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* In the P4 story of Ultimax, Rise's Fake Shadow [[TheUnfought is the only one not fought.]] Hopefully she vanished when the Malevolent Entity was destroyed.... right? ''Right??''

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* Though many were disappointed when it was revealed [[spoiler: Hi-no-Kagutsuchi]] was the BigBad and ''not'' Nyarlathotep returning, it makes perfect sense for it to be them. Remember his story of origin: [[spoiler: Hi-no-Kagutsuchi's birth is what ''killed Izanami'' and ultimately led to her row with Izanagi. Izanagi, in turn, cut him to pieces.]] Given Yu's Persona and Marie's identity, there's perhaps no better successor to Izanami to ''be'' fought in this circumstance.



* Though many were disappointed when it was revealed [[spoiler: Hi-no-Kagutsuchi]] was the BigBad and ''not'' Nyarlathotep returning, it makes perfect sense for it to be them. Remember his story of origin: [[spoiler: Hi-no-Kagutsuchi's birth is what ''killed Izanami'' and ultimately led to her row with Izanagi. Izanagi, in turn, cut him to pieces.]] Given Yu's Persona and Marie's identity, there's perhaps no better successor to Izanami to ''be'' fought in this circumstance.
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* In Labrys' storymode the android bonds with a dog apparently abandoned by its master. Except the research base is on an island which presumably is not yet open to the public. So how did the dog get there?

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* In Labrys' storymode the android bonds with a dog apparently abandoned by its master. Except the research base is on an island which presumably is not yet open to the public. So how did the dog get there?there?
* Though many were disappointed when it was revealed [[spoiler: Hi-no-Kagutsuchi]] was the BigBad and ''not'' Nyarlathotep returning, it makes perfect sense for it to be them. Remember his story of origin: [[spoiler: Hi-no-Kagutsuchi's birth is what ''killed Izanami'' and ultimately led to her row with Izanagi. Izanagi, in turn, cut him to pieces.]] Given Yu's Persona and Marie's identity, there's perhaps no better successor to Izanami to ''be'' fought in this circumstance.

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* The Shadow characters in ''Ultimax'' have a general theme of sticking to the past - they reuse old tracks from ''Persona 3'' and ''4'', have the old autocombos from ''Arena'' and continue to bother their originals by using mannerisms they have already accepted or gotten over.

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* The Shadow characters in ''Ultimax'' have a general theme of sticking to the past - they reuse old tracks from ''Persona 3'' and ''4'', have the old autocombos from ''Arena'' and continue to bother their originals by using mannerisms they have already accepted or gotten over.over.
* Why two fighting tournaments as opposed to any other evil plot? Sho only knows how to develop bonds through fighting. He was subconsciously setting up situations where in his eyes their bonds would grow stronger and in the second game, he could bond with them.

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*** And yet Teddie's persona is still Kintoki-Douji rather than Kamui, despite his S.Link being mandatory. This is only not true if the Bad Ending is canon which would contradict Yu having the ultimate form of Izanagi.

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*** And yet Teddie's persona is still Kintoki-Douji rather than Kamui, despite his S.Link being mandatory. This is only not true if the Bad Ending is canon which would contradict Yu having the ultimate form of Izanagi.Izanagi.
* The Shadow characters in ''Ultimax'' have a general theme of sticking to the past - they reuse old tracks from ''Persona 3'' and ''4'', have the old autocombos from ''Arena'' and continue to bother their originals by using mannerisms they have already accepted or gotten over.

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* Labrys is the ''5th'' Generation Anti-Shadow Suppression Weapon… that means that at some point, four previous generations of robots (with hearts, feelings, etc.) were put through the same kind of hell that she was. That's messed up.

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* Labrys is the ''5th'' Generation Anti-Shadow Suppression Weapon… that means that at some point, four previous generations of robots (with hearts, feelings, etc.) were put through the same kind of hell that she was. That's messed up.up.
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*In Labrys' storymode the android bonds with a dog apparently abandoned by its master. Except the research base is on an island which presumably is not yet open to the public. So how did the dog get there?
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***And yet Teddie's persona is still Kintoki-Douji rather than Kamui, despite his S.Link being mandatory. This is only not true if the Bad Ending is canon which would contradict Yu having the ultimate form of Izanagi.
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** Further, the Persona 3 cast all upgraded their Personas through unavoidable story events. The Persona 4 cast got their Ultimate Personas through maxing their Social Links, which is technically optional. This game avoids making any Social Links from P4 explicitly canon, so in order to maintain that they can't have their ultimate Personas. Due to them being plot-related, there's not doubt all the P3 Ultimate Personas are canon, so that's why they're here.

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* In ''Ultimax'' every character, from Narukami, to Aigis have a shadow counterpart as a playable character. However, several characters don't, those being Elizabeth, Marie, Adachi, Sho (both verisons), and Margaret. The reason this is so important is that all of these characters are bosses or major antagonist's who don't have a shadow. Elizabeth and Margaret are hardly human, Adachi was shown without one and it's implied he never had one, Marie is a PhysicalGod, and Sho is the BigBad of the game, thus justifying why they don't have one.

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* In ''Ultimax'' every character, from Narukami, to Aigis have a shadow counterpart as a playable character. However, several characters don't, those being Elizabeth, Marie, Adachi, Sho (both verisons), and Margaret. The reason this is so important is that all of these characters are bosses or major antagonist's antagonists who don't have a shadow. Shadow. Elizabeth and Margaret are hardly human, Adachi was shown without one and it's implied he never had one, Marie is a PhysicalGod, and Sho is the BigBad of the game, thus justifying why they don't have one.one.
* Throwing an obvious one, but the reason why the Shadow Operatives have their final Personas (save for poor Koro-chan) while the Investigation Team are stuck with their initial ones is chalked up to experience. Junpei, Yukari, Ken and Koromaru (funnily enough, all were added to ''Ultimax'') have been fighting since 2009, while Aigis, Mitsuru and Akihiko (the three P3 representatives in vanilla ''Arena'') having more experience before that. Compare that to the Investigation Team, who are still green when matched up in terms of experience.
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** Still a third possibility presents itself in the form of Metis, a character introduced in Persona 3 The Answer. At first introduced as Aigis' "little sister" it eventually comes out that Metis was Aigis' discarded desire to be human. While she is never positively identified as a Shadow, her existence is rather similar to the repressed selves of Persona 4, although she is rather friendly toward her other self. And notably, Metis also used a Persona much like Shadow Labrys seems able to. Perhaps it is a trait inherent in Kirijo group robots that even their shadow selves can develop a Persona?
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** The actual reason is, apparently, that she got picked up on set without taking any time to switch out of her costume.
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* In Ultimax every character, from Narukami, to Aigis have a shadow counterpart as a playable character. However, several character's don't, those being Elizabeth, Maire, Adachi, Sho(Both verisons), and Margaret. The reason this is so important is that all of these characters are bosses or major antagonist's who don't have a shadow. Elizabeth and Margaret are hardly human, Adachi was shown without one and it's implied he never had one, Maire is a PhysicalGod, and Sho is the BigBad of the game, thus justifying why they don't have one.

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* In Ultimax ''Ultimax'' every character, from Narukami, to Aigis have a shadow counterpart as a playable character. However, several character's characters don't, those being Elizabeth, Maire, Marie, Adachi, Sho(Both Sho (both verisons), and Margaret. The reason this is so important is that all of these characters are bosses or major antagonist's who don't have a shadow. Elizabeth and Margaret are hardly human, Adachi was shown without one and it's implied he never had one, Maire Marie is a PhysicalGod, and Sho is the BigBad of the game, thus justifying why they don't have one.
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* In Ultimax every character, from Narukami, to Aigis have a shadow counterpart as a playable character. However, several character's don't, those being Elizabeth, Maire, Adachi, Sho(Both verisons), and Margaret. The reason this is so important is that all of these characters are bosses or major antagonist's who don't have a shadow. Elizabeth and Margaret are hardly human, Adachi was shown without one and it's implied he never had one, Maire is a PhysicalGod, and Sho is the BigBad of the game, thus justifying why they don't have one.
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* Labrys is the ''5th'' Generation Anti-Shadow Suppression Weapon...that means that at some point, four previous generations of robots (with hearts, feelings, etc) were put through the same kind of hell that she was. That's messed up.

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* Labrys is the ''5th'' Generation Anti-Shadow Suppression Weapon...Weapon… that means that at some point, four previous generations of robots (with hearts, feelings, etc) etc.) were put through the same kind of hell that she was. That's messed up.
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* Mitsuru and Akihiko both can use specials even when their Personae are broken, in contrast to the other characters. This makes sense because unlike the others, they both have had years of training in what they do best (fencing and boxing respectively)!

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* Mitsuru and Akihiko both can use specials even when their Personae are broken, in contrast to the other characters. This makes sense because unlike the others, they both have had years of training in what they do best (fencing and boxing respectively)!respectively)!

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* Labrys is the ''5th'' Generation Anti-Shadow Suppression Weapon...that means that at some point, four previous generations of robots (with hearts, feelings, etc) were put through the same kind of hell that she was. That's messed up.
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** It still fits, though, because blue is also the signature color of the DarkerAndEdgier ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}''.

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** It still fits, though, because blue is also the signature color of the DarkerAndEdgier ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}''. There's also a bit of {{Foreshadowing}}: what is ''Ultimax's'' main color?
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** Taking this into account, this also explains why Shadow Aigis isn't anything like [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Metis]], who in contrast represented Aigis' suppressed human side.

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** Taking this into account, this also explains why Shadow Aigis isn't anything is nothing like [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Metis]], who in contrast represented Aigis' suppressed human side.
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** Taking this into account, this also explains why Shadow Aigis isn't anything like Metis, who in contrast represented Aigis' suppressed human side.
* Mitsuru and Akihiko both can use specials even when their Persona's are broken, in contrast to the other characters. This makes sense because unlike the others, they both have had years of training in what they do best! (Boxing and Fencing respectively)

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** Taking this into account, this also explains why Shadow Aigis isn't anything like Metis, [[VideoGame/{{Persona 3}} Metis]], who in contrast represented Aigis' suppressed human side.
* Mitsuru and Akihiko both can use specials even when their Persona's Personae are broken, in contrast to the other characters. This makes sense because unlike the others, they both have had years of training in what they do best! (Boxing best (fencing and Fencing respectively)boxing respectively)!
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** Taking this into account, this also explains why Shadow Aigis isn't anything like Metis, who in contrast represented Aigis' suppressed human side.

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** Taking this into account, this also explains why Shadow Aigis isn't anything like Metis, who in contrast represented Aigis' suppressed human side.side.
* Mitsuru and Akihiko both can use specials even when their Persona's are broken, in contrast to the other characters. This makes sense because unlike the others, they both have had years of training in what they do best! (Boxing and Fencing respectively)
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* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realize that Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Despite being an EvilKnockoff created by [[BigBad the Malevolent Entity]], Aigis' ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.

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* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realize that Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Despite being an EvilKnockoff created by [[BigBad the Malevolent Entity]], Aigis' ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.kill.
** Taking this into account, this also explains why Shadow Aigis isn't anything like Metis, who in contrast represented Aigis' suppressed human side.
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** Doesn't apply with European release, which instead has a blue backdrop.

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** Doesn't This doesn't apply with the European release, which instead has a blue backdrop.
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** Another factor could be that Labrys was developed with intention of summoning a Persona. Since the scientists thought that [[InsaneTrollLogic a weapon with an ego shouldn't have feelings]], it would make sense that her personification of pain and suffering would manifest itself as a perversion of a Persona user.

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** Another factor could be that Labrys was developed with intention of summoning a Persona. Since the scientists thought that [[InsaneTrollLogic a weapon with an ego shouldn't have feelings]], it would make sense that her personification of pain and suffering would manifest itself as a perversion of a Persona user.Persona-user.
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* The male Yasogami uniforms have a roman numeral on the collar signifying what year the wearer is in — in ''Persona 4'', Yu and Yosuke had a "II" while Kanji and Naoto had a "I". In ''Arena'', Yosuke has a "III" and Kanji has a "II", but Yu still has a "II"… because he's no longer a Yasogami student and is using his old second year uniform.

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* The male Yasogami uniforms have a roman numeral on the collar signifying what year the wearer is in — in ''Persona 4'', Yu and Yosuke had a "II" while Kanji and Naoto had a "I". In ''Arena'', Yosuke has a "III" and Kanji has a "II", but Yu still has a "II"… because he's no longer a Yasogami student and is using his old second year second-year uniform.
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* The male Yasogami uniforms have a roman numeral on the collar signifying what year the wearer is in-- in Persona 4, Yu and Yosuke had a "II" while Kanji and Naoto had a "I". In Arena, Yosuke has a "III" and Kanji has a "II", but Yu still has a "II"... because he's no longer a Yasogami student and is using his old second year uniform.

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* The male Yasogami uniforms have a roman numeral on the collar signifying what year the wearer is in-- in Persona 4, — in ''Persona 4'', Yu and Yosuke had a "II" while Kanji and Naoto had a "I". In Arena, ''Arena'', Yosuke has a "III" and Kanji has a "II", but Yu still has a "II"... "II"… because he's no longer a Yasogami student and is using his old second year uniform.
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* The male Yasogami uniforms have a roman numeral on the collar signifying what year the wearer is in-- in Persona 4, Yu and Yosuke had a "II" while Kanji and Naoto had a "I". In Arena, Yosuke has a "III" and Kanji has a "II", but Yu still has a "II"... because he's no longer a Yasogami student and is using his old second year uniform.
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* Yukari, whose Persona, Isis, is of the Lovers Arcana, dresses in the Pink Argus costume. This may be a call back to ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}: Innocent Sin''; Lisa Silverman was Pink Argus complete with mask when she played with her friends during her childhood. Her starting Persona is Eros, also of the Lovers Arcana.
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* Just noticed this game's disc is a darker shade of yellow than the original's PS2 disc. Then I realized it's because the P4 story just became DarkerAndEdgier.

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* Just noticed this game's disc is a darker shade of yellow than the original's PS2 disc. Then I realized it's because the P4 ''P4'' story just became DarkerAndEdgier.



* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realize that Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Despite being an EvilKnockoff created by the Malevolent Entity, Aigis' ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.

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* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realize that Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Despite being an EvilKnockoff created by [[BigBad the Malevolent Entity, Entity]], Aigis' ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.
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* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realize that Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Her ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.

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* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realize that Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Her Despite being an EvilKnockoff created by the Malevolent Entity, Aigis' ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.
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* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realise Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Her ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.

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* So Shadow Aigis is AxCrazy and just wants to kill everything. This actually makes a lot of sense when you realise realize that Aigis was designed to be a ''weapon'', [[IAmNotAGun but she chose to live as a normal human instead.]] Her ShadowArchetype is the part of herself that she denies: the part made to fight and kill.

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