History Fridge / DoctorWhoS33E13TheNameOfTheDoctor

13th Aug '16 9:34:21 AM Sharlee
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* Thinking back to the Snowmen, [[spoiler: Clara being everywhere at once means that she would have seen Eleven with the Ponds. She saw how much he loved them and how broken he was when they died. She knew that word would provoke a response and get him interested in the universe again. Pond.]] Moffat, you evil genius.

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* Thinking back to the Snowmen, [[spoiler: Victorian-Clara is a splinter of the original Clara being everywhere at once means that she would have Oswald, who's seen enough of Eleven with to know that the Ponds. She saw how much he loved them Ponds were very important to him and how broken he was when they died. She that he'd been traumatized by losing them. At least subconsciously, her splinter knew that word "Pond" would provoke a response and get him interested in the universe again. Pond.again.]] Moffat, you evil genius.



** The Seventh Doctor would have most likely fallen to his death in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS24E4Dragonfire "Dragonfire"]].

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** The Seventh Doctor would have most likely fallen to his death in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS24E4Dragonfire "Dragonfire"]].
22nd Feb '16 1:00:26 PM Discar
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** Retroactively, the above is also, effectively, the mission statement of [[spoiler: the Series 9 finale storyline.]]
22nd Feb '16 6:33:35 AM skidoo23
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** Retroactively, the above is also, effectively, the mission statement of [[spoiler: the Series 9 finale storyline.]]



* Since this episode makes a point of what the Doctor calling himself that means -- the name Doctor being a promise -- the Doctor's growth and development over the course of the series could be equated to him finding out the answer of the "first question" for himself: Doctor ''Who''? What does the name of "the Doctor" really MEAN?

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* Since this episode makes a point of what the Doctor calling himself that means -- the name Doctor being a promise -- the Doctor's growth and development over the course of the series could be equated to him finding out the answer of the "first question" for himself: Doctor ''Who''? What does the name of "the Doctor" really MEAN?MEAN? (This question is actually directly addressed in the 50th anniversary special and throughout the Peter Capaldi era.)




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* Retroactive example: River does not appear to recognize Clara. This is consistent with the fact she first meets [[spoiler: the Twelfth Doctor ''after'' he'd erased most of his memories of Clara.]]
23rd Dec '15 6:32:09 AM Maitena
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* Artron Energy is absorbed by all those who travel through the Time Vortex and has been mentioned as causing some physiological changes. The Doctor mentions he's probably experienced the most time travel of anyone in all of history (which coming from a man who's race made time travel their hat, says something), meaning that because of his long-term exposure, his readings must be off the charts! [[spoiler: Taking all of this into account, no wonder his "body" is a NegativeSpaceWedgie!]].

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* Artron Energy is absorbed by all those who travel through the Time Vortex and has been mentioned as causing some physiological changes. The Doctor mentions he's probably experienced the most time travel of anyone in all of history (which coming from a man who's whose race made time travel their hat, says something), meaning that because of his long-term exposure, his readings must be off the charts! [[spoiler: Taking all of this into account, no wonder his "body" is a NegativeSpaceWedgie!]].
20th Jul '15 6:41:48 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* [[spoiler:Clara traversed the Doctor's entire timeline, but never once saw John Hurt!Doctor.]] While this is initially excused as him [[spoiler:not being a "Doctor"]], it makes sense in light of the Great Intelligence's plan. [[spoiler:He sought to undo all the good the Doctor did, and this Doc did something so evil he lost the name. Naturally, neither Clara or the Great Intelligence are going to wind up focusing on an act of indescribable evil.]]
** More likely, it was because that incarnation of the Doctor was the one involved in the Time War, which is time-locked. Thus Clara didn't have access to this part of the timeline.
** The Great Intelligence may not have had the nerve to try to tackle the Doctor ''on Gallifrey'', which presumably had defenses against tampering with its history even ''before'' the Time Lords went to war against another time-traveling species.

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* [[spoiler:Clara traversed the Doctor's entire timeline, but never once saw John Hurt!Doctor.]] While this is initially excused as him [[spoiler:not being a "Doctor"]], it makes sense in light of the Great Intelligence's plan. [[spoiler:He sought to undo all the good the Doctor did, and this Doc did something so evil he lost the name. Naturally, neither Clara or the Great Intelligence are going to wind up focusing on an act of indescribable evil.]]
** More likely, it was because
]] It's also possible that incarnation of the Doctor was the one involved in the Time War, which is time-locked. Thus Clara didn't have access to this part of the timeline.
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The Great Intelligence may not have had the nerve to try to tackle the Doctor ''on Gallifrey'', which presumably had defenses against tampering with its history even ''before'' the Time Lords went to war against another time-traveling species.



* Why was Oswin able to overcome Dalek programming? [[spoiler: Her need to save the Doctor was so great!]]

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* Why was Oswin able to overcome Dalek programming? [[spoiler: Her need to save the Doctor was so that great!]]
24th Aug '14 10:45:49 AM SharleeD
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** The Great Intelligence may not have had the nerve to try to tackle the Doctor ''on Gallifrey'', which presumably had defenses against tampering with its history even ''before'' the Time Lords went to war against another time-traveling species.
27th Jun '14 9:02:22 AM firejewel
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** The First Doctor would have been murdered while inside the tomb of Yetaxa [[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E6TheAztecs "The Aztecs"]]. Ending his heroic actions long before he could even preform them.
** The Third Doctor would have been caught and killed by The Great Intelligence while out driving Bessie [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors "The Five Doctors"]].
** The Fourth Doctor would have been assassinated on Gallifrey [[Recap/DoctorWhoS15E6TheInvasionOfTime "The Invasion of Time"]]. Thus allowing the planet to fall even before the Great Time War.
** The Fifth Doctor would have most likely remained trapped [[Recap/DoctorWhoS20E1ArcOfInfinity "Arc of Infinity"]]. Leaving no one to stop Omega.
** The Seventh Doctor would have most likely fallen to his death [[Recap/DoctorWhoS24E4Dragonfire "Dragonfire"]].

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** The First Doctor would have been murdered while inside the tomb of Yetaxa in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E6TheAztecs "The Aztecs"]]. Ending his heroic actions long before he could even preform them.
** The Third Doctor would have been caught and killed by The Great Intelligence while out driving Bessie in [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors "The Five Doctors"]].
** The Fourth Doctor would have been assassinated on Gallifrey in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS15E6TheInvasionOfTime "The Invasion of Time"]]. Thus allowing the planet to fall even before the Great Time War.
** The Fifth Doctor would have most likely remained trapped in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS20E1ArcOfInfinity "Arc of Infinity"]]. Leaving no one to stop Omega.
** The Seventh Doctor would have most likely fallen to his death in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS24E4Dragonfire "Dragonfire"]].
27th Jun '14 9:00:58 AM firejewel
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* During "The Pandorica Opens", The Doctor is described as being "soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies." While any incarnation of The Doctor may have blood on his hands, no one would go so far as to say any incarnation we'd seen previously, or their sum total, would equal a billion galaxies. What if that's not hyperbole, but the actions of this disowned Doctor?

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* During "The Pandorica Opens", The Doctor is described as being "soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies." While any incarnation of The Doctor may have blood on his hands, no one would go so far as to say any incarnation we'd seen previously, or their sum total, would equal a billion galaxies. What if that's not hyperbole, but the actions of this disowned Doctor?Doctor?
* Hell the very nature of the Great Intelligence's plan! Anyone who's watched the entire original series run alone should know, undoing all the Doctor's good works throughout time would, as Vastra put it "have dire consequences".
** Just to name a few:
** The First Doctor would have been murdered while inside the tomb of Yetaxa [[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E6TheAztecs "The Aztecs"]]. Ending his heroic actions long before he could even preform them.
** The Third Doctor would have been caught and killed by The Great Intelligence while out driving Bessie [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors "The Five Doctors"]].
** The Fourth Doctor would have been assassinated on Gallifrey [[Recap/DoctorWhoS15E6TheInvasionOfTime "The Invasion of Time"]]. Thus allowing the planet to fall even before the Great Time War.
** The Fifth Doctor would have most likely remained trapped [[Recap/DoctorWhoS20E1ArcOfInfinity "Arc of Infinity"]]. Leaving no one to stop Omega.
** The Seventh Doctor would have most likely fallen to his death [[Recap/DoctorWhoS24E4Dragonfire "Dragonfire"]].
25th Jun '14 6:29:13 AM TheWildWestPyro
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2nd Jun '14 8:20:08 AM StFan
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* Much of the Eleventh Doctor's run makes more sense, now. Going back to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E02TheBeastBelow The Beast Below]], the Doctor saying that if he killed the Star Whale, he'd no longer deserve to hold the name. Just an episode ago, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E12NightmareInSilver in Nightmare in Silver]], the Doctor warns Mr. Clever he could regenerate right now, but doesn't want to, claiming "Who knows what we might get?". [[Recap/DoctorWhoS23E4TheUltimateFoe But he knows exactly what comes between his]] [[ExactWords twelfth and final regenerations]]. The Tenth Doctor's fears regarding his regeneration(s) could also fall under this heading.

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* Much of the Eleventh Doctor's run makes more sense, now. Going back to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E02TheBeastBelow [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E2TheBeastBelow The Beast Below]], the Doctor saying that if he killed the Star Whale, he'd no longer deserve to hold the name. Just an episode ago, [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E12NightmareInSilver in Nightmare in Silver]], the Doctor warns Mr. Clever he could regenerate right now, but doesn't want to, claiming "Who knows what we might get?". [[Recap/DoctorWhoS23E4TheUltimateFoe But he knows exactly what comes between his]] [[ExactWords twelfth and final regenerations]]. The Tenth Doctor's fears regarding his regeneration(s) could also fall under this heading.



* The Doctor's threat to the Vashta Nerada in [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS4E9ForestOfTheDead Forest of the Dead]] is even more prominent if the Library has knowledge of the actions of [[spoiler: Creator/JohnHurt!Doctor]]. If River Song has access to the same Library, of course she would have knowledge of The Doctor's ''entire life'', hence her behavior in this episode.

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* The Doctor's threat to the Vashta Nerada in [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS4E9ForestOfTheDead Forest [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E9ForestOfTheDead "Forest of the Dead]] Dead"]] is even more prominent if the Library has knowledge of the actions of [[spoiler: Creator/JohnHurt!Doctor]].[[spoiler:Creator/JohnHurt!Doctor]]. If River Song has access to the same Library, of course she would have knowledge of The Doctor's ''entire life'', hence her behavior in this episode.



-->'''Reinette:''' Doctor who? It's more than just a secret, isn't it?\\

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-->'''Reinette:''' Doctor who? It's more than just a secret, isn't it?\\it?\\\



* In this episode, it's revealed that River's sacrifice has already happened. We don't know when exactly. But remember how depressed the Doctor was in the Snowmen episode, after losing the Ponds? Maybe it was more than that. Maybe he's also mourning River Song in addition.

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* In this episode, it's revealed that River's sacrifice has already happened. We don't know when exactly. But remember how depressed the Doctor was in the Snowmen "The Snowmen" episode, after losing the Ponds? Maybe it was more than that. Maybe he's also mourning River Song in addition.



* Since this episode makes a point of what the Doctor calling himself that means - the name Doctor being a promise - the Doctor's growth and development over the course of the series could be equated to him finding out the answer of the "first question" for himself: Doctor ''Who''? What does the name of "the Doctor" really MEAN?

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** More likely, it was because that incarnation of the Doctor was the one involved in the Time War, which is time-locked. Thus Clara didn't have access to this part of the timeline.
* Since this episode makes a point of what the Doctor calling himself that means - -- the name Doctor being a promise - -- the Doctor's growth and development over the course of the series could be equated to him finding out the answer of the "first question" for himself: Doctor ''Who''? What does the name of "the Doctor" really MEAN?



* Just before the Master regenerates at the end of [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS3E11Utopia Utopia]], he foreshadows the revelation of this episode's end when he says: "Still, if The Doctor can be young and strong, then so can I.", thus implying the existence of [[spoiler: Creator/JohnHurt's older incarnation of the Doctor]].

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* Just before the Master regenerates at the end of [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS3E11Utopia Utopia]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E11Utopia "Utopia"]], he foreshadows the revelation of this episode's end when he says: "Still, if The Doctor can be young and strong, then so can I.", thus implying the existence of [[spoiler: Creator/JohnHurt's older incarnation of the Doctor]].
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