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12th Feb '17 11:53:50 AM CockroachCharlie
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** Not likely as he sees her earlier during the argument in his factory. He has literally seen her face before.
23rd Sep '16 1:38:57 PM CupcakeOtaku87
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* Most people are very divided on Russel Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so too does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as He orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.

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* Most people are very divided on Russel Crowe’s performance of Javert, citing an overall lack of range, volume, and vocal presence, especially in “Stars.” It is usually seen as a declaration of Javert’s crusade to capture Valjean, using the stars and God as his witness. However, in the film version, Crowe’s Javert is singing this song right after Valjean has just escaped him for the second time. Crowe’s Javert sings the song much more softly, but with just as much emphasis, while walking along a narrow ledge. This is not a Javert that is planning a personal crusade, but a Javert reassuring himself in his faith that, just as the stars have their order in the sky, so too does the world have an order, which is the law. His faith in this order is illustrated by his walking on the ledge; it is dangerous, and he could fall, but he firmly believes that God will keep him from falling in accordance with this order, just as He orders the stars in the sky. This is referenced again in “Javert’s Suicide;” Suicide;” once again, he is walking along a ledge and pondering the order of the world. However, this time, his belief in this order is shaken. He remarks that “the stars are black and cold,” and is no longer certain about his faith in God or the nature of the law. When this faith is challenged, he falls from the ledge and dies.




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* One lyric in "Do You Hear The People Sing" says "''The blood of the martyrs will water the meadows of France.''" This is likely a reference to UsefulNotes/ThomasJefferson's "tree of liberty" quote (see the linked page). Jefferson was an early contributor and strong supporter of the French Revolution, so it makes sense that the Amis would pay homage to him.
11th Mar '16 7:25:44 AM Marwolaeth
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* In the song "Plumit Attack", right after "Heart Full of Love", Thenardier tells Eponine that if she screams to warn Valjean and Cossette that she'll "regret it for a year". Later, after she does it, he shouts "I'll make you scream, you'll scream alright". In at least one of the stage versions, he's physically restraining her as he says this. Just what does he do to her afterwords?

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* In the song "Plumit "Plumet Attack", right after "Heart Full of Love", Thenardier tells Eponine that if she screams to warn Valjean and Cossette Cosette that she'll "regret it for a year". Later, after she does it, he shouts "I'll make you scream, you'll scream alright". In at least one of the stage versions, he's physically restraining her as he says this. Just what does he do to her afterwords?
14th Feb '16 2:25:39 AM Ashfire
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* In the song "Plumit Attack", right after "Heart Full of Love", Thenardier tells Eponine that if she screams to warn Valjean and Cossette that she'll "regret it for a year". Later, after she does it, he shouts "I'll make you scream, you'll scream alright". In at least one of the stage versions, he's physically restraining her as he says this. Just what is he planning to do to her afterwords?

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* In the song "Plumit Attack", right after "Heart Full of Love", Thenardier tells Eponine that if she screams to warn Valjean and Cossette that she'll "regret it for a year". Later, after she does it, he shouts "I'll make you scream, you'll scream alright". In at least one of the stage versions, he's physically restraining her as he says this. Just what is does he planning to do to her afterwords? afterwords?
** Especially since the next time we see her, it's for "On My Own", in which she seems considerably more broken-down and sad, wandering the streets at night daydreaming about Marius, and she's obviously not staying with her family any more.
14th Feb '16 2:23:58 AM Ashfire
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* In the song "Plumit Attack", right after "Heart Full of Love", Thenardier tells Eponine that if she screams to warn Valjean and Cossette that she'll "regret it for a year". Later, after she does it, he shouts "I'll make you scream, you'll scream alright". In at least one of the stage versions, he's physically restraining her as he says this. Just what is he planning to do to her afterwords?
30th May '15 1:31:52 AM HBarnill
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* In the film version of the musical, Valjean starts as a convict with a shaven head, dressed in red tatters. By the time Fantine is arrested and confronts Valjean, her head's been shorn and she's wearing a bright red dress, as an ironic echo of Valjean's own helplessness and powerlessness.

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* In the film version of the musical, Valjean starts as a convict with a shaven head, dressed in red tatters. By the time Fantine is arrested and confronts Valjean, her head's been shorn and she's wearing a bright red dress, as an ironic echo of Valjean's own helplessness helplessness, powerlessness, and powerlessness.[[HumansAreBastards hatred towards humanity.]]
26th May '15 4:22:47 PM Starshock
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*** Another note about celestial symbolism: Stars are a guiding light for navigation, like a lighthouse, so they also represent Javert's moral code- the guiding light of his life. But when the light goes out... You're left in the darkness, with nothing to steer by("There is nowhere I can turn").



*** "... And if you fall, as Lucifer fell, the flames the sword!" Those are methods of execution. When Javert realizes that he is not right in his beliefs, he executes himself. And the ending of "Stars": also foreshadows his death: "Lord, let me find him, that I may see him safe behind bars. I will never rest, 'till then, this I swear, this I swear by the stars!" Well, when Javert realizes that he [[MortonsFork can either arrest Jean Valjean, make a morally reprehensible choice by sentencing a good man to prison and thus damming himself, or let Jean Valjean go, make a morally reprehensible choice by breaking divine law (as he sees it) and thus damming himself, will be doing evil either way,]] [[BreakTheBeliever and that all the beliefs he has held so close to his heart were wrong,]] he is unable to resolve the conflict and is only able to find peace by killing himself, but, given that suicide is a mortal sin, he's ''still'' made the wrong choice, thus damming himself, and as such is never able to find rest, not even in death. [[TearJerker Awww, poor thing.]]

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*** "... And if you fall, as Lucifer fell, the flames the sword!" Those are methods of execution. When Javert realizes that he is not right in his beliefs, he executes himself. And the ending of "Stars": also foreshadows his death: "Lord, let me find him, that I may see him safe behind bars. I will never rest, 'till then, this I swear, this I swear by the stars!" Well, when Javert realizes that he [[MortonsFork can either arrest Jean Valjean, make a morally reprehensible choice by sentencing a good man to prison and thus damming himself, or let Jean Valjean go, make a morally reprehensible choice by breaking divine law (as he sees it) and thus damming himself, will be doing evil either way,]] [[BreakTheBeliever and that all the beliefs he has held so close to his heart were wrong,]] he is unable to resolve the conflict and is only able to find peace by killing himself, but, given that suicide is a mortal sin, he's ''still'' made the wrong choice, thus damming himself, and as such is never able to find rest, ("I will never rest, 'till then, this I swear, this I swear by the stars!"... Remember that line?) not even in death. [[TearJerker Awww, poor thing.]]



** While we're at it, his line about [[MysteryMeat mixing God-knows-what into material that he claims as 'beef']] is hardly better.

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** While we're at it, his line about [[MysteryMeat mixing God-knows-what into material that he claims as 'beef']] is hardly better.better...
10th Apr '15 7:22:32 PM Starshock
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*** "... And if you fall, as Lucifer fell, the flames the sword!" Those are methods of execution. When Javert realizes that he is not right in his beliefs, he executes himself. And the ending of "Stars": also foreshadows his death: "Lord, let me find him, that I may see him safe behind bars. I will never rest, 'till then, this I swear, this I swear by the stars!" Well, when Javert realizes that he [[MortonsFork can either arrest Jean Valjean, make a morally reprehensible choice by sentencing a good man to prison and thus damming himself, or let Jean Valjean go, make a morally reprehensible choice by breaking divine law (as he sees it) and thus damming himself, will be doing evil either way,]] [[BreakTheBeliever and that all the beliefs he has held so close to his heart were wrong,]] he is unable to resolve the conflict and is only able to find peace by killing himself, but, given that suicide is a mortal sin, he's ''still'' made the wrong choice, thus damming himself, and as such is never able to find rest, not even in death. [[TearJerker Awww, poor thing.]]
12th Mar '15 8:30:00 PM damus2300
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* In the musical, Valjean tells Fantine he's seen her face before. Its possible she reminds him of the sister her lost.
13th Dec '14 12:05:30 PM SWFMax
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* While it doesn't really play a role in the musical itself, a ''[[SarcasmMode truly lovely]]'' line sung by Thénardier about using [[KickTheDog body parts from horses and even poor dead housecats]] as filler for sausages will sometimes stick in one's mind, especially for those that are cat lovers, those eating while watching, or both.

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* While it doesn't really play a role in the musical itself, a ''[[SarcasmMode truly lovely]]'' line sung by Thénardier about using [[KickTheDog body parts from horses and even poor dead housecats]] as filler for sausages will sometimes stick in one's mind, especially for those that are cat lovers, those eating while watching, or both. Especially in [[Film/LesMiserables2012 the 2012 film]], when the cat he uses is ''right there'' when he's singing.
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