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* Early in the second game, when Atton and the Exile talk about Revan, Atton assumes that Revan was female and the player has the option of having the Exile correct him. Atton [[spoiler:served under Revan and should know perfectly well whether Revan was male or female - but he also has every reason to obfuscate that fact by either intentionally getting the details wrong (if Revan was male) or just making flippant comments about Revan's sex (if Revan actually was female).]]

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** One could assume that maybe she had been using the force as a perception filter. Meanwhile, the people on Korriban are Force-sensitive, so they'd probably be immune to such things.



* Atton actually gives you a subtle bit of Foreshadowing early on in Peragus. When you run up with Kreia, he somehow manages to identify Kreia as a Jedi. Yeah, understandable how he assumes the exile is the jedi...anyone with a brain could have figured out the Jedi Exile was indeed the jedi people were talking about in the base. However, when the Exile and Kreia walks up, he immediately [[spoiler:Mis]]identifies her as a Jedi, too. How would he know that? [[spoiler:Cause he used to hunt Jedi and was force sensitive, of course - makes sense he'd be able to recognize them.]]

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* Atton actually gives you a subtle bit of Foreshadowing early on in Peragus. When you run up with Kreia, he somehow manages to identify Kreia as a Jedi. Yeah, understandable how he assumes the exile is the jedi...anyone with a brain could have figured out the Jedi Exile was indeed the jedi people were talking about in the base.base, especially after the conversation he had. However, when the Exile and Kreia walks up, he immediately [[spoiler:Mis]]identifies her as a Jedi, too. How would he know that? [[spoiler:Cause he used to hunt Jedi and was force sensitive, of course - makes sense he'd be able to recognize them.]]
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*This may belong more in irony, but I am playing through the game again knowing exactly what's going to happen, mainly in terms of the big reveal. I was talking to Juhani, and when she is yelling at you for indirectly causing her home world, Taris, to be destroyed, she tells you that "...It's so hard to lose your entire past. You wouldn't understand." You are given the option to agree with her and say that no, you would not understand. Which seems perfectly reasonable, until later in the game you discover that you HAVE lost your entire past, when the Jedi mind wiped you.
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* In the second game, there's a docking-bay owner who you have to either pay off or persuade to let you leave the Ebon Hawk there for free. You can try to use Force Persuasion on him, but it will almost always fail. Why? Said docking-bay owner is a ''toydarian'' (the same species as Watto from Episode 1), which are known to be ''immune to mind tricks''.
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* How did Calo Nord, a badass but still a rather short man, survive the crashing of a good few hundred pounds of steel onto his back? Well, when you loot his armor, you find it's second only to Cassus Fett's battle armor!
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* As a male character in KOTOR 1, you can be invited to a Sith party- only for them to get super drunk enough to pass out, leaving their Sith armor for the taking. Now, this is just a side quest, but BioWare still placed a foreshadowing even for this! Just talk to some of the citizens in the Upper City cantina and one of them will say something about Tarisian ale being an extremely alcoholic drink...

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* As a male character in In KOTOR 1, you can be invited to a Sith party- party (talking to Sarna as a male or Yun as female) - only for them to get super drunk enough to pass out, leaving their Sith armor for the taking. Now, this is just a side quest, but BioWare still placed a foreshadowing even for this! Just talk to some of the citizens in the Upper City cantina and one of them will say something about Tarisian ale being an extremely alcoholic drink...
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*** I didn't post the original comment, but it's probably [[http://lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/Update%206/ this]].
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** A link to that LP would be great. I'd love to see that moment.
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* There could be a whole 'nother page just for Kreia. While watching a Let's Play, the LPer casually pointed out that in the first proper conversation you have with her on the Ebon Hawk, she lies to you twice. This Troper ''never noticed'', and in fact, ''couldn't find them until the LPer elaborated''.
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* One of my favorite part of KOTOR was the the use of Charisma skill that can be uber helpful especially if you want to persuade other characters and NPCs on your ideas or stances on certain morales. Now, my favorite class is the Soldier (yes, very generic I know) and at first I was kind of confused why the Scoundrel class gets plus points on the charisma ability, but then I realized: of course they would! After all, Scoundrels are GenreSavvy and cunning individuals who are quick-witted and perceptively street smart. Being charismatic is practically their second nature!

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* One of my favorite part of KOTOR was the the use of Charisma skill that can be uber helpful especially if you want to persuade other characters and NPCs [=NPCs=] on your ideas or stances on certain morales. Now, my favorite class is the Soldier (yes, very generic I know) and at first I was kind of confused why the Scoundrel class gets plus points on the charisma ability, but then I realized: of course they would! After all, Scoundrels are GenreSavvy and cunning individuals who are quick-witted and perceptively street smart. Being charismatic is practically their second nature!
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* One of my favorite part of KOTOR was the the use of Charisma skill that can be uber helpful especially if you want to persuade other characters and NPCs on your ideas or stances on certain morales. Now, my favorite class is the Soldier (yes, very generic I know) and at first I was kind of confused why the Scoundrel class gets plus points on the charisma ability, but then I realized: of course they would! After all, Scoundrels are GenreSavvy and cunning individuals who are quick-witted and perceptively street smart. Being charismatic is practically their second nature!
** Definitely ties in with how Han Solo- also a Scoundrel- is just so damn lovable.
*** And also Mission Vao. I mean come on!
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* Atton actually gives you a subtle bit of Foreshadowing early on in Peragus. When you run up with Kreia, he somehow manages to identify Kreia as a Jedi. Yeah, understandable how he assumes the exile is the jedi...anyone with a brain could have figured out the Jedi Exile was indeed the jedi people were talking about in the base. However, when the Exile and Kreia walks up, he immediately [[spoiler:Mis]]identifies her as a Jedi, too. How would he know that? [[spoiler:Cause he used to hunt Jedi and was force sensitive, of course - makes sense he'd be able to recognize them.]]
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* Multiple NPCs comment on the Exile's talent with creating Force Bonds, connecting with people through the Force. This implies empathic abilities. Place an empath next to a traumatic event, say the destruction of Malachor V, and they will be damaged. - RomanticPessimist

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* Multiple NPCs [=NPCs=] comment on the Exile's talent with creating Force Bonds, connecting with people through the Force. This implies empathic abilities. Place an empath next to a traumatic event, say the destruction of Malachor V, and they will be damaged. - RomanticPessimist
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* Multiple NPCs comment on the Exile's talent with creating Force Bonds, connecting with people through the Force. This implies empathic abilities. Place an empath next to a traumatic event, say the destruction of Malachor V, and they will be damaged.

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* Multiple NPCs comment on the Exile's talent with creating Force Bonds, connecting with people through the Force. This implies empathic abilities. Place an empath next to a traumatic event, say the destruction of Malachor V, and they will be damaged. - RomanticPessimist
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*Multiple NPCs comment on the Exile's talent with creating Force Bonds, connecting with people through the Force. This implies empathic abilities. Place an empath next to a traumatic event, say the destruction of Malachor V, and they will be damaged.
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**Not quite. HK-50s may not have been in production at the time, and the factory could have been built after the destruction of Taris. After all, no ones going to find (or expect to find) a droid factory in the giant smoking pile of rubble that remained of Taris.
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* FridgeHorror: Remember how the group of people at the lowest level of Taris went off to find the Promised Land in KOTOR? Well, assuming that they survived the destruction of Taris, a very disconcerting thing was found in the unused voice clips of KOTOR II. Read on if you dare. [[spoiler: The HK-50's are talking about the Droid Factory, and how there is more than one factory. One of them comments on how there was one located on Taris. If the Promised Land was, in actuality, a Droid Factory that contained very hostile droids, then that means the group of people are....]] That is FridgeHorror.
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* Why did [[spoiler:Kreia]] spend all of KotOR II trying to [[spoiler:"kill" the Force]] anyways? It's obvious once you put the pieces together. It's not just some personal vendetta against the Jedi[[spoiler: and the Sith, but rather an act of intended benevolence. Exhibit A: the point early on when Atton suggests that the Jedi's reliance on the Force makes them weaker in the long run compared to those who have to survive without it. Exhibit B: The Yuuzhan Vong have been "cut off" from the Force. Exhibit C: As mentioned above, Kreia evidently knew enough of the Yuuzhan Vong to know that they were coming, and quite possibly knew a number of details about them. It's therefore probable that Kreia was trying to even the playing field more or less, especially if her visions told her that the actual Yuuzhan Vong invasion wouldn't occur for millennia, plenty of time for the galaxy to adapt to more Mandalorian means of fighting off the extra-galactic invaders.]] Which would mean that in a very twisted sense, the "Big Bad" is really an extremely misunderstood([[spoiler:which is all her fault]]), and possibly also misguided, anti-villain.

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* Why did [[spoiler:Kreia]] spend all of KotOR KnightsOfTheOldRepublic II trying to [[spoiler:"kill" the Force]] anyways? It's obvious once you put the pieces together. It's not just some personal vendetta against the Jedi[[spoiler: and the Sith, but rather an act of intended benevolence. Exhibit A: the point early on when Atton suggests that the Jedi's reliance on the Force makes them weaker in the long run compared to those who have to survive without it. Exhibit B: The Yuuzhan Vong have been "cut off" from the Force. Exhibit C: As mentioned above, Kreia evidently knew enough of the Yuuzhan Vong to know that they were coming, and quite possibly knew a number of details about them. It's therefore probable that Kreia was trying to even the playing field more or less, especially if her visions told her that the actual Yuuzhan Vong invasion wouldn't occur for millennia, plenty of time for the galaxy to adapt to more Mandalorian means of fighting off the extra-galactic invaders.]] Which would mean that in a very twisted sense, the "Big Bad" is really an extremely misunderstood([[spoiler:which is all her fault]]), and possibly also misguided, anti-villain.
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*** Even so, later in the game you can give up 500 credits to a swoop racer for parts, not to mention the numerous other giveaways. Giving within your own party would be a bit weird, but something easily handwaved.
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** Well, your party isn't exactly playing by Jedi Order rules of property ownership, in about the same way that a rhinoceros isn't exactly a cuddly lap animal.
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* In the Light Side path for dealing with Bastila's mother, Bastila gives up 500 credits so her mother can get to Coruscant and pay for medical treatments. It's literally everything Bastila has to her name. It's very sweet... until FridgeLogic sets in and you remember that your character, or at the very least your party, can at this point have tens of thousands of credits. Granted, the money Bastila gives is hers and hers alone (it isn't deducted from your total), but you'd think a Light Side Jedi would at least have the option to cover the expense.
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* As a male character in KOTOR 1, you can be invited to a Sith party- only for them to get super drunk enough to pass out, leaving their Sith armor for the taking. Now, this is just a side quest, but BioWare still placed a foreshadowing even for this! Just talk to some of the citizens in the Upper City cantina and one of them will say something about Tarisian ale being an extremely alcoholic drink...
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--> ''Crazy Old Kook'': Listen to me, people! There is a terrible scourge sweeping the planet! Heed my warning, before it's too late!

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--> ''Crazy Old Kook'': The evil walks among us! The enemy is here!

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* On Taris, you get to meet a crazy old kook out on the streets preaching about his [[FantasticRacism hatred for aliens]]. After repeated playthroughs, ThisTroper thought that this was just a waste for pixels and all, but what he says ''actually makes sense out of context''! Two things he says stands out:
--> Crazy Old Kook: Listen to me, people! There is a terrible scourge sweeping the planet! Heed my warning, before it's too late!
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* On Taris, you get to meet a crazy old kook out on the streets preaching about his [[FantasticRacism hatred for aliens]]. After repeated playthroughs, ThisTroper thought that this was just a waste for pixels and all, but what he says ''actually makes sense out of context''! context!'' Two things he says particularly stands out:
--> Crazy ''Crazy Old Kook: Kook'': Listen to me, people! There is a terrible scourge sweeping the planet! Heed my warning, before it's too late!
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*** Well, [[EarthShatteringKaboom Taris gets blown to bits]]...
--> Crazy ''Crazy Old Kook: Kook'': The evil walks among us! The enemy is here!
--->*** He's actually talking about [[spoiler: you, Revan]].
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* On Taris, you get to meet a crazy old kook out on the streets preaching about his [[FantasticRacism hatred for aliens]]. After repeated playthroughs, ThisTroper thought that this was just a waste for pixels and all, but what he says ''actually makes sense out of context''! Two things he says stands out:
--> Crazy Old Kook: Listen to me, people! There is a terrible scourge sweeping the planet! Heed my warning, before it's too late!
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--> Crazy Old Kook: The evil walks among us! The enemy is here!
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* Early in the game, Bastila asks you a series of basic questions about your past. You can point out that the answers to her questions are surely in your Republic service file, and she says she wanted to see how you answered. But what she's really checking for is [[spoiler:whether your basic memories are still those of your programmed personality, even though some of Revan's memories, and his Force senstitivity, have begun to reemerge]]. Likewise, when Dorak is helping you choose a Jedi class, the reason he's unsurprised by your answers is because [[spoiler:you're answering just like your programmed personality should – or possibly like Revan would have]].
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* If you go to Korriban before [[spoiler: she gets captured]], everybody decides that Bastila should stay on the Ebon Hawk since all the Sith are looking for her and she'd be easily recognized. Makes sense. But wait. Back on Taris, wasn't she running around in public all over a planet crawling with Sith troopers? Why did she not stay in hiding then, or create some sort of disguise? If anything, you'd think that the Sith troopers on Taris would be ''more'' likely to recognize her than the teachers and students at the Sith Academy. The ones on Taris had fought her before her ship crashed and had been given her description and orders to track her down and bring her in. The people at the Academy, on the other hand, were pretty far away from the front lines and would probably be less familiar with her.
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* Why can Kreia teach both the Jedi and Sith prestige classes to the player? It's not GameplayAndStorySegregation, it's because she was once a Jedi ''and'' a Sith.
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*You know that scene on Nar Shaddaa with the homeless guy, how nothing you do to him matters because the Force will screw him over anyway? How anything you try to do will be twisted by a Force that cannot be trusted and yet insists on robbing you of free will? Maybe you understand [[spoiler: Kreia]]'s point of view a little better now.
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* Carth, your first "real" party member, frequently states that he doesn't trust you, finds your placement on the Endar Spire suspicious, finds what the Jedi are doing suspicious, and frequently gets angry about what he perceives as getting the runaround. He comes off as a total jerk and whiner...until TheReveal comes out. Turns out he was ''dead right'' about ALL his suspicions, just not in the way he expected! The comics and the second game add a few more layers. He encountered a Jedi coverup before, as he helped Zane Carrick escape from the Covenant. In the second game, Disciple is reporting directly to Carth. Given Carth's trust issues, Mical's reservations (even Exile, his childhood hero, has to be careful when prying info out of him), and how important the Ebon Hawk is...there's likely some strong history between Mical and Carth, meaning Carth may also know about the Jedi than he let on.

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* Carth, your first "real" party member, frequently states that he doesn't trust you, finds your placement on the Endar Spire ''Endar Spire'' suspicious, finds what the Jedi are doing suspicious, and frequently gets angry about what he perceives as getting the runaround. He comes off as a total jerk and whiner...until TheReveal comes out. Turns out he was ''dead right'' about ALL his suspicions, just not in the way he expected! The comics and the second game add a few more layers. He encountered a Jedi coverup before, as he helped Zane Zanye Carrick escape from the Covenant. In the second game, Disciple is reporting directly to Carth. Given Carth's trust issues, Mical's reservations (even Exile, his childhood hero, has to be careful when prying info out of him), and how important the Ebon Hawk ''Ebon Hawk'' is...there's likely some strong history between Mical and Carth, meaning Carth may also know about the Jedi than he let on.



** More a case of clever story telling, but this only just occured to me so I'm putting it here. At the very beginning of the first game your soldier is apparently unfamiliar with the details of a war they have supposedly been fighting, and is unable to perform basic tasks which should be second nature. Just the game teaching you how to work it right? Wrong. [[spoiler:Your memories have been tampered with, and so any inability on your part to perform simple tasks or remember very important details, it's all because your memory has been blanked.]] This also neatly sidesteps StoryAndGameplaySegregation.
** In a brillant case of foreshadowing: For the original KnightsOfTheOldRepublic and its sequel, there are four discs required for installation. The original's fourth disc has on it a quite obviously evil Darth Malak, who is also featured on the cover. The sequel's however has an elderly woman in Jedi robes. Then comes TheReveal, and you realise that they highlighted the BigBad before you even finished installing.

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** More a case of clever story telling, but this only just occured occurred to me so I'm putting it here. At the very beginning of the first game your soldier is apparently unfamiliar with the details of a war they have supposedly been fighting, and is unable to perform basic tasks which should be second nature. Just the game teaching you how to work it right? Wrong. [[spoiler:Your memories have been tampered with, and so any inability on your part to perform simple tasks or remember very important details, it's all because your memory has been blanked.]] This also neatly sidesteps StoryAndGameplaySegregation.
** In a brillant brilliant case of foreshadowing: For the original KnightsOfTheOldRepublic and its sequel, there are four discs required for installation. The original's fourth disc has on it a quite obviously evil Darth Malak, who is also featured on the cover. The sequel's however has an elderly woman in Jedi robes. Then comes TheReveal, and you realise realize that they highlighted the BigBad before you even finished installing.




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** {{Jossed}}. She was talking about the "True Sith" who show up in the upcoming MMO

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