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** Enjolras never finds out [[spoiler:how many guns they have. Both times that he asks Feuilly and Combeferre if they have the guns they need, he gets interrupted before they can answer: first by Grantaire, then by Gavroche.]]

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** Enjolras never finds out [[spoiler:how many guns they have. Both times that he asks Feuilly and Combeferre if they have the guns they need, he gets interrupted before they can answer: first by Grantaire, then by Gavroche.]]]] - CuteQueenPika
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* In "Do You Hear the People Sing"
** Enjolras never finds out [[spoiler:how many guns they have. Both times that he asks Feuilly and Combeferre if they have the guns they need, he gets interrupted before they can answer: first by Grantaire, then by Gavroche.]]
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* In the ending [[spoiler: when Fantine and Eponine take Valjean's soul to Heaven, all who died during the book are there...except Javert. Because he committed suicide, his soul is either in Hell or, at the very least, in Purgatory, deprived from his eternal peace. There's [[http://www.pontauchange.com/Oddities/lastduet.html a prolonged alternative ending]] to the musical where Valjean beseech God to absolve Javert and it ends with Valjean guiding Javert's soul to Heaven in turn, but it hasn't been used in any adaptions so far.

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* In the ending [[spoiler: when Fantine and Eponine take Valjean's soul to Heaven, all who died during the book are there...except Javert. Because he committed suicide, his soul is either in Hell or, at the very least, in Purgatory, deprived from his eternal peace. There's ]] There's [[http://www.pontauchange.com/Oddities/lastduet.html a prolonged alternative ending]] to the musical where [[spoiler: Valjean beseech God to absolve Javert and it ends with Valjean guiding Javert's soul to Heaven in turn, turn,]] but it hasn't been used in any adaptions so far. far.
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* In the ending [[spoiler: when Fantine and Eponine take Valjean's soul to Heaven, all who died during the book are there...except Javert. Because he committed suicide, his soul is either in Hell or, at the very least, in Purgatory, deprived from his eternal peace. There's [[http://www.pontauchange.com/Oddities/lastduet.html a prolonged alternative ending]] to the musical where Valjean beseech God to absolve Javert and it ends with Valjean guiding Javert's soul to Heaven in turn, but it hasn't been used in any adaptions so far.
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* Another reference to the tides - "Could it be he's some old jailbird/that the tide now washes in?" [[spoiler: And like the tide, Valjean goes 'out' as well; he escapes from both Javert, who's singing, /and/ the barricades!]]
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** This is a great idea, I'm sad to Joss it -- having seen the film in Paris, this troper can confirm that there wasn't a single cinema playing a dubbed version of the film anywhere in the city. I don't think they even ''made'' a dub.
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His birthday is February 26th 1802


* Jean Valjean's prison number, 24601, is the same as Victor Hugo's birthday, the 24th of June, 1801 - therefore, 24/6/01.
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* In the 2012 film, Sacha Baron Cohen's Thenardier accent slips between Cockney, over-the-top French, and a bit of fake plummy in between, making him the only character to have any kind of French accent (for everyone else, [[TheQueensLatin The Queens French]] applies). This differs from the norm in which the character just slips between Cockney and a fake plummy accent. However, this might make sense, as the novel suggests that Thenardier might not actually be French, but instead a Belgian who lived near Waterloo and started passing himself off as French at the same time he started passing himself off s a soldier. Thus, as part of TranslationConvention, Cohen's Thenardier does the usual slip between lower class accent and fake upper class one, but he also has the noticeable French accent to mirror how the character's actual background is with Belgian French or Flemish, but is putting on a French (from France) accent

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* In the 2012 film, Sacha Baron Cohen's Thenardier accent slips between Cockney, over-the-top French, and a bit of fake plummy in between, making him the only character to have any kind of French accent (for everyone else, [[TheQueensLatin The Queens French]] applies). This differs from the norm in which the character just slips between Cockney and a fake plummy accent. However, this might make sense, as the novel suggests that Thenardier might not actually be French, but instead a Belgian who lived near Waterloo and started passing himself off as French at the same time he started passing himself off s as a soldier. Thus, as part of TranslationConvention, Cohen's Thenardier does the usual slip between lower class accent and fake upper class one, but he also has the noticeable French accent to mirror how the character's actual background is with Belgian French or Flemish, but is putting on a French (from France) accent
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* In the 2012 film, Sacha Baron Cohen's Thenardier accent slips between Cockney, over-the-top French, and a bit of fake plummy in between, making him the only character to have any kind of French accent (for everyone else, [[TheQueensLatin The Queens French]] applies). This differs from the norm in which the character just slips between Cockney and a fake plummy accent. However, this might make sense, as the novel suggests that Thenardier might not actually be French, but instead a Belgian who lived near Waterloo and started passing himself off as French at the same time he started passing himself off s a soldier. Thus, as part of TranslationConvention, Cohen's Thenardier does the usual slip between lower class accent and fake upper class one, but he also has the noticeable French accent to mirror how the character's actual background is with Belgian French or Flemish, but is putting on a French (from France) accent
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* In the 2012 film, Cosette sings "Castle on a Cloud" to a makeshift baby doll she's made from rags. She spends the entire song cradling it, occasionally whispering in its ear, seemingly apropos of nothing. But this makes a lot more sense when you realize the French version of the song is actually entirely different -- it's about how much she wants a doll to play with and dress up, and how the doll would be like a daughter to her. They choreographed the song this way just to make the international dubbing easier -- sort of a filmmakers' version of TheDevTeamThinksofEverything.
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* In the novel the narrator remarks that Madame Thenardier wont hire maids for their inn anymore, since her husband would go after them. This is the exact reason why they keep Cosette. Now imagine what would have happened if Cosette had still been with them when finally hitting puberty (or probably even before.)
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* Jean Valjean's prison number, 24601, is the same as Victor Hugo's birthday, the 24th of June, 1801 - therefore, 24/6/01.
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* In the 2012 film, Valjean manages to casually see through every one of the Thenardier's well-practiced routines to pick his pocket. Having spent 19 years in jail, Valjean has learned a thing or two.
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* In the film version of the musical, Valjean starts as a convict with a shaven head, dressed in red tatters. By the time Fantine is arrested and confronts Valjean, her head's been shorn and she's wearing a bright red dress, as an ironic echo of Valjean's own helplessness and powerlessness.
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** Assuming he wasn't just lying so he could get more money. He told Marius that his wife was still alive.
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*In the novel, Thenardier asks for money to support three people, even though the only family he has left is his younger daughter, Azelma. Earlier in the novel, when the Patron-Minette was breaking him and Babet out of prison, it described Montparnasse, the handsome young dandy of the group, to be practically a son-in-law to Thenardier. Thenardier wanted the extra money so he could bring Montparnasse and marry Azelma off to him.
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* Most people are very divided on Russel Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so too does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as he orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.

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* Most people are very divided on Russel Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so too does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as he He orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.
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* Most people are very divided on Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Russel Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so too does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as he orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.

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* Most people are very divided on Russel Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Russel Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so too does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as he orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.
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* Most people are very divided on Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Russel Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so to does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as he orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.

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* Most people are very divided on Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Russel Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so to too does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as he orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.
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* A lot of people seem to be divided on Russel Crowe's performance of Javert, especially in "Stars". However, consider the placing of the song in the film. It's right after Valjean has gotten away from Javert for the second time. Javert is calmly walking on the edge of a building as he sings out to the city. Crowe's interpretation of the song isn't meant to be the swearing of a crusade. It's meant to be taken as more of a softer reassurance that Javert will catch Valjean because of his faith in the law and the ways of the world, just as he has faith that he won't fall from that ledge and that the stars will burn forever in the sky. As said above, this is even called back to during Javert's suicide when he is walking on the edge of the bridge. He remarks that the stars are black and cold and then he falls into the river. A different take on the song to be sure, but not an altogether wrong one.

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* A lot of Most people seem to be are very divided on Russel Crowe's Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in "Stars". “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, consider the placing of the song in the film. It's film version, Russel Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has gotten away from Javert just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is calmly not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so to does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the edge of a building as ledge; it is dangerous, and he sings out to the city. Crowe's interpretation of the song isn't meant to be the swearing of a crusade. It's meant to be taken as more of a softer reassurance could fall, but he firmly believes that Javert God will catch Valjean because of his faith keep him from falling in the law and the ways of the world, accordance with this order, just as he has faith that he won't fall from that ledge and that orders the stars will burn forever in the sky. As said above, this This is even called back to during Javert's suicide when referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking on along a ledge and pondering the edge order of the bridge. world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that the “the stars are black and cold cold,” and then is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls into from the river. A different take on the song to be sure, but not an altogether wrong one.ledge and dies.
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* A lot of people seem to be divided on Russel Crowe's performance of Javert, especially in "Stars". However, consider the placing of the song in the film. It's right after Valjean has gotten away from Javert for the second time. Javert is calmly walking on the edge of a building as he sings out to the city. Crowe's interpretation of the song isn't meant to be the swearing of a crusade. It's meant to be taken as more of a softer reassurance that Javert will catch Valjean because of his faith in the law and the ways of the world, just as he has faith that he won't fall from that ledge and that the stars will burn forever in the sky. As said above, this is even called back to during Javert's suicide when he is walking on the edge of the bridge. He remarks that the stars are black and cold and then he falls into the river. A different take on the song to be sure, but not an altogether wrong one.
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Not fridgebrilliance, just some adaptations changing ages.


* In the musical, Éponine isn't that crazy, and is portrayed as being a close friend of Marius', making his obliviousness to her feelings seem a tad thick of him. But some productions make Éponine be played by a teenager, and Marius and Cosette as more grown up, so that Marius doesn't notice her feelings because he sees her as a little sister.
** That'll definitely [[DependingOnTheArtist depend on the actor.]] In the book, Cosette and Éponine are supposed to be the same age (though Éponine may look younger due to malnutrition.)
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** In the musical, Éponine isn't that crazy, and is portrayed as being a close friend of Marius', making his obliviousness to her feelings seem a tad thick of him. But some productions make Éponine be played by a teenager, and Marius and Cosette as more grown up, so that Marius doesn't notice her feelings because he sees her as a little sister.
*** That'll definitely [[DependingOnTheArtist depend on the actor.]] In the book, Cosette and Éponine are supposed to be the same age (though Éponine may look younger due to malnutrition.)
** In the song "Red and Black":
*** "Red- a world about to dawn!" Think of the phrase "Red sky at morning, sailors take warning." Now go back to "One Day More." "One more day before the storm!" and "A Little Fall of Rain." Get it?
*** "Like the flowing of the tide, Paris coming to our side!" [[spoiler:The tide goes in and out...]]
* FridgeHorror: Remember in ''Waltz of Treachery'', when Thenardier said that he "[[ExactWords treated [Cosette] like one of [his] own]]"? Well, technically, [[AbusiveParents he wasn't lying...]]

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In the musical, Éponine isn't that crazy, and is portrayed as being a close friend of Marius', making his obliviousness to her feelings seem a tad thick of him. But some productions make Éponine be played by a teenager, and Marius and Cosette as more grown up, so that Marius doesn't notice her feelings because he sees her as a little sister.
*** ** That'll definitely [[DependingOnTheArtist depend on the actor.]] In the book, Cosette and Éponine are supposed to be the same age (though Éponine may look younger due to malnutrition.)
** * In the song "Red and Black":
*** ** "Red- a world about to dawn!" Think of the phrase "Red sky at morning, sailors take warning." Now go back to "One Day More." "One more day before the storm!" and "A Little Fall of Rain." Get it?
*** ** "Like the flowing of the tide, Paris coming to our side!" [[spoiler:The tide goes in and out...]]
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* FridgeHorror: Remember in ''Waltz of Treachery'', when Thenardier said that he "[[ExactWords treated [Cosette] like one of [his] own]]"? Well, technically, [[AbusiveParents he wasn't lying...]]
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**Also, in "Javert's Suicide", one of the lyrics towards the end, just before he kills himself, is "And the Stars are Black and Cold", showing that he believes himself to be abandoned by God.
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* FridgeHorror: Remember in ''Waltz of Treachery'', when Thenardier said that he "[[ExactWords treated [Cosette] like one of [his] own]]"? Well, technically, [[AbusiveParents he wasn't lying...]]
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*In 'Stars', Javert promises to never let Valjean go, and swears it by the stars. in 'Dog Eat Dog', M. Thenardier 'looks up to see the heavens and only the moon shines down'. A few songs later, Javert gives up on chasing Valjean.
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* I had one for ''Theatre/LesMiserables'' based on one of the performances on Youtube. During Thenardier's VillainSong "Dog Eat Dog", he refers to {{God}} being as dead as the "stiffs at (his) feet". Initially, this just seemed like a usual example of a villain having NietzscheWannabe pretentions, but then it hit me... During this scene, Thenardier is in the Paris sewers, and it seems like the "stiffs" he references are Valjean and Marius, neither of whom are dead. Thus, the musical is sending the message that God is very much alive.-- {{Jordan}}

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* I had one for ''Theatre/LesMiserables'' based on one of the performances on Youtube. During Thenardier's Thénardier's VillainSong "Dog Eat Dog", he refers to {{God}} being as dead as the "stiffs at (his) feet". Initially, this just seemed like a usual example of a villain having NietzscheWannabe pretentions, but then it hit me... During this scene, Thenardier Thénardier is in the Paris sewers, and it seems like the "stiffs" he references are Valjean and Marius, neither of whom are dead. Thus, the musical is sending the message that God is very much alive.-- {{Jordan}}



*** That'll definitely [[DependingOnTheArtist depend on the actor.]] In the book, Cosette and Eponine are supposed to be the same age (though Eponine may look younger due to malnutrition.)

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*** That'll definitely [[DependingOnTheArtist depend on the actor.]] In the book, Cosette and Eponine Éponine are supposed to be the same age (though Eponine Éponine may look younger due to malnutrition.)
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* I had one for ''[[{{Theatre/ptitlenjisnv3p}} Les Misérables]]'' based on one of the performances on Youtube. During Thenardier's VillainSong "Dog Eat Dog", he refers to {{God}} being as dead as the "stiffs at (his) feet". Initially, this just seemed like a usual example of a villain having NietzscheWannabe pretentions, but then it hit me... During this scene, Thenardier is in the Paris sewers, and it seems like the "stiffs" he references are Valjean and Marius, neither of whom are dead. Thus, the musical is sending the message that God is very much alive.-- {{Jordan}}

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* I had one for ''[[{{Theatre/ptitlenjisnv3p}} Les Misérables]]'' ''Theatre/LesMiserables'' based on one of the performances on Youtube. During Thenardier's VillainSong "Dog Eat Dog", he refers to {{God}} being as dead as the "stiffs at (his) feet". Initially, this just seemed like a usual example of a villain having NietzscheWannabe pretentions, but then it hit me... During this scene, Thenardier is in the Paris sewers, and it seems like the "stiffs" he references are Valjean and Marius, neither of whom are dead. Thus, the musical is sending the message that God is very much alive.-- {{Jordan}}
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** In the musical, Éponine isn't that crazy, and is portrayed as being a close friend of Marius', making his obliviousness to her feelings seem a tad thick of him. But some productions make Éponine be played by a teenager, and Marius and Cosette as more grown up, so that Marius doesn't notice her feelings because he sees her as a little sister.
*** That'll definitely [[DependingOnTheArtist depend on the actor.]] In the book, Cosette and Eponine are supposed to be the same age (though Eponine may look younger due to malnutrition.)
** In the song "Red and Black":
*** "Red- a world about to dawn!" Think of the phrase "Red sky at morning, sailors take warning." Now go back to "One Day More." "One more day before the storm!" and "A Little Fall of Rain." Get it?
*** "Like the flowing of the tide, Paris coming to our side!" [[spoiler:The tide goes in and out...]]
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