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* ''From "G" and "Cis" (C♯), the pitches of the timpanis used in his battle theme. The combination of "G" and "Cis" is a tritone, previously referred to as Diabolus in Musica (The Devil in the Music) in the 18th century. Could also be romanized as Goetis, derived from Goetia, Greek for "sorcery".'' - This is what Ghetsis's page on Bulbapedia says. Devil, you say? '''[[SarcasmMode NO WAY]]'''

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* ''From "G" and "Cis" (C♯), the pitches of the timpanis used in his battle theme. The combination of "G" and "Cis" is a tritone, previously referred to as Diabolus in Musica (The Devil in the Music) in the 18th century. Could also be romanized as Goetis, derived from Goetia, Greek for "sorcery".'' - This is what Ghetsis's page on Bulbapedia says. Devil, you say? '''[[SarcasmMode NO WAY]]'''WAY]]'''!
* The new gyms are still perilous.
** Skyla's new Gym. A minor case, but one would imagine all of the concussions anyone would receive after being in that gym, being blown straight into the wall, and in the protagonist's case, straight through the gym, smashing two boxes, and out the doors. Worse is, the boxes respawn after reentering. You could keep going up to Skyla and exiting the gym, smashing through those boxes over and over.
** Drayden's new Gym. Are the trainers just not afraid of heights? Hell, Drayden himself is at the top of that dragon, although he's pretty {{Badass}}, so one would imagine that he'd be okay.
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* Following on from the 'how powerful was the original dragon' FridgeHorror below, it would make sense for the original dragon's stat total/power to rival that of Arceus. The game mythos in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum only ever confirms that Arceus created the Sinnoh region. The mythos surrounding the original dragon says that it created Unova. Both of them created regions of their own, making them equals in power.

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* Right as the credits start, [[spoiler:Iris leads the player out of the Hall of Fame and Champion's room, to the massive staircase. There, the Elite Four members are waiting, and the player walks down the steps and turns to them. Afterward, the player walks forward a bit, and Iris follows. Then, Iris and the Elite Four form the V shape, with Iris at the bottom and two Elite Four members at her sides while the player runs off]], and the credits begin. While possibly unintentional, it's brilliant because V could be for Victory (as in, you were just victorious over the Elite Four and the Champion, and Victini is also represented by V and Victory). And of course, this game takes place during Generation '''V'''.

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* Right as before the credits start, [[spoiler:Iris leads the player out of the Hall of Fame and Champion's room, to the massive staircase. There, the Elite Four members are waiting, and the player walks down the steps and turns to them. Afterward, the player walks forward a bit, and Iris follows. Then, Iris and the Elite Four form the V shape, with Iris at the bottom and two Elite Four members at her sides while the player runs off]], and the credits begin. While possibly unintentional, it's brilliant because V could be for Victory (as in, you were just victorious over the Elite Four and the Champion, and Victini is also represented by V and Victory). And of course, this game takes place during Generation '''V'''.


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** It seems to happen in the game as well, as [[spoiler:Opelucid City becomes frozen over, and the player does chase after the Shadow Triad like in the promotional video. In this case, there were plenty of innocent people who may have been frozen to death]].
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* Right as the credits start, [[spoiler:Iris leads the player out of the Hall of Fame and Champion's room, to the massive staircase. There, the Elite Four members are waiting, and the player walks down the steps and turns to them. Afterward, the player walks forward a bit, and Iris follows. Then, Iris and the Elite Four form the V shape, with Iris at the bottom and two Elite Four members at her sides while the player runs off]], and the credits begin. While possibly unintentional, it's brilliant because V could be for Victory (as in, you were just victorious over the Elite Four and the Champion, and Victini is also represented by V and Victory). And of course, this game takes place during Generation '''V'''.
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* Could also count as FridgeHorror, but Ghetsis's Hydreigon knows the move Frustration, in this game. A move that grows stronger depending on how much your Pokemon hates you. [[CompleteMonster And considering who he is,]] it's probably on Hydreigon for a good reason, and probably at max power, as well.

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* Could also count as FridgeHorror, but Ghetsis's Hydreigon knows the move Frustration, in this game. A these games. Frustration is a move that grows stronger depending on how much your Pokemon hates dislikes you. [[CompleteMonster And considering who he Ghetsis is,]] it's probably on Hydreigon for a good reason, and probably at max power, as well.
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* Could also count as FridgeHorror, but Ghetsis's Hydreigon knows the move Frustration, in this game. A move that grows stronger depending on how much your Pokemon hates you. [[CompleteMonster And considering who he is,]] it's probably on Hydreigon for a good reason, and probably at max power, as well.
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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's. Evidence: Normal Kyurem (660 BST), Reshiram/Zekrom (680 BST), Black/White Kyurem (700 BST), Original Dragon (720 BST). So following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on par with Arceus, as many others have predicted.

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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's. Evidence: Normal Kyurem (660 BST), Reshiram/Zekrom (680 BST), Black/White Kyurem (700 BST), Original Dragon (720 BST). So following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on par with Arceus, as many others have predicted.predicted.
* ''From "G" and "Cis" (C♯), the pitches of the timpanis used in his battle theme. The combination of "G" and "Cis" is a tritone, previously referred to as Diabolus in Musica (The Devil in the Music) in the 18th century. Could also be romanized as Goetis, derived from Goetia, Greek for "sorcery".'' - This is what Ghetsis's page on Bulbapedia says. Devil, you say? '''[[SarcasmMode NO WAY]]'''
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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's. Evidence: Normal Kyurem (660 BST), Reshiram/Zekrom (680 BST), Black/White Kyurem (700 BST), Original Dragon (720 BST). So following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on par with Arceus, as any others have predicted.

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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's. Evidence: Normal Kyurem (660 BST), Reshiram/Zekrom (680 BST), Black/White Kyurem (700 BST), Original Dragon (720 BST). So following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on par with Arceus, as any many others have predicted.
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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's: Normal Kyurem: 660 BST, Reshiram/Zekrom: 680 BST, Black/White Kyurem: 700 BST, Original Dragon: 720 BST. So following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on-par with Arceus, as any others have predicted.

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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's: BST's. Evidence: Normal Kyurem: 660 BST, Reshiram/Zekrom: 680 BST, Kyurem (660 BST), Reshiram/Zekrom (680 BST), Black/White Kyurem: 700 BST, Kyurem (700 BST), Original Dragon: 720 BST. Dragon (720 BST). So following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on-par on par with Arceus, as any others have predicted.

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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's.
Normal Kyurem: 660 BST, Reshiram/Zekrom: 680 BST, Black/White Kyurem: 700 BST, Original Dragon: 720 BST

Following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on-par with Arceus, as any others have predicted.

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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BST's.
BST's: Normal Kyurem: 660 BST, Reshiram/Zekrom: 680 BST, Black/White Kyurem: 700 BST, Original Dragon: 720 BST

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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BSTs.

-Normal Kyurem: 660 BST
-Reshiram/Zekrom: 680 BST
-Black/White Kyurem: 700 BST
-Original Dragon: 720 BST

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** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BSTs.

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* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, behind only Arceus), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.

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* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, behind only Arceus), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.from.
** I saw somebody somewhere else bring up a good point in that the Tao Trio seem to have a "20-point increment" thing going on in regards to their BSTs.

-Normal Kyurem: 660 BST
-Reshiram/Zekrom: 680 BST
-Black/White Kyurem: 700 BST
-Original Dragon: 720 BST

Following this model, the Original Dragon would seem to be on-par with Arceus, as any others have predicted.
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\n* The battle with rival in [[spoiler:Pokémon World Tournament]] might be seen unfair. I mean, a Lv. 25 Servine using Leaf Blade? Even Snivy can't learn it earlier than at Lv. 28, and no, it's not an Egg move (in English trailer he claims to raise the starter from an Egg), as it wasn't capable of using it earlier.... but then when his Servine was seen in battle once again, few moments after the [[spoiler:Pokémon World Tournament]], it struck me. The Servine and other Pokémon at his time suddenly gained levels. 33 for starter, 31 for Tranquill and Simisear. Notice how both his, [[spoiler:Cheren's and Akuroma's]] Pokémon were at lv. 25. All three of them... Their actual levels weren't that. They were reduced, like in Battle Subway (though there my Pokémon got increased Level to 50... but you know the drill). It makes sense that it knew Leaf Blade – it was actually at right level! That brings us to a point... which we can discuss [[Headscratchers/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 here]].
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* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, behind only Arceus), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.
** This Troper suspects that the original dragon will be a tie with Arceus for a base stat total.

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* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, behind only Arceus), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.
** This Troper suspects that the original dragon will be a tie with Arceus for a base stat total.
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\n* You might wonder why N's new battle theme opens with Red's theme of all things. Until you realize that while Red might be the most powerful trainer in the series, we don't know that he ever caught a Legendary Pokemon (HGSS goes so far as to imply he didn't catch any) but N ''did.'' The fact that N was canonically in control of a very powerful legendary pokemon for 2 years makes HIM as legendary (and badass) as Red was.

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** This Troper suspects that the original dragon will be a tie with Arceus for a base stat total.
*** Arceus is one... but... [[spoiler: [[CompleteMonster Ghetsis]] was seen with Kyurem... and N's dragon. Do you perhaps know how you get the badass form of Kyurem? You FUSE the dragons, literally - both disappear from party to form one Pokémon... the process is reversable, though. Both forms also have battle music. Does that mean they will be fought? Without proper tactic (or [[LevelGrinding level grinding]]), party will probably be [[CurbStompBattle raped]].]]

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** This Troper suspects that the original dragon will be a tie with Arceus for a base stat total.
*** Arceus is one... but... [[spoiler: [[CompleteMonster Ghetsis]] was seen with Kyurem... and N's dragon. Do you perhaps know how you get the badass form of Kyurem? You FUSE the dragons, literally - both disappear from party to form one Pokémon... the process is reversable, though. Both forms also have battle music. Does that mean they will be fought? Without proper tactic (or [[LevelGrinding level grinding]]), party will probably be [[CurbStompBattle raped]].]]
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** This Troper suspects that the original dragon will be a tie with Arceus for a base stat total.

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** This Troper suspects that the original dragon will be a tie with Arceus for a base stat total.total.
*** Arceus is one... but... [[spoiler: [[CompleteMonster Ghetsis]] was seen with Kyurem... and N's dragon. Do you perhaps know how you get the badass form of Kyurem? You FUSE the dragons, literally - both disappear from party to form one Pokémon... the process is reversable, though. Both forms also have battle music. Does that mean they will be fought? Without proper tactic (or [[LevelGrinding level grinding]]), party will probably be [[CurbStompBattle raped]].]]

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*** One example: the common pokemon from Kanto, Rattata, isn't in the first routes of the game, but in the [[AbsurdlySpaciousSewer sewers]].



* A slight bit, in the animated video. Bianca shows the protagonist and rival the three Poké Balls that contain the starters. It may just be because it was in the middle, but the camera focuses middle Poké Ball, and zooms out to see that the protagonist had his eye on it. Two scenes later, he is revealed to have an Emboar, meaning he chose Tepig. Tepig is in between Snivy and Oshawott in the Poké Dex, and thus would have been the Pokémon in the middle Poké Ball.

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* A slight bit, in the animated video. Bianca shows the protagonist and rival the three Poké Balls that contain the starters. It may just be because it was in the middle, but the camera focuses middle Poké Ball, and zooms out to see that the protagonist had his eye on it. Two scenes later, he is revealed to have an Emboar, meaning he chose Tepig. Tepig is in between Snivy and Oshawott in the Poké Dex, and thus would have been the Pokémon in the middle Poké Ball.
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*** [[spoiler: N turns the dragon in the stone himself and he then gives it to you. After you beat Ghetsis the dragons separate again.]]
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* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, behind only Arceus), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.from.
** This Troper suspects that the original dragon will be a tie with Arceus for a base stat total.
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** [[spoiler: But doesn't Ghetsis force Kyurem to turn them into stone?]]
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* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, seccond only to [[God Arceus]]), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.

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* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, seccond behind only to [[God Arceus]]), Arceus), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.

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* To get the Zekrom/Reshiram, you need to fight [[spoiler:N at ruins of his castle]], then go to Dragonspiral Tower. However, you get the correctly colored dragon, while first games gave you the wrong colored dragon. [[spoiler:Notice how N's dragon is at Lv. 70. The caught dragon is also at Lv. 70. You get the Pokémon from a stone you get after winning with N. Conclusion? YOU TURNED A POKÉMON INTO A STONE, JUST TO CAPTURE IT. Also, you're kinda a thief, as dragon was originally N's.]]

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* To get the Zekrom/Reshiram, you need to fight [[spoiler:N at ruins of his castle]], then go to Dragonspiral Tower. However, you get the correctly colored dragon, while first games gave you the wrong colored dragon. [[spoiler:Notice how N's dragon is at Lv. 70. The caught dragon is also at Lv. 70. You get the Pokémon from a stone you get after winning with N. Conclusion? YOU TURNED A POKÉMON INTO A STONE, JUST TO CAPTURE IT. Also, you're kinda a thief, as dragon was originally N's.]]]]
* Considering how powerful two of the tao trio fused together are (base stat total of 700, seccond only to [[God Arceus]]), one wonders how powerful the original dragon was that the three originated from.

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* (Continued from [[Fridge/PokemonBlackAndWhite the fridge page of these games' predecessors]].) It is pointed out in the Fridge page for the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' under Fridge Brilliance that in the those games, Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.

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* (Continued from [[Fridge/PokemonBlackAndWhite the fridge page of these games' predecessors]].) It is pointed out in the Fridge page for the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' under Fridge Brilliance that in the those games, Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.scapegoated.
* To get the Zekrom/Reshiram, you need to fight [[spoiler:N at ruins of his castle]], then go to Dragonspiral Tower. However, you get the correctly colored dragon, while first games gave you the wrong colored dragon. [[spoiler:Notice how N's dragon is at Lv. 70. The caught dragon is also at Lv. 70. You get the Pokémon from a stone you get after winning with N. Conclusion? YOU TURNED A POKÉMON INTO A STONE, JUST TO CAPTURE IT. Also, you're kinda a thief, as dragon was originally N's.]]
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* Bianca's slight redesign includes glasses. This seems like a somewhat inexplicable addition until you take into account how klutzy she is in the prequel - she's nearsighted!

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*** Beldum was available via swarm in Sinnoh, silly. Your Fridge Logic is invalid.
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** Bianca's slight redesign includes glasses. This seems like a somewhat inexplicable addition until you take into account how klutzy she is in the prequel - she's nearsighted!
** A slight bit, in the animated video. Bianca shows the protagonist and rival the three Poké Balls that contain the starters. It may just be because it was in the middle, but the camera focuses middle Poké Ball, and zooms out to see that the protagonist had his eye on it. Two scenes later, he is revealed to have an Emboar, meaning he chose Tepig. Tepig is in between Snivy and Oshawott in the Poké Dex, and thus would have been the Pokémon in the middle Poké Ball.

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** * Bianca's slight redesign includes glasses. This seems like a somewhat inexplicable addition until you take into account how klutzy she is in the prequel - she's nearsighted!
** * A slight bit, in the animated video. Bianca shows the protagonist and rival the three Poké Balls that contain the starters. It may just be because it was in the middle, but the camera focuses middle Poké Ball, and zooms out to see that the protagonist had his eye on it. Two scenes later, he is revealed to have an Emboar, meaning he chose Tepig. Tepig is in between Snivy and Oshawott in the Poké Dex, and thus would have been the Pokémon in the middle Poké Ball.

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* Why the mixed Pokédex? After you beat the Elite Four in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'', you gain the ability to catch Pokémon from the other regions of previous generations. Since these games take place two years after ''Black and White'', it makes sense that you would still have the access to them.
** Several of the older Pokémon already confirmed to be present in ''Black 2''/''White 2'' -- such as Eevee, Beldum, and Riolu -- were previously only obtainable as gift Pokémon or in the Safari Zone and not available in the wild. Perhaps they are actually native to Unova and imported to other regions?
** Also, in the previous game, a Trainer mentions that they are looking for Pokémon that escaped the [=PokéTransfer Lab=]. This must mean that the Pokémon escaped, fled throughout the region, and bred. In other words, [[FridgeHorror invasive species are taking over Unova]].
** Bianca's slight redesign includes glasses. This seems like a somewhat inexplicable addition until you take into account how klutzy she is in the prequel - she's nearsighted!
** A slight bit, in the animated video. Bianca shows the protagonist and rival the three Poké Balls that contain the starters. It may just be because it was in the middle, but the camera focuses middle Poké Ball, and zooms out to see that the protagonist had his eye on it. Two scenes later, he is revealed to have an Emboar, meaning he chose Tepig. Tepig is in between Snivy and Oshawott in the Poké Dex, and thus would have been the Pokémon in the middle Poké Ball.

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* Possibly; in the promotional video, assuming that what was shown were actual places in the game, [[spoiler:the frozen part of Unova was seen in tact, no buildings were torn apart or anything, just frozen over. Who is to say that there weren't [[AndIMustScream any people in those buildings]]?]]
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* It is pointed out in the Fridge page for the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' under Fridge Brilliance that in the those games, Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.

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* (Continued from [[Fridge/PokemonBlackAndWhite the fridge page of these games' predecessors]].) It is pointed out in the Fridge page for the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' under Fridge Brilliance that in the those games, Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.
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* It is pointed out in the Fridge page under Fridge Brilliance that in the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'', Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.

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* It is pointed out in the Fridge page for the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'' under Fridge Brilliance that in the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'', those games, Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.
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* It is pointed out in the Fridge page under Fridge Brilliance that in the original ''PokemonBlackAndWhite'', Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.

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