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21st Aug '16 4:04:18 AM DoPo
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*** Indeed. Same with the anime. In fact, this is ''why'' Kira is even called Kira - it's because people were calling him "killer". Only it's Japanized.
20th Aug '16 11:04:50 AM nngnna
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***your situations are different than light, even if you belive the probability that any kind of hell exist is very low, you are still taking pascal wager. light at first know that a supernatural god of death exist, so it is very [[FlatEarthAtheist irational]] for him to without consideration regect the notion of an afterlife. on the other hand after he told he wouldn't go to hell, unless ryuk simply lies, he KNOWS that his actions whould not have consequences after his death.
22nd Jun '16 3:47:09 PM RuinDunBurnit
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** This troper doesn't consider this a question, at least within the manga. If we consider true that [[spoiler: there is no after-life]] and we apply the question 'why does X exist?' to humans, you will get the same answer as you do when X is shinigami and when X is [[spoiler: the after-life]]: 'mu'. That is, Shinigami exist simply because they exist. Humans exist simply because they exist. [[Spoiler: there is no after-life because there is no after-life]]. The answer is 'mu' because the question is based on the flawed premise that there was a purpose to begin with.

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** This troper doesn't consider this a question, at least within the manga. If we consider true that [[spoiler: there is no after-life]] and we apply the question 'why does X exist?' to humans, you will get the same answer as you do when X is shinigami and when X is [[spoiler: the after-life]]: 'mu'. That is, Shinigami exist simply because they exist. Humans exist simply because they exist. [[Spoiler: there [[spoiler: There is no after-life because there is no after-life]]. The answer is 'mu' because the question is based on the flawed premise that there was a purpose to begin with.
22nd Jun '16 3:45:37 PM RuinDunBurnit
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** This troper doesn't consider this a question, at least within the manga. If we consider true that [[spoiler: there is no after-life]] and we apply the question 'why does X exist?' to humans, you will get the same answer as you do when X is shinigami and when X is [[spoiler: the after-life]]: 'mu'. That is, Shinigami exist simply because they exist. Humans exist simply because they exist. [[Spoiler: there is no after-life because there is no after-life]]. The answer is 'mu' because the question is based on the flawed premise that there was a purpose to begin with.
** In short: Shinigami simply are. Humans simply are. [[spoiler: The after-life simply isn't]]. We ask if the Shinigami ought to have a purpose because we assume that humans ought to have a purpose. You know, just as Light assumes that he has a purpose, just as Mikami assumes everyone has a purpose and deserves to die for wasting theirs.
22nd Jun '16 3:29:51 PM RuinDunBurnit
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\n** This is actually explained in chapter 52: Intuition. L can pilot a helicopter simply because he worked it out. The full quote: "You don't need a license for this. You can pretty much figure it out with intuition. You could do it too, Yagami-kun."

31st May '16 9:07:44 PM Kuruni
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* The ''Relight'' version of the Sakujo scene was all planned out by Light: At first glance it just looks like a {{Gorn}}-fest by Mikami, but there's a CallBack right before where Aizawa asks Light why he keeps checking his watch (suggesting that, unlike in the original series where it was Mikami acting on his own, Light has his hand in this.) Light must have controlled the first guy making use of the 13 day rule, having him join the Anti-Kira faction then during the broadcast collapse and break the glass that was screening the faces of the Anti-Kira people. He also controlled and killed the broadcasters so that the broadcast would keep going. He left the rest to Mikami probably with instructions like "[[MakeAnExampleOfThem get creative, this is a show of Kira's power on Live TV, a demonstration of what happens when they cross me.]]" -- Tropers/{{feral}}.
** The whole idea of writing people's names in a book to kill them might sound strange, until you consider that "gami" could also be used for a kanji that means "Paper" (like origami).



* This editor has had nothing but a twisted love for ''Manga/DeathNote'', but thought of it merely as a victory when Light [[spoiler: finally kills L]]. He didn't realize the sheer [[MagnificentBastard magnificence]] of it until he mentally recapped the situation. Light manipulates a ''God of Death'' who absolutely hates him into [[spoiler:willingly sacrificing itself to kill the one man (at the time) capable of stopping him,]] knowing all along that it was doing exactly what he wanted and [[spoiler:''cursing his name as it dissolves into dust''.]] I hate you, Light, but ''I love you''. --Tropers/{{Socran}}
** Not really the anime version, but they wouldn't really fit as well elsewhere. 1) My sister was playing with the {{DVD}}s of the movies and asked about the title of the second when it suddenly clicked. The title, The Last Name, doesn't just refer to Light's search for L's real name [[spoiler: which as it turns out is only a search for a last name. It also refers to the fact that despite everything Light does, in the end it's all pointless as the last name written in the death note is his.]] 2) I was always annoyed at the end of ''LightNovel/AnotherNote'' when Naomi finally meets [[spoiler: L and he introduces himself as Ryuzaki. It seemed like a stupid, dangerous stunt to prove that he was the real L, something which she was never supposed to realize, and that he was only using the name to gain her trust. But then I realized: it's a trophy. After beating Danuve and Eraldo Coil, L started using their names as aliases. B didn't just fail to surpass L, he was relegated to being just another conquest. If things had been a little different, L could have been known as Light Yagami instead of the other way around.]] -- Tropers/PollyNim
*** I always interpreted the "last name" as [[spoiler:the last name in the death note]], and didn't realize this until he read the example. It also helps that he saw a fan trailer that used footage from the anime's Yotsuba arc that posed the question [[spoiler: Light, L, Misa- Who will be the last name in the death note]]? -- Tropers/{{Rampulus}}
*** Not knowing Japanese, I did not know until after I had finished the series that Kira also meant dark.
** KIRA; more, really, kira-kira, is an onomatopoeia for 'sparkly'.
*** Bedazzle your enemies.
** Currently watching ''Manga/DeathNote'' on Creator/AdultSwim (after having already read the manga a few years ago) I've been struck by how odd it is that Light's [[spoiler: personality changes so drastically]] during the time that he [[spoiler: forfeits ownership of the Death Note]]. Maybe I just have a different (more cynical) worldview now, but it seems unlikely that someone could do the kind of things he does without being pretty twisted to begin with. But then I realized that the purpose of this arc could be seen as demonstrating that even someone who is perceived as "evil" can have good in them or the genuine desire to do good - which even FURTHER supports the case that Kira's ideology is WRONG. - Tropers/{{Ikari 911}}
*** I took it as something along the lines that the Death Note corrupted Light, who was essentially a good person to begin with. Once the means to do evil in the name of good were with him, he slipped into evil, and the only way that he became good again was by [[spoiler: losing all memory of what had caused his fall into evil]]. Once he [[spoiler: got the Death Note back]], he was evil again, even though he shouldn't have [[spoiler: lost the memories from after he had first lost his memory]]. In this sense, it actually justifies "Kira's ideology", since it shows that those who become evil become irredeemably so.
*** So that's why Light-as-Kira is a SocialDarwinist with a God complex and a need to kill opposition (what he did with Lind L. Taylor, no matter how idiotic he was about it). If he doesn't keep himself steady, somebody can do something about thinking he's doing evil, and then ''he'' would get punished and there goes his plans. In this sense and various other senses, Kira's ideology is a threat to ''itself'', also justifying ItGetsEasier. ([[spoiler:Takada's death]], anybody?)
** The Yotsuba arc is actually proof 100% that despite all his protestation to the contrary while he possesses it, it was in fact the death note itself that drove Light to the dark side. He in fact proves himself to be more good than L during that period of time, managing to delay some killings where L was perfectly willing to allow them to continue to gather proof. He demonstrates amazing responsibility with any amount of power less than godlike. Misa, on the other hand, has no qualms about asking Rem to kill an innocent man to "prove she's the second Kira" just to take Higuchi down, even without possession.
** I got a completely different fridgestroke from that, after [[spoiler: Light reverts completely and remorselessly to his prior self upon recovering his memory]]. If you're paying attention, [[spoiler: he spent the Yotsuba arc acting just like he had in the first chapter - the chapter he started with a thought bubble full of "This world is a mess"]]. [[KnightTemplar He *always* had the desire to do something good]]; Light-as-Kira was raw, righteous, rampaging [[UsefulNotes/IdSuperegoAndEgo superego]], and the god complex was an attempt at justifying the whole thing to his [[UsefulNotes/IdSuperegoAndEgo id]]. [[Literature/{{Discworld}} If someone else has you in his power, pray that he is an evil man.]] - Tropers/{{Tinweasel}}
** Another one for ''Manga/DeathNote''. When L is first seen stalking Light in person, at the high-school graduation exams, he is told to sit normally by the examiner. Later on, L explains his strange sitting position by saying that sitting normally would cause his reasoning ability to drop 40%. I became an even bigger L-fan when he realized L scored perfect marks in the exams, at 60% of his intelligence. -- Tropers/{{Lostprophet}}
** Don't put too much weight on this math. L is a liar; it's just as likely that he sits that way solely because it's the way he likes to sit, and he makes the "reasoning" excuse because people hassle him about it. He uses essentially the same excuse for eating too much sugar, and WordOfGod is that any percentages he rattles off are almost completely meaningless. -- Tropers/{{Eru-dition}}
*** The WordOfGod about percentage meanings was in context of his suspicion percentages, not those, though.
*** Note, though, that L throws out his bogus percentages in his inner monologues - when they are thought to himself rather than spoken. If we take into account that he lies with his suspicion percentages and has considered that Kira kills through supernatural means, then this must mean that L operates here under the suspecion that Kira himself is a telepath. It's not true, but worth it when you think about it. -- Tropers/{{RuinSuzuki}}
*** Also, it kind of makes sense that his reasoning skills would drop, ''because'' he eats so much sugar. Any normal person would crash, but as L is constantly eating sugar and constantly squatting--which burns more energy than sitting--he just keeps using the energy. Sitting down would cause his metabolism to slow.
*** Sugar doesn't increase one's metabolism, and L switching from squatting to sitting (and for such a short duration at that) would have such a negligible effect on his metabolism that it wouldn't affect his reasoning at all.
** I loved ''Manga/DeathNote'', but always found [[spoiler: Light's method of dealing with Ray Penber]] unnecessarily risky. I interpreted it as yet another sign that Light was an arrogant brat trying to play MagnificentBastard and coasting through on his intelligence despite his obvious flaws and unnecessary grandstanding. It wasn't until I watched it for the third time, marvelling at the risk Light was taking, when I realised that [[spoiler: Light had probably written every one of Ray's actions in that scene into the Death Note as part of his conditions of kill.]] No risk at all; even on the unlikely chance that Light had miscalculated something that would ruin the plan, his quarry would have already been dead. Plus one hundred MagnificentBastard points for Light!
*** Something that hit me about that scene: not only did Light learn the name of his pursuer, he also accomplished another important goal: seeing if the Death Note could manipulate a Shingami into being part of its scenario. And the answer was yes!
** [[spoiler:Light not expecting Mikami to try to kill Takada]] seemed like an AssPull screwing up [[spoiler:how Light loses]]. But [[spoiler:what if Light realized that killing Takada was such a horrible thing that while he, [[ItGetsEasier already having gone so wrong]], still wouldn't be phased by it, he would hardly expect even Mikami, loyal as he is, to even think of killing Takada, a fellow Kira loyalist, without getting orders? Perhaps Light wanted to believe what he was doing was [[KnightTemplar even remotely good]], to the point of bragging during his VillainousBreakdown about how Kira reduced crime rates by 70% and eliminated war, even if he himself ''as Kira'' subtly admitted to the Task Force that he was being evil.]]
* I always assumed Takada's bodyguards only [[spoiler: killed Matt]] because it would make them seem ruthless as an example of how Kira's followers can be. However, after many repeat viewings of the anime, I noticed [[http://i53.tinypic.com/4t0y1e.png this frame]] for the first time. [[spoiler: They killed him because he was hiding a gun!]] - Tropers/SonicPanther
** They didn't seem to know that, by their dialogue. It does show, though, [[spoiler: that Matt was stalling so he could take a few of them down with him. Suddenly, that makes his popularity much more warranted in my eyes.]]
** Although if they wanted to [[spoiler: kill Matt just for assisting in Takada's kidnapping]] they would have shot [[spoiler: him]] immediately.
* Soichiro, who was 54, dies soon after making a deal that cut his lifespan.
** It cut their remaining lifespan. Soichiro died shortly after making the deal (a couple of days, I think?) so he didn't have long. Misa got Gelus' reamining years added to her lifespan when he died, so she could have lived for hundreds of years, in theory.
** You fail to remember that the user of a Death Note has their lifespan inherently shortened. If Soichiro had never dealt with shimigami, his lifespan would have been inherently longer. By how much is uncertain.

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* This editor has had nothing but a twisted love for ''Manga/DeathNote'', but thought of it merely as a victory when Light [[spoiler: finally kills L]]. He didn't realize the sheer [[MagnificentBastard magnificence]] of it until he mentally recapped the situation. Light manipulates a ''God of Death'' who absolutely hates him into [[spoiler:willingly sacrificing itself to kill the one man (at the time) capable of stopping him,]] knowing all along that it was doing exactly what he wanted and [[spoiler:''cursing his name as it dissolves into dust''.]] I hate you, Light, but ''I love you''. --Tropers/{{Socran}}
** Not really the anime version, but they wouldn't really fit as well elsewhere. 1) My sister was playing with the {{DVD}}s of the movies and asked about the title of the second when it suddenly clicked. The title, The Last Name, doesn't just refer to Light's search for L's real name [[spoiler: which as it turns out is only a search for a last name. It also refers to the fact that despite everything Light does, in the end it's all pointless as the last name written in the death note is his.]] 2) I was always annoyed at the end of ''LightNovel/AnotherNote'' when Naomi finally meets [[spoiler: L and he introduces himself as Ryuzaki. It seemed like a stupid, dangerous stunt to prove that he was the real L, something which she was never supposed to realize, and that he was only using the name to gain her trust. But then I realized: it's a trophy. After beating Danuve and Eraldo Coil, L started using their names as aliases. B didn't just fail to surpass L, he was relegated to being just another conquest. If things had been a little different, L could have been known as Light Yagami instead of the other way around.]] -- Tropers/PollyNim
*** I always interpreted the "last name" as [[spoiler:the last name in the death note]], and didn't realize this until he read the example. It also helps that he saw a fan trailer that used footage from the anime's Yotsuba arc that posed the question [[spoiler: Light, L, Misa- Who will be the last name in the death note]]? -- Tropers/{{Rampulus}}
*** Not knowing Japanese, I did not know until after I had finished the series that Kira also meant dark.
** KIRA; more, really, kira-kira, is an onomatopoeia for 'sparkly'.
*** Bedazzle your enemies.
** Currently watching ''Manga/DeathNote'' on Creator/AdultSwim (after having already read the manga a few years ago) I've been struck by how odd it is that Light's [[spoiler: personality changes so drastically]] during the time that he [[spoiler: forfeits ownership of the Death Note]]. Maybe I just have a different (more cynical) worldview now, but it seems unlikely that someone could do the kind of things he does without being pretty twisted to begin with. But then I realized that the purpose of this arc could be seen as demonstrating that even someone who is perceived as "evil" can have good in them or the genuine desire to do good - which even FURTHER supports the case that Kira's ideology is WRONG. - Tropers/{{Ikari 911}}
*** I took it as something along the lines that the Death Note corrupted Light, who was essentially a good person to begin with. Once the means to do evil in the name of good were with him, he slipped into evil, and the only way that he became good again was by [[spoiler: losing all memory of what had caused his fall into evil]]. Once he [[spoiler: got the Death Note back]], he was evil again, even though he shouldn't have [[spoiler: lost the memories from after he had first lost his memory]]. In this sense, it actually justifies "Kira's ideology", since it shows that those who become evil become irredeemably so.
*** So that's why Light-as-Kira is a SocialDarwinist with a God complex and a need to kill opposition (what he did with Lind L. Taylor, no matter how idiotic he was about it). If he doesn't keep himself steady, somebody can do something about thinking he's doing evil, and then ''he'' would get punished and there goes his plans. In this sense and various other senses, Kira's ideology is a threat to ''itself'', also justifying ItGetsEasier. ([[spoiler:Takada's death]], anybody?)
** The Yotsuba arc is actually proof 100% that despite all his protestation to the contrary while he possesses it, it was in fact the death note itself that drove Light to the dark side. He in fact proves himself to be more good than L during that period of time, managing to delay some killings where L was perfectly willing to allow them to continue to gather proof. He demonstrates amazing responsibility with any amount of power less than godlike. Misa, on the other hand, has no qualms about asking Rem to kill an innocent man to "prove she's the second Kira" just to take Higuchi down, even without possession.
** I got a completely different fridgestroke from that, after [[spoiler: Light reverts completely and remorselessly to his prior self upon recovering his memory]]. If you're paying attention, [[spoiler: he spent the Yotsuba arc acting just like he had in the first chapter - the chapter he started with a thought bubble full of "This world is a mess"]]. [[KnightTemplar He *always* had the desire to do something good]]; Light-as-Kira was raw, righteous, rampaging [[UsefulNotes/IdSuperegoAndEgo superego]], and the god complex was an attempt at justifying the whole thing to his [[UsefulNotes/IdSuperegoAndEgo id]]. [[Literature/{{Discworld}} If someone else has you in his power, pray that he is an evil man.]] - Tropers/{{Tinweasel}}
** Another one for ''Manga/DeathNote''. When L is first seen stalking Light in person, at the high-school graduation exams, he is told to sit normally by the examiner. Later on, L explains his strange sitting position by saying that sitting normally would cause his reasoning ability to drop 40%. I became an even bigger L-fan when he realized L scored perfect marks in the exams, at 60% of his intelligence. -- Tropers/{{Lostprophet}}
** Don't put too much weight on this math. L is a liar; it's just as likely that he sits that way solely because it's the way he likes to sit, and he makes the "reasoning" excuse because people hassle him about it. He uses essentially the same excuse for eating too much sugar, and WordOfGod is that any percentages he rattles off are almost completely meaningless. -- Tropers/{{Eru-dition}}
*** The WordOfGod about percentage meanings was in context of his suspicion percentages, not those, though.
*** Note, though, that L throws out his bogus percentages in his inner monologues - when they are thought to himself rather than spoken. If we take into account that he lies with his suspicion percentages and has considered that Kira kills through supernatural means, then this must mean that L operates here under the suspecion that Kira himself is a telepath. It's not true, but worth it when you think about it. -- Tropers/{{RuinSuzuki}}
*** Also, it kind of makes sense that his reasoning skills would drop, ''because'' he eats so much sugar. Any normal person would crash, but as L is constantly eating sugar and constantly squatting--which burns more energy than sitting--he just keeps using the energy. Sitting down would cause his metabolism to slow.
*** Sugar doesn't increase one's metabolism, and L switching from squatting to sitting (and for such a short duration at that) would have such a negligible effect on his metabolism that it wouldn't affect his reasoning at all.
** I loved ''Manga/DeathNote'', but always found [[spoiler: Light's method of dealing with Ray Penber]] unnecessarily risky. I interpreted it as yet another sign that Light was an arrogant brat trying to play MagnificentBastard and coasting through on his intelligence despite his obvious flaws and unnecessary grandstanding. It wasn't until I watched it for the third time, marvelling at the risk Light was taking, when I realised that [[spoiler: Light had probably written every one of Ray's actions in that scene into the Death Note as part of his conditions of kill.]] No risk at all; even on the unlikely chance that Light had miscalculated something that would ruin the plan, his quarry would have already been dead. Plus one hundred MagnificentBastard points for Light!
*** Something that hit me about that scene: not only did Light learn the name of his pursuer, he also accomplished another important goal: seeing if the Death Note could manipulate a Shingami into being part of its scenario. And the answer was yes!
** [[spoiler:Light not expecting Mikami to try to kill Takada]] seemed like an AssPull screwing up [[spoiler:how Light loses]]. But [[spoiler:what if Light realized that killing Takada was such a horrible thing that while he, [[ItGetsEasier already having gone so wrong]], still wouldn't be phased by it, he would hardly expect even Mikami, loyal as he is, to even think of killing Takada, a fellow Kira loyalist, without getting orders? Perhaps Light wanted to believe what he was doing was [[KnightTemplar even remotely good]], to the point of bragging during his VillainousBreakdown about how Kira reduced crime rates by 70% and eliminated war, even if he himself ''as Kira'' subtly admitted to the Task Force that he was being evil.]]
* I always assumed Takada's bodyguards only [[spoiler: killed Matt]] because it would make them seem ruthless as an example of how Kira's followers can be. However, after many repeat viewings of the anime, I noticed [[http://i53.tinypic.com/4t0y1e.png this frame]] for the first time. [[spoiler: They killed him because he was hiding a gun!]] - Tropers/SonicPanther
** They didn't seem to know that, by their dialogue. It does show, though, [[spoiler: that Matt was stalling so he could take a few of them down with him. Suddenly, that makes his popularity much more warranted in my eyes.]]
** Although if they wanted to [[spoiler: kill Matt just for assisting in Takada's kidnapping]] they would have shot [[spoiler: him]] immediately.
* Soichiro, who was 54, dies soon after making a deal that cut his lifespan.
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lifespan. It cut their remaining lifespan. Soichiro died shortly after making the deal (a couple of days, I think?) so he didn't have long. Misa got Gelus' reamining years added to her lifespan when he died, so she could have lived for hundreds of years, in theory.
** You fail to remember that the user of a Death Note has their lifespan inherently shortened. If Soichiro had never dealt with shimigami, his lifespan would have been inherently longer. By how much is uncertain.
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* What I never got was the fact that DN {{shinigami}} seem to be portrayed differently then in any other anime and, presumably, Japanese mythology. Then I read something that the Death Note was based upon an aspect of the shinigami, where they carried around notebooks to keep track of all of the deaths. Then it came to me: Death Note shinigami are ''meant'' to be twisted versions of the familiar! That's why they all look monstrous, whereas other shinigami look like humans in kimonos. - Tropers/{{Stinkoman87}}



** I mean looking at how their respective names are spelled, side by each. Read it aloud: Yagami Raito, Mikami Teru. Also Light's given name is written with the kanji for moon, and Teru is illuminate.
*** Still makes no sense. ''Do you mean the Japanese characters, or the transliteration?''
*** I've always seen Teru's name as sort of a pun on "Mii" (Me in gratuitous English) and "Kami" (As God, though I don't know what the actual Kanji in his name is). Loosely, "My God", what he considers Light.
*** "Mi" in Japanese can mean "to see"; so Mikami could also reference when he was acting as Light's, or "God's" eyes.
2nd May '16 5:55:22 PM angelphil
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** Another one for ''Manga/DeathNote''. When L is first seen stalking Light in person, at the high-school graduation exams, he is told to sit normally by the examiner. Later on, L explains his strange sitting position by saying that sitting normally would cause his reasoning ability to drop %40. I became an even bigger L-fan when he realized L scored perfect marks in the exams, at %60 of his intelligence. -- Tropers/{{Lostprophet}}

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** Another one for ''Manga/DeathNote''. When L is first seen stalking Light in person, at the high-school graduation exams, he is told to sit normally by the examiner. Later on, L explains his strange sitting position by saying that sitting normally would cause his reasoning ability to drop %40. 40%. I became an even bigger L-fan when he realized L scored perfect marks in the exams, at %60 60% of his intelligence. -- Tropers/{{Lostprophet}}
24th Feb '16 10:44:19 PM mysterykcad
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** Considering how many other people also die in ''Manga/DeathNote'', it's probably just a coincidence.
24th Feb '16 10:02:15 PM mysterykcad
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** No. Their names are spelled very, ''very'', '''''very''''' differently. L's name would be written in English, while Light's would be written in kanji, making it almost impossible that he'd confuse the two. Even if, for the sake of argument, Light's name was written in English, Light spent months controlling every move he makes to keep L's suspicion off of him. There's no way he'd suddenly lose enough self-control to make that kind of mistake.
23rd Feb '16 2:46:51 PM MsChibi
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*** What about a transgender individual?
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