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* The inhabitants of the Land of Ice and Snow don't have an issue with what this universe considers cannibalism (eating other sapient creatures). It's not just a way to make Gulo's horde seem more messed up; food is presumably a lot more scarce in the tundra, so eating the flesh of deceased fellows or enemies might actually be one of the more efficient ways of keeping themselves fed.
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*** It's creepy because he didn't know Cluny Abbey existed, but wrote a book featuring a character named Cluny who wanted to take over an abbey and name it after himself. It's less "spooky" creepy and more "creepily specific coincidence".
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* In ''Mariel of Redwall'', Saltar and Ledder do ''something'' to Mariel that's so traumatizing that she can't even say what it is without freaking out. [[RapeAsDrama Just what the hell was the author trying to imply?]] [[NOYay Also, her exact age isn't given but most of the heroes of these books are about twelve or thirteen, and this part takes place a season or two before she shows up at the abbey.]] The sentence before her freakout suggests the terrifying thing was actually the searats throwing her friends overboard, but...

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* In ''Mariel of Redwall'', Saltar and Ledder do ''something'' to Mariel that's so traumatizing that she can't even say what it is without freaking out. [[RapeAsDrama Just what the hell was the author trying to imply?]] [[NOYay [[NoYay Also, her exact age isn't given but most of the heroes of these books are about twelve or thirteen, and this part takes place a season or two before she shows up at the abbey.]] The sentence before her freakout suggests the terrifying thing was actually the searats throwing her friends overboard, but...
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* In ''Mariel of Redwall'', Saltar and Ledder do ''something'' to Mariel that's so traumatizing that she can't even say what it is without freaking out. [[RapeAsDrama Just what the hell was the author trying to imply?]] [[{{Lolicon}} Also, her exact age isn't given but most of the heroes of these books are about twelve or thirteen, and this part takes place a season or two before she shows up at the abbey.]] The sentence before her freakout suggests the terrifying thing was actually the searats throwing her friends overboard, but...

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* In ''Mariel of Redwall'', Saltar and Ledder do ''something'' to Mariel that's so traumatizing that she can't even say what it is without freaking out. [[RapeAsDrama Just what the hell was the author trying to imply?]] [[{{Lolicon}} [[NOYay Also, her exact age isn't given but most of the heroes of these books are about twelve or thirteen, and this part takes place a season or two before she shows up at the abbey.]] The sentence before her freakout suggests the terrifying thing was actually the searats throwing her friends overboard, but...
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* At one point in ''Outcast'', Veil angrily tells Bryony not to follow him, and that she should go back to Redwall, forget about him, and tell everyone else how bad he was. So technically, she's doing what he wanted at the end when she does exactly that.
** Also, Bryony didn't arrive in time to hear Veil tell Swartt that he considered him his enemy. Had she heard that, she may have had less ambiguity regarding his sacrifice.
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* In the AnimatedAdaptation, Matthias sweeps Asmodeus' head neatly off. In the book, we get several sentences of AndThisIsFor, and "He struck until his paws ached and the sword fell from them". The implication being that he hacked the snake's head off ''slowly'', inch by inch, which actually makes a lot more sense considering the size gap.

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* In the AnimatedAdaptation, Matthias sweeps Asmodeus' head neatly off. In the book, we get several sentences of AndThisIsFor, and "He struck until his paws ached and the sword fell from them". The implication being that he hacked the snake's head off ''slowly'', inch by inch, which actually makes a lot more sense considering the size gap.gap.
* One really hopes poor Felch's name means something different in the Juska language.
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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]'']]''
* In the AnimatedAdaptation, Matthias sweeps Asmodeus' head neatly off. In the book, we get several sentences of AndThisIsFor, and "He struck until his paws ached and the sword fell from them". The implication being that he hacked the snake's head off ''slowly'', inch by inch, which actually makes a lot more sense considering the size gap.
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** What exactly was the creepy coincidence? I've looked up several articles about Cluny Abbey and can't see what the coincidence is. I can't find the Brian Jacques interview that mentions it, either.

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** What exactly was the creepy coincidence? I've looked up several articles about Cluny Castle and Cluny Abbey and can't see what the coincidence is. I can't find the Brian Jacques interview that mentions it, either.
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** What exactly was the creepy coincidence? I've looked up several articles about Cluny Abbey and can't see what the coincidence is. I can't find the Brian Jacques interview that mentions it, either.
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** Not really. It was explained in series that, had [[spoiler: Bragoon and Sarobando]] been at the Abbey for the coming of Raga Bol (or indeed for Baddred's crew before that), then the entire situation would not have been nearly as bad as it was, never leading to [[spoiler: that critical moment where Martha either needed to walk or Lonna would die.]] It's still a rather twisted system (Given her characterization, Martha would have gladly chosen to remain chair-bound the rest of her life if she knew they were going to die to fix her), but it at least makes sense.

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** Not really. It was explained in series that, had [[spoiler: Bragoon and Sarobando]] been at the Abbey for the coming of Raga Bol (or indeed for Baddred's crew before that), then the entire situation would not have been nearly as bad as it was, never leading to [[spoiler: that critical moment where Martha either needed to walk or Lonna the Abbot would die.]] It's still a rather twisted system (Given her characterization, Martha would have gladly chosen to remain chair-bound the rest of her life if she knew they were going to die to fix her), but it at least makes sense.

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** This troper actually directly asked the author about that; he claimed it was a coincidence and he did not learn about Cluny Abbey until after he wrote the book.
** This other troper who read said Q&A on "Ask Brian" adds that Brian thought the coincidence was creepy.

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** This troper actually directly asked the author about that; he claimed Brian says in his Q&A that it was a coincidence and he did not learn about Cluny Abbey until after he wrote the book.
** This other troper who read said Q&A on "Ask Brian" adds that Brian
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*** You're trying to say that you know possible outcomes better that a character who explicitly sees the future. [[spoiler: Saro and Bragoon are not invincible.]] Without the prophecy, they could have been just killed by Raga Bol's gang, and reliance on them could have caused Redwallers to botch the defense. That's assuming that Martin can actually ''change'' and ''choose'' the future. The more specific and precise prophecies in a particular world are, [[FridgeHorror the more frightening implications regarding the existence of free will they carry]]. And Redwall has rather precise prophecies. Martin might act in a certain way because he already knows he'll act in a cerrain way, and some instances when he undertakes clearly fruitless actions (like trying to scare off Cluny or Razzid) might be seen as confirming that.

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*** You're trying to say that you know possible outcomes better that a character who explicitly sees the future. [[spoiler: Saro and Bragoon are not invincible.]] Without the prophecy, they could have been just killed by Raga Bol's gang, and reliance on them could have caused Redwallers to botch the defense. That's assuming that Martin can actually ''change'' and ''choose'' the future. The more specific and precise prophecies in a particular world are, [[FridgeHorror the more frightening implications regarding the existence of free will they carry]]. And Redwall has rather precise prophecies. Martin might act in a certain way because he already knows he'll act in a cerrain certain way, and some instances when he undertakes clearly fruitless actions (like trying to scare off Cluny or Razzid) might be seen as confirming that.



*** Want some more fuel for paranoia? Think about why Mariel was the only slave of Gabool who earned a personal monicker from him.

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*** Want some more fuel for paranoia? Think about why Mariel was the only slave of Gabool who earned a personal monicker moniker from him.
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* Building on the above comments, Martha suddenly being able to walk again makes more sense when you remember that, earlier on in the book, it was implied that the reason she was paralyzed was because of trauma, making her paralysis a psychosomatic condition. Nothing's wrong with her body, it's all due to mental factors. This becomes FridgeHorror when you realize that, by removing two competent fighters, Martha's only surviving family and two of her close friends from the Abbey premises, Martin created a high-stress situation so bad that Martha's brain had to throw away her previous trauma at an attempt at self-preservation. Also becomes FridgeLogic when you realize that Martha hadn't used her legs since she was a child, so her leg muscles should have atrophied to the point it would be physically impossible for her to stand, let alone walk.
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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''
* In ''Loamhedge'', Martin's spirit appears to Martha, telling her that Bagroon and Saro need to journey to Loamhedge to find the cure for her paralysis. [[spoiler:During a vermin attack, Martha manages to gain the ability to walk in order to save the Abbot. This implies that the prophetic spirit of Martin intentionally sent Bagroon and Saro on a suicide mission, but that's not all. Earlier in the book it's implied that the reason Martha is paralyzed is due to trauma, making it a psychosomatic condition. So basically what Martin did was remove the two most competent fighters from the Abbey premises, plus Martha's brother and two of her friends, in order to force her into a high-stress situation so bad her mind had to throw away trauma in an attempt at self-preservation and saving the others. ''Wow''.]]

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''
* In ''Loamhedge'', Martin's spirit appears to Martha, telling her that Bagroon and Saro need to journey to Loamhedge to find the cure for her paralysis. [[spoiler:During a vermin attack, Martha manages to gain the ability to walk in order to save the Abbot. This implies that the prophetic spirit of Martin intentionally sent Bagroon and Saro on a suicide mission, but that's not all. Earlier in the book it's implied that the reason Martha is paralyzed is due to trauma, making it a psychosomatic condition. So basically what Martin did was remove the two most competent fighters from the Abbey premises, plus Martha's brother and two of her friends, in order to force her into a high-stress situation so bad her mind had to throw away trauma in an attempt at self-preservation and saving the others. ''Wow''.]]
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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]'']]''
* In ''Loamhedge'', Martin's spirit appears to Martha, telling her that Bagroon and Saro need to journey to Loamhedge to find the cure for her paralysis. [[spoiler:During a vermin attack, Martha manages to gain the ability to walk in order to save the Abbot. This implies that the prophetic spirit of Martin intentionally sent Bagroon and Saro on a suicide mission, but that's not all. Earlier in the book it's implied that the reason Martha is paralyzed is due to trauma, making it a psychosomatic condition. So basically what Martin did was remove the two most competent fighters from the Abbey premises, plus Martha's brother and two of her friends, in order to force her into a high-stress situation so bad her mind had to throw away trauma in an attempt at self-preservation and saving the others. ''Wow''.]]

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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened. Plus considering the size difference [[NightmareFuel she probably would have died if they'd succeeded]].

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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened. Plus considering the size difference [[NightmareFuel she probably would have died if they'd succeeded]]. The final reason it's highly unlikely that was what was intended is that Mariel was a WriteWhoYouKnow case, and was based on Mr Jacques' granddaughter, which would make it incredibly disturbing on several levels.



* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]]
** Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]]
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\n* Anyone else get Nazism vibes from the white "Pure Ferrets" with thick German accents?
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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened.

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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened. Plus considering the size difference [[NightmareFuel she probably would have died if they'd succeeded]].
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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]]

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]]]]
** Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''
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\n*** Scavenged from a dead creature? Which is gross, but plausible. Vermin could have more direct ways; [[NightmareFuel gather enough rats and they can eat larger creatures, including humans, alive]].

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* Mokug's backstory is rather disturbing when translated into human terms, as it involves an evil rich man picking a small boy as his slave because said boy is cute and blond. {{Squick}}. Highly doubtful Sarengo actually wanted him as anything worse than decoration, but...

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* Mokug's backstory is rather disturbing when translated into human terms, as it involves an evil rich man picking a small boy as his slave because said boy is cute and blond. {{Squick}}. Highly doubtful Sarengo actually wanted him as anything worse than decoration, but...but...
* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]]
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\n** It's worth mentioning that the description of the belt being made of leather is made in the first book, which also mentions livestock. The leather probably came from a cow or horse or something. But considering the size difference, it raises the question of how they got the hide in the first place.

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\n* Might overlap with Fridge Horror a little when it's mentioned that Martin's sword belt is made of leather when everyone in the world are ''animals''. Where did they get the leather?

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* Redwall seems to have no religion, despite being called an Abbey. But look closer at their attitude towards Martin. Martin is idolized in-story (do we EVER see a tapestry of Abbess Germaine being stolen?), and it sounds like he ''single-handedly'' liberated ''everyone'' from a professional, well-armed ''army'' of vermin. His tapestry is immensely important to them, and his sword(which they treat like medieval monasteries treated saint's relics) is [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane ambiguously magic]]. His spirit actively warns the inhabitants when danger is near, he had an epiphany after a near-death experience, his gives out TheQuest routinely, is said to "aid the Abbey when danger is near", and is posthumosly addressed by characters for help. Saint Martin the Warrior, anybody?

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* Technically, everything Ublaz does with his Mad Eyes is at least closer to the realms of possibility than most hypnotist villains manage. Eye-fixation hypnosis really does work, albeit not simply by looking at the hypnotist's eyes. He isn't precisely mind-controlling the Monitors as reminding them he's more useful not being eaten, and while it's not possible to just tell someone to jump out of a window and have them do it, it could potentially be possible to increase the panic of someone who's already terrified of you to the point that the window or the end of the pier seems a good escape route. Snake charming by swaying movements is also a thing that actually works. Most important of all, hypnosis works best on those who ''believe'' it will work, and he's built up his great terrifying reputation for instant mind control...
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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened.
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** Though this may fall under "I didn't consider that" on the author's part. But the books clearly state regardless that Badgers under the bloodwrath will kill anything in it's path, even allies.

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** Though this may fall very likely fell under "I didn't consider that" on the author's part. But the books clearly state regardless that Badgers under the bloodwrath will kill anything in it's path, even allies.
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** Though this may fall under "I didn't consider that" on the author's part. But the books clearly state regardless that Badgers under the bloodwrath will kill anything in it's path, even allies.
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**** Want some more fuel for paranoia? Think about why Mariel was the only slave of Gabool who earned a personal monicker from him.
* In ''Mariel of Redwall'' again, Rawnblade annihilates every living creature on board of the ''Waveblade'' in a fit of [[TheBerserker Bloodwrath]]. This carnage is already horrific enough - before you consider the fact, that every other ship in Gabool's fleet we see in any detail was crewed not only by searats, but also their oarslaves, and while the ''Waveblade'' is not explicitly stated to be the same, she is also not explicilty stated to differ in this regard.
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** This other troper who read said Q&A on "Ask Brian" adds that Brian thought the coincidence was creepy.
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* ''Doomwyte'': [[TearJerker Martin's sword is finally used to cut down a sycamore.]]

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