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18th Sep '16 7:27:11 PM nombretomado
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** Same with getting all the characters back in 3, and the wishes-cost-memories machine in 2. If he just wishes for everything, [[AnthropicPrinciple there's no story.]] Fantasia is literally a storybook fantasyland, and with no story to revolve around, it all falls to ruin. Like how AlanWake had to stay true to the story's internal logic or it would have had a TheBadGuyWins DownerEnding, instead of the BittersweetEnding it did have. A copout ending is incredibly bad news. - dvorak

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** Same with getting all the characters back in 3, and the wishes-cost-memories machine in 2. If he just wishes for everything, [[AnthropicPrinciple there's no story.]] Fantasia is literally a storybook fantasyland, and with no story to revolve around, it all falls to ruin. Like how AlanWake VideoGame/AlanWake had to stay true to the story's internal logic or it would have had a TheBadGuyWins DownerEnding, instead of the BittersweetEnding it did have. A copout ending is incredibly bad news. - dvorak
11th Dec '15 7:55:54 PM somebob
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* When Bastian decided to create a dragon for Hero Hynreck, he described one that is about 1,000 years old and captures young maidens who are forced to be its servant for the rest of their lives. Bastian also stated that none had ever been rescued, meaning that at least 20 women each who served the dragon for an average of 50 years (Bastian stated) had been kidnapped in the past as a result of Bastian wanting to give Hynreck a dragon to slay.
27th Aug '15 9:34:09 PM PurrElise
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** Not so fast, i see it as that he only brought back the good parts of Fantasia. After all, why would he have The G'mork come back?

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** Not so fast, i I see it as that he only brought back the good parts of Fantasia. After all, why would he have The G'mork come back?
27th Aug '15 9:26:31 PM PurrElise
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* Gmork says he can move freely betwen Fantasia and the human world, and he can't call either his home, this is why he helps the Nothing. But wiping out Fantasia and probably other worlds apart from the human one (since the human one is CAUSING it, it would jus grow dull instead of become nothingness) would leave Gmork with only the human world to live in- a world he would be most probably able to settle down in permanently, even if it wouldn't be exactly a home.

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* Gmork says he can move freely betwen Fantasia and the human world, and he can't call either his home, this is why he helps the Nothing. But wiping out Fantasia and probably other worlds apart from the human one (since the human one is CAUSING it, it would jus just grow dull instead of become nothingness) would leave Gmork with only the human world to live in- a world he would be most probably able to settle down in permanently, even if it wouldn't be exactly a home.
9th Aug '15 6:23:49 AM ManEFaces
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* The DeusExMachina events which allow Atreyu to complete his quest make no sense, from Y'gramul's poison working as a magical teleporter to anywhere in Fantastica, to Falcor's presence as a companion, to the Sphinx gate arbitrarily letting Atreyu pass through. These fortuitous events seem set up to help Atreyu which makes no sense, until you remember that Fantastica can be changed and added to by the wishes of a human brought there. Y'gramul, Falcor and the Southern Oracle could have been created by the previous human who named the Childlike Empress before Bastian's time in order to ensure that the means to bring a human to Fantastica would always exist.

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* The DeusExMachina events which allow Atreyu to complete his quest make no sense, from Y'gramul's poison working as a magical teleporter to anywhere in Fantastica, to Falcor's presence as a companion, to the Sphinx gate arbitrarily letting Atreyu pass through. These fortuitous events seem set up to help Atreyu which makes no sense, until you remember that Fantastica can be changed and added to by the wishes of a human brought there. Y'gramul, Falcor and the Southern Oracle could have been created by the a previous human who named the Childlike Empress before Bastian's time in order to ensure that the means to bring a human to Fantastica would always exist.
9th Aug '15 6:20:55 AM ManEFaces
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* The DeusExMachina events which allow Atreyu to complete his quest make no sense, from Y'gramul's poison working as a magical teleporter to anywhere in Fantastica, to Falcor's presence as a companion, to the Sphinx gate arbitrarily letting Atreyu pass through. These fortuitous events seem set up to help Atreyu which makes no sense, until you remember that Fantastica can be changed and added to by the wishes of a human brought there. Y'gramul, Falcor and the Southern Oracle could have been created by the previous human who named the Childlike Empress before Bastian's time in order to ensure that the means to bring a human to Fantastica would always exist.
8th Aug '15 11:14:41 PM ManEFaces
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** In the book, the G'mork states he is not a creature of Fantasia, but a being that can travel freely between worlds and take on a form which resembles the natives of any world. Restoring Fantasia did not bring back the G'mork because Fantasia did not spawn him to begin with

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** In the book, the G'mork states he is not a creature of Fantasia, but a being that can travel freely between worlds and take on a form which resembles the natives of any world. Restoring Fantasia did not bring back the G'mork because Fantasia did not spawn him to begin withwith.
8th Aug '15 10:03:40 PM ManEFaces
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** In the book, the G'mork states he is not a creature of Fantasia, but a being that can travel freely between worlds and take on a form which resembles the natives of any world. Restoring Fantasia did not bring back the G'mork because Fantasia did not spawn him to begin with.
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* The G'Mork is trying to help the Nothing consume all of Fantasia, so he can control humans once their imaginations are killed... except doesn't "all of Fantasia" include ''him?''
** Note this is only movie-only. In the book, G'Mork tells Atreyu that, as a [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent Werewolf]], he is neither of Fantasia nor of Earth. Rather, he's one of many creatures who have no world to call home. As a result, he is able to traverse the worlds freely and assume any form he pleases. His rationale for helping the Nothing is out of his bitterness for not having a world to call home.
** In the movie, it's implied that an unseen evil is using the Nothing as its tool of destruction, and has sent the G'mork to Fantasia to kill the meddlesome Atreyu, probably with a pact that he will have a place in the new order created in the human world from the resulting chaos. Having failed to complete his mission, he is found abandoned in the Spook City that will soon fall to the Nothing (assuming that wasn't to be his fate all along). [[note]] Deleted lines from the script have him resignedly tell Atreyu, whom he doesn't recognize like in the book, to leave him alone, and that he has grown weak from searching for his quarry for so long - the removal of that part of the dialogue also took any possible shred of sympathy for the G'mork; keeping only the vicious portrayal.[[/note]]
* Some of his lines in the film suggest that he's been driven mad by the knowledge that he's a character in a storybook and his destiny is always to be killed by Atreyu at the end, meaning that none of his actions matter and his entire existence is ''pointless''. One could [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation speculate]] that the real reason he helps the Nothing is because he desperately wants to end his own [[DeathSeeker suffering]] by erasing himself from existence.
* G'Mork was tasked with killing Atreyu and very nearly succeed in the Swamps. And yet he doesn't recognize Atreyu at the end? Granted he wasn't covered in mud this time around, but still shouldn't he have known what Atreyu looked like?
** He only saw Atreyu from behind in the Swamp. Also I think it was supposed to be implied (albeit not shown well) that it was night at the time. There was certainly a lot of mist hampering vision.
* If Atreyu hadn't found that sharp stone fragment, Gmork would have easily killed him in their confrontation. Lucky thing, too, because he was ordered not to bring his weapons on the journey because... uh, ''why'' was that, exactly?
** Very likely so Atreyu wouldn't kill himself when traversing the Swamps; or kill others in a homicidal angst due to corruption by the effects of The Nothing.
* There is a reason for the decreasing quality of the movies. The first movie is tightly based on the first half of the book. Several liberties where taken and many things omitted, but was still very faithful to the book. The second movie is based loosely on the second half of the book. Many major plot points were changed, for example: in the book there was no evil memory erasing machine, it was just how the ARYN worked sort of the yin for every yang. Finally, the third movie was not based on the book at all, just what was popular with kids at the time.

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** In the book, the G'mork states he is not a creature of Fantasia, but a being that can travel freely between worlds and take on a form which resembles the natives of any world. Restoring Fantasia did not bring back the G'mork because Fantasia did not spawn him to begin with.
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* The G'Mork is trying to help the Nothing consume all of Fantasia, so he can control humans once their imaginations are killed... except doesn't "all of Fantasia" include ''him?''
** Note this is only movie-only. In the book, G'Mork tells Atreyu that, as a [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent Werewolf]], he is neither of Fantasia nor of Earth. Rather, he's one of many creatures who have no world to call home. As a result, he is able to traverse the worlds freely and assume any form he pleases. His rationale for helping the Nothing is out of his bitterness for not having a world to call home.
** In the movie, it's implied that an unseen evil is using the Nothing as its tool of destruction, and has sent the G'mork to Fantasia to kill the meddlesome Atreyu, probably with a pact that he will have a place in the new order created in the human world from the resulting chaos. Having failed to complete his mission, he is found abandoned in the Spook City that will soon fall to the Nothing (assuming that wasn't to be his fate all along). [[note]] Deleted lines from the script have him resignedly tell Atreyu, whom he doesn't recognize like in the book, to leave him alone, and that he has grown weak from searching for his quarry for so long - the removal of that part of the dialogue also took any possible shred of sympathy for the G'mork; keeping only the vicious portrayal.[[/note]]
* Some of his lines in the film suggest that he's been driven mad by the knowledge that he's a character in a storybook and his destiny is always to be killed by Atreyu at the end, meaning that none of his actions matter and his entire existence is ''pointless''. One could [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation speculate]] that the real reason he helps the Nothing is because he desperately wants to end his own [[DeathSeeker suffering]] by erasing himself from existence.
* G'Mork was tasked with killing Atreyu and very nearly succeed in the Swamps. And yet he doesn't recognize Atreyu at the end? Granted he wasn't covered in mud this time around, but still shouldn't he have known what Atreyu looked like?
** He only saw Atreyu from behind in the Swamp. Also I think it was supposed to be implied (albeit not shown well) that it was night at the time. There was certainly a lot of mist hampering vision.
* If Atreyu hadn't found that sharp stone fragment, Gmork would have easily killed him in their confrontation. Lucky thing, too, because he was ordered not to bring his weapons on the journey because... uh, ''why'' was that, exactly?
** Very likely so Atreyu wouldn't kill himself when traversing the Swamps; or kill others in a homicidal angst due to corruption by the effects of The Nothing.
* There is a reason for the decreasing quality of the movies. The first movie is tightly based on the first half of the book. Several liberties where taken and many things omitted, but was still very faithful to the book. The second movie is based loosely on the second half of the book. Many major plot points were changed, for example: in the book there was no evil memory erasing machine, it was just how the ARYN worked sort of the yin for every yang. Finally, the third movie was not based on the book at all, just what was popular with kids at the time.
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6th Aug '15 5:40:53 AM ManEFaces
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** In the book, the G'mork states he is not a creature of Fantasia, but a being that can travel freely between worlds and take on a form which resembles the natives of any world. Restoring Fantasia did not bring back the G'mork because Fantasia did not spawn him to begin with.
2nd Aug '15 2:46:17 PM SnowyWolf
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* The apparently misleading title the neverending story is often the butt of jokes seeing as the story does, in fact have an end. However, the ending is a cornerstone of any story, you can't have a never ending story in the literal sense. However, all throughout the original book, there are what appears to be lead-ins for other stories. For example, one passage states that Engywook (The gnome who was studying the Southern Oracle) went on to become rich and famous for his outstanding findings. However, each of these ends with the line 'but that is another story and shall be told another time'. In this way, the story itself spawns other stories to go off of, and those would presumably do the same. The story itself is not neverending, but the chain is.
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