History Film / Unforgiven

22nd Nov '17 11:34:35 PM Dravencour
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* AssholeVictim: The brothel owner "Skinny" very cruelly insults Delilah over her scars, and [[spoiler:puts Ned's body on display outside the saloon]]. He should've armed himself before he did that last one.

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* AssholeVictim: The brothel owner "Skinny" very cruelly insults Delilah over her scars, and [[spoiler:puts Ned's body on display outside the saloon]]. He should've armed himself before he did that last one.one, not that it would have mattered when Will came calling.



** One aspect of this is how the movie shows Munny dealing with his re-submersion into the violent, dangerous environment he left behind before he became a family man. He doesn't become a more heroic figure, rising to the occasion. Instead, he ''degrades'', with his layers of civility being stripped away until at the end, he's the cold-blooded killer he once was.

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** One aspect of this is how the movie shows Munny dealing with his re-submersion into the violent, dangerous environment he left behind before he became a family man. He doesn't become a more heroic figure, rising to the occasion. Instead, he ''degrades'', with his layers of civility being stripped away until at the end, he's the cold-blooded killer that he once was.
10th Nov '17 6:39:02 PM Luigifan
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* TheAllegedHouse: Sheriff Bill Dagget built his own wood frame house on a lonely parcel away from town. While recounting the exploits of The Wild West to biographer W. Beauchamp, both men set out assorted vessels to catch all the rainwater that's leaking through the roof. One of the sheriff's own deputies put it succinctly; "You know, he don't have a straight angle in that whole god-damned porch, or the whole house for that matter. He is the worst damn carpenter."
* AllThereInTheScript: The screenplay reveals what happened to The Schofield Kid - he drowned himself out of guilt.

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* TheAllegedHouse: Sheriff Bill Dagget built his own wood frame wood-frame house on a lonely parcel away from town. While recounting the exploits of The Wild West to biographer W. Beauchamp, both men set out assorted vessels to catch all the rainwater that's leaking through the roof. One of the sheriff's own deputies put it succinctly; "You know, he don't have a straight angle in that whole god-damned porch, or the whole house for that matter. He is the worst damn carpenter."
* AllThereInTheScript: The screenplay reveals what happened to The Schofield Kid - he drowned himself out of guilt.



* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a badass who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies (including the notorious Abilene, according to Beauchamp), and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and as he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because there are four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already on the floor shot and Munny handily deflects his gun away by stepping on his arm.]]
* TheAtoner: Munny honestly attempts to live a life that would be pleasing to his departed wife, never touching alcohol and even forbidding his children from cussing. But his dire financial situation pushes him back into his gunslinging ways, and he goes over the edge completely [[spoiler:after Ned's death.]]

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a badass who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies (including the notorious Abilene, according to Beauchamp), and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and as he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because there are four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: [[spoiler:[[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown brutal beatdowns beatdowns]] on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already on the floor shot and Munny handily deflects his gun away by stepping on his arm.]]
* TheAtoner: Munny honestly attempts to live a life that would be pleasing to his departed wife, never touching alcohol and even forbidding his children from cussing. But his dire financial situation pushes him back into his gunslinging ways, and he goes over the edge completely [[spoiler:after Ned's death.]] death]].



** Subverted with English Bob, who tells Beauchamp these beautiful bad ass speeches about his 'exploits'... only to have Little Bill debunk them, noting "The Duck of Death" shot first and InTheBack with most of the gunfights Bob himself started.

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** Subverted with English Bob, who tells Beauchamp these beautiful bad ass badass speeches about his 'exploits'... only to have Little Bill debunk them, noting "The Duck of Death" shot first and InTheBack with most of the gunfights Bob himself started.



* BeingGoodSucks: Kind of. It's noticeable that during his period of trying to be good, Munny is an unsuccessful pig farmer eking out a wretched existence, is wracked by guilt, and comes across as kind of pathetic (note how often he falls off his horse, his beating by Little Bill). After returning to his old ways, he becomes a scarily effective gunfighter and the epilogue indicates he became financially successful. Not to mention that things don't turn out well for Ned after he admits he's lost his stomach for killing and tries to return home.
* BerserkButton: Munny finds out about [[spoiler: Little Bill killing Ned and desecrating his body]] in the last 20 minutes of the movie. He spends those last 20 minutes [[spoiler: killing most of the people who die in the movie]] in response.
* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:Munny goes back to his old ways and Ned is murdered, but Munny avenges him. And with the money he earns from the bounty on the two cowboys, he's able to move on and make a better life for himself--rumored to be San Francisco, where he prospered in dry goods.]]

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* BeingGoodSucks: Kind of. It's noticeable that during his period of trying to be good, Munny is an unsuccessful pig farmer eking out a wretched existence, is wracked by guilt, and comes across as kind of pathetic (note how often he falls off his horse, and his beating by Little Bill). After returning to his old ways, he becomes a scarily effective gunfighter and the epilogue indicates he became financially successful. Not to mention that things don't turn out well for Ned after he admits he's lost his stomach for killing and tries to return home.
* BerserkButton: Munny finds out about [[spoiler: Little [[spoiler:Little Bill killing Ned and desecrating his body]] in the last 20 minutes of the movie. He spends those last 20 minutes [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing most of the people who die in the movie]] in response.
* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:Munny goes back to his old ways and Ned is murdered, but Munny avenges him. And with the money he earns from the bounty on the two cowboys, he's able to move on and make a better life for himself--rumored himself -- rumored to be San Francisco, where he prospered in dry goods.]]



* DeadGuyOnDisplay: [[spoiler:Done with Ned. Munny is angry and ready to kill by this point, but seeing Ned's body out in the open like that visibly enrages him further.]] TruthInTelevision--towns often put the unidentified dead out on display as well, in hopes that someone would identify them/claim the bodies.

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* DeadGuyOnDisplay: [[spoiler:Done with Ned. Munny is angry and ready to kill by this point, but seeing Ned's body out in the open like that visibly enrages him further.]] TruthInTelevision--towns TruthInTelevision -- towns often put the unidentified dead out on display as well, in hopes that someone would identify them/claim the bodies.



** HonorBeforeReason is also deconstructed. Consider [[MeaningfulName the title.]] The prostitutes can't forgive Quick Mike for cutting Delilah. Little Bill can't forgive the prostitutes for putting a hit on the Cowboys. The Schofield Kid can't forgive himself for actually killing a man, and finally Will Munny can't forgive Little Bill for [[spoiler:killing Ned]]. As a result, most of these characters are either dead, dying or emotionally broken at the end of the movie.
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: A major part of the film's goal of de-romanticizing the West: racism (whether against Englishmen, "Chinamen" or "injuns") is rampant, prostitutes are seen as the scum of the earth (Skinny refers to the cut-up prostitute as "damaged property") and an exchange of goods is seen as acceptable punishment for slicing them up. Unfortunately, all of this period-appropriate realism makes the fact that Ned's skin color is not even remarked upon, never mind serving as a plot point, extremely jarring. This was heavily criticized by the film's detractors (Ned was presumably not written with Creator/MorganFreeman in mind).

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** HonorBeforeReason is also deconstructed. Consider [[MeaningfulName the title.]] The prostitutes can't forgive Quick Mike for cutting Delilah. Little Bill can't forgive the prostitutes for putting a hit on the Cowboys. The Schofield Kid can't forgive himself for actually killing a man, and finally Will Munny can't forgive Little Bill for [[spoiler:killing Ned]]. As a result, most of these characters are either dead, dying dying, or emotionally broken at the end of the movie.
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: A major part of the film's goal of de-romanticizing the West: racism (whether against Englishmen, "Chinamen" "Chinamen", or "injuns") is rampant, prostitutes are seen as the scum of the earth (Skinny refers to the cut-up prostitute as "damaged property") property"), and an exchange of goods is seen as acceptable punishment for slicing them up. Unfortunately, all of this period-appropriate realism makes the fact that Ned's skin color is not even remarked upon, never mind serving as a plot point, extremely jarring. This was heavily criticized by the film's detractors (Ned was presumably not written with Creator/MorganFreeman in mind).



** Davey, the second of the two cowboys whose actions started the plot, attempted to stop his friend from hurting Delilah and when the two of them came to pay compensation to Skinny he attempted to give her a pony as part of a personal apology to her, which the other whores refused to accept out of anger. The whores put a price on his head anyway and he's killed by the protagonists. With a slow gutshot. After they break his leg by shooting his horse out from under him.

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** Davey, the second of the two cowboys whose actions started the plot, attempted to stop his friend from hurting Delilah Delilah, and when the two of them came to pay compensation to Skinny Skinny, he attempted to give her a pony as part of a personal apology to her, which the other whores refused to accept out of anger. The whores put a price on his head anyway and he's killed by the protagonists. With a slow gutshot. After they break his leg by shooting his horse out from under him.



* [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Anti-Heroes Have Standards]]: After killing the men at the saloon, when a [[WritersSuck writer]] asks him who he chose first, (in an effort to romanticize the brutal events that Munny committed) Munny replies only by threatening him with death. All the players in the movie were eager to justify their DisproportionateRetribution but Munny: he knows that he did evil things once and he’s doing evil things now, and that for that he will go to hell. He will not try to hide that from himself or anyone else.

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* [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even Anti-Heroes Have Standards]]: After killing the men at the saloon, when a [[WritersSuck writer]] asks him who he chose first, first (in an effort to romanticize the brutal events that Munny committed) committed), Munny replies only by threatening him with death. All the players in the movie were eager to justify their DisproportionateRetribution but DisproportionateRetribution, except for Munny: he knows that he did evil things once and he’s doing evil things now, and that for that he will go to hell. He will not try to hide that from himself or anyone else.



* EvilCounterpart: English Bob to Will Munny, except he's just a vicious coward who was trying to cash in on his reputation. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation An argument could be made that]], [[GreyAndGreyMorality in as much as 'good' and 'evil' are meaningful concepts in this movie]], Will Munny is the EvilCounterpart to English Bob. Consider the way both of them end their time in the town; English Bob is kicked out in disgrace with his reputation in tatters, exposed as a coward and for all his ineffectual ranting and raving about how he'll return and make them all pay he's basically a joke. Will Munny leaves of his own accord with a room full of bodies behind him, and when he promises that he'll come back and make them all pay if they give him cause to return, there's probably not a person in the town who doubts his sincerity or ability to make good on his threats. Which one's the evil one again?

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* EvilCounterpart: English Bob to Will Munny, except he's just a vicious coward who was trying to cash in on his reputation. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation An argument could be made that]], [[GreyAndGreyMorality in as much as 'good' and 'evil' are meaningful concepts in this movie]], Will Munny is the EvilCounterpart to English Bob. Consider the way both of them end their time in the town; English Bob is kicked out in disgrace with his reputation in tatters, exposed as a coward coward, and for all his ineffectual ranting and raving about how he'll return and make them all pay pay, he's basically a joke. Will Munny leaves of his own accord with a room full of bodies behind him, and when he promises that he'll come back and make them all pay if they give him cause to return, there's probably not a person in the town who doubts his sincerity or ability to make good on his threats. Which one's the evil one again?



* HidingTheHandicap: Downplayed, The Schofield Kid tries his best to hide the fact that he has bad eyesight. It doesn't stop Ned from figuring it out real quick.

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* HidingTheHandicap: Downplayed, The the Schofield Kid tries his best to hide the fact that he has bad eyesight. It doesn't stop Ned from figuring it out real quick.



* ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy: Discussed, and ultimately Deconstructed. The deputies in the final showdown panic, blaze away at Munny and hit exactly zip. Munny, on the other hand, keeps a cool head and rations out a bullet for each one.
** That said, at the start of the film Munny is a horrible shot, missing a tin can with all six shots at close range. This leads him to [[ShotgunsAreJustBetter bring a shotgun along just in case]]. It's only after he discovers that [[spoiler:Ned is dead]], that he gets his old focus back.

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* ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy: Discussed, and ultimately Deconstructed. The deputies in the final showdown panic, blaze away at Munny Munny, and hit exactly zip. Munny, on the other hand, keeps a cool head and rations out a bullet for each one.
** That said, at the start of the film film, Munny is a horrible shot, missing a tin can with all six shots at close range. This leads him to [[ShotgunsAreJustBetter bring a shotgun along just in case]]. It's only after he discovers that [[spoiler:Ned is dead]], dead]] that he gets his old focus back.



* MilesGloriosus: The Schofield Kid. English Bob is shown to be an excellent pistol marksman (shooting birds in flight from a moving train with a pistol is no mean feat), but he has no stomach for actual fighting.

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* MilesGloriosus: The Schofield Kid. For another example, English Bob is shown to be an excellent pistol marksman (shooting birds in flight from a moving train with a pistol is no mean feat), but he has no stomach for actual fighting.



** The Schofield Kid gets one when he hears [[spoiler:that he's the only friend Will has.]]

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** The Schofield Kid gets one when he hears [[spoiler:that he's the only friend Will has.]]has]].



* PosthumousCharacter: TheLostLenore--Claudia Munny was dead before the beginning, but Munny will talk about her whenever he has any chance. At the end of the movie we know how much her character influenced him and the whole story.
* PsychoForHire: Rather downplayed. Munny is brought onto the job mostly for his reputation as one, but doesn't do much to live up to it. [[spoiler:[[ItsPersonal Even when Bill tortures Ned to death,]]]] he isn't overly sadistic in his revenge (ruthless, but not sadistic).

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* PosthumousCharacter: TheLostLenore--Claudia TheLostLenore -- Claudia Munny was dead before the beginning, but Munny will talk about her whenever he has any chance. At the end of the movie movie, we know how much her character influenced him and the whole story.
* PsychoForHire: Rather downplayed. Munny is brought onto the job mostly for his reputation as one, but he doesn't do much to live up to it. [[spoiler:[[ItsPersonal Even when Bill tortures Ned to death,]]]] he isn't overly sadistic in his revenge (ruthless, but not sadistic).



* QuickDraw: [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed;]] [[LampshadedTrope As Little Bill notes]] when he's talking to the writer, while being fast ''on'' the draw is perfectly fine...those who draw and start blazing away without taking time to properly aim as a rule end up dead--while a slower, but more accurate, gunfighter will, as a rule, end up the victor.

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* QuickDraw: [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed;]] [[LampshadedTrope As Little Bill notes]] when he's talking to the writer, while being fast ''on'' the draw is perfectly fine...those who draw and start blazing away without taking time to properly aim as a rule end up dead--while dead -- while a slower, but more accurate, gunfighter will, as a rule, end up the victor.



* {{Reconstruction}}: while the movie is primarily a {{Deconstruction}} the final fight scene is more or less played straight and Munny isn't portrayed as in the wrong. WordOfGod says that the movie wasn't so much violence is bad as it is violence is complex and only applicable in certain situations.
** Something of a BrokenAesop in that case: [[spoiler:While Little Bill went too far in killing Ned and is repeatedly portrayed as a sadist who takes pleasure in doling out his version of justice, he believed the man he killed had murdered the babyfaced and relatively innocent—but still guilt-ridden—Davey in cold blood just for a quick pay-off. Munny convinced Ned to come along and help him commit a couple of contract killings despite the latter's misgivings; who's really responsible for getting him killed?]]
* RedemptionFailure: Munny is a former badman, who tried to make a go at being a farmer for the sake of his wife. When she dies and his farm fails he decides to take just one more job and for a time goes back to his old ways. (Although it's hinted at at the end that he eventually returned to a mundane life once more.)
** Little Bill, too. By his own admission he is a bad man, but he's trying to make a go of it by being a sheriff. He just happens to piss off the wrong assassin.

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* {{Reconstruction}}: while the movie is primarily a {{Deconstruction}} {{Deconstruction}}. the final fight scene is more or less played straight and Munny isn't portrayed as in the wrong. WordOfGod says that the movie wasn't so much violence "violence is bad bad" as it is violence "violence is complex and only applicable in certain situations.
situations".
** Something of a BrokenAesop in that case: [[spoiler:While Little Bill went too far in killing Ned and is repeatedly portrayed as a sadist {{sadist}} who takes pleasure in [[KnightTemplar doling out his version of justice, justice]], he believed the man he killed had murdered the babyfaced and relatively innocent—but innocent — but still guilt-ridden—Davey guilt-ridden — Davey in cold blood just for a quick pay-off. Munny convinced Ned to come along and help him commit a couple of contract killings despite the latter's misgivings; who's really responsible for getting him killed?]]
* RedemptionFailure: Munny is a former badman, who tried to make a go at being a farmer for the sake of his wife. When she dies and his farm fails fails, he decides to take just {{just one more job job}} and for a time goes back to his old ways. (Although it's hinted at at the end that he eventually returned to a mundane life once more.)
** Little Bill, too. By his own admission admission, he is a bad man, but he's trying to make a go of it by being a sheriff. He just happens to piss off the wrong assassin.



** Misfiring guns feature prominently in both the backstory and the climax, which is more appropriate for the time period, in which lower quality guns and ammo were more common. The rainy night of the climax might also have played a factor.

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** Misfiring guns feature prominently in both the backstory and the climax, which is more appropriate for the time period, in which lower quality lower-quality guns and ammo were more common. The rainy night of the climax might also have played a factor.



* RetiredBadass: Deconstructed with Will and Ned. They have latent skills but have been out of the game so long they don't have the same instincts and reflexes they once had. [[spoiler: Ned starts off confident but loses his nerve trying to kill the first cowboy. Will starts off almost catatonic, but slowly descends into the cold killer he once was]].

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* RetiredBadass: Deconstructed with Will and Ned. They have latent skills skills, but have been out of the game so long they don't have the same instincts and reflexes they once had. [[spoiler: Ned [[spoiler:Ned starts off confident but loses his nerve trying to kill the first cowboy. Will starts off almost catatonic, but slowly descends into the cold killer he once was]].was.]]



** There's a reason why Will Munny is unforgiven. He doesn't seem to really regret his previous life all that much, except when it comes to his deceased wife. But then [[spoiler:Munny got pissed at what they did to Ned.]]
** Little Bill describes both English Bob and himself as bad men, implying he thinks they both are this
* RetiredGunfighter: Both Will Munny and Ned Logan were retired and had families, until the Kid convinced them to come.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: Subverted after [[spoiler:Little Bill kills Ned]]; while Munny stalks into town to take his cold-blooded revenge on [[spoiler:the man who killed his best friend and the owner of the saloon who [[DeadGuyOnDisplay put his corpse on display]]]], he's remarkably controlled. Despite being described throughout the film as a psychotic butcher, once he guns down all the men who are actively shooting at him, he tells everyone else to just GetOut, even those who are still clutching loaded weapons. Even before that he warns bystanders to move away to avoid collateral damage before he shoots [[spoiler:Skinny and Bill]].

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** There's a reason why Will Munny is unforgiven. He doesn't seem to really regret his previous life all that much, except when it comes to his deceased wife. But then [[spoiler:Munny got pissed at what they did to Ned.]]
Ned]].
** Little Bill describes both English Bob and himself as bad men, implying he thinks they both are this
this.
* RetiredGunfighter: Both Will Munny and Ned Logan were retired and had families, until the Kid convinced them to come.
come along for a bounty.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: Subverted after [[spoiler:Little Bill kills Ned]]; while Munny stalks into town to take his cold-blooded revenge on [[spoiler:the man who killed his best friend and the owner of the saloon who [[DeadGuyOnDisplay put his corpse on display]]]], he's remarkably controlled. Despite being described throughout the film as a psychotic butcher, once he guns down all the men who are actively shooting at him, he tells everyone else to just GetOut, even those who are still clutching loaded weapons. Even before that that, he warns bystanders to move away to avoid collateral damage before he shoots [[spoiler:Skinny and Bill]].



** William Munny. Funnily enough, it seems that the real facts about Will Munny's exploits are more fantastical than the urban legends. He claims he was drunk during most of them that even he isn't clear on the details.

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** William Munny. Funnily enough, it seems that the real facts about Will Munny's exploits are more fantastical than the urban legends. He claims he was drunk during most of them that them, so even he isn't clear on the details.



** Subverted also when The Schofield Kid is babbling about his kill. "He reached for his gun and I shot him." In truth the dead man had his hands raised, and his gun was well out of reach.
*** Which is probably how most of the myths come around. What the kid said was true but he was semi-coherent and missed the middle part (the dead man reached for his gun, his gun moved out of reach as the door opened, he tried raising his hands instead and the kid shot him with his hands raised). There's also probably a bit of [[UnreliableNarrator selective rewriting of history going on]] in the process, since given the mood the Kid is in he would probably rather remember (and have others remember) that he shot a man who was preparing to shoot ''him'' rather than that he shot an unarmed and entirely defenseless man.

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** Subverted also when The Schofield Kid is babbling about his kill. "He reached for his gun and I shot him." In truth truth, the dead man had his hands raised, and his gun was well out of reach.
*** Which is probably how most of the myths come around. What the kid said was true true, but he was semi-coherent and missed the middle part (the dead man reached for his gun, his gun moved out of reach as the door opened, he tried raising his hands instead instead, and the kid shot him with his hands raised). There's also probably a bit of [[UnreliableNarrator selective rewriting of history going on]] in the process, since given the mood the Kid is in in, he would probably rather remember (and have others remember) that he shot a man who was preparing to shoot ''him'' rather than that he shot an unarmed and entirely defenseless man.



* ThrowAwayGuns: Clyde, one Little Bill's deputies, carries three guns for this reason. He has only one arm and would be unable to reload in a fight. Also, contrary to the myth of the Colt Peacemaker, most of the guns available in the West during the time period were older cap-and-ball revolvers such as the Colt Navy, Dragoon, and 1860 Army. Reloading one of these weapons is a very slow process[[note]]The ''fastest'' way to do so would be to pull off the barrel and swap out the cylinder. Otherwise each chamber would have to be hand-charged with powder, a round seated, and a cap placed on the nipple. Paper cartridges helped speed the process, but it's still not something that can be done quickly[[/note]] that would be completely impractical in the heat of a fight, so it was quite common for a gunfighter to carry multiple pistols and to just draw a backup weapon rather than stop and reload.
* UnreliableNarrator: In keeping with the overall {{Deconstruction}} of the Western, a running theme throughout the movie is that many of the characters are either actively trying to rewrite their pasts in order to make them seem better than they were, or have hazy recollections of them to begin with. These fraudulent and flawed recollections then go on to become myths of the west. This starts off early on, as Will only considers the offer from Shofield Kid because he said the target graphically maimed a prostitute, cutting up her face, carving her body and chopping of her fingers, when she was just disfigured.

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* ThrowAwayGuns: Clyde, one of Little Bill's deputies, carries three guns for this reason. He has only one arm and would be unable to reload in a fight. Also, contrary to the myth of the Colt Peacemaker, most of the guns available in the West during the time period were older cap-and-ball revolvers such as the Colt Navy, Dragoon, and 1860 Army. Reloading one of these weapons is a very slow process[[note]]The ''fastest'' way to do so would be to pull off the barrel and swap out the cylinder. Otherwise Otherwise, each chamber would have to be hand-charged with powder, a round seated, and a cap placed on the nipple. Paper cartridges helped speed the process, but it's still not something that can be done quickly[[/note]] quickly.[[/note]] that would be completely impractical in the heat of a fight, so it was quite common for a gunfighter to carry multiple pistols and to just draw a backup weapon rather than stop and reload.
* UnreliableNarrator: In keeping with the overall {{Deconstruction}} of the Western, a running theme throughout the movie is that many of the characters are either actively trying to rewrite their pasts in order to make them seem better than they were, or have hazy recollections of them to begin with. These fraudulent and flawed recollections then go on to become myths of the west. This starts off early on, as Will only considers the offer from Shofield Kid because he said the target graphically maimed a prostitute, cutting up her face, carving her body body, and chopping of her fingers, when she was just disfigured.



* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: Will took the kids and left for San Francisco where he prospered in selling dry goods.

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* WhereAreTheyNowEpilogue: Will took the kids and left for San Francisco Francisco, where he prospered in selling dry goods.



** The writer who follows Little Bill Daggett around seems to think he's in a simple white hats versus black hats world...whereas it's more akin to a CrapsackWorld.

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** The writer who follows Little Bill Daggett around seems to think he's in a simple white hats versus black hats world... whereas it's more akin to a CrapsackWorld.
30th Sep '17 5:09:56 PM FGHIK
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* TheAllegedHouse: Sheriff Bill Dagget built his own wood frame house on a lonely parcel away from town. While recounting the exploits of The Wild West to biographer W. Beauchamp, both men set out assorted vessels to catch all the rainwater that's leaking through the roof. One of the sheriff's own deputies put it succinctly; "You know, he don't have a straight angle in that whole god-damned porch, or the whole house for that matter. He is the worst damn carpenter."
20th May '17 6:25:51 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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** Even when he [[spoiler:cold-bloodedly murdered an unarmed Skinny for displaying Ned's corpse outside his saloon]] and when he was about to [[spoiler:shoot Little Bill]], both times Munny warned the people standing near his target to move away for their own safety because he's using a shotgun, showing a remarkable concern for the welfare of people he doesn't have any specific intention of killing (and a surprising effort to avert RecklessGunUsage).
5th Feb '17 5:13:12 PM RushLimborg
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* QuickDraw: Mostly subverted; the ones who draw and start blazing away without taking time to properly aim end up dead while a slower, but more accurate, gunfighter shoots them. {{Lampshaded}} by Little Bill when he's talking to the writer.
-->'''Little Bill:''' Look here. ''*draws quickly but not overly fast*'' That's about as fast as I can draw and aim and hit anything more than ten feet away. Unless it's a barn.

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* QuickDraw: Mostly subverted; [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed;]] [[LampshadedTrope As Little Bill notes]] when he's talking to the ones writer, while being fast ''on'' the draw is perfectly fine...those who draw and start blazing away without taking time to properly aim as a rule end up dead while dead--while a slower, but more accurate, gunfighter shoots them. {{Lampshaded}} by Little Bill when he's talking to will, as a rule, end up the writer.
victor.
-->'''Little Bill:''' Look here. ''*draws quickly but not overly fast*'' That's about as fast as I can draw and aim draw, aim, and hit anything more than ten feet away. Unless 'Less it's a barn.''barn''....
26th Jan '17 10:24:58 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a BadAss who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies (including the notorious Abilene, according to Beauchamp), and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and as he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because there are four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already on the floor shot and Munny handily deflects his gun away by stepping on his arm.]]

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a BadAss badass who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies (including the notorious Abilene, according to Beauchamp), and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and as he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because there are four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already on the floor shot and Munny handily deflects his gun away by stepping on his arm.]]
25th Jan '17 1:30:28 PM tommythegun
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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a tough customer who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies, and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because there are four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already shot on the floor and Munny deflects his arm away by stepping on it.]]

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a tough customer BadAss who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies, deputies (including the notorious Abilene, according to Beauchamp), and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and as he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because there are four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already shot on the floor shot and Munny handily deflects his arm gun away by stepping on it.his arm.]]
23rd Jan '17 11:16:08 AM tommythegun
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* TheDreaded: Munny, when his past days as a thief and murderer come out. The Schofield Kid in their first scene describes Munny's reputation as "the meanest goddamn son of a bitch alive." Later, when Little Sue (the prostitute who delivers the bounty) describes what Ned said about him — that dynamiting a train full of women and children wasn't even the ''worst'' he'd done — her quavering voice, and the look the Kid gives Will, say it all.

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* TheDreaded: Munny, when his past days as a thief and murderer come out. are discussed. The Schofield Kid in their first scene together describes Munny's reputation as "the meanest goddamn son of a bitch alive." Later, when Little Sue (the prostitute who delivers the bounty) describes what Ned said about him — that dynamiting a train full of women and children wasn't even the ''worst'' he'd done — her quavering voice, and the look the Kid gives Will, say it all.
23rd Jan '17 1:52:02 AM tommythegun
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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a tough customer who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies, and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because Bob has four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already shot on the floor and Munny deflects his arm away by stepping on it.]]

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a tough customer who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies, and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because Bob has there are four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already shot on the floor and Munny deflects his arm away by stepping on it.]]
23rd Jan '17 1:51:26 AM tommythegun
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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a tough customer who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies, and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because Bob has four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already shot on the flood and Munny deflects his arm away by stepping on it.]]

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Subverted with Little Bill. He has a reputation as a tough customer who "worked them tough towns" in Kansas and Texas according to his deputies, and he has the measure of "dangerous men" as he demonstrates dealing with English Bob and he recounts to Beauchamp. English Bob has an OhCrap moment when he first sees Little Bill, and not just because Bob has four guns pointed at him. At the same time, the only violence he manages in the entire movie is [[spoiler: brutal beatdowns on men already at gunpoint or restrained, and the only time he manages to get a shot off, he's already shot on the flood floor and Munny deflects his arm away by stepping on it.]]
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