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* In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E2TheEndOfTheWorld "The End of the World"]], the way Jabe, the plant humanoid, speaks to the Ninth Doctor suggests that he is STILL the last of the Time Lords by the time 5 billion, 2005 AD rolls around. This means one of two things: either a) the Doctor hadn't found Gallifrey till beyond this time frame, or more horrifically b) he had to destroy his homeworld once again. Of course, this may be a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness since it was the second episode of the new series and they may have needed a bit of {{Foreshadowing}} to the WhamLine at the end of the episode.
** Or c) the Time Lords return successfully, but eventually die out or evolve into something else long after the Doctor's career is over. We ''are'' talking about an era billions of years from now, after all; even Rassilon only spoke of ''one'' billion years of Gallifreyan history that preceded the Time War, so there's eons to come in which other things can happen to Gallifrey without the Doctor being the one to blame.
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** Or c) the Time Lords return successfully, but eventually die out or evolve into something else long after the Doctor's career is over. We ''are'' talking about an era billions of years from now, after all; even Rassilon only spoke of ''one'' billion years of Time Lord history before the Time War.

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** Or c) the Time Lords return successfully, but eventually die out or evolve into something else long after the Doctor's career is over. We ''are'' talking about an era billions of years from now, after all; even Rassilon only spoke of ''one'' billion years of Time Lord Gallifreyan history before that preceded the Time War.War, so there's eons to come in which other things can happen to Gallifrey without the Doctor being the one to blame.
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** Or c) the Time Lords return successfully, but eventually die out or evolve into something else long after the Doctor's career is over. We ''are'' talking about an era billions of years from now, after all; even Rassilon only spoke of ''one'' billion years of Time Lord history before the Time War.

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* The Ninth Doctor believed all sides had perished in the Time War, yet the Emperor Dalek (and others) survived the final battle, which shouldn't have been possible. Now we know how: his ship was damaged but not destroyed in the friendly crossfire after Gallifrey vanished, and wasn't burned by the Doctor because ''he didn't do it,'' something Nine couldn't possibly have known. Suddenly the Daleks' apparent JokerImmunity makes far more sense. We also see a single Dalek pod being flung into space by the sheer force of the explosion after the Dalek fleet destroys itself. It's likely that this pod contained one of these Daleks mentioned above, and that the others were similarly scattered survivors flung far apart from each other -- hence how they kept showing up despite the fact that they should all have been dead.
** Moreover, the tactic of making a target vanish so that one's enemies catch each other in the crossfire, circular-firing-squad style, is exactly how the Weeping Angels were defeated in "Blink". Foreshadowing is ''everywhere'' for this one.

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* The Ninth Doctor believed all sides had perished in the Time War, yet the Emperor Dalek (and others) survived the final battle, which shouldn't have been possible. Now we know how: his ship was damaged but not destroyed in the friendly crossfire after Gallifrey vanished, and wasn't burned by the Doctor because ''he didn't do it,'' something Nine couldn't possibly have known. Suddenly the Daleks' apparent JokerImmunity makes far more sense. We also see a single Dalek pod being flung into space by the sheer force of the explosion after the Dalek fleet destroys itself. It's likely that this pod contained one of these Daleks mentioned above, and that the others were similarly scattered survivors flung far apart from each other -- hence how they kept showing up despite the fact that they should all have been dead.
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dead. Moreover, the tactic of making a target vanish so that one's enemies catch each other in the crossfire, circular-firing-squad style, is exactly how the Weeping Angels were defeated in "Blink". Foreshadowing is ''everywhere'' for this one.



** Adding more to the horror, where ''are'' the other Time Lord vessels? Why is a Type 40 museum piece the only active Time Lord vessel defending Gallifrey?
*** It wasn't necessarily the only one defending Gallifrey; it may just have been the only one defending that part of Arcadia.



** There's no reason to assume that the Doctor ''had'' to be involved again, if the Time Lords are absent 5 billion years in the future. That's more than enough time for them to die out, evolve into something else, AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence, or whatever, ''long'' after the Doctor-cum-Curator himself has passed away.



** Well, "Lord of Time" never did imply "Lord of Everything".
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** The size is also a ShoutOut to the classic series control rooms, which tended to be much smaller than the sprawling TVM and new series console rooms

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** The size is also a ShoutOut to the classic series control rooms, which tended to be much smaller than the sprawling TVM and new series console roomsrooms.
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** Well, "Lord of Time" never did imply "Lord of Everything".
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** There's no reason to assume that the Doctor ''had'' to be involved again, if the Time Lords are absent 5 billion years in the future. That's more than enough time for them to die out, evolve into something else, AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence, or whatever, ''long'' after the Doctor-cum-Curator himself has passed away.
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*** It wasn't necessarily the only one defending Gallifrey; it may just have been the only one defending that part of Arcadia.
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* The guard at the Black Archive has been working there ten years but because of the mind-wipe, thinks every day is his first in a new job. Just think about the implications of that... One can only hope The Doctor's actions will lead to a bit of revaluating on that policy. That's is, unless he just demands they change it.

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* The guard at the Black Archive has been working there ten years but because of the mind-wipe, thinks every day is his first in a new job. Just think about the implications of that... One can only hope The Doctor's actions will lead to a bit of revaluating reevaluating on that policy. That's is, unless he just demands they change it. it, or breaks their mind-wiping device himself.
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** Moreover, the tactic of making a target vanish so that one's enemies catch each other in the crossfire, circular-firing-squad style, is exactly how the Weeping Angels were defeated in "Blink". Foreshadowing is ''everywhere'' for this one.
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The Dalek warships are commencing an orbital bombardment of Gallifrey. Why aren\'t there any Time Lord ships defending it? Are they all destroyed?

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** Adding more to the horror, where ''are'' the other Time Lord vessels? Why is a Type 40 museum piece the only active Time Lord vessel defending Gallifrey?
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* The Time Lords were about to lose the Time War to the Daleks. ALL of the Time Lords in all of space & time were called back to Gallifrey to fight, and ALL the Daleks in the universe converged on Gallifrey. If the Doctor hadn't done what he did, we'd be living in a Dalek-controlled universe right now - if we'd be living at all. (Doesn't say much for their "Lord"-ness of Time, does it?)
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* The appearance of an apparent future Doctor near the end (the man played by Tom Baker) does not violate the continuity of the next episode, "Time of the Doctor" in which Eleven assumes he is the final Doctor. That's because a few moments earlier it's confirmed that a past Doctor cannot retain knowledge acquired from a future self. Meaning Eleven likely forgot his encounter with the Curator soon after.
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* Given the trauma the War Doctor experiences (or, at least, thinks he experiences), is it any wonder that in the Doctor Who franchise there are ''three'' Ninth Doctors? There's the Rowan Atkinson spoof version see in ''The Curse of Fatal Death'', the dark, clearly post-war Richard E. Grant version in ''Scream of the Shalka'', and finally Christopher Eccleston's TV version. Some expanded media have suggested that the three versions exist in alternate timelines.
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* Every x0 Anniversary episode has been a multi-doctor story [[note]]barring the 40th in 2003 for which there was no anniversary story, because the show was still on "hiatus" at the time[[/note]], and this one is no different.

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--> "At least I'm not a Dalek."
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* The guard at the Black Archive has been working there ten years but because of the mind-wipe, thinks every day is his first in a new job. Just think about the implications of that...
** One can only hope The Doctor's actions will lead to a bit of revaluating on that policy. That's is, unless he just demands they change it.

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* The guard at the Black Archive has been working there ten years but because of the mind-wipe, thinks every day is his first in a new job. Just think about the implications of that...
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that... One can only hope The Doctor's actions will lead to a bit of revaluating on that policy. That's is, unless he just demands they change it.



** Given how that was - ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang literally]]'' - a universe ago, it might not apply anymore. Most likely it doesn't.

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** Given how that was - ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang literally]]'' - a universe ago, it might not apply anymore. Most likely it doesn't.
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** One can only hope The Doctor's actions will lead to a bit of revaluating on that policy. That's is, unless he just demands they change it.
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* The letter from Queen Elizabeth says that the Doctor pledged to defend "the safety of my kingdom". This explains why the Doctor keeps turning up in Britain in particular. He's not a very good husband, but he does keep his promise. Although at first glance it appears that he wouldn't remember any of this (including the marriage), he does remember marrying her, as he brings it up in [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS4E17E18TheEndOfTime The End of Time]]. He regenerates shortly thereafter, so going back wouldn't have been an option regardless.

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* The letter from Queen Elizabeth says that the Doctor pledged to defend "the safety of my kingdom". This explains why the Doctor keeps turning up in Britain in particular. He's not a very good husband, but he does keep his promise. Although at first glance it appears that he wouldn't remember any of this (including the marriage), he does remember marrying her, as he brings it up in [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS4E17E18TheEndOfTime The [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18TheEndOfTime "The End of Time]].Time"]]. He regenerates shortly thereafter, so going back wouldn't have been an option regardless.



* The big red button that can destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks mirrors the exact the same dilemma faced by the 9th Doctor with using the Delta Wave to destroy the Dalek Emperor and burn the Earth during the events of [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS1E12BadWolf "Bad Wolf"]]. It also looks like a rose. Remind us of anyone?

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* The big red button that can destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks mirrors the exact the same dilemma faced by the 9th Doctor with using the Delta Wave to destroy the Dalek Emperor and burn the Earth during the events of [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS1E12BadWolf [[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E12BadWolf "Bad Wolf"]]. It also looks like a rose. Remind us of anyone?



* In [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS1E2TheEndOfTheWorld "The End of the World"]], the way Jabe, the plant humanoid, speaks to the Ninth Doctor suggests that he is STILL the last of the Time Lords by the time 5 billion, 2005 AD rolls around. This means one of two things: either a) the Doctor hadn't found Gallifrey till beyond this time frame, or more horrifically b) he had to destroy his homeworld once again. Of course, this may be a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness since it was the second episode of the new series and they may have needed a bit of {{Foreshadowing}} to the WhamLine at the end of the episode.

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* In [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS1E2TheEndOfTheWorld [[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E2TheEndOfTheWorld "The End of the World"]], the way Jabe, the plant humanoid, speaks to the Ninth Doctor suggests that he is STILL the last of the Time Lords by the time 5 billion, 2005 AD rolls around. This means one of two things: either a) the Doctor hadn't found Gallifrey till beyond this time frame, or more horrifically b) he had to destroy his homeworld once again. Of course, this may be a case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness since it was the second episode of the new series and they may have needed a bit of {{Foreshadowing}} to the WhamLine at the end of the episode.
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* The Doctor keeps getting younger and younger because the War Doctor was the oldest looking regeneration, and he was thought to commit a terrible genocide. Of course he didn’t want to look that old again, it reminded him of the Time War! It was after he discovered he had saved Gallifrey, that he could regenerate into an older form without feeling an overwhelming sense of guilt!

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* The Ninth Doctor believed all sides had perished in the Time War, yet the Emperor Dalek (and others) survived the final battle, which shouldn't have been possible. Now we know how: his ship was damaged but not destroyed in the friendly crossfire after Gallifrey vanished, and wasn't burned by the Doctor because ''he didn't do it,'' something Nine couldn't possibly have known. Suddenly the Daleks' apparent JokerImmunity makes far more sense.
** We also see a single Dalek pod being flung into space by the sheer force of the explosion after the Dalek fleet destroys itself. It's likely that this pod contained one of these Daleks mentioned above, and that the others were similarly scattered survivors flung far apart from each other -- hence how they kept showing up despite the fact that they should all have been dead.

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* The Ninth Doctor believed all sides had perished in the Time War, yet the Emperor Dalek (and others) survived the final battle, which shouldn't have been possible. Now we know how: his ship was damaged but not destroyed in the friendly crossfire after Gallifrey vanished, and wasn't burned by the Doctor because ''he didn't do it,'' something Nine couldn't possibly have known. Suddenly the Daleks' apparent JokerImmunity makes far more sense.
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sense. We also see a single Dalek pod being flung into space by the sheer force of the explosion after the Dalek fleet destroys itself. It's likely that this pod contained one of these Daleks mentioned above, and that the others were similarly scattered survivors flung far apart from each other -- hence how they kept showing up despite the fact that they should all have been dead.
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** We also see a single Dalek pod being flung into space by the sheer force of the explosion after the Dalek fleet destroys itself. It's likely that this pod contained one of these Daleks mentioned above, and that the others were similarly scattered survivors flung far apart from each other -- hence how they kept showing up despite the fact that they should all have been dead.
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* McGillop seems to be a fairly intelligent and reasonable member of UNIT's science department, and he seems to be GenreSavvy enough to know when Osgood breaks out her inhaler that something's wrong, so his statement that he finds it hard to believe that creatures can break out paintings seems a little odd. Then comes the scene where [[spoiler: the Doctor phones him and tells him to move the "Gallifrey Falls" painting to the Black Archive so he and his other selves can break into the TARDIS-proof base. It could very well be that he was in on the plot the whole time and knew the Doctors would save the day, so his line in the Under Gallery could simply be him ObfuscatingStupidity]].

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* McGillop [=McGillop=] seems to be a fairly intelligent and reasonable member of UNIT's science department, and he seems to be GenreSavvy enough to know when Osgood breaks out her inhaler that something's wrong, so his statement that he finds it hard to believe that creatures can break out paintings seems a little odd. Then comes the scene where [[spoiler: the Doctor phones him and tells him to move the "Gallifrey Falls" painting to the Black Archive so he and his other selves can break into the TARDIS-proof base. It could very well be that he was in on the plot the whole time and knew the Doctors would save the day, so his line in the Under Gallery could simply be him ObfuscatingStupidity]].
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** "[[spoiler: I don't wanna go]]" makes sense even outside of a call back. In "The Day of the Doctor", it was in response to [[spoiler:being told they'd go to Trenzalore, the location of their grave/death]]. In [[spoiler:"The End of Time"]], it was in after [[spoiler:comparing Regeneration to death]]. Why was that his final line in the special? So that "[[spoiler: I don't wanna go]]" is still the [[spoiler:last line we've heard him say in the show.]] There's no argument about what his [[spoiler:last words]] are.

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** "[[spoiler: I "[[spoiler:I don't wanna go]]" makes sense even outside of a call back. In "The Day of the Doctor", it was in response to [[spoiler:being told they'd go to Trenzalore, the location of their grave/death]]. In [[spoiler:"The End of Time"]], it was in after [[spoiler:comparing Regeneration to death]]. Why was that his final line in the special? So that "[[spoiler: I don't wanna go]]" is still the [[spoiler:last line we've heard him say in the show.]] There's no argument about what his [[spoiler:last words]] are.



* The big red button that destroys Gallifrey and the Daleks mirrors the exact the same dilemma faced by the 9th Doctor with using the Delta Wave to destroy the Dalek Emperor and burn the Earth during the events of [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS1E12BadWolf "Bad Wolf"]]. It also looks like a rose. Remind us of anyone?

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* The big red button that destroys can destroy Gallifrey and the Daleks mirrors the exact the same dilemma faced by the 9th Doctor with using the Delta Wave to destroy the Dalek Emperor and burn the Earth during the events of [[Recap/DoctorWhoNSS1E12BadWolf "Bad Wolf"]]. It also looks like a rose. Remind us of anyone?

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* The Omega Vault contains all the most dangerous and forbidden weapons of mass destruction that the Time Lords have come across in their history…[[spoiler: and except for The Moment, ''they have already used them all'']]. "At least I'm not a Dalek." "Who can tell the difference any more?"

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* The Omega Vault contains all the most dangerous and forbidden weapons of mass destruction that the Time Lords have come across in their history…[[spoiler: and except for The Moment, ''they have already used them all'']].
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* The Tenth Doctor's final line, "[[spoiler: I don't wanna go]]" makes sense even outside of a call back. In "The Day of the Doctor", it was in response to [[spoiler:being told they'd go to Trenzalore, the location of their grave/death]]. In [[spoiler:"The End of Time"]], it was in after [[spoiler:comparing Regeneration to death]]. Why was that his final line in the special? So that "[[spoiler: I don't wanna go]]" is still the [[spoiler:last line we've heard him say in the show.]] There's no argument about what his [[spoiler:last words]] are.

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"[[spoiler: I don't wanna go]]" makes sense even outside of a call back. In "The Day of the Doctor", it was in response to [[spoiler:being told they'd go to Trenzalore, the location of their grave/death]]. In [[spoiler:"The End of Time"]], it was in after [[spoiler:comparing Regeneration to death]]. Why was that his final line in the special? So that "[[spoiler: I don't wanna go]]" is still the [[spoiler:last line we've heard him say in the show.]] There's no argument about what his [[spoiler:last words]] are.
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** Also, unlike most incarnations, Ten equated regeneration to death, and he said that line in response to [[spoiler: hearing of his (final) death on Trenzalore]]. Ten knows he has one regeneration left, and considering that this adventure takes place during the 2009 specials (from Ten's point of view), it is entirely possible he thinks the 'He will knock four times' prophecy is referring to [[spoiler: his fate on Trenzalore.]]

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* This one's equal part Fridge Horror; Nine emerged believing he destroyed Gallifrey, because he would only remember himself in the shack with the Moment due to the limitation effect. He probably didn't think too much of being able to remember because in the comic ''The Forgotten'' he mentions that the Moment is made of DeMat technology, which removes the short-term memories of the user. His memory would be distorted even without the paradox.
** On the other hand, there's some Fridge Heartwarming in the revelation that Nine ''did'' learn the truth, at least temporarily, when he participated in the many-Doctor mass calculations to place Gallifrey into stasis. Imagine the grin when he found out what really happened to it!

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* This one's equal part Fridge Horror; Nine emerged believing he destroyed Gallifrey, because he would only remember himself in the shack with the Moment due to the limitation effect. He probably didn't think too much of being able to remember because in the comic ''The Forgotten'' he mentions that the Moment is made of DeMat [=DeMat=] technology, which removes the short-term memories of the user. His memory would be distorted even without the paradox.
** On the other hand, there's some Fridge Heartwarming in the revelation that Nine ''did'' learn the truth, at least temporarily, when he participated in the many-Doctor mass calculations to place Gallifrey into stasis. Imagine the grin when he found out what really happened to it!
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** On the other hand, there's some Fridge Heartwarming in the revelation that Nine ''did'' learn the truth, at least temporarily, when the Moment recruited him to participate in the many-Doctor mass calculations. Imagine the grin when he found out!

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** On the other hand, there's some Fridge Heartwarming in the revelation that Nine ''did'' learn the truth, at least temporarily, when the Moment recruited him to participate he participated in the many-Doctor mass calculations. calculations to place Gallifrey into stasis. Imagine the grin when he found out!out what really happened to it!

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