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* When you remember that Voldemort had placed a jinx in which anyone who teaches the Defense Against the Dark Arts would have circumstances lead to them resigning the position in some way, shape, or form, it comes as no surprise that Harry's private DADA courses would be put to a halt the year he began it.
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What a horrific thing to say


** On the other hand, Umbridge... isn't exactly the prettiest women. Who would ''want'' to rape her?
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** On the other hand, Umbridge... isn't exactly the prettiest women. Who would ''want'' to rape her?
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The horrific implication that a character deserves to be raped


* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists. Granted, [[KarmicRape Umbridge thoroughly deserves it]], but it's still unsettling.

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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists. Granted, [[KarmicRape Umbridge thoroughly deserves it]], but it's still unsettling.
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* The way that Harry shakes off Voldemort's possession? Not only thoughts of his loved ones [[EvilCannotComprehendGood (Voldemort cannot understand love, of course)]], but, in a sad way, his wish at that particular moment to reunite with his lost loved ones in[=/=]after death. The other thing we find out about Voldemort in the following two books is that he ascribes to TheNothingAfterDeath and fears it above all else. While Harry doesn't (and at times in the latter half of the series edges disturbingly close to DeathSeeker, at least in his head).
* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures (his main mistake is thinking that ''[[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat everyone else]]'' can handle them) and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on his side rather than Voldemort's.

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* The way that Harry shakes off Voldemort's possession? Not only thoughts of his loved ones [[EvilCannotComprehendGood (Voldemort cannot understand love, of course)]], but, in a sad way, his wish at that particular moment to reunite with his lost loved ones in[=/=]after death. The other thing we find out about Voldemort in the following two books is that he ascribes to TheNothingAfterDeath and [[MortalityPhobia fears it above all else. While else]], while Harry doesn't (and at times in the latter half of the series edges disturbingly close to DeathSeeker, at least in his head).
* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures (his main mistake is [[NaiveAnimalLover thinking that that]] ''[[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat everyone else]]'' can handle them) and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on his side rather than Voldemort's.



* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists.
* In ''Order of the Phoenix'', Dolores Umbridge is not shown to be a particularly talented witch, being utterly unable to combat Fred and George's wild array of spells, but she has complete confidence in her ability to cast the Cruciatus Curse (described as a very hard curse to bring off) on Harry. The most likely explanation? She's had plenty of practice using it before.

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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists.
rapists. Granted, [[KarmicRape Umbridge thoroughly deserves it]], but it's still unsettling.
* In ''Order of the Phoenix'', Dolores Umbridge is not shown to be a particularly talented witch, being utterly unable to combat Fred and George's wild array of spells, but she has complete confidence in her ability to cast the Cruciatus Curse (described as a very hard curse to bring off) on Harry. The most likely explanation? explanation (aside from SmallNameBigEgo)? She's had plenty of practice using it before.
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* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures (his main mistake is thinking that ''[[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat everyone else]]'' can handle them) and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' side rather than Voldemort's.

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* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures (his main mistake is thinking that ''[[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat everyone else]]'' can handle them) and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' his side rather than Voldemort's.
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* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures (his main mistake is thinking that ''everyone else'' can handle them) and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' side rather than Voldemort's.

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* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures (his main mistake is thinking that ''everyone else'' ''[[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat everyone else]]'' can handle them) and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' side rather than Voldemort's.
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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists…

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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists…rapists.
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* ''Order of the Phoenix'' came out three years after ''Goblet of Fire'' which was the longest gap between any of the two books. In the first few chapters of ''Order of the Phoenix'', Harry spends a lot of time angsting about being kept in the dark and not knowing what's going on in the wizarding world.
* Regulus Black's name hints at his [[spoiler: redeeming]] actions [[spoiler: directly before his death. Regulus is a star in the constellation Leo, the lion.]] Specifically, [[spoiler: it's a red star that represents the lion's heart.]]

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* ''Order of the Phoenix'' came out three years after ''Goblet of Fire'' Fire'', which was the longest gap between any of the two books. In the first few chapters of ''Order of the Phoenix'', Harry spends a lot of time angsting about being kept in the dark and not knowing what's going on in the wizarding world.
* Regulus Black's name hints at his [[spoiler: redeeming]] [[spoiler:redeeming]] actions [[spoiler: directly [[spoiler:directly before his death. Regulus is a star in the constellation Leo, the lion.]] lion]]. Specifically, [[spoiler: it's [[spoiler:it's a red star that represents the lion's heart.]]heart]].



* This is the book which has Petunia showing some HypocriticalHumor . This is also the book with the two most significant bits about her connection with the magical world (Dumbledore's letter and her referencing "that horrible boy"). After finding out, in the last book, that [[spoiler: her contempt for the magical world came from her wanting to go to Hogwarts and not being able to]], it was hardly a coincidence.

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* This is the book which has Petunia showing some HypocriticalHumor .HypocriticalHumor. This is also the book with the two most significant bits about her connection with the magical world (Dumbledore's letter and her referencing "that horrible boy"). After finding out, in the last book, that [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her contempt for the magical world came from her wanting to go to Hogwarts and not being able to]], it was hardly a coincidence.



* It may seem odd that Umbridge is so indulgent to the Slytherins right from the start as compared to every one else. But then you realise that her entire life is based around petty ambition. Ambition is the defining trait of Slytherin House; she would have been a Slytherin in school. Not to mention that while this book doesn't tell us that she shares the "pure wizarding blood" obsession characteristic of most pure-blood Slytherins, her contempt for part-humans is a rather nasty likeness.
* After [[spoiler: Harry's actions accidentally lead to Sirius's death]], Dumbledore tells Harry that he knows how Harry feels. In Deathly Hallows, we find out that [[spoiler: Dumbledore also accidentally got someone he loved killed]].
* Voldemort possessing Harry so easily despite Harry clearly not being evil? Remember, the Riddle diary took ''weeks'' to do the same thing with an eleven-year-old Ginny three years prior. [[spoiler: But in this case he's not ''possessing'' Harry as much as he is reuniting one fragment of his soul with another.]]
* The way that Harry shakes off Voldemort's possession? Not only thoughts of his loved ones [[EvilCannotComprehendGood (Voldemort cannot understand love, of course)]] but, in a sad way, his wish at that particular moment to reunite with his lost loved ones in[=/=]after death. The other thing we find out about Voldemort in the following two books is that he ascribes to TheNothingAfterDeath and fears it above all else. While Harry doesn't (and at times in the latter half of the series edges disturbingly close to DeathSeeker, at least in his head).
* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' side rather than Voldemort's.

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* It may seem odd that Umbridge is so indulgent to the Slytherins right from the start as compared to every one everyone else. But then you realise that her entire life is based around petty ambition. Ambition is the defining trait of Slytherin House; she would have been a Slytherin in school. Not to mention that while this book doesn't tell us that she shares the "pure wizarding blood" obsession characteristic of most pure-blood Slytherins, her contempt for part-humans is a rather nasty likeness.
* After [[spoiler: Harry's [[spoiler:Harry's actions accidentally lead to Sirius's death]], Dumbledore tells Harry that he knows how Harry feels. In Deathly Hallows, ''Deathly Hallows'', we find out that [[spoiler: Dumbledore [[spoiler:Dumbledore also accidentally got someone he loved killed]].
* Voldemort possessing Harry so easily despite Harry clearly not being evil? Remember, the Riddle diary took ''weeks'' to do the same thing with an eleven-year-old Ginny three years prior. [[spoiler: But [[spoiler:But in this case case, he's not ''possessing'' Harry as much as he is reuniting one fragment of his soul with another.]]
* The way that Harry shakes off Voldemort's possession? Not only thoughts of his loved ones [[EvilCannotComprehendGood (Voldemort cannot understand love, of course)]] course)]], but, in a sad way, his wish at that particular moment to reunite with his lost loved ones in[=/=]after death. The other thing we find out about Voldemort in the following two books is that he ascribes to TheNothingAfterDeath and fears it above all else. While Harry doesn't (and at times in the latter half of the series edges disturbingly close to DeathSeeker, at least in his head).
* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures (his main mistake is thinking that ''everyone else'' can handle them) and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a lot of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' side rather than Voldemort's.



* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs.
* In Order of the Phoenix, Dolores Umbridge is not shown to be a particularly talented witch, being utterly unable to combat Fred and George's wild array of spells, but she has complete confidence in her ability to cast the Cruciatus Curse (described as a very hard curse to bring off) on Harry. The most likely explanation? She's had plenty of practice using it before.

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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance at the hands of the centaurs.
centaurs. In their original mythology, centaurs were notorious rapists…
* In Order ''Order of the Phoenix, Phoenix'', Dolores Umbridge is not shown to be a particularly talented witch, being utterly unable to combat Fred and George's wild array of spells, but she has complete confidence in her ability to cast the Cruciatus Curse (described as a very hard curse to bring off) on Harry. The most likely explanation? She's had plenty of practice using it before.



* The more you learn about Sirius Black's life, the more horrifying it gets. He grew up with an emotionally abusive family of pureblood supremacists that treated him like a disgrace. At the age of 16, he ran away from home to live with James Potter. A year or two later, he graduated from Hogwarts and joined the Order of the Phoenix at the height of Voldemort's power. Then one of his friends betrayed Sirius' best friends/surrogate family to Voldemort, framed him for it, and got him sent to a prison where he spend the next twelve years reliving his worst memories. Of which there were probably quite a few by this time. He broke out, managed to prove his innocence to his remaining living friend and godson, then was forced to go on the run again. Finally, he spent the last year of his life shut up in the very house he ran away from as a teenager, unable to take part in the fight against Voldemort because the rest of the world still thought he was a Death Eater who had betrayed his best friend to Voldemort, alone except for Buckbeak and his memories of Azkaban.

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* The more you learn about Sirius Black's life, the more horrifying it gets. He grew up with an emotionally abusive family of pureblood supremacists that treated him like a disgrace. At the age of 16, he ran away from home to live with James Potter. A year or two later, he graduated from Hogwarts and joined the Order of the Phoenix at the height of Voldemort's power. Then one of his friends betrayed Sirius' best friends/surrogate family to Voldemort, framed him for it, and got him sent to a prison where he spend spent the next twelve years reliving his worst memories. Of memories — of which there were probably quite a few by this time. He broke out, managed to prove his innocence to his remaining living friend and godson, then was forced to go on the run again. Finally, he spent the last year of his life shut up in the very house he ran away from as a teenager, unable to take part in the fight against Voldemort because the rest of the world still thought he was a Death Eater who had betrayed his best friend to Voldemort, alone except for Buckbeak and his memories of Azkaban.
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* Harry's behaviour in this book is basically the result of his having PTSD from the previous book.

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* Harry's behaviour in this book is basically the result of his having PTSD from the previous book.
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* Harry's behaviour in this book cold be explained away by his having PTSD from the previous book.

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* Harry's behaviour in this book cold be explained away by is basically the result of his having PTSD from the previous book.
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* Harry probably has PTSD after what happened with Cedric. Yet, he keeps insisting he's ok and nobody does anything. Is there no mental health treatment in the wizarding world?
** St Mungo's might have something, but there's no way he or any of his friends would trust the establishment.
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* Harry probably has PTSD after what happened with Cedric. Yet, he keeps insisting he's ok and nobody does anything. Is there no mental health treatment in the wizarding world?
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* Snape dropping the fact that Umbridge gave Cho Veritaserum. Maybe a hint at his eventual quasi-redemption (making sure Cho's friends know that she didn't rat them out intentionally), or maybe a holdover from his own days as a double agent desperate for someone to know that he was under someone else's control?
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* Snape dropping the fact that Umbridge gave Cho Veritaserum. Maybe a hint at his eventual quasi-redemption (making sure Cho's friends know that she didn't rat them out intentionally), or maybe a holdover from his own days as a double agent desperate for someone to know that he was under someone else's control?
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* In the first book, Harry notes more than once that he sometimes gets the feeling that Snape can read minds. In this book, we find out that Snape is capable of Legeremancy.

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* In the first book, Harry notes more than once that he sometimes gets the feeling that Snape can read minds. In this book, we find out that Snape is capable of Legeremancy.Legilimency.
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Oclumancy is pretty much the opposite of reading minds.


* This is the book which has Petunia showing some HypocriticalHumor . This is also the book with the two most significant bits about her connection with the magical world (Dumledore's letter and her referencing "that horrible boy"). After finding out, in the last book, that [[spoiler: her contempt for the magical world came from her wanting to go to Hogwarts and not being able to]], it was hardly a coincidence.
* In the first book, Harry notes more than once that he sometimes gets the feeling that Snape can read minds. In this book, we find out that Snape is capable of Occlumency.

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* This is the book which has Petunia showing some HypocriticalHumor . This is also the book with the two most significant bits about her connection with the magical world (Dumledore's (Dumbledore's letter and her referencing "that horrible boy"). After finding out, in the last book, that [[spoiler: her contempt for the magical world came from her wanting to go to Hogwarts and not being able to]], it was hardly a coincidence.
* In the first book, Harry notes more than once that he sometimes gets the feeling that Snape can read minds. In this book, we find out that Snape is capable of Occlumency.Legeremancy.
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Keep the speculation and chat off the page


* The listing of floors at St. Mungo's suggests that the hospital is equipped to deal with every possible kind of magical malady, but not to deal with common mundane ailments such as heart disease, diabetes, or cancer. Going by Ron's reaction to the word, wizards don't have any faith in Muggle doctors' capabilities and none of them know any mundane biology beyond what a ten-year-old Muggle would've been taught, so if a wizard or witch comes down with a ''non''-magical illness, they're going to be stuck with whatever crude home remedy their medically-ignorant families can whip up. Mrs. Crouch's terminal illness might well have been averted if she'd ever thought to go to a Muggle hospital.
** Not necessarily. Pepper-Up Potion is mentioned as curing the common cold (something human doctors haven't done) and Ron decries doctors as "Muggle nutters who cut people up". Presumably, they have magical ways of dealing with things such as cancer and the like - potions and spells in place of chemotherapy and surgery. One would also think that studying how magic affects the body in terms of illness and injury would require a great deal of knowledge about anatomy and physiology. Muggles and wizards are both human, after all.
** Not true -- Pottermore, and J.K's writing on it -- confirm that Wizards can easily cure any Muggle illnesses they get (which is why they don't have any Muggle illness floors at St. Mungo's), implying that Mrs Crouch died of something incurable, like Dragon Pox.
*** Or a much sadder option is in play; it's shown in several instances that emotional upheaval can have serious effects on a wizard's powers and even their vitality. [[TearJerker Perhaps Mrs. Crouch died of a broken heart.]]
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This fridge horror should either be removed outright or kept up with its refutation. Also, no proper reason (or any at all) was given for its removal that I saw...

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** Not necessarily. Pepper-Up Potion is mentioned as curing the common cold (something human doctors haven't done) and Ron decries doctors as "Muggle nutters who cut people up". Presumably, they have magical ways of dealing with things such as cancer and the like - potions and spells in place of chemotherapy and surgery. One would also think that studying how magic affects the body in terms of illness and injury would require a great deal of knowledge about anatomy and physiology. Muggles and wizards are both human, after all.
** Not true -- Pottermore, and J.K's writing on it -- confirm that Wizards can easily cure any Muggle illnesses they get (which is why they don't have any Muggle illness floors at St. Mungo's), implying that Mrs Crouch died of something incurable, like Dragon Pox.
*** Or a much sadder option is in play; it's shown in several instances that emotional upheaval can have serious effects on a wizard's powers and even their vitality. [[TearJerker Perhaps Mrs. Crouch died of a broken heart.]]
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* In the first book, Harry notes more than once that he sometimes gets the feeling that Snape can read minds. In this book, we find out that Harry is actually completely right about this when Snape is teaching him Occlumency.

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* In the first book, Harry notes more than once that he sometimes gets the feeling that Snape can read minds. In this book, we find out that Harry is actually completely right about this when Snape is teaching him capable of Occlumency.
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* The more you learn about Sirius Black's life, the more horrifying it gets. He grew up with an awful, racist, emotionally abusive family that treated him like a disgrace. At the age of 16, he ran away from home to live with James Potter. A year or two later, he graduated from Hogwarts and joined the Order of the Phoenix at the height of Voldemort's power. Then one of his friends betrayed Sirius' best friends/surrogate family to Voldemort, framed him for it, and got him sent to a prison where he spend the next twelve years reliving his worst memories. Of which there were probably quite a few by this time. He broke out, managed to prove his innocence to his remaining living friend and godson, then was forced to go on the run again. Finally, he spent the last year of his life shut up in the very house he ran away from as a teenager, unable to take part in the fight against Voldemort because the rest of the world still thought he was a Death Eater who had betrayed his best friend to Voldemort, alone except for Buckbeak and his memories of Azkaban.

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* The more you learn about Sirius Black's life, the more horrifying it gets. He grew up with an awful, racist, emotionally abusive family of pureblood supremacists that treated him like a disgrace. At the age of 16, he ran away from home to live with James Potter. A year or two later, he graduated from Hogwarts and joined the Order of the Phoenix at the height of Voldemort's power. Then one of his friends betrayed Sirius' best friends/surrogate family to Voldemort, framed him for it, and got him sent to a prison where he spend the next twelve years reliving his worst memories. Of which there were probably quite a few by this time. He broke out, managed to prove his innocence to his remaining living friend and godson, then was forced to go on the run again. Finally, he spent the last year of his life shut up in the very house he ran away from as a teenager, unable to take part in the fight against Voldemort because the rest of the world still thought he was a Death Eater who had betrayed his best friend to Voldemort, alone except for Buckbeak and his memories of Azkaban.

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* How the entire school basically rallied against Umbridge... by rallying against Umbridge, they were rallying against the Ministry. If Umbridge hadn't been the DADA teacher, there would have been no reason for Dumbledore's Army to form. Dumbledore's Army was kind of its own family, and Umbridge helped form an allegiance between the entire student body and the teachers, as well as the ghosts. Without the family of DA or the entire schoolwide allegiance already established, nobody besides a few teachers would have been so willing to take up arms against Voldemort, both at the Battle of the Astronomy Tower, or the Second Wizarding War. Harry's support system would have been severely diminished, especially at the end of the seventh book. Harry would probably have not so eagerly led a group in rebellion, if it hadn't been for Dumbledore's Army. Basically, the whole reason anything in the sixth or seventh book worked at all, not to mention with as relatively few casualties as there were, was because of Umbridge, and her Ripple Effect over the entire school in the fifth book.
* Where does "Dumbledore's Army" have their first meeting? At Hog's Head, [[spoiler: owned by Aberforth Dumbledore, truly making it a Dumbledore army]]!
* Making the character Tonks so clumsy. Being a Metamorphmagus, her center of gravity must be constantly changing as she changes shapes, thus leaving her continuously unable to find her balance.
* Cho and Harry's relationship leads to ShipSinking in this story. It ultimately comes down to how they treat their friends.
** Harry ALWAYS gives his friends the chance to back out of a dangerous situation; we see this from Book One, where he wants to go on his own to face Voldemort and stop him from stealing the Stone, and Hermione and Ron insist on going with him. When he even starts teaching DA, he's not willing to accept that Hermione and Ron have faith in his teaching abilities and his leadership skills. As a result, Harry's not afraid to call out Hermione and Ron when any of them are in the wrong, or when they cross an arbitrary line (say with the Firebolt) while remaining loyal to them. This also extends to the rest of Gryffindor House; they all choose to come to the DA when they come and believe in fighting Umbridge. The other Gryffindors have their faults, but they all have each other's backs, at least where serious issues are concerned.
** Cho in contrast FORCES Marietta to come to Dumbledore's Army, probably by badgering her and guilting her into learning proper spells. Marietta by having less of a choice has less loyalty to Dumbledore's Army and to Cho, eventually selling her out with the rest of the DA to Umbridge after six months of learning valuable spells. Most tropers would call this TheFarmerAndTheViper if it weren't the fact that Marietta gets little screentime, but Marietta had a lot of time to decide her loyalties and probably benefited from the lessons.
** Another nail in the coffin of Harry/Cho's relationship was how Cho responded to Marietta's transgression. Harry has always been in danger, and needs to surround himself with people he can trust. Harry doesn't accept half-friendships or friends that you secretly dislike. Cho doesn't feel as strongly and doesn't see it as a life-or-death betrayal like Harry does.
** What ends up breaking Harry and Cho, in addition to the Cedric PTSD? Their respective loyalties to Hermione and Marietta, their best friends. Cho becomes a ClingyJealousGirl every time Hermione is mentioned, and Harry cannot believe that Cho would stand by someone who stabbed her in the back, considering fake!Moody did the same thing to him in Book Four. Small wonder that Cho and Harry become incompatible.
* There was more to Harry's angst in ''Order of the Phoenix'' than just being a broody teenager. In ''Deathly Hallows'', while taking turns wearing the locket Horcrux, whoever is wearing it feels miserable, and their situation seems even worse than it is (and it's pretty bad to begin with). Near the end of ''Deathly Hallows'', we learn that [[spoiler:part of Voldemort's soul is attached to Harry's soul. So imagine having the locket Horcrux inside you at all times with no way to remove it. And this was coupled with the fact that Voldemort had come back to full power, which strengthened the connection between his soul and the piece of it in Harry. So it wasn't just Harry wangsting and whining, it was being so close to Voldemort that it made everything seem worse to him.]] This also opens up more Fridge Brilliance about why Harry was more upset over Cedric's death than Sirius's. Because of Harry's connection with Voldemort, it made Cedric's death more tragic to him than to anyone else, except probably Cho. Harry was very upset after Sirius died at the end of Order of the Phoenix, but didn't seem to be afterwards. Voldemort started using Occlumency against Harry sometime between the fifth and sixth books. When Harry took off the locket in Deathly Hallows, he immediately felt much less miserable. After being directly connected [[spoiler: to Voldemort's soul]] for an entire year, having Voldemort blocking himself from it was enough of a relief that he was able to get over Sirius's death faster than he could have with Cedric's.
* The reason for Harry's unusual {{Jerkass}} behaviour this whole year? Harry is having PTSD from seeing Cedric get killed! And being tortured by a spell that causes unimaginable pain. And watching a pleading man cut off his own arm. And seeing Harry's nemesis, the most feared wizard in the wizarding world return. It must have been like finding out the bogeyman was real.
* When Snape reads Harry's mind during an occlumency lesson, he looks back to the time when Harry was an infant and Voldemort is attacking their house. Why? Snape wanted to see [[spoiler: the last time Lily, the woman he loved, was alive]]!

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* How the entire school basically rallied against Umbridge... by rallying against Umbridge, they were rallying against the Ministry. If Umbridge hadn't been the DADA teacher, there would have been no reason for Dumbledore's Army to form. Dumbledore's Army was kind of its own family, and Umbridge helped form an allegiance between the entire student body and the teachers, as well as the ghosts. Without the family of DA or the entire schoolwide allegiance already established, nobody besides a few teachers would have been so willing to take up arms against Voldemort, both at the Battle of the Astronomy Tower, or the Second Wizarding War. Harry's support system would have been severely diminished, especially at the end of the seventh book. Harry would probably have not so eagerly led a group in rebellion, if it hadn't been for Dumbledore's Army. Basically, the whole reason anything in the sixth or seventh book worked at all, not to mention with as relatively few casualties as there were, was because of Umbridge, and her Ripple Effect over the entire school in the fifth book.
* Where does "Dumbledore's Army" have their first meeting? At Hog's Head, [[spoiler: owned by Aberforth Dumbledore, truly making it a Dumbledore army]]!
* Making the character Tonks so clumsy. Being a Metamorphmagus, her center centre of gravity must be constantly changing as she changes shapes, thus leaving her continuously unable to find her balance.
* Cho and Harry's relationship leads to ShipSinking in this story. It ultimately comes down to how they treat their friends.
** Harry ALWAYS gives his friends the chance to back out of a dangerous situation; we see this from Book One, where he wants to go on his own to face Voldemort and stop him from stealing the Stone, and Hermione and Ron insist on going with him. When he even starts teaching DA, he's not willing to accept that Hermione and Ron have faith in his teaching abilities and his leadership skills. As a result, Harry's not afraid to call out Hermione and Ron when any of them are in the wrong, or when they cross an arbitrary line (say with the Firebolt) while remaining loyal to them. This also extends to the rest of Gryffindor House; they all choose to come to the DA when they come and believe in fighting Umbridge. The other Gryffindors have their faults, but they all have each other's backs, at least where serious issues are concerned.
** Cho in contrast FORCES Marietta to come to Dumbledore's Army, probably by badgering her and guilting her into learning proper spells. Marietta by having less of a choice has less loyalty to Dumbledore's Army and to Cho, eventually selling her out with the rest of the DA to Umbridge after six months of learning valuable spells. Most tropers would call this TheFarmerAndTheViper if it weren't the fact that Marietta gets little screentime, but Marietta had a lot of time to decide her loyalties and probably benefited from the lessons.
** Another nail in the coffin of Harry/Cho's relationship was how Cho responded to Marietta's transgression. Harry has always been in danger, and needs to surround himself with people he can trust. Harry doesn't accept half-friendships or friends that you secretly dislike. Cho doesn't feel as strongly and doesn't see it as a life-or-death betrayal like Harry does.
** What ends up breaking Harry and Cho, in addition to the Cedric PTSD? Their respective loyalties to Hermione and Marietta, their best friends. Cho becomes a ClingyJealousGirl every time Hermione is mentioned, and Harry cannot believe that Cho would stand by someone who stabbed her in the back, considering fake!Moody did the same thing to him in Book Four. Small wonder that Cho and Harry become incompatible.
* There was more to Harry's angst in ''Order of the Phoenix'' than just being a broody teenager. In ''Deathly Hallows'', while taking turns wearing the locket Horcrux, whoever is wearing it feels miserable, and their situation seems even worse than it is (and it's pretty bad to begin with). Near the end of ''Deathly Hallows'', we learn that [[spoiler:part of Voldemort's soul is attached to Harry's soul. So imagine having the locket Horcrux inside you at all times with no way to remove it. And this was coupled with the fact that Voldemort had come back to full power, which strengthened the connection between his soul and the piece of it in Harry. So it wasn't just Harry wangsting and whining, it was being so close to Voldemort that it made everything seem worse to him.]] This also opens up more Fridge Brilliance about why Harry was more upset over Cedric's death than Sirius's. Because of Harry's connection with Voldemort, it made Cedric's death more tragic to him than to anyone else, except probably Cho. Harry was very upset after Sirius died at the end of Order of the Phoenix, but didn't seem to be afterwards. Voldemort started using Occlumency against Harry sometime between the fifth and sixth books. When Harry took off the locket in Deathly Hallows, he immediately felt much less miserable. After being directly connected [[spoiler: to Voldemort's soul]] for an entire year, having Voldemort blocking himself from it was enough of a relief that he was able to get over Sirius's death faster than he could have with Cedric's.
* The reason for Harry's unusual {{Jerkass}}
behaviour in this whole year? Harry is book cold be explained away by his having PTSD from seeing Cedric get killed! And being tortured by a spell that causes unimaginable pain. And watching a pleading man cut off his own arm. And seeing Harry's nemesis, the most feared wizard in the wizarding world return. It must have been like finding out the bogeyman was real.
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* When Snape reads Harry's mind during an occlumency Occlumency lesson, he looks back to the time when Harry was an infant and Voldemort is attacking their house. Why? Snape wanted to see [[spoiler: the last time Lily, the woman he loved, was alive]]!



* ''Order of the Phoenix'' came out three years after ''Goblet of Fire'' -- the longest gap between any of the two books, which was especially frustrating because ''Goblet of Fire'' ended on a cliffhanger. In the first few chapters of ''Order of the Phoenix'', Harry spends a lot of time angsting about being kept in the dark and not knowing what's going on in the wizarding world. This wasn't just to set up Harry as a character that was going to do a lot of angsting, but a way for JK to acknowledge the audience's frustration -- "Yes, I know, writing this did take longer than expected, and yes, I'm sorry, and see? Harry is frustrated too!"
* Regulus Black's name hints at his [[spoiler: redeeming]] actions [[spoiler: directly before his death. Regulus is a star in the constellation Leo, the lion.]] Specifically, [[spoiler: it's a red star that represents the lion's heart. HE HAS A LION'S HEART.]]
* Remember that spell that James used to humiliate Snape? Well, in "Half-Blood Prince", this very spell is in the Half-Blood Prince's text book as one of the jinxes that the Prince had invented. And, since [[spoiler: Snape is the Half-Blood Prince, James must've learned it because Snape had been casting this spell himself! Hell, he'd most likely have used it on James himself. Suddenly, the whole incident doesn't seem quite as unprovoked as Harry had believed - although since the Marauders started the whole feud unprovoked, Snape would have been fighting back when he developed it.]]
** It's stated in the sixth book that various spells go "in and out of fashion," so that was one that many of James' school mates had probably used to bully someone. Sort of the wizarding equivalent of stuffing a nerd into a locker or giving a swirly.
* When Umbridge orders Snape to give her more TruthSerum (after finishing it), Snape responds that it will take a month before he can make more, and then says "Unless you wish to poison him - and I assure you I would have the greatest sympathy if you did - I cannot help you." This is not only a jab at Harry, but it could be taken as a jab to Umbridge herself: "If you harm him, even I'll be sorry for you after what the '''entire Order''' will do to you."
** And in the film, he deliberately mentions that Umbridge had used the last of the Veritaserum on Cho Chang (which didn't happen in the books, but oh well), in a room full of Cho's classmates who had turned on her after her betrayal (and there's a Reaction Shot of Hermione putting it together). Based on what we find out later about Snape, he probably sympathized with someone being forced into doing something that turned everyone they loved against them.

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* ''Order of the Phoenix'' came out three years after ''Goblet of Fire'' -- which was the longest gap between any of the two books, which was especially frustrating because ''Goblet of Fire'' ended on a cliffhanger.books. In the first few chapters of ''Order of the Phoenix'', Harry spends a lot of time angsting about being kept in the dark and not knowing what's going on in the wizarding world. This wasn't just to set up Harry as a character that was going to do a lot of angsting, but a way for JK to acknowledge the audience's frustration -- "Yes, I know, writing this did take longer than expected, and yes, I'm sorry, and see? Harry is frustrated too!"\n
* Regulus Black's name hints at his [[spoiler: redeeming]] actions [[spoiler: directly before his death. Regulus is a star in the constellation Leo, the lion.]] Specifically, [[spoiler: it's a red star that represents the lion's heart. HE HAS A LION'S HEART.]]\n* Remember that spell that James used to humiliate Snape? Well, in "Half-Blood Prince", this very spell is in the Half-Blood Prince's text book as one of the jinxes that the Prince had invented. And, since [[spoiler: Snape is the Half-Blood Prince, James must've learned it because Snape had been casting this spell himself! Hell, he'd most likely have used it on James himself. Suddenly, the whole incident doesn't seem quite as unprovoked as Harry had believed - although since the Marauders started the whole feud unprovoked, Snape would have been fighting back when he developed it.]]\n** It's stated in the sixth book that various spells go "in and out of fashion," so that was one that many of James' school mates had probably used to bully someone. Sort of the wizarding equivalent of stuffing a nerd into a locker or giving a swirly.\n* When Umbridge orders Snape to give her more TruthSerum (after finishing it), Snape responds that it will take a month before he can make more, and then says "Unless you wish to poison him - and I assure you I would have the greatest sympathy if you did - I cannot help you." This is not only a jab at Harry, but it could be taken as a jab to Umbridge herself: "If you harm him, even I'll be sorry for you after what the '''entire Order''' will do to you."\n** And in the film, he deliberately mentions that Umbridge had used the last of the Veritaserum on Cho Chang (which didn't happen in the books, but oh well), in a room full of Cho's classmates who had turned on her after her betrayal (and there's a Reaction Shot of Hermione putting it together). Based on what we find out later about Snape, he probably sympathized with someone being forced into doing something that turned everyone they loved against them. ]]



* This is the book which has Petunia showing some HypocriticalHumor (with J.K. making sure it won't go unnoticed). This is also the book with the two most significant bits about her connection with the magical world (Dumledore's letter and her referencing "that horrible boy"). After finding out, in the last book, that [[spoiler: her contempt for the magical world came from her wanting to go to Hogwarts and not being able to]], it was hardly a coincidence.
* Speaking of Petunia, when she reveals that she knows what dementors are, she states that she heard about it from "that horrible boy", which Harry takes to mean James. Later on in this same book, we learn that during most of the time when Lily was living with Petunia, she considered James to be a douchebag, and probably wouldn't have invited him to visit her family. Even before the reveal in Deathly Hallows, we were told that Lily had a close friendship with a boy who wasn't James.

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* This is the book which has Petunia showing some HypocriticalHumor (with J.K. making sure it won't go unnoticed).HypocriticalHumor . This is also the book with the two most significant bits about her connection with the magical world (Dumledore's letter and her referencing "that horrible boy"). After finding out, in the last book, that [[spoiler: her contempt for the magical world came from her wanting to go to Hogwarts and not being able to]], it was hardly a coincidence.
* Speaking of Petunia, when she reveals that she knows what dementors are, she states that she heard about it from "that horrible boy", which Harry takes to mean James. Later on in this same book, we learn that during most of the time when Lily was living with Petunia, she considered James to be a douchebag, and probably wouldn't have invited him to visit her family. Even before the reveal in Deathly Hallows, we were told that Lily had a close friendship with a boy who wasn't James.
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* Why Snape's Worst Memory is left out of the film. The context is different. In the book Harry enters the Pensieve which Snape is using so that Harry won't have access to his private memories. In the film Harry uses the Shield Charm like he does in the book. He doesn't witness Lily in there because Snape had removed the memory and put it in the Pensieve.
* The significance of Snape and Lily's interaction in his worst memory. He calls her "Mudblood", essentially calling her the wizard variant of the n-word. Lily responds by pointedly calling him "Snivellus". Up until that point, she has been his friend and Snivellus is what people who bully him call him. She's essentially firing back with the worst thing she could think of calling him, wanting to hurt him as much as he has hurt her. That's also her symbolic way of ending their friendship.
* The chapter called "Snape's Worst Memory" is entirely accurate, but not for reasons you'd initially expect. [[spoiler:After reading ''Deathly Hallows'', you may realize that it's not his worst memory because he was bullied beyond humiliation by James and Sirius (in fact, it's implied that said bullying was a regular occurrence- though also that James and Snape were sworn enemies and therefore always at each others' throats), but because in his rage, he called Lily (who he was in love with) a Mudblood, which totally and completely destroyed his chances of getting together with her.]]
* It may seem odd that Umbridge is so indulgent to the Slytherins right from the start as compared to every one else. But then you realize that her entire life is based around petty ambition. Ambition is the defining trait of Slytherin House; she would have been a Slytherin in school. Not to mention that while this book doesn't tell us that she shares the "pure wizarding blood" obsession characteristic of most pure-blood Slytherins, her contempt for part-humans is a rather nasty likeness. [[spoiler:And based on the last book she may indeed have had contempt for "Mudbloods," though YMMV - her enthusiasm might have simply been because of her desire for power in "the Establishment" regardless of what form "the Establishment" takes, or even just out of pure nonspecific sadism.]]

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* Why Snape's Worst Memory is left out of the film. The context is different. In the book Harry enters the Pensieve which Snape is using so that Harry won't have access to his private memories. In the film Harry uses the Shield Charm like he does in the book. He doesn't witness Lily in there because Snape had removed the memory and put it in the Pensieve.
* The significance of Snape and Lily's interaction in his worst memory. He calls her "Mudblood", essentially calling her quite possibly the wizard variant of worst slur in the n-word.wizarding world. Lily responds by pointedly calling him "Snivellus". Up until that point, she [[spoiler:she has been his friend and Snivellus is what people who bully him call him. She's essentially firing back with the worst thing she could think of calling him, wanting to hurt him as much as he has hurt her. That's also her symbolic way of ending their friendship.friendship]].
* The chapter called "Snape's Worst Memory" is entirely accurate, but not for reasons you'd initially expect. [[spoiler:After reading ''Deathly Hallows'', you may realize that it's not his worst memory because he was bullied beyond humiliation by James and Sirius (in fact, it's implied that said bullying was a regular occurrence- though also that James and Snape were sworn enemies and therefore always at each others' throats), but because in his rage, he called Lily (who he was in love with) a Mudblood, which totally and completely destroyed his chances of getting together with her.]]
* It may seem odd that Umbridge is so indulgent to the Slytherins right from the start as compared to every one else. But then you realize realise that her entire life is based around petty ambition. Ambition is the defining trait of Slytherin House; she would have been a Slytherin in school. Not to mention that while this book doesn't tell us that she shares the "pure wizarding blood" obsession characteristic of most pure-blood Slytherins, her contempt for part-humans is a rather nasty likeness. [[spoiler:And based on the last book she may indeed have had contempt for "Mudbloods," though YMMV - her enthusiasm might have simply been because of her desire for power in "the Establishment" regardless of what form "the Establishment" takes, or even just out of pure nonspecific sadism.]]



* Rowling's LeaningOnTheFourthWall in this exchange. Just think about Moody's wording for a second. Then laugh to yourself and wonder if it was intentional.
-->"I am not aware that it is any of your business what goes on in my house--"
-->"I expect what you're not aware of would fill several books, [Vernon] Dursley," growled Moody.
* The students who used the snackboxes claimed they had "Umbridgeitis". In other words, Umbridge was making them sick! Or they were sick of Umbridge, [[TakeThatScrappy either way. . .]]
* While Harry is using the fire in Umbridge's office to talk to Sirius, he very quickly finds himself in some pain because of the awkward position of having his head in the fire. He even wonders how Sirius has managed so easily. Then Sirius arrives at his end and without ceremony, drops to his hands and knees to converse. Well, of course. After years as an Animagus, he's probably pretty comfortable being on all fours.
* Why does Snape explain to Harry that he must control his emotions and discipline his mind? [[spoiler: Because at his age Snape's own inability to do that cost him what could have been a happy life with Lily.]]
* It seems very apparent that Harry is looking for Sirius in row number 97. The first Harry Potter book (and where Sirius is first introduced via a passing mention by Hagrid in the very first chapter) was published in 1997.
* How is Umbridge [[spoiler:a KarmaHoudini so that in book six she's still working at the Ministry and even had the gall to mention to Rufus Scrimgeour that Harry wants to be an Auror when she said she would do anything to make sure he would never become one?]] Because anyone who would speak against her like Harry, Hermione, and the Gryffindors that suffered directly under her role [[spoiler:have lost faith in the Ministry's competence, namely in how the Ministry tried to run the school like a dictatorship, and face bigger problems with Voldemort's return made public]]. Dumbledore puts the Ministry out of mind once he gets his school back, and focuses on finding [[spoiler:Voldemort's weakness]], [=McGonagall=] is still recovering [[spoiler:from her four Stunners to the chest]], and Hagrid wants nothing to do with Aurors that [[spoiler:tried to forcibly remove him from his post]]. As for the students that benefited, like the Slytherins, it's best for them to keep their mouths shut since [[spoiler:even if they have the gold to bribe politicians, like the Malfoys did.]]
* Snape's NeverMyFault attitude about [[spoiler:failing to teach Harry Occlumency, since it was as much his fault for kicking Harry out as it was Harry's for not trying to learn]] falls in line with TheReveal that [[spoiler:after he switched sides he begged Dumbledore not to tell anyone about why he switched, as well as his hatred for Harry, James and Sirius overcoming TheNeedsOfTheMany.]] While he knows that it's important that Harry needs to learn Occlumency, [[spoiler:Snape doesn't shed tears over the fact that Sirius died as a consequence of Harry not learning to block his mind and for him Sirius wasn't exactly a valuable member of the Order, so in his mind the outcome wasn't as terrible as it could have been]].
* Why doesn't Harry report Umbridge detentions to anybody? Because in previous years, most authority figures haven't believed him, disregarded him, or shown grievous bias in their own judgement.
** His upbringing with the Dursleys, (Self-explanatory)
** Most teachers not believing him about either the Philosopher's Stone being in danger, Sirius' innocence, or Voldemort's return.
** Lockhart's FakeUltimateHero status.
** Snape's teaching (Again, self-explanatory).
** And to top it off, the Order is blatantly keeping things from him, Dumbledore himself is distant, means that Harry sadly realized that he can't really count on anybody to help him in this case.
* In the book (the movie seems to have hyped it up for RuleOfCool), Dumbledore barely seems to be breathing hard when fighting Voldemort. Why not go all-out and defeat Tom quickly? Because doing so would probably make Voldemort cut and run. Then they'd be left with a bunch of Death Eaters (probably all "upstanding citizens" who could worm their way out of trouble), and a bunch of students, one of whom is already infamous. ''He's deliberately stalling Voldemort until Fudge and the others arrive,'' so that they can see for themselves that he's back, and so get Harry and co. out of trouble.



* The way that Harry shakes off Voldemort's possession? Not only thoughts of his loved ones [[EvilCannotComprehendGood (Voldemort cannot understand love, of course)]] but, in a sad way, his wish at that particular moment to reunite with his lost loved ones in[=/=]after death. The other thing we find out about Voldemort in the following two books is that he ascribes to TheNothingAfterDeath and fears it above all else. While Harry doesn't (and at times in the latter half of the series edges disturbingly close to DeathSeeker, at least in his head). It was like a one-two punch of "DOES NOT COMPUTE" in Voldemort's brain. No wonder he had to bail.
* Fred tells Harry that the Ministry has stripped Dumbledore of his many titles (such as Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot), but that Dumbledore doesn't care as long as they don't take him off the Chocolate Frog cards. It seems like one of Dumbledore's subtle jokes as usual, but there is some sense to it - the Ministry is trying to discredit Dumbledore and obscure fact to pretend that Voldemort hasn't returned. Dumbledore knows that young wizards learn a lot about history and current events through Chocolate Frog Cards, and he doesn't want the Ministry to obscure the truth any more than they already have!
* Dumbledore defeats Voldemort on pure skill, but ''imagine'' what the Elder Wand - which ''literally exists to be wielded by people with '''supreme power''''' - is thinking? If it ''could'' cackle maniacally, it ''would.'' It is being wielded (and used) by ''the'' most supremely powerful man in the world currently (maybe even ''ever'').
* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a metric fuck tonne of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' side, rather than Voldemort's.
* More Fridge Funny but stop to think of the flight to the battle at the Ministry for the perspective of anyone but Harry, Neville and Luna, it is established that, because they've not seen anyone actually die Hermione and Ron cannot see the Thestrals, and the same can be assumed about Ginny, so presumably they cannot see ''what'' they are riding. Particularly since Hermione has been shown not to be that good at flight at the best of times.
* It's revealed in this book that girls can ascend the Gryffindor common room staircase up to the boys' dormitories but the same isn't true the other way around. Hermione exposits that it's an 'old-fashioned rule' from the Founders' era because of their thoughts that boys were less trustworthy. Although it's easy to see what the Founders were getting at[[note]]they didn't want boys going up to girls' dorms while they were sleeping and trying any funny business[[/note]], this seems kind of egregious and one-sided(especially in a modern wizarding society that seems in some ways to be more progressive about gender issues than the Muggle world) until you realize that the world the wizards grew up in was the ''Dark Ages'', just before 1000CE, where the incorrect stereotypes of AllWomenArePrudes and AManIsAlwaysEager may have been prevailing beliefs in European society, wizard or no...to say nothing of heteronormativity. Or simply that the girls needed that protection much more than the boys did (practically, they may have still wanted to give the girls an option to hide in the boys' wing if, say, the castle were ever to be attacked). Alternatively, this could have just been Godric Gryffindor's belief - Hermione says 'The Founders' as if they agreed in collective but we never see enough of any other house's living quarters to confirm this. He had a habit of dueling [[MagicKnight as much if not more with this sword than he did with his wand]], so it's not hard to imagine him having something of a RatedMForManly personality and a few beliefs about gender and sexuality that [[DeliberateValuesDissonance are rightfully viewed as regressive in a modern-day society]] but hardly anyone would have raised an eyebrow at in the Dark Ages.
* FridgeBrilliance for the film adaptation. Umbridge's evaluation of Flitwick's choir practice ends with her getting out a magical tape measure to sort of passive-aggressively mock him for his small stature. It seems like just a random bit of nastiness on her part, but then you remember that 1. Umbridge [[FantasticRacism hates half-breeds]] and 2. Flitwick is part-Goblin...

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* The way that Harry shakes off Voldemort's possession? Not only thoughts of his loved ones [[EvilCannotComprehendGood (Voldemort cannot understand love, of course)]] but, in a sad way, his wish at that particular moment to reunite with his lost loved ones in[=/=]after death. The other thing we find out about Voldemort in the following two books is that he ascribes to TheNothingAfterDeath and fears it above all else. While Harry doesn't (and at times in the latter half of the series edges disturbingly close to DeathSeeker, at least in his head). It was like a one-two punch of "DOES NOT COMPUTE" in Voldemort's brain. No wonder he had to bail.\n* Fred tells Harry that the Ministry has stripped Dumbledore of his many titles (such as Chief Warlock of the Wizengamot), but that Dumbledore doesn't care as long as they don't take him off the Chocolate Frog cards. It seems like one of Dumbledore's subtle jokes as usual, but there is some sense to it - the Ministry is trying to discredit Dumbledore and obscure fact to pretend that Voldemort hasn't returned. Dumbledore knows that young wizards learn a lot about history and current events through Chocolate Frog Cards, and he doesn't want the Ministry to obscure the truth any more than they already have!\n* Dumbledore defeats Voldemort on pure skill, but ''imagine'' what the Elder Wand - which ''literally exists to be wielded by people with '''supreme power''''' - is thinking? If it ''could'' cackle maniacally, it ''would.'' It is being wielded (and used) by ''the'' most supremely powerful man in the world currently (maybe even ''ever'').\n
* Why does Dumbledore never reprimand Hagrid for all the creatures he keeps getting? Because Hagrid is a half-giant and can ''handle'' said creatures and, ultimately, it's more useful to have a half-giant ''armed with a metric fuck tonne lot of dangerous creatures'' on ''his'' side, side rather than Voldemort's.
* More Fridge Funny but stop to think of the flight to the battle at the Ministry for the perspective of anyone but Harry, Neville and Luna, it is established that, because they've not seen anyone actually die Hermione and Ron cannot see the Thestrals, and the same can be assumed about Ginny, so presumably they cannot see ''what'' they are riding. Particularly since Hermione has been shown not to be that good at flight at the best of times.
* It's revealed in this book that girls can ascend the Gryffindor common room staircase up to the boys' dormitories but the same isn't true the other way around. Hermione exposits that it's an 'old-fashioned rule' from the Founders' era because of their thoughts that boys were less trustworthy. Although it's easy to see what the Founders were getting at[[note]]they didn't want boys going up to girls' dorms while they were sleeping and trying any funny business[[/note]], this seems kind of egregious and one-sided(especially in a modern wizarding society that seems in some ways to be more progressive about gender issues than the Muggle world) until you realize that the world the wizards grew up in was the ''Dark Ages'', just before 1000CE, where the incorrect stereotypes of AllWomenArePrudes and AManIsAlwaysEager may have been prevailing beliefs in European society, wizard or no...to say nothing of heteronormativity. Or simply that the girls needed that protection much more than the boys did (practically, they may have still wanted to give the girls an option to hide in the boys' wing if, say, the castle were ever to be attacked). Alternatively, this could have just been Godric Gryffindor's belief - Hermione says 'The Founders' as if they agreed in collective but we never see enough of any other house's living quarters to confirm this. He had a habit of dueling [[MagicKnight as much if not more with this sword than he did with his wand]], so it's not hard to imagine him having something of a RatedMForManly personality and a few beliefs about gender and sexuality that [[DeliberateValuesDissonance are rightfully viewed as regressive in a modern-day society]] but hardly anyone would have raised an eyebrow at in the Dark Ages.
* FridgeBrilliance for the film adaptation. Umbridge's evaluation of Flitwick's choir practice ends with her getting out a magical tape measure to sort of passive-aggressively mock him for his small stature. It seems like just a random bit of nastiness on her part, but then you remember that 1. Umbridge [[FantasticRacism hates half-breeds]] and 2. Flitwick is part-Goblin...
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* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance. [[spoiler: She is abducted by the centaurs after Harry and Hermione lead her into the Forbidden Forest. Anyone who knows the mythology of centaurs knows that they '''RAPE''' human women.]] This totally explains her mood when she is in the infirmary later on in what can only be described as a traumatized state. It also lets you know that [[BewareTheNiceOnes you should never fuck with Hermione or her friends]], as it was '''HER''' idea. And as the BadassBookworm she is, she definitely would have known beforehand.
** Except the centaurs in Harry Potter are nothing like the centaurs in greek mythology. The centaurs in Harry Potter are proud creatures who like to predict the future using the stars. The centaurs in greek mythology are chaotic and out of control. Also, due to the lack of women's rights in Ancient Greece, rape wasn't considered a serious crime back then, so if JK Rowling was trying to copy the centaurs from greek mythology, which she wasn't, she probably wouldn't have made them rapists.
*** On the other hand, Umbridge, given that she was a screaming racist, probably believed the very worst things about centaurs, including the Greek mythology stories where they rape women - so the encounter with them would have nonetheless been extremely traumatizing.
*** Even if Potterverse centaurs don't normally rape human women, they may have made an exception for someone so dreadfully unpleasant. And even if they didn't do ''that'', they certainly did ''something'' to Umbridge best left offpage/screen, to keep the series family-friendly.
* Sirius gave Harry a magic mirror as he left for Hogwarts, which Harry chose not to open and forgot about. Poor Sirius, cooped up alone at Grimmauld Place, probably wondering if Harry was ignoring him.
** Not only that, but Harry could've used the mirror to contact Sirius instead of using Umbridge's fireplace and being lied to by Kreacher about Sirius having left Grimmauld Place. Had he successfully contacted Sirius with the mirror, he wouldn't have gone to the Department of Mysteries and therefore wouldn't have needed rescuing, in which case Sirius probably wouldn't have died. This would've required Sirius to either have carried his mirror with him at all times or most of the time – which wouldn't have been impossible since Harry's mirror is described as being "roughly the size of a paperback book" – or the mirror being located near enough to the room where Sirius was taking care of Buckbeak for him to have heard Harry's voice coming from the mirror.
** When he gave Harry the package with the mirror in it, Sirius said it contained something Harry could use to let Sirius know if Snape was giving him a hard time. Harry decided to not even open the package as he didn't want to take even the smallest chance of Sirius leaving Grimmauld Place to help Harry. However, if Harry had just trusted Sirius to act like an adult and not dash into Hogwarts whenever Harry was having a bad time, he would've found out he had a convenient way to contact Sirius that didn't involve shoving one's head into the fireplace in Umbridge's office. Thus Harry's mistrust of and desire to protect Sirius might have indirectly lead to his death.
* Consider this one. In the fifth book, Harry [[spoiler: sees a vision of Sirius being attacked]], then proceeds to freak out and do everything in his power to [[spoiler: go save him]]. When Hermione tells him that he needs to verify that [[spoiler: Sirius is actually missing]] first, he [[spoiler: hatches a plot to sneak into Umbridge's office and use her fire to check if Sirius is at headquarters.]] This leads to [[spoiler: the entire climax, and ultimately Sirius' death.]] NiceJobBreakingItHero!
** Unfortunately, Hermione being the one to point this out might have exacerbated the issue. Throughout the entire series, she's earned (somewhat fairly) a reputation of being overly cautious and a bit of a worrywart, only to find occasionally that the situation didn't call for it. Do that enough times and at some point instead of, "Oh, she has a valid point," it'll be, "Well, that's just Hermione being Hermione."
* In Order of the Phoenix, Dolores Umbridge is not shown to be a particularly talented witch, being utterly unable to combat Fred and George's wild array of spells, but she has complete confidence in her ability to cast the Cruciatus Curse (described as a very hard curse to bring off) on Harry. The most likely explanation? ''She's had plenty of practice using it before.'' The fact she calmly states that the use of an illegal curse won't be a problem if nobody finds out it's been used doesn't help.
** In regards to the Unforgivables, Umbridge could've used the Imperious Curse on Harry to make him blab his secrets which wouldve been easier and faster than waiting for him to crack under torture. The fact that she goes straight for a Cruccio shows what [[{{Sadist}} her]] priorities are. Then there's the fact that Harry's friends would've been forced to see him tortured without being able to do anything, particularly Neville whose parents were driven insane from the Cruciatus Curse.
*** Not to defend her, but Umbridge was aware that the class had been subjected to Fake Moody placing the Imperius Curse on them. It's not a stretch for her to have learned that Harry was skilled at resisting the Imperius Curse.
* The listing of floors at St. Mungo's suggests that the hospital is equipped to deal with every possible kind of magical malady, but ''not'' to deal with common mundane ailments such as heart disease, diabetes, or cancer. Going by Ron's reaction to the word, wizards don't have any faith in Muggle doctors' capabilities, and none of them know any mundane biology beyond what a ten-year-old Muggle would've been taught, so if a wizard or witch comes down with a ''non''-magical illness, they're going to be stuck with whatever crude home remedy their medically-ignorant families can whip up. Mrs. Crouch's terminal illness might well have been averted if she'd ever thought to go to a Muggle hospital.
** Not necessarily. Pepper-Up Potion is mentioned as curing the common cold (something human doctors haven't done) and Ron decries doctors as "Muggle nutters who cut people up". Presumably, they have magical ways of dealing with things such as cancer and the like - potions and spells in place of chemotherapy and surgery. One would also think that studying how magic affects the body in terms of illness and injury would require a great deal of knowledge about anatomy and physiology. Muggles and wizards are both human, after all.
** Not true -- Pottermore, and J.K's writing on it -- confirm that Wizards can easily cure any Muggle illnesses they get (which is why they don't have any Muggle illness floors at St. Mungo's), implying that Mrs Crouch died of something incurable, like Dragon Pox.
*** Or a much sadder option is in play; it's shown in several instances that emotional upheaval can have serious effects on a wizard's powers and even their vitality. [[TearJerker Perhaps Mrs. Crouch died of a broken heart.]]
* The love room in the Department of Mysteries sounds tame enough, but it's been permanently locked with extremely powerful enchantments. Which brings up the question: why is it there if it's not used? The answer is that something went wrong in there that was so horrible that they can't chance going in there ever again. Remember, love in the Potterverse is an extremely powerful magical force. And as they say in the Narnia books, ''good'' does not mean ''safe''. Especially when contrasted with the Veil of Death, which is not under additional lock and key.
** Presumably, the door is unlockable at certain times by certain people who are doing the study and experimentation at that moment and none other. It merely has stronger protection than the other rooms, like a bank having both a safe and a vault.
* The more you learn about Sirius Black's life, the more horrifying it gets. Recap: he grew up with an awful, racist, emotionally abusive family that treated him like a disgrace (and had Bellatrix Lestrange over for dinner). At the age of 16, he ran away from home to live with James Potter. A year or two later, he graduated Hogwarts and joined the Order of the Phoenix at the height of Voldemort's power, when he was picking off those who opposed him one by one. Then one of his friends betrayed Sirius' best friends/surrogate family to Voldemort, ''framed him for it'', and got him sent to a prison where he spend the next twelve years reliving his worst memories. Of which there were probably quite a few, by this time. He broke out, managed to prove his innocence to his remaining living friend and godson, then was forced to go on the run again. Finally, he spent the last year of his life shut up in the very house he ran away from as a teenager, unable to take part in the fight against Voldemort because the rest of the world still thought he was a Death Eater who had betrayed his best friend to Voldemort, alone except for Buckbeak, his memories of Azkaban, and an alcohol problem. When you look at it, the best years of Sirius' life honestly seem to be in the midst of a war and on the run eating rats.
* The scene with Mrs. Weasley's boggart, which turns into [[spoiler: various members of her family, lying dead. Even she couldn't imagine Fred and George dying separately.]]
** Also doubles as Heartwarming, but [[spoiler: the list of family members includes Harry, who honestly is the most likely of them all to die. She's fallen in love with a boy with a target on his back, and she knows that she and her family will most likely pay for it--and ''she doesn't care''.]]
* This book introduces Vanishing Charms, which makes the target vanish "into non-being, which is to say, everything" - in other words, you are destroying the physical form of the thing you are vanishing and scattering its atoms. They practice this on ''animals'' with Hermione vanishing a ''kitten'' at one point. Keep in mind Hermione owns a cat. Despite the fact that this is essentially a more terrifying version of ''Avada Kedavera'', it's taught to fifteen-year-olds. Imagine if a Death Eater used that on a human- come to think of it, a lot of people vanished in the last two books and were never explicitly heard from again...
* Considering the actions of the Inquisitorial Squad, they dealt in TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior as Umbridge's secret police by condoning her actions and turning a blind eye to [[spoiler: her torturing students or preparing to do so]]. [[spoiler:After the war, all it would take is a few words from the entire Hogwarts student body to make sure that the former members never received respectable positions in the Ministry. Malfoy's pretty lucky to have his family fortune as an adult so he doesn't need to work.]]

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\n* Dolores Umbridge's eventual comeuppance. [[spoiler: She is abducted by comeuppance at the centaurs after Harry and Hermione lead her into the Forbidden Forest. Anyone who knows the mythology of centaurs knows that they '''RAPE''' human women.]] This totally explains her mood when she is in the infirmary later on in what can only be described as a traumatized state. It also lets you know that [[BewareTheNiceOnes you should never fuck with Hermione or her friends]], as it was '''HER''' idea. And as the BadassBookworm she is, she definitely would have known beforehand.
** Except the centaurs in Harry Potter are nothing like the centaurs in greek mythology. The centaurs in Harry Potter are proud creatures who like to predict the future using the stars. The centaurs in greek mythology are chaotic and out of control. Also, due to the lack of women's rights in Ancient Greece, rape wasn't considered a serious crime back then, so if JK Rowling was trying to copy the centaurs from greek mythology, which she wasn't, she probably wouldn't have made them rapists.
*** On the other hand, Umbridge, given that she was a screaming racist, probably believed the very worst things about centaurs, including the Greek mythology stories where they rape women - so the encounter with them would have nonetheless been extremely traumatizing.
*** Even if Potterverse centaurs don't normally rape human women, they may have made an exception for someone so dreadfully unpleasant. And even if they didn't do ''that'', they certainly did ''something'' to Umbridge best left offpage/screen, to keep the series family-friendly.
* Sirius gave Harry a magic mirror as he left for Hogwarts, which Harry chose not to open and forgot about. Poor Sirius, cooped up alone at Grimmauld Place, probably wondering if Harry was ignoring him.
** Not only that, but Harry could've used the mirror to contact Sirius instead of using Umbridge's fireplace and being lied to by Kreacher about Sirius having left Grimmauld Place. Had he successfully contacted Sirius with the mirror, he wouldn't have gone to the Department of Mysteries and therefore wouldn't have needed rescuing, in which case Sirius probably wouldn't have died. This would've required Sirius to either have carried his mirror with him at all times or most
hands of the time – which wouldn't have been impossible since Harry's mirror is described as being "roughly the size of a paperback book" – or the mirror being located near enough to the room where Sirius was taking care of Buckbeak for him to have heard Harry's voice coming from the mirror.
** When he gave Harry the package with the mirror in it, Sirius said it contained something Harry could use to let Sirius know if Snape was giving him a hard time. Harry decided to not even open the package as he didn't want to take even the smallest chance of Sirius leaving Grimmauld Place to help Harry. However, if Harry had just trusted Sirius to act like an adult and not dash into Hogwarts whenever Harry was having a bad time, he would've found out he had a convenient way to contact Sirius that didn't involve shoving one's head into the fireplace in Umbridge's office. Thus Harry's mistrust of and desire to protect Sirius might have indirectly lead to his death.
* Consider this one. In the fifth book, Harry [[spoiler: sees a vision of Sirius being attacked]], then proceeds to freak out and do everything in his power to [[spoiler: go save him]]. When Hermione tells him that he needs to verify that [[spoiler: Sirius is actually missing]] first, he [[spoiler: hatches a plot to sneak into Umbridge's office and use her fire to check if Sirius is at headquarters.]] This leads to [[spoiler: the entire climax, and ultimately Sirius' death.]] NiceJobBreakingItHero!
** Unfortunately, Hermione being the one to point this out might have exacerbated the issue. Throughout the entire series, she's earned (somewhat fairly) a reputation of being overly cautious and a bit of a worrywart, only to find occasionally that the situation didn't call for it. Do that enough times and at some point instead of, "Oh, she has a valid point," it'll be, "Well, that's just Hermione being Hermione."
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* In Order of the Phoenix, Dolores Umbridge is not shown to be a particularly talented witch, being utterly unable to combat Fred and George's wild array of spells, but she has complete confidence in her ability to cast the Cruciatus Curse (described as a very hard curse to bring off) on Harry. The most likely explanation? ''She's She's had plenty of practice using it before.'' The fact she calmly states that the use of an illegal curse won't be a problem if nobody finds out it's been used doesn't help.
** In regards to the Unforgivables, Umbridge could've used the Imperious Curse on Harry to make him blab his secrets which wouldve been easier and faster than waiting for him to crack under torture. The fact that she goes straight for a Cruccio shows what [[{{Sadist}} her]] priorities are. Then there's the fact that Harry's friends would've been forced to see him tortured without being able to do anything, particularly Neville whose parents were driven insane from the Cruciatus Curse.
*** Not to defend her, but Umbridge was aware that the class had been subjected to Fake Moody placing the Imperius Curse on them. It's not a stretch for her to have learned that Harry was skilled at resisting the Imperius Curse.
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* The listing of floors at St. Mungo's suggests that the hospital is equipped to deal with every possible kind of magical malady, but ''not'' not to deal with common mundane ailments such as heart disease, diabetes, or cancer. Going by Ron's reaction to the word, wizards don't have any faith in Muggle doctors' capabilities, capabilities and none of them know any mundane biology beyond what a ten-year-old Muggle would've been taught, so if a wizard or witch comes down with a ''non''-magical illness, they're going to be stuck with whatever crude home remedy their medically-ignorant families can whip up. Mrs. Crouch's terminal illness might well have been averted if she'd ever thought to go to a Muggle hospital.
** Not necessarily. Pepper-Up Potion is mentioned as curing the common cold (something human doctors haven't done) and Ron decries doctors as "Muggle nutters who cut people up". Presumably, they have magical ways of dealing with things such as cancer and the like - potions and spells in place of chemotherapy and surgery. One would also think that studying how magic affects the body in terms of illness and injury would require a great deal of knowledge about anatomy and physiology. Muggles and wizards are both human, after all.
** Not true -- Pottermore, and J.K's writing on it -- confirm that Wizards can easily cure any Muggle illnesses they get (which is why they don't have any Muggle illness floors at St. Mungo's), implying that Mrs Crouch died of something incurable, like Dragon Pox.
*** Or a much sadder option is in play; it's shown in several instances that emotional upheaval can have serious effects on a wizard's powers and even their vitality. [[TearJerker Perhaps Mrs. Crouch died of a broken heart.]]
* The love room in the Department of Mysteries sounds tame enough, but it's been permanently locked with extremely powerful enchantments. Which brings up the question: why is it there if it's not used? The answer is that something went wrong in there that was so horrible that they can't chance going in there ever again. Remember, love in the Potterverse is an extremely powerful magical force. And as they say in the Narnia books, ''good'' does not mean ''safe''. Especially when contrasted with the Veil of Death, which is not under additional lock and key.\n** Presumably, the door is unlockable at certain times by certain people who are doing the study and experimentation at that moment and none other. It merely has stronger protection than the other rooms, like a bank having both a safe and a vault.\n
* The more you learn about Sirius Black's life, the more horrifying it gets. Recap: he He grew up with an awful, racist, emotionally abusive family that treated him like a disgrace (and had Bellatrix Lestrange over for dinner).disgrace. At the age of 16, he ran away from home to live with James Potter. A year or two later, he graduated from Hogwarts and joined the Order of the Phoenix at the height of Voldemort's power, when he was picking off those who opposed him one by one. power. Then one of his friends betrayed Sirius' best friends/surrogate family to Voldemort, ''framed framed him for it'', it, and got him sent to a prison where he spend the next twelve years reliving his worst memories. Of which there were probably quite a few, few by this time. He broke out, managed to prove his innocence to his remaining living friend and godson, then was forced to go on the run again. Finally, he spent the last year of his life shut up in the very house he ran away from as a teenager, unable to take part in the fight against Voldemort because the rest of the world still thought he was a Death Eater who had betrayed his best friend to Voldemort, alone except for Buckbeak, Buckbeak and his memories of Azkaban, and an alcohol problem. When you look at it, the best years of Sirius' life honestly seem to be in the midst of a war and on the run eating rats.
* The scene with Mrs. Weasley's boggart, which turns into [[spoiler: various members of her family, lying dead. Even she couldn't imagine Fred and George dying separately.]]
** Also doubles as Heartwarming, but [[spoiler: the list of family members includes Harry, who honestly is the most likely of them all to die. She's fallen in love with a boy with a target on his back, and she knows that she and her family will most likely pay for it--and ''she doesn't care''.]]
* This book introduces Vanishing Charms, which makes the target vanish "into non-being, which is to say, everything" - in other words, you are destroying the physical form of the thing you are vanishing and scattering its atoms. They practice this on ''animals'' with Hermione vanishing a ''kitten'' at one point. Keep in mind Hermione owns a cat. Despite the fact that this is essentially a more terrifying version of ''Avada Kedavera'', it's taught to fifteen-year-olds. Imagine if a Death Eater used that on a human- come to think of it, a lot of people vanished in the last two books and were never explicitly heard from again...
* Considering the actions of the Inquisitorial Squad, they dealt in TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior as Umbridge's secret police by condoning her actions and turning a blind eye to [[spoiler: her torturing students or preparing to do so]]. [[spoiler:After the war, all it would take is a few words from the entire Hogwarts student body to make sure that the former members never received respectable positions in the Ministry. Malfoy's pretty lucky to have his family fortune as an adult so he doesn't need to work.]]
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* More Fridge Funny but stop to think of the flight to the battle at the Ministry for the perspective of anyone but Harry and Luna, it is established that, because they've not seen anyone actually die Hermione and Ron cannot see the Thestrals, and the same can be assumed about Ginny, so presumably they cannot see ''what'' they are riding. Particularly since Hermione has been shown not to be that good at flight at the best of times.

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* More Fridge Funny but stop to think of the flight to the battle at the Ministry for the perspective of anyone but Harry Harry, Neville and Luna, it is established that, because they've not seen anyone actually die Hermione and Ron cannot see the Thestrals, and the same can be assumed about Ginny, so presumably they cannot see ''what'' they are riding. Particularly since Hermione has been shown not to be that good at flight at the best of times.


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* FridgeBrilliance for the film adaptation. Umbridge's evaluation of Flitwick's choir practice ends with her getting out a magical tape measure to sort of passive-aggressively mock him for his small stature. It seems like just a random bit of nastiness on her part, but then you remember that 1. Umbridge [[FantasticRacism hates half-breeds]] and 2. Flitwick is part-Goblin...
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* More Fridge Funny but stop to think of the flight to the battle at the Ministry for the perspective of anyone but Harry and Luna, it is established that, because they've not seen anyone actually die Hermione and Ron cannot see the Thestrals, and the same can be assumed about Neville, so presumably they cannot see ''what'' they are riding. Particularly since Hermione and Neville have been shown not to be that good at flight at the best of times.

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* More Fridge Funny but stop to think of the flight to the battle at the Ministry for the perspective of anyone but Harry and Luna, it is established that, because they've not seen anyone actually die Hermione and Ron cannot see the Thestrals, and the same can be assumed about Neville, Ginny, so presumably they cannot see ''what'' they are riding. Particularly since Hermione and Neville have has been shown not to be that good at flight at the best of times.
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* It's revealed in this book that girls can ascend the Gryffindor common room staircase up to the boys' dormitories but the same isn't true the other way around. Hermione exposits that it's an 'old-fashioned rule' from the Founders' era because of their thoughts that boys were less trustworthy. Although it's easy to see what the Founders were getting at[[note]]they didn't want boys going up to girls' dorms while they were sleeping and trying any funny business[[/note]], this seems kind of egregious and one-sided(especially in a modern wizarding society that seems in some ways to be more progressive about gender issues than the Muggle world) until you realize that the world the wizards grew up in was the ''Dark Ages'', just before 1000CE, where the incorrect stereotypes of AllWomenArePrudes and AManIsAlwaysEager may have been prevailing beliefs in European society, wizard or no...to say nothing of heteronormativity. Or simply that the girls needed that protection much more than the boys did (practically, they may have still wanted to give the girls an option to hide in the boys' wing if, say, the castle were ever to be attacked). Alternatively, this could have just been Godric Gryffindor's belief - Hermione says 'The Founders' as if they agreed in collective but we never see enough of any other house's living quarters to confirm this. He had a habit of dueling [[MagicKnight as much if not more with this sword than he did with his wand]], so it's not hard to imagine him having something of a RatedMForManly personality and a few beliefs about gender and sexuality that [[DeliberateValuesDissonance are rightfully viewed as regressive in a modern-day society]] but hardly anyone would have raised an eyebrow at in the Dark Ages.
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** Also doubles as Heartwarming, but [[spoiler: the list of family members includes Harry, who honestly is the most likely of them all to die. She's fallen in love with a boy with a target on his back, and she knows that she and her family will most likely pay for it--and ''she doesn't care''.]]

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* When Umbridge orders Snape to give her more TruthSerum (after finishing it), Snape responds that it will take a month before he can make more, and then says "Unless you wish to poison him - and I assure you I would have the greatest sympathy if you did - I cannot help you.". This is not only a jab at Harry, but it could be taken as a jab to Umbridge herself: "If you harm him, even I'll be sorry for you after what the '''entire Order''' will do to you."

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* When Umbridge orders Snape to give her more TruthSerum (after finishing it), Snape responds that it will take a month before he can make more, and then says "Unless you wish to poison him - and I assure you I would have the greatest sympathy if you did - I cannot help you.". " This is not only a jab at Harry, but it could be taken as a jab to Umbridge herself: "If you harm him, even I'll be sorry for you after what the '''entire Order''' will do to you.""
** And in the film, he deliberately mentions that Umbridge had used the last of the Veritaserum on Cho Chang (which didn't happen in the books, but oh well), in a room full of Cho's classmates who had turned on her after her betrayal (and there's a Reaction Shot of Hermione putting it together). Based on what we find out later about Snape, he probably sympathized with someone being forced into doing something that turned everyone they loved against them.
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*** Not to defend her, but Umbridge was aware that the class had been subjected to Fake Moody placing the Imperius Curse on them. It's not a stretch for her to have learned that Harry was skilled at resisting the Imperius Curse.

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