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2nd Jun '16 7:46:21 PM Serasia
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** What exactly was the creepy coincidence? I've looked up several articles about Cluny Abbey and can't see what the coincidence is. I can't find the Brian Jacques interview that mentions it, either.

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** What exactly was the creepy coincidence? I've looked up several articles about Cluny Castle and Cluny Abbey and can't see what the coincidence is. I can't find the Brian Jacques interview that mentions it, either.
2nd Jun '16 7:45:28 PM Serasia
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** What exactly was the creepy coincidence? I've looked up several articles about Cluny Abbey and can't see what the coincidence is. I can't find the Brian Jacques interview that mentions it, either.
2nd Jun '16 7:24:52 PM Serasia
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** Not really. It was explained in series that, had [[spoiler: Bragoon and Sarobando]] been at the Abbey for the coming of Raga Bol (or indeed for Baddred's crew before that), then the entire situation would not have been nearly as bad as it was, never leading to [[spoiler: that critical moment where Martha either needed to walk or Lonna would die.]] It's still a rather twisted system (Given her characterization, Martha would have gladly chosen to remain chair-bound the rest of her life if she knew they were going to die to fix her), but it at least makes sense.

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** Not really. It was explained in series that, had [[spoiler: Bragoon and Sarobando]] been at the Abbey for the coming of Raga Bol (or indeed for Baddred's crew before that), then the entire situation would not have been nearly as bad as it was, never leading to [[spoiler: that critical moment where Martha either needed to walk or Lonna the Abbot would die.]] It's still a rather twisted system (Given her characterization, Martha would have gladly chosen to remain chair-bound the rest of her life if she knew they were going to die to fix her), but it at least makes sense.
28th Apr '16 7:29:56 AM Quanyails
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** This troper actually directly asked the author about that; he claimed it was a coincidence and he did not learn about Cluny Abbey until after he wrote the book.
** This other troper who read said Q&A on "Ask Brian" adds that Brian thought the coincidence was creepy.

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** This troper actually directly asked the author about that; he claimed Brian says in his Q&A that it was a coincidence and he did not learn about Cluny Abbey until after he wrote the book.
** This other troper who read said Q&A on "Ask Brian" adds that Brian
book. He thought the coincidence was creepy.



*** You're trying to say that you know possible outcomes better that a character who explicitly sees the future. [[spoiler: Saro and Bragoon are not invincible.]] Without the prophecy, they could have been just killed by Raga Bol's gang, and reliance on them could have caused Redwallers to botch the defense. That's assuming that Martin can actually ''change'' and ''choose'' the future. The more specific and precise prophecies in a particular world are, [[FridgeHorror the more frightening implications regarding the existence of free will they carry]]. And Redwall has rather precise prophecies. Martin might act in a certain way because he already knows he'll act in a cerrain way, and some instances when he undertakes clearly fruitless actions (like trying to scare off Cluny or Razzid) might be seen as confirming that.

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*** You're trying to say that you know possible outcomes better that a character who explicitly sees the future. [[spoiler: Saro and Bragoon are not invincible.]] Without the prophecy, they could have been just killed by Raga Bol's gang, and reliance on them could have caused Redwallers to botch the defense. That's assuming that Martin can actually ''change'' and ''choose'' the future. The more specific and precise prophecies in a particular world are, [[FridgeHorror the more frightening implications regarding the existence of free will they carry]]. And Redwall has rather precise prophecies. Martin might act in a certain way because he already knows he'll act in a cerrain certain way, and some instances when he undertakes clearly fruitless actions (like trying to scare off Cluny or Razzid) might be seen as confirming that.



*** Want some more fuel for paranoia? Think about why Mariel was the only slave of Gabool who earned a personal monicker from him.

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*** Want some more fuel for paranoia? Think about why Mariel was the only slave of Gabool who earned a personal monicker moniker from him.
29th Mar '16 3:13:27 PM SwashBucket
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* Building on the above comments, Martha suddenly being able to walk again makes more sense when you remember that, earlier on in the book, it was implied that the reason she was paralyzed was because of trauma, making her paralysis a psychosomatic condition. Nothing's wrong with her body, it's all due to mental factors. This becomes FridgeHorror when you realize that, by removing two competent fighters, Martha's only surviving family and two of her close friends from the Abbey premises, Martin created a high-stress situation so bad that Martha's brain had to throw away her previous trauma at an attempt at self-preservation. Also becomes FridgeLogic when you realize that Martha hadn't used her legs since she was a child, so her leg muscles should have atrophied to the point it would be physically impossible for her to stand, let alone walk.
29th Mar '16 3:05:09 PM SwashBucket
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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''
* In ''Loamhedge'', Martin's spirit appears to Martha, telling her that Bagroon and Saro need to journey to Loamhedge to find the cure for her paralysis. [[spoiler:During a vermin attack, Martha manages to gain the ability to walk in order to save the Abbot. This implies that the prophetic spirit of Martin intentionally sent Bagroon and Saro on a suicide mission, but that's not all. Earlier in the book it's implied that the reason Martha is paralyzed is due to trauma, making it a psychosomatic condition. So basically what Martin did was remove the two most competent fighters from the Abbey premises, plus Martha's brother and two of her friends, in order to force her into a high-stress situation so bad her mind had to throw away trauma in an attempt at self-preservation and saving the others. ''Wow''.]]

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''
* In ''Loamhedge'', Martin's spirit appears to Martha, telling her that Bagroon and Saro need to journey to Loamhedge to find the cure for her paralysis. [[spoiler:During a vermin attack, Martha manages to gain the ability to walk in order to save the Abbot. This implies that the prophetic spirit of Martin intentionally sent Bagroon and Saro on a suicide mission, but that's not all. Earlier in the book it's implied that the reason Martha is paralyzed is due to trauma, making it a psychosomatic condition. So basically what Martin did was remove the two most competent fighters from the Abbey premises, plus Martha's brother and two of her friends, in order to force her into a high-stress situation so bad her mind had to throw away trauma in an attempt at self-preservation and saving the others. ''Wow''.]]
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29th Mar '16 1:24:30 PM SwashBucket
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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]'']]''
* In ''Loamhedge'', Martin's spirit appears to Martha, telling her that Bagroon and Saro need to journey to Loamhedge to find the cure for her paralysis. [[spoiler:During a vermin attack, Martha manages to gain the ability to walk in order to save the Abbot. This implies that the prophetic spirit of Martin intentionally sent Bagroon and Saro on a suicide mission, but that's not all. Earlier in the book it's implied that the reason Martha is paralyzed is due to trauma, making it a psychosomatic condition. So basically what Martin did was remove the two most competent fighters from the Abbey premises, plus Martha's brother and two of her friends, in order to force her into a high-stress situation so bad her mind had to throw away trauma in an attempt at self-preservation and saving the others. ''Wow''.]]
3rd Sep '15 8:29:16 AM chelonianmobile
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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened. Plus considering the size difference [[NightmareFuel she probably would have died if they'd succeeded]].

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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened. Plus considering the size difference [[NightmareFuel she probably would have died if they'd succeeded]]. The final reason it's highly unlikely that was what was intended is that Mariel was a WriteWhoYouKnow case, and was based on Mr Jacques' granddaughter, which would make it incredibly disturbing on several levels.



* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]]
** Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''

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* Read [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-sociopathic-assholes-disguised-as-adorable-animals_p2/ this]] and then notice that Skipper's sentence was cut off when he was saying what he found Folgrim doing to that dead rat. [[ILoveTheDead It could have been so very much worse than eating him.]]
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]] Granted, that was almost certainly ''not'' what Mr. Jacques was insinuating, and from what we see, Redwall otters hopefully do not operate like that. ''[[BrainBleach Hopefully.]]''
2nd Sep '15 4:32:22 PM chelonianmobile
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\n* Anyone else get Nazism vibes from the white "Pure Ferrets" with thick German accents?
2nd Sep '15 4:27:41 PM chelonianmobile
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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened.

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*** To soothe it a little, reflect that she probably would have gone into Gullwhacker mode and fought back much sooner if that happened. Plus considering the size difference [[NightmareFuel she probably would have died if they'd succeeded]].
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