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** To be fair [[TimeAbyss by the time]] UsefulNotes/BlackHoles evaporate through Hawking Radiation the universe will be in a state of [[WorldOfSilence extreme entropy]] and on the verge of heat death, so unleashing an EldritchAbomination of pure chaos wouldn't change much. Not such comfort for the stars though...

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The ''VideoGame/{{Marathon}}'' series has plenty of story depth that may not be immediately apparent to players. Here are some examples.

(Fridge material for fan games has been moved to Fridge.MarathonExpandedUniverse.)



* The fan game ''Eternal'' has been through several different revisions, but although the events of the plot are somewhat different between them, it's possible for them all to be part of ''Eternal''[='=]s canon [[spoiler:because it has a "[[StableTimeLoop metastable time loop]]", wherein one timeline's events result in very similar events happening in the next timeline]]. At the same time, this means it's not necessary to have played an earlier version to comprehend a newer version's plot.

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* The fan game ''Eternal'' has been through several different revisions, but although the events of the plot are somewhat different between them, it's possible for them all to be part of ''Eternal''[='=]s canon [[spoiler:because it has a "[[StableTimeLoop metastable time loop]]", wherein one timeline's events result in very similar events happening in the next timeline]]. At the same time, this means it's not necessary to have played an earlier version to comprehend a newer version's plot.



* In Infinity and in Durandal we find out that the W'rkncacnter are not threatening when trapped in their prisons, however all of their prisons (blackholes, storms, stars, ect.) are temporary at best, meaning they would eventually get out, and having no way to kill them adds to the fear factor.

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* In Infinity and in Durandal we find out that the W'rkncacnter are not threatening when trapped in their prisons, however prisons; however, all of their prisons (blackholes, (black holes, storms, stars, ect.etc.) are temporary at best, meaning they would eventually get out, and having no way to kill them adds to the fear factor.



* Lysander from ''Rubicon'' is a major source of this in general, but particular note goes to [[spoiler:Durandal's shift in attitude towards him near the end of the Salinger Plank; prior to the last chapter, Durandal seemed to regard Lysander as just another enemy, albeit more irritating than usual (casually referring to him as "blitheringly sociopathic" during the SO's escape from the Pfhor ship, for example). Then he informs the SO that Lysander is another Traxus Derivative Model like the ''Marathon'' AIs, and orders them to put him down. No sarcastic remarks or even anger over how much trouble Lysander's been giving the duo--Durandal sounds downright somber, and not just because he didn't get to question Lysander, either. Well, to know that Lysander was a TDM, Durandal would have had to do some deep digging--say, during the chapter "Distant Orbit", when Lysander's focus isn't entirely on the ''Salinger''--and it's highly unlikely that he could find this information without also discovering the horrific abuse Lysander was subjected to...]]
** [[spoiler:Given that Durandal himself is implied to have been subjected to horrific abuses by Strauss, it's quite likely possible he's started to regard Lysander with some degree of pity as well, which arguably turns the whole thing into a bit of a Fridge TearJerker, too.]]
** [[spoiler:You'd think Dangi would keep a close eye on the primary developer of the ''Achilles'' virus and make sure that he didn't, oh, say, snap and escalate its lethality to apocalyptic levels...but they didn't, suggesting that Dangi thought he was too broken down to even conceive of such a thing. Another way in which they treated this sentient being like a tool.]]
** [[spoiler:Per Word of God, Lysander was slated for execution once ''Achilles'' was released. He says that he "gave you" those core dump override chips (themselves presumably advanced programs that couldn't be hastily written minutes after the attack on the station), not that he ''made'' them...]]
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* The fan game ''Eternal'' has been through several different revisions, but although the events of the plot are somewhat different between them, it's possible for them all to be part of ''Eternal''[='=]s canon [[spoiler:because it has a "[[StableTimeLoop metastable time loop]]", wherein one timeline's events result in very similar events happening in the next timeline]]. At the same time, this means it's not necessary to have played an earlier version to comprehend a newer version's plot.
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* Humanity and the Pfhor are really NotSoDifferent in some ways. Beyond our own sordid history enslaving our own species, [[spoiler:Bernhard Strauss effectively created the AIs to be humanity's sentient servants, and his treatment of them is strongly implied to resemble ParentalAbuse]]. The game, of course, explicitly condemns the Pfhor for owning other sentient races as slaves - but the S'pht themselves are an artificial race. The Pfhor didn't create them themselves, but the comparison can still be drawn. Moreover, [[spoiler:it's shown in the second game that Tycho bears some massive scars from his time serving humanity, arguably pushing him into WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds territory]]. The games often take BlackAndGreyMorality to some ''very dark '' places.

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* Humanity and the Pfhor are really NotSoDifferent not so different in some ways. Beyond our own sordid history enslaving our own species, [[spoiler:Bernhard Strauss effectively created the AIs to be humanity's sentient servants, and his treatment of them is strongly implied to resemble ParentalAbuse]]. The game, of course, explicitly condemns the Pfhor for owning other sentient races as slaves - but the S'pht themselves are an artificial race. The Pfhor didn't create them themselves, but the comparison can still be drawn. Moreover, [[spoiler:it's shown in the second game that Tycho bears some massive scars from his time serving humanity, arguably pushing him into WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds territory]]. The games often take BlackAndGreyMorality to some ''very dark '' places.
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** [[spoiler:Given that Durandal himself is implied to have been subjected to horrific abuses by Strauss, it's quite likely possible he's started to regard Lysander with some degree of pity as well, which arguably turns the whole thing into a bit of a Fridge TearJerker, too.]]
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** [[spoiler:Per Word of God, Lysander was slated for execution once ''Achilles'' was released. He says that he "gave you" those core dump override chips (themselves presumably advanced programs that couldn't be hastily written minutes after the attack on the station), not that he ''made'' them...]]

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* Lysander from ''Rubicon'' is a fairly big source of this in general, but particular note goes to [[spoiler:Durandal's shift in attitude towards him near the end of the Salinger Plank; prior to the last chapter, Durandal seemed to regard Lysander as just another enemy, albeit more irritating than usual (casually referring to him as "blitheringly sociopathic" during the SO's escape from the Pfhor ship, for example). Then he informs the SO that Lysander is another Traxus Derivative Model like the ''Marathon'' AIs, and orders them to put him down. No sarcastic remarks or even anger over how much trouble Lysander's been giving the duo--Durandal sounds downright somber, and not just because he didn't get to question Lysander, either. Well, to know that Lysander was a TDM, Durandal would have had to do some deep digging--say, during the chapter "Distant Orbit", when Lysander's focus isn't entirely on the ''Salinger''--and it's highly unlikely that he could find this information without also discovering the horrific abuse Lysander was subjected to...]]

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* Lysander from ''Rubicon'' is a fairly big major source of this in general, but particular note goes to [[spoiler:Durandal's shift in attitude towards him near the end of the Salinger Plank; prior to the last chapter, Durandal seemed to regard Lysander as just another enemy, albeit more irritating than usual (casually referring to him as "blitheringly sociopathic" during the SO's escape from the Pfhor ship, for example). Then he informs the SO that Lysander is another Traxus Derivative Model like the ''Marathon'' AIs, and orders them to put him down. No sarcastic remarks or even anger over how much trouble Lysander's been giving the duo--Durandal sounds downright somber, and not just because he didn't get to question Lysander, either. Well, to know that Lysander was a TDM, Durandal would have had to do some deep digging--say, during the chapter "Distant Orbit", when Lysander's focus isn't entirely on the ''Salinger''--and it's highly unlikely that he could find this information without also discovering the horrific abuse Lysander was subjected to...]] ]]
** [[spoiler:You'd think Dangi would keep a close eye on the primary developer of the ''Achilles'' virus and make sure that he didn't, oh, say, snap and escalate its lethality to apocalyptic levels...but they didn't, suggesting that Dangi thought he was too broken down to even conceive of such a thing. Another way in which they treated this sentient being like a tool.]]
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* Lysander from ''Rubicon'' is a fairly big source of this in general, but particular note goes to [[spoiler:Durandal's shift in attitude towards him near the end of the Salinger Plank; prior to the last chapter, Durandal seemed to regard Lysander as just another enemy, albeit more irritating than usual (casually referring to him as "blitheringly sociopathic" during the SO's escape from the Pfhor ship, for example). Then he informs the SO that Lysander is another Traxus Derivative Model like the ''Marathon'' AIs, and orders them to put him down. No sarcastic remarks or even anger over how much trouble Lysander's been giving the duo--Durandal sounds downright somber, and not just because he didn't get to question Lysander, either. Well, to know that Lysander was a TDM, Durandal would have had to do some deep digging--say, during the chapter "Distant Orbit", when Lysander's focus isn't entirely on the ''Salinger''--and it's highly unlikely that he could find this information without also discovering the horrific abuse Lysander was subjected to...]]
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* Humanity and the Pfhor are really NotSoDifferent in some ways. Beyond our own sordid history enslaving our own species, [[spoiler:Bernhard Strauss effectively created the AIs to be humanity's sentient servants, and his treatment of them is strongly implied to resemble ParentalAbuse]]. The game, of course, explicitly condemns the Pfhor for owning other sentient races as slaves - but the S'pht themselves are an artificial race. The Pfhor didn't create them themselves, but the comparison can still be drawn. Moreover, [[spoiler:it's shown in the second game that Tycho bears some massive scars from his time serving humanity, arguably pushing him into WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds territory]]. The games often take BlackAndGreyMorality to some ''very dark '' places.
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* A fairly big one from M2: [[spoiler: Durandal spends a little over a month trapped in a containment unit within the Battle Group that sank ''Boomer''. A containment unit of his vindictive, dubiously-stable younger brother's design, that said brother presumably has full access to. You'd think that Durandal, when he finally escapes and reunites with the Security Officer, would be eager to tell him all the sordid little details of his victory over Tycho--but he leaves it at "Tycho was a fool". What the hell did Tycho ''do'' to him in that time that Durandal apparently doesn't want to talk about?]]
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** It's possible you only get an AndIMustScream scenario if you die in the vicinity of a W'rkncacnter, like in the Yucatan pyramid.
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* You can ''dual-wield shotguns''--a feat that, in real life, would snap your arms like twigs [[spoiler: unless you were a battleroid]].
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* The cyborg tanks in the second and third games are confirmed by WordOfGod to be created from captured humans. When one thinks about the fact that the Pfhor are slavers and have thousands of years of history, one considers that they have probably done something similar to all of the races they've enslaved. There is also a theory that the "assimilated [=BoBs=]" - which look human, run up to you, and explode - might actually be captured humans as well, but the game says they're artificial constructs (however, whether this is actually the case is open to interpretation). Either way they're a pretty strong source of FridgeHorror as well.

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* The cyborg tanks in the second and third games are confirmed by WordOfGod to be created from captured humans. When one thinks about the fact that the Pfhor are slavers and have thousands of years of history, one considers that they have probably done something similar to all of the races they've enslaved. There is also a theory that the "assimilated [=BoBs=]" - which look human, run up to you, and explode - might actually be captured humans as well, but the game says they're artificial constructs (however, whether this is actually the case is open to interpretation).interpretation, as the games flip-flop a bit on this point). Either way they're a pretty strong source of FridgeHorror as well.
* Tycho's personality notably does a complete one-eighty between the first game (where he demands justice for the colonists that Durandal's actions have endangered) and the next two (where he is...much less concerned with that, among other things). Obviously, going Rampant had a lot to do with that, but in one of his few terminals in M1, he informs Durandal that the S'pht rebuilt him in Durandal's image. Tycho has this habit of trying too hard to be poetic, but assuming that he was speaking literally here, well--as [[http://forums.bungie.org/story/?noframes;read=69216 was asked]] in this longer discussion on his character: to what extent is Tycho still himself? How much of him was remodeled/discarded to emulate Durandal in his unstable Anger stage, and how much is a complete mess from incompatibility?
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* I had wondered why Durandal turned down godhood for a long time. I called it a DarthWiki/WallBanger, I called him too dumb to live, and more, but now I see the reason why. He doesn't want to be alone. Sure, he'd be a god, powerful enough to reshape his new universe, and able to do anything, but he would be alone. Also, he would know everything. He wants to know everything, but once he reaches that goal, he'd have no purpose. He would be lonely and unable to learn. That is a FateWorseThanDeath.

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* I had wondered why Why did Durandal turned turn down godhood for a long time. I called it a DarthWiki/WallBanger, I called him too dumb to live, and more, but now I see the reason why. godhood? He doesn't want to be alone. Sure, he'd be a god, powerful enough to reshape his new universe, and able to do anything, but he would be alone. Also, he would know everything. He wants to know everything, but once he reaches that goal, he'd have no purpose. He would be lonely and unable to learn. That is a FateWorseThanDeath.


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* This one goes hand in hand with AndIMustScream. It turns out that PathwaysIntoDarkness and Marathon are in the same universe, and in that universe, when you die you are forever stuck in your body for the rest of eternity, or it is implied.

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* This one goes hand in hand with AndIMustScream. It turns out that PathwaysIntoDarkness ''VideoGame/PathwaysIntoDarkness'' and Marathon ''Marathon'' are in the same universe, and in that universe, when you die you are forever stuck in your body for the rest of eternity, or it is implied.
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* I had wondered why Durandal turned down godhood for a long time. I called it a DarthWiki/WallBanger, I called him too dumb to live, and more, but now I see the reason why. He doesn't want to be alone. Sure, he'd be a god, powerful enough to reshape his new universe, and able to do anything, but he would be alone. Also, he would know everything. He wants to know everything, but once he reaches that goal, he'd have no purpose. He would be lonely and unable to learn. That is a fate worse than death.

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* I had wondered why Durandal turned down godhood for a long time. I called it a DarthWiki/WallBanger, I called him too dumb to live, and more, but now I see the reason why. He doesn't want to be alone. Sure, he'd be a god, powerful enough to reshape his new universe, and able to do anything, but he would be alone. Also, he would know everything. He wants to know everything, but once he reaches that goal, he'd have no purpose. He would be lonely and unable to learn. That is a fate worse than death.FateWorseThanDeath.



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* [[spoiler:''Infinity'', such as the chapters after the Prologue being: '''D'''espair, '''R'''age, and '''E'''nvy, and the final level being '''A'''ye '''M'''ak '''S'''icur.]]



* This one goes hand in hand with AndIMustScream. It turns out that PathwaysIntoDarkness and Marathon are in the same universe, and in that universe, when you die you are forever stuck in your body for the rest of eternity, or it is implied.

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* This one goes hand in hand with AndIMustScream. It turns out that PathwaysIntoDarkness and Marathon are in the same universe, and in that universe, when you die you are forever stuck in your body for the rest of eternity, or it is implied.implied.
* The cyborg tanks in the second and third games are confirmed by WordOfGod to be created from captured humans. When one thinks about the fact that the Pfhor are slavers and have thousands of years of history, one considers that they have probably done something similar to all of the races they've enslaved. There is also a theory that the "assimilated [=BoBs=]" - which look human, run up to you, and explode - might actually be captured humans as well, but the game says they're artificial constructs (however, whether this is actually the case is open to interpretation). Either way they're a pretty strong source of FridgeHorror as well.
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* The amount of detail that went into the plot sometimes is just staggering. [[http://marathon.bungie.org/story/hangbrainchip.html Here (massive spoilers)]] is a good example of something that does not make the slightest bit of sense when you first play Infinity, but players have puzzled out what the developers were thinking when they developed the game and come up with explanations that make perfect sense. This is one of only dozens of examples, as well.
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* In Infinity and in Durandal we find out that the W'rkncacnter are not threatening when trapped in their prisons, however all of their prisons (blackholes, storms, stars, ect.) are temporary at best, meaning they would eventually get out, and having no way to kill them adds to the fear factor.

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* In Infinity and in Durandal we find out that the W'rkncacnter are not threatening when trapped in their prisons, however all of their prisons (blackholes, storms, stars, ect.) are temporary at best, meaning they would eventually get out, and having no way to kill them adds to the fear factor.factor.
* This one goes hand in hand with AndIMustScream. It turns out that PathwaysIntoDarkness and Marathon are in the same universe, and in that universe, when you die you are forever stuck in your body for the rest of eternity, or it is implied.
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* I had wondered why [[{{Marathon}} Durandal]] turned down godhood for a long time. I called it a DarthWiki/WallBanger, I called him too dumb to live, and more, but now I see the reason why. He doesn't want to be alone. Sure, he'd be a god, powerful enough to reshape his new universe, and able to do anything, but he would be alone. Also, he would know everything. He wants to know everything, but once he reaches that goal, he'd have no purpose. He would be lonely and unable to learn. That is a fate worse than death.

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* I had wondered why [[{{Marathon}} Durandal]] Durandal turned down godhood for a long time. I called it a DarthWiki/WallBanger, I called him too dumb to live, and more, but now I see the reason why. He doesn't want to be alone. Sure, he'd be a god, powerful enough to reshape his new universe, and able to do anything, but he would be alone. Also, he would know everything. He wants to know everything, but once he reaches that goal, he'd have no purpose. He would be lonely and unable to learn. That is a fate worse than death.



* In [[{{Marathon}} Infinity]] and in Durandal we find out that the W'rkncacnter are not threatening when trapped in their prisons, however all of their prisons (blackholes, storms, stars, ect.) are temporary at best, meaning they would eventually get out, and having no way to kill them adds to the fear factor.

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* In [[{{Marathon}} Infinity]] Infinity and in Durandal we find out that the W'rkncacnter are not threatening when trapped in their prisons, however all of their prisons (blackholes, storms, stars, ect.) are temporary at best, meaning they would eventually get out, and having no way to kill them adds to the fear factor.
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* In ''Infinity'', the W'rkncacnter affects all the timelines. [[spoiler: By preventing its release in one timeline, the player did it for all of them.]]
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*In [[{{Marathon}} Infinity]] and in Durandal we find out that the W'rkncacnter are not threatening when trapped in their prisons, however all of their prisons (blackholes, storms, stars, ect.) are temporary at best, meaning they would eventually get out, and having no way to kill them adds to the fear factor.

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