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** Turned UpToEleven in Prince Caspian. They go back to Narnia! Yay! But...''everyone they know is dead''. Imagine every single one of your friends and everything you built being destroyed. You never got to say goodbye or mourn them. That's it.

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** Turned UpToEleven up to eleven in Prince Caspian. They go back to Narnia! Yay! But...''everyone they know is dead''. Imagine every single one of your friends and everything you built being destroyed. You never got to say goodbye or mourn them. That's it.
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* In ''The Voyage of the Dawn Treader,'' Lucy almost casts a spell that would have made her the most beautiful woman in the world. This [[SoBeautifulItsACurse gets disturbing quick if you think of all the implications of this.]]
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** A related element of FridgeHorror is connected to a point mentioned under FridgeBrilliance, about Pauline Baynes's drawings of beardless Calormene slaves. Even if the Tarkaan doesn't want Shasta as a SexSlave--going by the Islamic and Mesopotamian empires that inspired Calormen, he might want the kid as a ''eunuch''.

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** A related element of FridgeHorror is connected to a point mentioned under FridgeBrilliance, about Pauline Baynes's drawings of beardless Calormene slaves. Even if the Tarkaan doesn't want Shasta as a SexSlave--going by the Islamic and Mesopotamian empires that inspired Calormen, he might want the kid as a ''eunuch''. Even worse, he might want Shasta as ''both''.
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* When reading the books in chronological order, almost the first thing we learn about Jadis is how she killed everyone in her world rather than let her sister win. Skip ahead to the end of The Last Battle and Aslan [[NotSoDifferent kills everyone in Narnia's world rather than let Tash win.]] And then he erases the sapience of every creature that doesn't love him in that moment. Whatever your thoughts on Lewis' idea of God, "Not a tame Lion" is kind of an understatement...

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* When reading the books in chronological order, almost the first thing we learn about Jadis is how she killed everyone in her world rather than let her sister win. Skip ahead to the end of The Last Battle and Aslan [[NotSoDifferent kills everyone in Narnia's world rather than let Tash win.]] win. And then he erases the sapience of every creature that doesn't love him in that moment. Whatever your thoughts on Lewis' idea of God, "Not a tame Lion" is kind of an understatement...
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* One odd thing to note is how in the Magician's Nephew, it's mentioned that Aslan has Diggory get an apple from the Tree of Youth to grow into a new tree that would ward Jadis away, the stench of it's fruit alone keeping her from coming within 100 miles of it. And yet by the time of The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, she's conquered Narnia in endless winter and is able to wander where she pleases. Why is this? Well, consider the fact that in winter, almost all plant life dies or goes into dormancy. It's very likely that Jadis created the eternal winter not only to conquer Narnia, but also to prevent the one thing keeping her away from ever functioning again!
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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might be eunuchs--another staple of the StandardRoyalCourt in many historical Islamic monarchies (again, including the Ottoman Empire) and in ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamia (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).

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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who whom the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might be eunuchs--another staple of the StandardRoyalCourt in many historical Islamic monarchies (again, including the Ottoman Empire) and in ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamia (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).
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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might be eunuchs--another staple of the StandardRoyalCourt in many historical Islamic monarchies (again, including the Ottoman Empire) and in some ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamian empires (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).

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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might be eunuchs--another staple of the StandardRoyalCourt in many historical Islamic monarchies (again, including the Ottoman Empire) and in some ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamian empires Mesopotamia (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).
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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might also be eunuchs--another staple of the StandardRoyalCourt in many historical Islamic monarchies (again, including the Ottoman Empire) and in some ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamian empires (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).

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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might also be eunuchs--another staple of the StandardRoyalCourt in many historical Islamic monarchies (again, including the Ottoman Empire) and in some ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamian empires (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).
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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might also be eunuchs--another staple of many historical Islamic courts (again, including in the Ottoman Empire) and of some ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamian courts (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).

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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might also be eunuchs--another staple of the StandardRoyalCourt in many historical Islamic courts monarchies (again, including in the Ottoman Empire) and of in some ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamian courts empires (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).
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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might also be eunuchs -- another staple of many historical Islamic courts like in the Ottoman Empire.

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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without facial hair, indicating that they might also be eunuchs -- another eunuchs--another staple of many historical Islamic courts like (again, including in the Ottoman Empire.Empire) and of some ''pre''-Islamic Mesopotamian courts (which also inspired Calormen, specifically in terms of religion).






** A related element of FridgeHorror is connected to a point mentioned under FridgeBrilliance, about Pauline Baynes's drawings of beardless Calormene slaves. Even if the Tarkaan doesn't want Shasta as a SexSlave--going by the Islamic empires that inspired Calormen, he might want the kid as a ''eunuch''.

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** A related element of FridgeHorror is connected to a point mentioned under FridgeBrilliance, about Pauline Baynes's drawings of beardless Calormene slaves. Even if the Tarkaan doesn't want Shasta as a SexSlave--going by the Islamic and Mesopotamian empires that inspired Calormen, he might want the kid as a ''eunuch''.
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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without beards, indicating that they might also be eunuchs -- another staple of many historical Islamic courts like in the Ottoman Empire.

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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without beards, facial hair, indicating that they might also be eunuchs -- another staple of many historical Islamic courts like in the Ottoman Empire.
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** A related element of FridgeHorror is connected to a point mentioned under FridgeBrilliance, about Pauline Baynes's drawings of beardless Calormene slaves. Even if the Tarkaan doesn't want Shasta as a SexSlave--going by the Islamic empires that inspired Calormen, he might want the kid as a ''eunuch''.
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** The event which heralds the weakening of the Witch's power is the appearance of Father Christmas. In Christian tradition, Christmas represents the birth of Jesus, which in the Narnia analogy would be the moment of Aslan's arrival. However, the timing of Christmas is not based in history but is inherited from pre-Christian celebrations of the Winter Solstice--the day when the hours of daylight start growing again, forecasting the return of spring.
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*** Good point. Another possibility is that humans are added as ''flavouring'' to pies in relatively small proportions compared to other ingredients, which might make up the bulk of the pie. As an analogy, a cinnamon bun only contains a small amount of cinnamon compared to the mass of dough, and sushi only requires a bit of wasabi to add the desired flavour.
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** Being that Man is a particular delicacy, it's likely that only the King and Queen would have had the pleasure, as opposed to the pies being fed en masse to the entire royal court.
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* Why are the wolves so loyal to the White Witch? Well, aside from being evil, they like her never ending winter because winter is a good time for real wolves unlike most other animals. The shortage of food weakens the prey, and snow slows the prey down and weakens it further, so wolves eat better in winter compared to any other time of the year. This was probably not intentional or realized by the author, but it is a explanation beyond [[ForTheEvulz "they're just evil."]]

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* Why are the wolves so loyal to the White Witch? Well, aside from being evil, they like her never ending winter because winter is a good time for real wolves unlike most other animals. The shortage of food weakens the prey, and snow slows the prey down and weakens it further, so wolves eat better in winter compared to any other time of the year. This was probably not intentional or realized by the author, but it is a an explanation beyond [[ForTheEvulz "they're just evil."]]



** The sleeping lords' island had plenty of trees on it, and the people on the boats were from seafaring cultures. Chances are, if the ''Dawn Treader'' left them some tools and sailcloth, they could build their ''own'' ships to sail home on after a few months' work.

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** The sleeping lords' island had plenty of trees on it, and the people on the boats were from seafaring cultures. Chances are, if the ''Dawn Treader'' left them some tools and sailcloth, they could build their ''own'' ships to sail home on after a few months' work.work.

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** Tangentially related: this probably wasn't Lewis's intent, but a divine lion destroying a corrupted world echoes the far older and gorier tale of the Myth/{{Egyptian|Mythology}} goddess Sekhmet. In that case, though, the rest of the pantheon prevents her from finishing the job by getting her UnsuspectinglySoused (yes, really).

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** Tangentially related: this probably wasn't Lewis's intent, but As an admittedly tangential piece of FridgeHorror, a divine lion destroying a corrupted world echoes (though probably not intentionally) the far older and gorier tale of the Myth/{{Egyptian|Mythology}} goddess Sekhmet. In that case, though, the rest of the pantheon prevents her from finishing the job by getting her UnsuspectinglySoused (yes, really).
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** Relatedly -- this probably wasn't Lewis's intent, but a divine lion destroying a corrupted world echoes a far older and gorier tale: that of the Myth/{{Egyptian|Mythology}} goddess Sekhmet. In that case, though, the rest of the pantheon prevents her from finishing the job by getting her UnsuspectinglySoused (yes, really).

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** Relatedly -- Tangentially related: this probably wasn't Lewis's intent, but a divine lion destroying a corrupted world echoes a the far older and gorier tale: that tale of the Myth/{{Egyptian|Mythology}} goddess Sekhmet. In that case, though, the rest of the pantheon prevents her from finishing the job by getting her UnsuspectinglySoused (yes, really).
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** Relatedly -- this probably wasn't Lewis's intent, but a divine lion destroying a corrupted world echoes a far older and gorier tale: that of the Myth/{{Egyptian|Mythology}} goddess Sekhmet. In that case, though, the rest of the pantheon prevents her from finishing the job by getting her UnsuspectinglySoused (yes, really).
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* Not only does ''The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe'' represent the Christian Tradition of Easter (Jesus/Aslan's Death and Resurrection), it also represents the ''traditional'' Easter; where Winter (represented by the White Queen and her never-ending Snow Storm) is replaced by Spring (represented by Aslan, whose presence is almost always in sunny green pastures) and begins a new Year (in this case, a new Era ruled by the Pevensies).

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* Not only does ''The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe'' represent the Christian Tradition of Easter (Jesus/Aslan's Death and Resurrection), it also represents the ''traditional'' Easter; ''traditional Pre-Christian'' Easter-Type Celebrations; where Winter (represented by the White Queen and her never-ending Snow Storm) is replaced by Spring (represented by Aslan, whose presence is almost always in sunny green pastures) and begins a new Year (in this case, a new Era ruled by the Pevensies).
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* Not only does ''The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe'' represent the Christian Tradition of Easter (Jesus/Aslan's Death and Resurrection), it also represents the ''traditional'' Easter; where Winter (represented by the White Queen and her never-ending Snow Storm) is replaced by Spring (represented by Aslan, whose presence is almost always in sunny green pastures) and begins a new Year (in this case, a new Era ruled by the Pevensies).
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** Maybe imported from Calormen or Archenland?
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* The two slaves at the Tisroc's clandestine meeting (with his heir Prince Rabadash and his grand vizier Ahoshta Tarkaan) are deaf and mute. This fits with Calormen's [[ArabianNightsDays Islamic influence]], as the Ottoman UsefulNotes/{{Turk|ey}}ish court also employed deaf-mute attendants because they were better at keeping secrets. These slaves are also the only Calormene men who the illustrator Pauline Baynes drew without beards, indicating that they might also be eunuchs -- another staple of many historical Islamic courts like in the Ottoman Empire.
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** It's not a very close parallel. Jadis was willing to kill ''everything'' and sit in a RoomFullOfCrazy forever just to avoid losing. Aslan can't 'lose' to Tash (he's a BoringInvincibleHero after all), he just wants to preserve "the good bits" of the universe he built before shutting it down. I'm not a fan of Raptures or OmniscientMoralityLicense in general, but I don't think those two situations are very similar.

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** It's not a very close parallel. Jadis was willing to kill ''everything'' and sit in a RoomFullOfCrazy forever just to avoid losing. Aslan can't 'lose' to Tash (he's a BoringInvincibleHero an InvincibleHero after all), he just wants to preserve "the good bits" of the universe he built before shutting it down. I'm not a fan of Raptures or OmniscientMoralityLicense in general, but I don't think those two situations are very similar.
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*** Wolves in general are also well-adapted to living in cold climates.

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*** ** Wolves in general are also well-adapted to living in cold climates.
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*** Wolves in general are also well-adapted to living in cold climates.
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* We never get an explanation of where Mr. Tumnus, the Beavers, and the other animals get their food during the cursed winter. This winter lasted 100 years, so food couldn't have possibly been grown in Narnia.
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* How did Aslan come back to life (Magical powers and possible Jesus analogy aside)? [[CatsHaveNineLives He's a cat]]!
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* The Pevensies being told they're too old to return to Narnia seems a bit odd, since Peter and Susan are only 14 and 13 respectively after their final visit, and Edmund and Lucy are 12 and 10, whereas Eustace and Jill were able to enter Narnia again in ''Literature/TheLastBattle'' at the ages of 16. However, Narnia is probably taking into account the extra fifteen years the Pevensies spent there in addition to their lives on Earth.

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* The Pevensies being told they're too old to return to Narnia seems a bit odd, since Peter and Susan are only 14 and 13 respectively after their final visit, and Edmund and Lucy are 12 and 10, whereas Eustace and Jill were able to enter Narnia again in ''Literature/TheLastBattle'' at the ages of 16. However, Narnia is probably taking into account the extra fifteen years the Pevensies spent there in addition to their lives on Earth.
Earth. It could also be referring to their psychological development; If either Jill or Eustace had been a little more metaphorically grown up, the Silver Chair adventure would have gone easier for them.
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* How would two human children fill enough pies to feed a castle full of giants?

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