversion in the [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII three]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Ezio]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations games]]. Rodrigo is a blood-drenched tyrant, Cesare is an outright ''psychopath'', and most other Templars are butchers, extortionists, corrupt officials, thieves, usurpers, or shady schemers. There are some exceptions such as the lawyer who acted against his friends out of fear of the Medici, more humble TragicVillain, and Revelations provides a bit more grey with the more mild minded Palailogos who wants to regain his throne, or the more noble [[spoiler: Ahmet]] who was "tired of divisions". There's also mentions of how assassin non-interference with overarching politics led to some defections in the ranks. But overall, the templars are not portrayed in a very positive light. Meanwhile, Ezio originally joined the assassins for revenge but grew into their talks of freedom and equality over the course of his life, and not only proves his heroism countless times and transforms Rome from a broken-down slum to a beautiful, thriving metropolis pretty much singlehandedly. His Brotherhood becomes a force of good throughout Europe and much of Asia, promoting science and the arts, defending against invaders, and undertaking numerous public works projects.
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** Subversion in the [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII three]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Ezio]] [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations games]]. Rodrigo is a blood-drenched tyrant, Cesare is an outright ''psychopath'', and most other Templars are butchers, extortionists, corrupt officials, thieves, usurpers, or shady schemers. There are some exceptions such as the lawyer who acted against his friends out of fear of the Medici, more humble TragicVillain, and Revelations provides a bit more grey with the more mild minded mild-minded Palailogos who wants to regain his throne, or the more noble [[spoiler: Ahmet]] who was "tired of divisions". There's also mentions of how assassin non-interference with overarching politics led to some defections in the ranks. But overall, the templars are not portrayed in a very positive light. Meanwhile, Ezio originally joined the assassins for revenge but grew into their talks of freedom and equality over the course of his life, and not only proves his heroism countless times and transforms Rome from a broken-down slum to a beautiful, thriving metropolis pretty much singlehandedly. His Brotherhood becomes a force of good throughout Europe and much of Asia, promoting science and the arts, defending against invaders, and undertaking numerous public works projects.
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* Used heavily in the ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' games, though it doesn't quite become apparent until ''The Lost Age'', where all the antagonists of ''The Broken Seal'' are revealed to have been working for good ends, and trying to defy a system that if left in place will result in the decline and ultimate end of the world of Weyard, but whose supporters (rightly) fear the abuse of Alchemy unleashed.
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* Used heavily in the ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'' games, though it doesn't quite become apparent until ''The Lost Age'', where all the antagonists of ''The Broken Seal'' are revealed to have been working for good ends, ends and trying to defy a system that if left in place will result in the decline and ultimate end of the world of Weyard, but whose supporters (rightly) fear the abuse of Alchemy unleashed.
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* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' features a lot throughout the course of the game. The trailer basically sums the trope in this game: "You either hang onto your morals and die or do whatever it takes to survive."
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* ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' features a lot throughout the course of the game. The trailer basically sums up the trope in this game: "You either hang onto your morals and die or do whatever it takes to survive."
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* In spite of the very clear divide painted in the promotional material, neither of the factions in ''VideoGame/WildStar'' are not entirely good nor evil. The Exile "heroes" are basically criminals and terrorists, and sink to some serious lows to have a fighting chance, the Dominion "villains" provide a highly tolerant, well-educated, and prosperous and free society to their citizens. On the other side of the coin, many Exiles are also refugees and innocent hopefuls who want to start a new life on Nexus, while the Dominion demands unconditional servitude and obedience from its citizens when called upon to serve the Empire.
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* In spite of the very clear divide painted in the promotional material, neither of the factions in ''VideoGame/WildStar'' are is not entirely good nor evil. The Exile "heroes" are basically criminals and terrorists, and sink to some serious lows to have a fighting chance, the Dominion "villains" provide a highly tolerant, well-educated, and prosperous and free society to their citizens. On the other side of the coin, many Exiles are also refugees and innocent hopefuls who want to start a new life on Nexus, while the Dominion demands unconditional servitude and obedience from its citizens when called upon to serve the Empire.
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** The fifth installment, [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]], takes place in the middle of a civil war: the Empire, after losing a war against the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]], was forced to outlaw the worship of Talos and are generally viewed as cowards who oppress the citizens of Skyrim instead of resisting the Dominion's rule. They however believe it was a war they couldn't win, and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo was necessary]] to save Skyrim and the rest of the empire and buy time to prepare for future war with the Dominion. The Empire also use a lot of flimsy excuses for their imperialism from "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim!" to [[CulturalPosturing "The Empire is the one guiding light in Tamriel and without it the other races will fall into barbarism and anarchy, including the Nords! No wait, ESPECIALLY the Nords!"]]; they also engage in some activities that would be considered war crimes to a modern audience. The Stormcloak Rebellion wants an independent kingdom and freedom of religion, but they don't consider the possibility they might have to work with the Empire to defeat the Dominion, and are also ultranationalists who dangerously border outright racism [[FantasticRacism and confine the Argonians, Khajiit, and Dark Elves to slums]]. In the defense of that last point, the Argonians and Dunmer are ancestral enemies (indeed, the former recently conquered the homeland of the latter, and the latter was enslaving the former for generations), so their desire to keep the Argonians and Dunmer apart may be in the interests of preventing a race war in their capital.
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** The fifth installment, [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]], takes place in the middle of a civil war: the Empire, after losing a war against the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]], was forced to outlaw the worship of Talos and are generally viewed as cowards who oppress the citizens of Skyrim instead of resisting the Dominion's rule. They however believe it was a war they couldn't win, and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo was necessary]] to save Skyrim and the rest of the empire and buy time to prepare for future war with the Dominion. The Empire also use a lot of flimsy excuses for their imperialism from "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim!" to [[CulturalPosturing "The Empire is the one guiding light in Tamriel and without it the other races will fall into barbarism and anarchy, including the Nords! No No, wait, ESPECIALLY the Nords!"]]; they also engage in some activities that would be considered war crimes to a modern audience. The Stormcloak Rebellion wants an independent kingdom and freedom of religion, but they don't consider the possibility they might have to work with the Empire to defeat the Dominion, and are also ultranationalists who dangerously border outright racism [[FantasticRacism and confine the Argonians, Khajiit, and Dark Elves to slums]]. In the defense of that last point, the Argonians and Dunmer are ancestral enemies (indeed, the former recently conquered the homeland of the latter, and the latter was enslaving the former for generations), so their desire to keep the Argonians and Dunmer apart may be in the interests of preventing a race war in their capital.
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** Throne claimants each have their own backstory about why they should be king/queen. The current monarchs will actually have ''their own'' sides to the story and their own reasons, so you're left to decide who's story is worth more. For example, Arwa the Pearled One of the Sarranid Sultanate claims that Sultan Hakim is an EvilUncle who illegally usurped the throne from her, but Sultan Hakim counters that she is a BitchInSheepsClothing and that he has a more legitimate claim due to his royal heritage (while Arwa is an adopted peasant girl). The only claimant/monarch conflict where one side is ''definitely'' more sympathetic than the other is Swadia, which pits the competent and reasonable [[ActionGirl Lady Isolla]] against the incompetent and tyrannical [[FatBastard King Harlaus]]; really, when you ask for Harlaus' reason for exiling Isolla and denying her claim, his argument basically amounts to "[[StayInTheKitchen she is a woman and therefore won't rule well]]".
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** Throne claimants each have their own backstory about why they should be king/queen. The current monarchs will actually have ''their own'' sides to the story and their own reasons, so you're left to decide who's whose story is worth more. For example, Arwa the Pearled One of the Sarranid Sultanate claims that Sultan Hakim is an EvilUncle who illegally usurped the throne from her, but Sultan Hakim counters that she is a BitchInSheepsClothing and that he has a more legitimate claim due to his royal heritage (while Arwa is an adopted peasant girl). The only claimant/monarch conflict where one side is ''definitely'' more sympathetic than the other is Swadia, which pits the competent and reasonable [[ActionGirl Lady Isolla]] against the incompetent and tyrannical [[FatBastard King Harlaus]]; really, when you ask for Harlaus' reason for exiling Isolla and denying her claim, his argument basically amounts to "[[StayInTheKitchen she is a woman and therefore won't rule well]]".
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** The Rogues are the truest form of outcasts, rejects, and wanderers from every civilization and walk of life. They are vagabonds, pirates, raiders, mercenaries, hermits –beings who value personal freedom over anything else. For some Rogues, that freedom means a life of freeing possessions from other people. For other Rogues, it just means living in isolation, free from the rules, restrictions, and conflict of the rest of the universe. While not every Rogue is a criminal, certainly there are a few who just want to be left alone, but most Rogues value freedom and pleasure, sometimes in that order. The Rogues are wild, weird, and individualistic however despite their differences, the Rogues share one thing in common: They do want to survive. They have all spent their lives trying to avoid capture or destruction, and now that their home, the Last Star, is threatened, many of them will put their criminal empires on hold in order to turn their attentions to the real enemies – Rendain and the Varelsi.
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** The Rogues are the truest form of outcasts, rejects, and wanderers from every civilization and walk of life. They are vagabonds, pirates, raiders, mercenaries, hermits –beings –- beings who value personal freedom over anything else. For some Rogues, that freedom means a life of freeing possessions from other people. For other Rogues, it just means living in isolation, free from the rules, restrictions, and conflict of the rest of the universe. While not every Rogue is a criminal, certainly there are a few who just want to be left alone, but most Rogues value freedom and pleasure, sometimes in that order. The Rogues are wild, weird, and individualistic however despite their differences, the Rogues share one thing in common: They do want to survive. They have all spent their lives trying to avoid capture or destruction, and now that their home, the Last Star, is threatened, many of them will put their criminal empires on hold in order to turn their attentions to the real enemies – Rendain and the Varelsi.
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* ''VideoGame/MarkOfTheNinja''. Your opponent, Hessian Services, starts out attacking the Hisomu clan, leading them to send you to take out their leader, Count Karajan, in retaliation. Karajan's EstablishingCharacterMoment shows that he's not a particularly good person, showing little concern for the survival of his guards. [[spoiler: And then you find out the whole thing was a FalseFlagOperation; Hessian only attacked the Hisomu because they stole from them, and then the leader of the Hisomu used that as an excuse to send the protagonist - empowered with special [[PowerTattoo tattoos]] that would give him superhuman abilities but eventually drive him insane and force him to [[DrivenToSuicide commit seppuku]] before he lost his mind completely - to assassinate Karajan so the clan could finish swiping their technology to use for themselves. And ''then'' you find out that, as dickish a move as that was, the leader of the clan believed it was the only way for the clan to survive in the modern era, as the plant they used to create the ink for the tattoos has since gone extinct, robbing them of their secret weapon. It doesn't help that by the time these revelations comes about, the protagonist is well on his way to going insane, impairing his judgement on how to deal with it.]]
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* ''VideoGame/MarkOfTheNinja''. Your opponent, Hessian Services, starts out attacking the Hisomu clan, leading them to send you to take out their leader, Count Karajan, in retaliation. Karajan's EstablishingCharacterMoment shows that he's not a particularly good person, showing little concern for the survival of his guards. [[spoiler: And then you find out the whole thing was a FalseFlagOperation; Hessian only attacked the Hisomu because they stole from them, and then the leader of the Hisomu used that as an excuse to send the protagonist - empowered with special [[PowerTattoo tattoos]] that would give him superhuman abilities but eventually drive him insane and force him to [[DrivenToSuicide commit seppuku]] before he lost his mind completely - to assassinate Karajan so the clan could finish swiping their technology to use for themselves. And ''then'' you find out that, as dickish a move as that was, the leader of the clan believed it was the only way for the clan to survive in the modern era, as the plant they used to create the ink for the tattoos has since gone extinct, robbing them of their secret weapon. It doesn't help that by the time these revelations comes come about, the protagonist is well on his way to going insane, impairing his judgement on how to deal with it.]]
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*** Furrante's main rival, Aeldys, represents the New Blood among the Principi. She has no connection of any kind to Valia, and is very blatantly in it only for the money. She is rough, mean, callous, bloodthirsty, and pretty much everything Furrante is not. However, she is very straightforward, hates and actively hunts slavers, and is one of few characters in the game who is always completely honest.
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*** Furrante's main rival, Aeldys, represents the New Blood among the Principi. She has no connection of any kind to Valia, Valia and is very blatantly in it only for the money. She is rough, mean, callous, bloodthirsty, and pretty much everything Furrante is not. However, she is very straightforward, hates and actively hunts slavers, and is one of the few characters in the game who is always completely honest.
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** On one side is Emperor Cole (a.k.a. Tyrant) and his underlings whose philosophy is something like, "Order at any cost." If the player joins the Loyalists, he can then use the power of the Praetorian Empire to either [[LawfulGood protect its citizens]] or [[LawfulEvil advance his personal power]].
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** On one side is Emperor Cole (a.k.a. Tyrant) and his underlings whose philosophy is something like, "Order at any cost." If the player joins the Loyalists, he can then use the power of the Praetorian Empire to either [[LawfulGood protect its citizens]] citizens or [[LawfulEvil advance his personal power]].power.
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* All of the major organizations in ''VideoGame/{{Lusternia}}''. Despite their underlying themes, they are only as good or evil as the individual characters that dwell there. The city with all the trappings of a LawfulGood [[TheFederation federation]] has [[WitchHunt zealot]] KnightTemplar[=s=] galore: the city with all the trappings of a LawfulEvil [[TheEmpire empire]] has [[TheCorruption mutated, undead]] family men and pacifists among their [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi-inspired]] troopers.
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* All of the major organizations in ''VideoGame/{{Lusternia}}''. Despite their underlying themes, they are only as good or evil as the individual characters that dwell there. The city with all the trappings of a LawfulGood good [[TheFederation federation]] has [[WitchHunt zealot]] KnightTemplar[=s=] galore: the city with all the trappings of a LawfulEvil an evil [[TheEmpire empire]] has [[TheCorruption mutated, undead]] family men and pacifists among their [[PuttingOnTheReich Nazi-inspired]] troopers.
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** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which [[UpToEleven manages to be even grayer than its predecessor.]] The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals all together]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
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** Just about all of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' which [[UpToEleven manages to be even grayer than its predecessor.]] predecessor. The mages, chantry, and qunari are ready to tear each other apart and all of them have good people and bad people or [[BlueAndOrangeMorality have different morals all together]]. All have good reasons to be pissed at the others and all have their own major flaws. It gets very difficult to see anybody as a major villain because there is really no white or black. Though all sides are closer to the black on the gray scale. To fully lay out the rock-paper-scissors of insanity:
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants subscribes to commit genocide FantasticRacism against Adepts and his hatred against them is BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for (especially his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and his hatred against them is very difficult to root for (especially BlackAndWhiteInsanity (shown when his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turning out to be the original Muse Adept]]), Adept]] being ''disgust''), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for (especially after [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turns out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for (especially after his reaction to [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turns turning out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed to be a madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers and Sumeragi allows Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on [[spoiler:Asimov]] and Eden, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
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** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed turns out to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, after taking down all of Sumeragi's elite Adepts, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed reveals himself to be a genocidal madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end ends up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals tells us that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers and Sumeragi allows Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on [[spoiler:Asimov]] and Eden, Eden's Adept supremacists, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
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** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed to be a madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers unimpeded and does allow Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on [[spoiler:Asimov]] and Eden, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for (especially after [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turns out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for (especially after [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turns out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed to be a madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers unimpeded and does allow Sumeragi allows Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on [[spoiler:Asimov]] and Eden, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for]].
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for (especially after [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turns out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for (especially after [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turns out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where unlike Japan, Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former [[spoiler:essentially wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for, he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers.]] The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former [[spoiler:essentially more or less wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for, for (especially after [[spoiler:his beloved, presumed human sister Mytyl turns out to be the original Muse Adept]]), he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers.]] enforcers. The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'': The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed to be a madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers unimpeded and Sumeragi was actually defending the country from such attacks, indicating that their actions were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on [[spoiler:Asimov]] and Eden, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for.
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** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed to be a madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers unimpeded andSumeragi was actually defending the country from such attacks, does allow Adepts to integrate into society as long as they don't carry any dangerous Septimas unrestrained, indicating that their actions the extremist measures they put in place were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on [[spoiler:Asimov]] and Eden, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even if [[spoiler:if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for. for]].
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former [[spoiler:essentially wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for, he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers.]] The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
** The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed to be a madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers unimpeded and
** There are also fractions that are leaning more into black, namely Copen and the aformentioned Eden. While the former [[spoiler:essentially wants to commit genocide against Adepts and is very difficult to root for, he's only seen trying to kill outright dangerous ones and not random Adept passerby or Sumeragi's top enforcers.]] The latter makes it clear that they want to commit genocide against anyone without a Septima and [[spoiler:wants to use the Muse to create a bunch of Anthem-boosted Adepts to terrorize Japan]], but the group's core members [[spoiler:came from countries where Adepts are outright discriminated and treated as subhumans, giving them a legitimate FreudianExcuse especially considering the level of destruction one of them could create.]]
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* ''VideoGame/AzureStrikerGunvoltSeries'': The conflict between [[LaResistance QUILL]] and [[MegaCorp Sumeragi]] turns out to be this at the very end. In the first game, we ''are'' supposed to root for QUILL and the game paints Sumeragi as a MegaCorp who will go out of their way to persecute Adepts by capturing them and performing [[PlayingWithSyringes horrific experiments on them]] and creating Lumen to track down and capture said Adepts, who was revealed to be actually a 13-year old girl with agency [[ArtificialHuman specifically designed to]] harness [[MagicMusic the Muse]] as surveillance. However, the leader of QUILL [[spoiler:Asimov was revealed to be a madman who wants to create an Adept utopia (and if the ''Luminous Avenger [=iX=]'' spinoffs were to go by this would end up in complete disaster)]], and even after the first game ends all Gunvolt did was to allow Eden to enact their full front assault against Japan unimpeded. Bonus material from TheVerse also reveals that not only Adepts had destroyed most of the world by using their powers unimpeded and Sumeragi was actually defending the country from such attacks, indicating that their actions were NecessaryEvil intended to prevent unbridled usage of Septimal powers from completely destroying Japan. On the other hand, Gunvolt, although at first having no idea how bad things could become, manages to hold strong to his centrist beliefs and is willing to turn on [[spoiler:Asimov]] and Eden, and Zeno and Moniqa seem to have the right goals even if they didn't know what they are actually fighting for.
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* ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'': First there is the Damned 33rd, who can only maintain order in a crumbled society through draconian martial law; then there is the Exiled 33rd, rebelling against a leadership they view to be suicidal and insane; the Emirati insurgency, defending their people against what they see as murderous invaders; the CIA, who on Riggs' side attempt to prevent a larger war from breaking out at the cost of ending this one, and on Gould's side prioritize rescuing the populace; and of course the player's faction, Delta Squad, who are only trying to "save the day". [[spoiler: Unfortunately, the conflicting interests of all these groups will result in almost everyone getting killed, in no small part due to your own actions.]]
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* ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'': First there is the Damned 33rd, who can only maintain order in a crumbled society through draconian martial law; then there is the Exiled 33rd, rebelling against a leadership they view to be suicidal and insane; the Emirati insurgency, defending their people against what they see as murderous invaders; the CIA, who on Riggs' side attempt to prevent a larger war from breaking out at the cost of ending this one, killing many innocent lives in the city, and on Gould's side prioritize rescuing the populace; and of course the player's faction, Delta Squad, who are only trying to "save the day". [[spoiler: Unfortunately, the conflicting interests of all these groups will result in almost everyone getting killed, in no small part due to your own actions.]]
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** Although ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1'' averts this [[spoiler:at least once Zanza gets involved]], ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' does show quite a few shades of it. Mor Ardain is aggressively expansionist and has a few corrupt officials running around. [[spoiler:but they're only expanding to find a new homeland as their Titan is dying and the king who runs the whole thing is a good man.]] Uraya seems to be better than Mor Ardain, but they seem unusually reluctant to cool tensions between the two nations [[spoiler:even after negotiations in Indol]] and the nation as a whole suffers from severe social stratification between the haves and have-nots. The people of Tantal are starving to death and their rulers (who are descendants of Addam) [[spoiler:aren't even descendants of Addam, but they're having to pay off debts to Indol and keep Ophion in check so no one can repeat what Amalthus did and grab an Aegis.]] Torna runs the gamut from OmnicidalManiac ([[spoiler:Malos]]) to WellIntentionedExtremist ([[spoiler:Jin]]), and the good intentions of the heroes [[spoiler:are massively offset by the fact that they're purely on their journey because Pyra and Mythra [[DeathSeeker want to die]].]] The only truly good or bad groups are the heroes as the former, [[spoiler: and Amalthus and Malos as the latter, and the latter villain's case is purely because of the former.]]
--> '''Vandham:''' "Everyone's fighting their own war."
--> '''Vandham:''' "Everyone's fighting their own war."
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** Although ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1'' averts this [[spoiler:at least once Zanza gets involved]], ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' does show quite a few shades of it. Mor Ardain is aggressively expansionist and has a few corrupt officials running around. around, [[spoiler:but they're only expanding to find a new homeland as their Titan is dying and the king who runs the whole thing is a good man.]] man]]. Uraya seems to be better than Mor Ardain, but they seem unusually reluctant to cool tensions between the two nations [[spoiler:even after negotiations in Indol]] Indol]], and the nation as a whole suffers from severe social stratification between the haves and have-nots. The people of Tantal are starving to death and their rulers (who are descendants of Addam) [[spoiler:aren't [[spoiler:actually aren't even descendants of Addam, but they're having they have to pay off debts to Indol and keep Ophion in check so no one can repeat what Amalthus did and grab an Aegis.]] Aegis]]. Torna runs the gamut from OmnicidalManiac ([[spoiler:Malos]]) to WellIntentionedExtremist ([[spoiler:Jin]]), and the good intentions of the heroes [[spoiler:are massively offset by the fact that they're purely on their journey because Pyra and Mythra [[DeathSeeker want to die]].]] The only truly good or bad groups are the heroes as the former, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and Amalthus and Malos as the latter, and the latter villain's case is purely because of the former.]]
--> '''Vandham:''' --->'''Vandham:''' "Everyone's fighting their own war."
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Since the writers of Fire Emblem Three Houses have, in fact, confirmed that one side of the conflict is the villainous one (even when it's ambiguous in the game itself), there is no point to keeping the game in this section.
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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' has no entirely good or bad side. Everyone ends up doing morally ambiguous things at one point or another and any villainous character doesn't reflect the faction as a whole. The only exception is Those That Slither In The Dark, a group that everyone hates, including the more morally grey characters. To further drive in this trope, GoldenEnding is soundly averted: every ending results in the destruction or abdication of at least 2 of the major factions.
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** Although ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles'' averts this [[spoiler:at least once Zanza gets involved]], ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' does show quite a few shades of it. Mor Ardain is aggressively expansionist and has a few corrupt officials running around. [[spoiler:but they're only expanding to find a new homeland as their Titan is dying and the king who runs the whole thing is a good man.]] Uraya seems to be better than Mor Ardain, but they seem unusually reluctant to cool tensions between the two nations [[spoiler:even after negotiations in Indol]] and the nation as a whole suffers from severe social stratification between the haves and have-nots. The people of Tantal are starving to death and their rulers (who are descendants of Addam) [[spoiler:aren't even descendants of Addam, but they're having to pay off debts to Indol and keep Ophion in check so no one can repeat what Amalthus did and grab an Aegis.]] Torna runs the gamut from OmnicidalManiac ([[spoiler:Malos]]) to WellIntentionedExtremist ([[spoiler:Jin]]), and the good intentions of the heroes [[spoiler:are massively offset by the fact that they're purely on their journey because Pyra and Mythra [[DeathSeeker want to die]].]] The only truly good or bad groups are the heroes as the former, [[spoiler: and Amalthus and Malos as the latter, and the latter villain's case is purely because of the former.]]
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** Although ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles'' ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1'' averts this [[spoiler:at least once Zanza gets involved]], ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' does show quite a few shades of it. Mor Ardain is aggressively expansionist and has a few corrupt officials running around. [[spoiler:but they're only expanding to find a new homeland as their Titan is dying and the king who runs the whole thing is a good man.]] Uraya seems to be better than Mor Ardain, but they seem unusually reluctant to cool tensions between the two nations [[spoiler:even after negotiations in Indol]] and the nation as a whole suffers from severe social stratification between the haves and have-nots. The people of Tantal are starving to death and their rulers (who are descendants of Addam) [[spoiler:aren't even descendants of Addam, but they're having to pay off debts to Indol and keep Ophion in check so no one can repeat what Amalthus did and grab an Aegis.]] Torna runs the gamut from OmnicidalManiac ([[spoiler:Malos]]) to WellIntentionedExtremist ([[spoiler:Jin]]), and the good intentions of the heroes [[spoiler:are massively offset by the fact that they're purely on their journey because Pyra and Mythra [[DeathSeeker want to die]].]] The only truly good or bad groups are the heroes as the former, [[spoiler: and Amalthus and Malos as the latter, and the latter villain's case is purely because of the former.]]
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** The fifth installment, [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]], takes place in the middle of a civil war: the Empire, after losing a war against the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]], was forced to outlaw the worship of Talos and are generally viewed as cowards who oppress the citizens of Skyrim instead of resisting the Dominion's rule. They however believe it was a war they couldn't win, and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo was necessary]] to save Skyrim and the rest of the empire and buy time to prepare for future war with the Dominion. The Empire also use a lot of flimsy excuses for their imperialism from [[AppealToFear "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim!"]] to [[CulturalPosturing "The Empire is the one guiding light in Tamriel and without it the other races will fall into barbarism and anarchy, including the Nords! No wait, ESPECIALLY the Nords!"]]; they also engage in some activities that would be considered war crimes to a modern audience. The Stormcloak Rebellion wants an independent kingdom and freedom of religion, but they don't consider the possibility they might have to work with the Empire to defeat the Dominion, and are also ultranationalists who dangerously border outright racism [[FantasticRacism and confine the Argonians, Khajiit, and Dark Elves to slums]]. In the defense of that last point, the Argonians and Dunmer are ancestral enemies (indeed, the former recently conquered the homeland of the latter, and the latter was enslaving the former for generations), so their desire to keep the Argonians and Dunmer apart may be in the interests of preventing a race war in their capital.
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** The fifth installment, [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]], takes place in the middle of a civil war: the Empire, after losing a war against the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]], was forced to outlaw the worship of Talos and are generally viewed as cowards who oppress the citizens of Skyrim instead of resisting the Dominion's rule. They however believe it was a war they couldn't win, and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo was necessary]] to save Skyrim and the rest of the empire and buy time to prepare for future war with the Dominion. The Empire also use a lot of flimsy excuses for their imperialism from [[AppealToFear "The Empire is the only thing keeping the Dominion out of Skyrim!"]] Skyrim!" to [[CulturalPosturing "The Empire is the one guiding light in Tamriel and without it the other races will fall into barbarism and anarchy, including the Nords! No wait, ESPECIALLY the Nords!"]]; they also engage in some activities that would be considered war crimes to a modern audience. The Stormcloak Rebellion wants an independent kingdom and freedom of religion, but they don't consider the possibility they might have to work with the Empire to defeat the Dominion, and are also ultranationalists who dangerously border outright racism [[FantasticRacism and confine the Argonians, Khajiit, and Dark Elves to slums]]. In the defense of that last point, the Argonians and Dunmer are ancestral enemies (indeed, the former recently conquered the homeland of the latter, and the latter was enslaving the former for generations), so their desire to keep the Argonians and Dunmer apart may be in the interests of preventing a race war in their capital.
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* The companies Reliable Excavation and Demolition and Builder's League United in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' are an interesting case - the motives and morality of both sides are [[NotSoDifferent identical]]. It isn't grey-on-grey, though because the motives and morality of both sides seem to be "World Domination", and "In The Gutter", respectively, making it [[CrapsackWorld black-on-black]].
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* The companies Reliable Excavation and Demolition and Builder's League United in ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' are an interesting case - the motives and morality of both sides are [[NotSoDifferent identical]].[[MirroringFactions Identical]]. It isn't grey-on-grey, though because the motives and morality of both sides seem to be "World Domination", and "In The Gutter", respectively, making it [[CrapsackWorld black-on-black]].
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* ''VideoGame/{{NieR}}'' has this. The protagonist, Nier, and the antagonist, the Shadowlord, are [[spoiler:two incarnations of the same man]] who both have sympathetic yet mutually exclusive goals -- Nier wants to save his daughter from the Shadowlord, who wants to [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent sacrifice Nier's daughter so he can save his own]]]]. Both are also willing to commit morally questionable acts to achieve their objectives.
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* ''VideoGame/{{NieR}}'' has this. The protagonist, Nier, and the antagonist, the Shadowlord, are [[spoiler:two incarnations of the same man]] who both have sympathetic yet mutually exclusive goals -- Nier wants to save his daughter from the Shadowlord, who wants to [[spoiler:[[NotSoDifferent sacrifice [[spoiler:sacrifice Nier's daughter so he can save his own]]]].own]]. Both are also willing to commit morally questionable acts to achieve their objectives.
