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26th Jul '17 12:52:01 PM Manny20444
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* Per Word of God Ultimate Ben 10,000 is no longer Ben's future and original Ben 10,000 featured the Original Series as well as ''Omniverse'' is Ben's future that is canon again. That's good and all, until one remembers what that implies. The Omniverse Ben ''is'' going to mutilate Vilgax into pieces, ''is'' going to loose the joy of being a hero for about a decade, ''is'' going to isolate himself away from Gwen and Max, and Kevin ''is'' going to have severe relapse issues. [[SarcasmMode Thanks Wyatt, that is so much better]].

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* Per Word of God Ultimate Ben 10,000 is no longer Ben's future and original Ben 10,000 featured in the Original Series as well as ''Omniverse'' is Ben's future that is canon again. That's good and all, until one remembers what that implies. The Omniverse Ben ''is'' going to mutilate Vilgax into pieces, ''is'' going to loose the joy of being a hero for about a decade, ''is'' going to isolate himself away from Gwen and Max, and Kevin ''is'' going to have severe relapse issues. [[SarcasmMode Thanks Wyatt, that is so much better]].
26th Jul '17 12:50:02 PM Manny20444
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* Per Word of God Ultimate Ben 10,000 is no longer Ben's future and original Ben 10,000 featured the Original Series as well as ''Omniverse'' is the canon future again. That's good and all, until one remembers what that implies. The Omniverse Ben ''is'' going to mutilate Vilgax into pieces, ''is'' going to loose the joy of being a hero for about a decade, ''is'' going to isolate himself away from Gwen and Max, and Kevin ''is'' going to have severe relapse issues. [[SarcasmMode Thanks Wyatt, that is so much better]].

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* Per Word of God Ultimate Ben 10,000 is no longer Ben's future and original Ben 10,000 featured the Original Series as well as ''Omniverse'' is the canon Ben's future that is canon again. That's good and all, until one remembers what that implies. The Omniverse Ben ''is'' going to mutilate Vilgax into pieces, ''is'' going to loose the joy of being a hero for about a decade, ''is'' going to isolate himself away from Gwen and Max, and Kevin ''is'' going to have severe relapse issues. [[SarcasmMode Thanks Wyatt, that is so much better]].
26th Jul '17 12:34:09 PM Manny20444
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* Per Word of God Ultimate Ben 10,000 is no longer Ben's future and Ben 10,000 is the canon one again. That's good and all, until one remembers what that implies. The Omniverse Ben ''is'' going to mutilate Vilgax into pieces, ''is'' going to loose the joy of being a hero for about a decade, ''is'' going to isolate himself away from Gwen and Max, and Kevin ''is'' going to have severe relapse issues. [[SarcasmMode Thanks Wyatt, that is so much better]].

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* Per Word of God Ultimate Ben 10,000 is no longer Ben's future and original Ben 10,000 featured the Original Series as well as ''Omniverse'' is the canon one future again. That's good and all, until one remembers what that implies. The Omniverse Ben ''is'' going to mutilate Vilgax into pieces, ''is'' going to loose the joy of being a hero for about a decade, ''is'' going to isolate himself away from Gwen and Max, and Kevin ''is'' going to have severe relapse issues. [[SarcasmMode Thanks Wyatt, that is so much better]].
27th May '17 2:47:17 PM Scsigs
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** The way ''I'' see it, the futures seen in the Ben 10 shows are ''always'' in a state of flux as to which future is Ben's true future. When we see the first Ben 10,000 in the original series, he didn't remember doing the same thing when ''he'' was 10. This establishes that Ben's future was already changed when older Gwen brought him & 10-year-old Gwen to her future where Ben turned into who he did, thus it's based on the trajectory he was on at that moment and he changed, then it was changed after he saw it, making it an alternate timeline. When we see the second depiction of Ben 10,000, it's established he's a different version. Similar, but very different. When 16-year-old Ben came into contact with this one, while that Ben 10,000 remembered the events of the episode, and presumably some more of the adventures that came to pass afterwards in ''Ultimate Alien'', when it came to the end of the series, the timeline shifted again due to Ben gaining the new Omnitrix. The future we saw in UA was true at the time, but it became alternate at that point. The Ben 10,000 we see in ''Omniverse'' is ''clearly'' a different one than in the original series, and I ''really'' wish that the Ben 10 Wiki people would make the distinction. This new Ben 10,000 is influenced by the events of Omniverse and is very similar to the original series' depiction, but isn't exact. This is how I see these 3 depictions of Ben 10,000. This is helped by the fact that they have different voice actors in each series. In the OS, he's voiced by Fred Tatasciore, in UA, he's voiced by Sean Donnellan, and in ''Omniverse'' by Judd Nelson. Omniverse's Ben 10,000 future is also depicted with broad strokes in regards to being the one from the original series. The episode with Kenny was already declassified as canon by Man of Action, Ben 10K's personality is more jokey like Omniverse's Ben rather than more serious like originally depicted, he has the Biomnitrix (what's the point other than new toys or visuals in episodes by the way?) instead of the upgraded Omnitrix, Kenny's not being trained to be a hero, Kevin's still reformed rather than being evil and in the null void, he's still in a relationship with Gwen in the future, Devlin's nowhere to be found, Argit's in the future, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's either contradictory, or not explained. The designs of everything is just fanservice that doesn't make sense. Has it been mentioned that Derrick J. Wyatt has a hard-on for the original series so large, he retconned things from AF and UA and didn't bother to explain their disappearances other than that he hated them? Seriously, that's why I take most things in ''Omniverse'' with a grain of salt.

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** The way ''I'' see it, the futures seen in the Ben 10 shows are ''always'' in a state of flux as to which future is Ben's true future. When we see the first Ben 10,000 in the original series, he didn't remember doing the same thing when ''he'' was 10. This establishes that Ben's future was already changed when older Gwen brought him & 10-year-old Gwen to her future where Ben turned into who he did, thus it's based on the trajectory he was on at that moment and he changed, then it was changed after he saw it, making it an alternate timeline. When we see the second depiction of Ben 10,000, it's established he's a different version. Similar, but very different. When 16-year-old Ben came into contact with this one, while that Ben 10,000 remembered the events of the episode, and presumably some more of the adventures that came to pass afterwards in ''Ultimate Alien'', when it came to the end of the series, the timeline shifted again due to Ben gaining the new Omnitrix. The future we saw in UA was true at the time, but it became alternate at that point. The Ben 10,000 we see in ''Omniverse'' is ''clearly'' a different one than in the original series, and I ''really'' wish that the Ben 10 Wiki people would make the distinction. This new Ben 10,000 is influenced by the events of Omniverse and is very similar to the original series' depiction, but isn't exact. This is how I see these 3 depictions of Ben 10,000. This is helped by the fact that they have different voice actors in each series. In the OS, he's voiced by Fred Tatasciore, in UA, he's voiced by Sean Donnellan, and in ''Omniverse'' by Judd Nelson. Omniverse's Ben 10,000 future is also depicted with broad strokes in regards to being the one from the original series. The episode with Kenny was already declassified as canon by Man of Action, Ben 10K's personality is more jokey like Omniverse's Ben rather than more serious like originally depicted, he has the Biomnitrix (what's the point other than new toys or visuals in episodes by the way?) instead of the upgraded Omnitrix, Kenny's not being trained to be a hero, Kevin's still reformed rather than being evil and in the null void, he's still in a relationship with Gwen in the future, Devlin's nowhere to be found, Argit's in the future, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's either contradictory, or not explained. The designs of everything is just fanservice that doesn't make sense. I get that Ben would look the way he does, maybe Gwen, but ''why'' in the hell does Kevin still have the design from "Ken 10"? It doesn't make sense. Has it been mentioned that Derrick J. Wyatt has a hard-on for the original series so large, he retconned things from AF and UA and didn't bother to explain their disappearances other than that he hated them? Seriously, that's why I take most things in ''Omniverse'' with a grain of salt.
27th May '17 2:40:40 PM Scsigs
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** The way ''I'' see it, the futures seen in the Ben 10 shows are ''always'' in a state of flux as to which future is Ben's true future. When we see the first Ben 10,000 in the original series, he didn't remember doing the same thing when ''he'' was 10. This establishes that Ben's future was already changed when older Gwen brought him & 10-year-old Gwen to her future where Ben turned into who he did, thus it's based on the trajectory he was on at that moment and he changed, then it was changed after he saw it, making it an alternate timeline. When we see the second depiction of Ben 10,000, it's established he's a different version. Similar, but very different. When 16-year-old Ben came into contact with this one, while that Ben 10,000 remembered the events of the episode, and presumably some more of the adventures that came to pass afterwards in ''Ultimate Alien'', but when it came to the end of the series, the timeline shifted again due to Ben gaining the new Omnitrix. The future we saw in UA was true at the time, but it became alternate at that point. The Ben 10,000 we see in ''Omniverse'' is ''clearly'' a different one than in the original series, and I ''really'' wish that the Ben 10 Wiki people would make the distinction. This new Ben 10,000 is influenced by the events of Omniverse and is very similar to the original series' depiction, but isn't exact. This is how I see these 3 depictions of Ben 10,000. This is helped by the fact that they have different voice actors in each series. In the OS, he's voiced by Fred Tatasciore, in UA, he's voiced by Sean Donnellan, and in ''Omniverse'' by Judd Nelson. Omniverse's Ben 10,000 future is also depicted with broad strokes in regards to being the one from the original series. The episode with Kenny was already declassified as canon by Man of Action, Ben 10K's personality is more jokey like Omniverse's Ben rather than more serious like originally depicted, he has the Biomnitrix (what's the point other than new toys or visuals in episodes by the way?) instead of the upgraded Omnitrix, Kenny's not being trained to be a hero, Kevin's still reformed rather than being evil and in the null void, he's still in a relationship with Gwen in the future, Devlin's nowhere to be found, Argit's in the future, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's either contradictory, or not explained. The designs of everything is just fanservice that doesn't make sense. Has it been mentioned that Derrick J. Wyatt has a hard-on for the original series so large, he retconned things from AF and UA and didn't bother to explain their disappearances other than that he hated them? Seriously, that's why I take most things in ''Omniverse'' with a grain of salt.

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** The way ''I'' see it, the futures seen in the Ben 10 shows are ''always'' in a state of flux as to which future is Ben's true future. When we see the first Ben 10,000 in the original series, he didn't remember doing the same thing when ''he'' was 10. This establishes that Ben's future was already changed when older Gwen brought him & 10-year-old Gwen to her future where Ben turned into who he did, thus it's based on the trajectory he was on at that moment and he changed, then it was changed after he saw it, making it an alternate timeline. When we see the second depiction of Ben 10,000, it's established he's a different version. Similar, but very different. When 16-year-old Ben came into contact with this one, while that Ben 10,000 remembered the events of the episode, and presumably some more of the adventures that came to pass afterwards in ''Ultimate Alien'', but when it came to the end of the series, the timeline shifted again due to Ben gaining the new Omnitrix. The future we saw in UA was true at the time, but it became alternate at that point. The Ben 10,000 we see in ''Omniverse'' is ''clearly'' a different one than in the original series, and I ''really'' wish that the Ben 10 Wiki people would make the distinction. This new Ben 10,000 is influenced by the events of Omniverse and is very similar to the original series' depiction, but isn't exact. This is how I see these 3 depictions of Ben 10,000. This is helped by the fact that they have different voice actors in each series. In the OS, he's voiced by Fred Tatasciore, in UA, he's voiced by Sean Donnellan, and in ''Omniverse'' by Judd Nelson. Omniverse's Ben 10,000 future is also depicted with broad strokes in regards to being the one from the original series. The episode with Kenny was already declassified as canon by Man of Action, Ben 10K's personality is more jokey like Omniverse's Ben rather than more serious like originally depicted, he has the Biomnitrix (what's the point other than new toys or visuals in episodes by the way?) instead of the upgraded Omnitrix, Kenny's not being trained to be a hero, Kevin's still reformed rather than being evil and in the null void, he's still in a relationship with Gwen in the future, Devlin's nowhere to be found, Argit's in the future, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's either contradictory, or not explained. The designs of everything is just fanservice that doesn't make sense. Has it been mentioned that Derrick J. Wyatt has a hard-on for the original series so large, he retconned things from AF and UA and didn't bother to explain their disappearances other than that he hated them? Seriously, that's why I take most things in ''Omniverse'' with a grain of salt.
27th May '17 2:36:26 PM Scsigs
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*** That, and about Billy knowing that Ben could turn into aliens? Not a case of continuity error, as it's pretty much shown that, although having an ego that size of his head, Billy is fairly smart. And stalkerish, considering he was on a helicopter watching for Ben. So him figuring out that Ben could transform considering how much Ben ''likes'' "going hero" isn't very hard to believe. And Billy not telling anyone is also obvious, seeing as how he wouldn't want to make Ben even 'more' popular than he percieves him to be.

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*** That, and about Billy knowing that Ben could turn into aliens? Not a case of continuity error, as it's pretty much shown that, although having an ego that size of his head, Billy is fairly smart. And stalkerish, considering he was on a helicopter watching for Ben. So him figuring out that Ben could transform considering how much Ben ''likes'' "going hero" isn't very hard to believe. And Billy not telling anyone is also obvious, seeing as how he wouldn't want to make Ben even 'more' popular than he percieves perceives him to be.



* In ''Omniverse'', Ben has been turning into the wrong alien quite a few times. Derrick says that these transformations are entirely Ben's fault. This makes little sense when you realize that this bareley happened in ''Alien Force''-until you realize that in ''Alien Force'' he was dealing with all new aliens as opposed to his old ones with a new look. He simply doesn't recognize his old aliens with the newer Omnitrix.

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* In ''Omniverse'', Ben has been turning into the wrong alien quite a few times. Derrick says that these transformations are entirely Ben's fault. This makes little sense when you realize that this bareley barely happened in ''Alien Force''-until you realize that in ''Alien Force'' he was dealing with all new aliens as opposed to his old ones with a new look. He simply doesn't recognize his old aliens with the newer Omnitrix.



*** Which is still a case of FridgeLogic : [[spoiler:by that logic, Azmuth should have known that and placed Feedback's dna in the new Omnitrix again. He may be a dick, but that's pushing it to think he wouldn't do that.]]

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*** Which is still a case of FridgeLogic : [[spoiler:by that logic, Azmuth should have known that and placed Feedback's dna DNA in the new Omnitrix again. He may be a dick, but that's pushing it to think he wouldn't do that.]]



* The fact that Khyber specialised in countering Ben's alien forms by using the Nemetrix to give him control of their natural predators may bring to mind a plot point from the Ben 10,000 arc, where Ben won the day by dropping the alien forms and fighting ''as himself.'' Shouldn't Khyber have looked up the natural predator for ''humans'' just to be safe? Well, how do we know ''Khyber himself'' doesn't cover that?
** [[HumansAreSpecial Humans don't have a natural pretator.]] Which is why Khyber's pets can never beat Ben, even when they have the advantage. [[FridgeBrilliance We're]] ''[[FridgeBrilliance Apex Pretators.]]''

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* The fact that Khyber specialised specialized in countering Ben's alien forms by using the Nemetrix to give him control of their natural predators may bring to mind a plot point from the Ben 10,000 arc, where Ben won the day by dropping the alien forms and fighting ''as himself.'' Shouldn't Khyber have looked up the natural predator for ''humans'' just to be safe? Well, how do we know ''Khyber himself'' doesn't cover that?
** [[HumansAreSpecial Humans don't have a natural pretator.predator.]] Which is why Khyber's pets can never beat Ben, even when they have the advantage. [[FridgeBrilliance We're]] ''[[FridgeBrilliance Apex Pretators.Predators.]]''



* Practically everything in Khyber's trophy room becomes massive Fridge Horror when you realize most aliens whose bodyparts are present are ''sentient beings'' in the ''Ben 10'' Universe.

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* Practically everything in Khyber's trophy room becomes massive Fridge Horror when you realize most aliens whose bodyparts body parts are present are ''sentient beings'' in the ''Ben 10'' Universe.



** I don't think Alien X can bring people back and yes, WordOfGod is that the new universe made is ''not'' an exact copy of the old, hence things like Primus not existing and other various {{Retcon}}s in certain areas and new character looks, like Gwen's and Kevin's (and the way their powers work now.) Since places, appearances, and powers are different, it can be assumed that the characters themselves really are new existences entirely. It didn't matter if Ben wasn't aware of certain beings, since Alien X (or, to be more precies, Bellicus and Serena) were, being omnipotent and all that, so they were copied, albeit imperfectly.

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** I don't think Alien X can bring people back and yes, WordOfGod is that the new universe made is ''not'' an exact copy of the old, hence things like Primus not existing and other various {{Retcon}}s in certain areas and new character looks, like Gwen's and Kevin's (and the way their powers work now.) Since places, appearances, and powers are different, it can be assumed that the characters themselves really are new existences entirely. It didn't matter if Ben wasn't aware of certain beings, since Alien X (or, to be more precies, precise, Bellicus and Serena) were, being omnipotent and all that, so they were copied, albeit imperfectly.



*** Anything immune to Alien X's abilities or better yet, just something that can cut off the minds from eachother, Alien X has plenty of exploitable weaknesses, it doesn't have to be brute force.

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*** Anything immune to Alien X's abilities or better yet, just something that can cut off the minds from eachother, each other, Alien X has plenty of exploitable weaknesses, it doesn't have to be brute force.




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** The way ''I'' see it, the futures seen in the Ben 10 shows are ''always'' in a state of flux as to which future is Ben's true future. When we see the first Ben 10,000 in the original series, he didn't remember doing the same thing when ''he'' was 10. This establishes that Ben's future was already changed when older Gwen brought him & 10-year-old Gwen to her future where Ben turned into who he did, thus it's based on the trajectory he was on at that moment and he changed, then it was changed after he saw it, making it an alternate timeline. When we see the second depiction of Ben 10,000, it's established he's a different version. Similar, but very different. When 16-year-old Ben came into contact with this one, while that Ben 10,000 remembered the events of the episode, and presumably some more of the adventures that came to pass afterwards in ''Ultimate Alien'', but when it came to the end of the series, the timeline shifted again due to Ben gaining the new Omnitrix. The future we saw in UA was true at the time, but it became alternate at that point. The Ben 10,000 we see in ''Omniverse'' is ''clearly'' a different one than in the original series, and I ''really'' wish that the Ben 10 Wiki people would make the distinction. This new Ben 10,000 is influenced by the events of Omniverse and is very similar to the original series' depiction, but isn't exact. This is how I see these 3 depictions of Ben 10,000. This is helped by the fact that they have different voice actors in each series. In the OS, he's voiced by Fred Tatasciore, in UA, he's voiced by Sean Donnellan, and in ''Omniverse'' by Judd Nelson. Omniverse's Ben 10,000 future is also depicted with broad strokes in regards to being the one from the original series. The episode with Kenny was already declassified as canon by Man of Action, Ben 10K's personality is more jokey like Omniverse's Ben rather than more serious like originally depicted, he has the Biomnitrix (what's the point other than new toys or visuals in episodes by the way?) instead of the upgraded Omnitrix, Kenny's not being trained to be a hero, Kevin's still reformed rather than being evil and in the null void, he's still in a relationship with Gwen in the future, Devlin's nowhere to be found, Argit's in the future, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's either contradictory, or not explained. The designs of everything is just fanservice that doesn't make sense. Has it been mentioned that Derrick J. Wyatt has a hard-on for the original series so large, he retconned things from AF and UA and didn't bother to explain their disappearances other than that he hated them? Seriously, that's why I take most things in ''Omniverse'' with a grain of salt.
7th Mar '17 9:14:07 PM SavageSamurai
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** This is actually subverted in a way. Many of Wyatt's WOG statements can easily be contradicted and are often seen as unreliable even by the Ben 10 wiki (which uses these statements). Take Primus for example; Wyatt said that is was destroyed by the Anihilaarg yet one of the writers, Matt Wayne who specifically stated [[http://ben10.englishboard.net/t130p60-qa-with-matt-wayne#5361 "Nothing's definite until we address it in Omniverse"]] and this logic can be used to discard every single WOG statement about the series. In fact Matt Wayne also said that the future in the original series and Omniverse is [[http://ben10.englishboard.net/t130p570-qa-with-matt-wayne#7746 "just one of many possible futures"]].
21st Feb '17 5:59:05 AM KrspaceT
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* Per Word of God Ultimate Ben 10,000 is no longer Ben's future and Ben 10,000 is the canon one again. That's good and all, until one remembers what that implies. The Omniverse Ben ''is'' going to mutilate Vilgax into pieces, ''is'' going to loose the joy of being a hero for about a decade, ''is'' going to isolate himself away from Gwen and Max, and Kevin ''is'' going to have severe relapse issues. [[SarcasmMode Thanks Wyatt, that is so much better]].
6th Feb '17 10:55:17 AM KrspaceT
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** Ben 23 is somewhere, by word of God, between 12 and 14. That implies that he unlocked something between 20 and 10 aliens a year, depending on how old he exactly is. Canonically Ben unlocked 4 aliens without scanning or having someone like Azmuth or Xylene unlock, suggesting that for him over the course of about 2 and a half to 3 months. That suggests a rate of Ben unlocking, normally, about 12 aliens a year with frequent use. With or without scanning aliens, given that there was no way Ben 23 would have let an alien unlock forms for him, the math actually works out pretty well.
22nd Dec '16 2:30:14 PM worldofdrakan
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*** Ben could be single-handedly responsible for the [[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-mandela-effect Mandela Effect.]]
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