History Film / Unforgiven

7th Jul '16 10:24:47 PM darthpaul
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** To some, Bob's accent sounds American (Southern or Midwestern) at this point, indicating that his entire identity as "English" Bob is a fabrication.
31st May '16 9:56:12 AM Ma35tro
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** That said, at the start of the film Munny is a horrible shot, missing a tin can with all six shots at close range. This leads him to bring a shotgun along just in case. It's only after he discovers that [[spoiler:Ned is dead]], that he gets his old focus back.

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** That said, at the start of the film Munny is a horrible shot, missing a tin can with all six shots at close range. This leads him to [[ShotgunsAreJustBetter bring a shotgun along just in case.case]]. It's only after he discovers that [[spoiler:Ned is dead]], that he gets his old focus back.
26th Apr '16 2:28:46 PM Ambaryerno
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* ThrowAwayGuns: Clyde, one Little Bill's deputies, carries three guns for this reason. He has only one arm and would be unable to reload in a fight.

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* ThrowAwayGuns: Clyde, one Little Bill's deputies, carries three guns for this reason. He has only one arm and would be unable to reload in a fight. Also, contrary to the myth of the Colt Peacemaker, most of the guns available in the West during the time period were older cap-and-ball revolvers such as the Colt Navy, Dragoon, and 1860 Army. Reloading one of these weapons is a very slow process[[note]]The ''fastest'' way to do so would be to pull off the barrel and swap out the cylinder. Otherwise each chamber would have to be hand-charged with powder, a round seated, and a cap placed on the nipple. Paper cartridges helped speed the process, but it's still not something that can be done quickly[[/note]] that would be completely impractical in the heat of a fight, so it was quite common for a gunfighter to carry multiple pistols and to just draw a backup weapon rather than stop and reload.
21st Apr '16 10:10:53 AM KingClark
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* TheAtoner: Munny honestly attempts to live a life that would be pleasing to his departed wife, never touching alcohol and even forbidding his children from cussing. But his dire financial situation pushes him back into his gunslinging ways, and he goes over the edge completely [[spoiler: after Ned's death.]]

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* TheAtoner: Munny honestly attempts to live a life that would be pleasing to his departed wife, never touching alcohol and even forbidding his children from cussing. But his dire financial situation pushes him back into his gunslinging ways, and he goes over the edge completely [[spoiler: after [[spoiler:after Ned's death.]]



* BadassBoast: "Alright, I'm comin' out. Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill em! Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, [[AndYourLittleDogToo I'm not only gonna kill him, I'm gonna kill his wife, all his friends, (and) burn his damn house down!]]"

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* BadassBoast: BadassBoast:
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"Alright, I'm comin' out. Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill em! Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, [[AndYourLittleDogToo I'm not only gonna kill him, I'm gonna kill his wife, all his friends, (and) burn his damn house down!]]"



* BadassGrandpa: While not technically a grandfather, William Munny is more than old enough to be one.
** DEFINITELY Little Bill, who's even older than Munny. Just watch him when he [[FaceDeathWithDignity stares down the barrel of Munny's shotgun]] and calmly tells his men to kill Munny after he's dead. No matter what you think of him, the man has INCREDIBLE balls.

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* BadassGrandpa: BadassGrandpa:
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While not technically a grandfather, William Munny is more than old enough to be one.
** DEFINITELY Little Bill, who's even older than Munny. Just watch him when he [[FaceDeathWithDignity stares [[spoiler:stares down the barrel of Munny's shotgun]] shotgun and calmly tells his men to kill Munny after he's dead. dead]]. No matter what you think of him, the man has INCREDIBLE incredible balls.



* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler: Munny goes back to his old ways and Ned is murdered, but Munny avenges him. And with the money he earns from the bounty on the two cowboys, he's able to move on and make a better life for himself--rumored to be San Francisco, where he prospered in dry goods.]]
-->'''Closing narration''': [[spoiler: ...And there was nothing on the marker to explain to Mrs. Feathers why her only daughter had married a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.]]

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* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler: Munny [[spoiler:Munny goes back to his old ways and Ned is murdered, but Munny avenges him. And with the money he earns from the bounty on the two cowboys, he's able to move on and make a better life for himself--rumored to be San Francisco, where he prospered in dry goods.]]
-->'''Closing narration''': [[spoiler: ...[[spoiler:...And there was nothing on the marker to explain to Mrs. Feathers why her only daughter had married a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.]]



* BlackGuyDiesFirst: [[spoiler:Ned is beaten to death by Little Bill, even though he wasn't the one who fired the fatal shot at cowboy Davey.]]

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* BlackGuyDiesFirst: BlackDudeDiesFirst: [[spoiler:Ned is beaten to death by Little Bill, even though he wasn't the one who fired the fatal shot at cowboy Davey.]]



* BreakTheHaughty: English Bob has his gun dismantled, is beaten savagely, and is abandoned by his trusted scribe Beauchamp. It's supposed to illustrate the near-boundless cruelty of Sheriff Little Bill, but considering [[MilesGloriosus many of the stories Bob told Beauchamp were HEAVILY exaggerated, if not outright fabricated,]] and considering Bob did little to ingratiate himself to his American hosts beforehand [[CulturalPosturing (mocking Americans for having a president for a leader instead of a monarch, for example),]] his mistreatment landed him much closer to this trope for many viewers.

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* BreakTheHaughty: English Bob has his gun dismantled, is beaten savagely, and is abandoned by his trusted scribe Beauchamp. It's supposed to illustrate the near-boundless cruelty of Sheriff Little Bill, but considering [[MilesGloriosus many of the stories Bob told Beauchamp were HEAVILY heavily exaggerated, if not outright fabricated,]] and considering Bob did little to ingratiate himself to his American hosts beforehand [[CulturalPosturing (mocking Americans for having a president for a leader instead of a monarch, for example),]] his mistreatment landed him much closer to this trope for many viewers.



* ChekhovsGun: Little Bill explains to Beauchamp, at length, about how proper aim trumps speed in a real gunfight. [[spoiler:Illustrated bloodily during the movie's climactic gunfight: Munny systematically guns down the men surrounding him while standing still in a cramped bar due to the fact that everyone's so freaked out by his ruthless execution of the owner and Bill.]]
** Though [[spoiler:Munny]] mentions that it has as much to do with pure luck as anything else.

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* ChekhovsGun: Little Bill explains to Beauchamp, at length, about how proper aim trumps speed in a real gunfight. [[spoiler:Illustrated bloodily during the movie's climactic gunfight: Munny systematically guns down the men surrounding him while standing still in a cramped bar due to the fact that everyone's so freaked out by his ruthless execution of the owner and Bill.]]
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]] Though [[spoiler:Munny]] mentions that it has as much to do with pure luck as anything else.



* DeadGuyOnDisplay: [[spoiler:Done with Ned. Munny is angry and ready to kill by this point, but seeing Ned's body out in the open like that visibly enrages him further.]] TruthInTelevision-towns often put the unidentified dead out on display as well, in hopes that someone would identify them/claim the bodies.

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* DeadGuyOnDisplay: [[spoiler:Done with Ned. Munny is angry and ready to kill by this point, but seeing Ned's body out in the open like that visibly enrages him further.]] TruthInTelevision-towns TruthInTelevision--towns often put the unidentified dead out on display as well, in hopes that someone would identify them/claim the bodies.



** HonorBeforeReason is also deconstructed. Consider [[MeaningfulName the title.]] The prostitutes can't forgive Quick Mike for cutting Delilah. Little Bill can't forgive the prostitutes for putting a hit on the Cowboys. The Schofield Kid can't forgive himself for actually killing a man, and finally Will Munny can't forgive Little Bill for [[spoiler: killing Ned.]] As a result. at the end of the movie most of these characters are either dead, dying or emotionally broken.

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** HonorBeforeReason is also deconstructed. Consider [[MeaningfulName the title.]] The prostitutes can't forgive Quick Mike for cutting Delilah. Little Bill can't forgive the prostitutes for putting a hit on the Cowboys. The Schofield Kid can't forgive himself for actually killing a man, and finally Will Munny can't forgive Little Bill for [[spoiler: killing Ned.]] [[spoiler:killing Ned]]. As a result. at the end of the movie result, most of these characters are either dead, dying or emotionally broken. broken at the end of the movie.



* DisproportionateRetribution: Davey, the second of the two cowboys whose actions started the plot, attempted to stop his friend from hurting Delilah and when the two of them came to pay compensation to Skinny he attempted to give her a pony as part of a personal apology to her, which the other whores refused to accept out of anger. The whores put a price on his head anyway and he's killed by the protagonists. With a slow gutshot. After they break his leg by shooting his horse out from under him.

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* DisproportionateRetribution: DisproportionateRetribution:
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Davey, the second of the two cowboys whose actions started the plot, attempted to stop his friend from hurting Delilah and when the two of them came to pay compensation to Skinny he attempted to give her a pony as part of a personal apology to her, which the other whores refused to accept out of anger. The whores put a price on his head anyway and he's killed by the protagonists. With a slow gutshot. After they break his leg by shooting his horse out from under him.



** English Bob himself [[spoiler: killed Two-Gun Corcoran purely for sleeping with a woman he had his eye on]].

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** English Bob himself [[spoiler: killed [[spoiler:killed Two-Gun Corcoran purely for sleeping with a woman he had his eye on]].



* EvilCounterpart: English Bob to Will Munny, except he's just a vicious coward who was trying to cash in on his reputation.
** [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation An argument could be made that]], [[GreyAndGreyMorality in as much as 'good' and 'evil' are meaningful concepts in this movie]], Will Munny is the EvilCounterpart to English Bob. Consider the way both of them end their time in the town; English Bob is kicked out in disgrace with his reputation in tatters, exposed as a coward and for all his ineffectual ranting and raving about how he'll return and make them all pay he's basically a joke. Will Munny leaves of his own accord with a room full of bodies behind him, and when he promises that he'll come back and make them all pay if they give him cause to return, there's probably not a person in the town who doubts his sincerity or ability to make good on his threats. Which one's the evil one again?

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* EvilCounterpart: English Bob to Will Munny, except he's just a vicious coward who was trying to cash in on his reputation.
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reputation. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation An argument could be made that]], [[GreyAndGreyMorality in as much as 'good' and 'evil' are meaningful concepts in this movie]], Will Munny is the EvilCounterpart to English Bob. Consider the way both of them end their time in the town; English Bob is kicked out in disgrace with his reputation in tatters, exposed as a coward and for all his ineffectual ranting and raving about how he'll return and make them all pay he's basically a joke. Will Munny leaves of his own accord with a room full of bodies behind him, and when he promises that he'll come back and make them all pay if they give him cause to return, there's probably not a person in the town who doubts his sincerity or ability to make good on his threats. Which one's the evil one again?



* FaceDeathWithDignity:
** [[spoiler: Little Bill, staring down Will Munny's gun.]]
** [[spoiler:Subverted all to hell with every other death. None of them die cleanly or quickly.]]

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* FaceDeathWithDignity:
** [[spoiler: Little
FaceDeathWithDignity: [[spoiler:Little Bill, staring down Will Munny's gun.]]
** [[spoiler:Subverted
]] Subverted all to hell with every other death. None of them die cleanly or quickly.]]



* InsistentTerminology: Little Bill's insistence on referring to English Bob as the Duck (of Death) rather than the Duke.
** Little Bill and his deputies repeatedly refer to bounty hunters as "assassins" as a kind of insult.
* InstantDeathBullet: Subverted-Munny shoots one of the targets in the gut, and he dies slowly and painfully. [[spoiler: A few of his victims after the final shootout]] can be seen slowly writhing on the floor in obvious agony. [[spoiler: Little Bill]] doesn't die from the first shot either.

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* InsistentTerminology: Little Bill's insistence on referring to English Bob as the Duck (of Death) rather than the Duke.
** Little Bill
Duke. He and his deputies repeatedly refer to bounty hunters as "assassins" as a kind of insult.
* InstantDeathBullet: Subverted-Munny Subverted. Munny shoots one of the targets in the gut, and he dies slowly and painfully. [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:A few of his victims after the final shootout]] can be seen slowly writhing on the floor in obvious agony. [[spoiler: Little [[spoiler:Little Bill]] doesn't die from the first shot either.



* KarmaHoudini: Somewhat downplayed. While Will doesn't get any retribution at the end for his crimes, they were all either [[VillainyDiscretionShot implied]] or justified in some way since he's given a SympatheticPOV throughout the film.
** [[spoiler: And he knows he's going to pay for it in Hell anyway.]]

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* KarmaHoudini: Somewhat downplayed. While Will doesn't get any retribution at the end for his crimes, they were all either [[VillainyDiscretionShot implied]] or justified in some way since he's given a SympatheticPOV throughout the film. \n** [[spoiler: And he knows he's going to pay for it in Hell anyway.]]



* LoveRedeems: Well, almost. Munny did change his ways for his wife, [[spoiler:but eventually reverted to his old ways after she died.]]
* MassOhCrap: Everyone in Skinny's bar [[spoiler: when they see Will Munny walk in.]]

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* LoveRedeems: Well, almost. Munny did change his ways for his wife, [[spoiler:but eventually reverted to his old ways after she died.]]
died]].
* MassOhCrap: Everyone in Skinny's bar [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when they see Will Munny walk in.]]in]].



* OhCrap: First by Little Bill when Munny confronts him in the saloon, then by Munny as his weapon misfires.
** The Schofield Kid gets one when he hears [[spoiler: that he's the only friend Will has.]]

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* OhCrap: OhCrap:
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First by Little Bill when Munny confronts him in the saloon, then by Munny as his weapon misfires.
** The Schofield Kid gets one when he hears [[spoiler: that [[spoiler:that he's the only friend Will has.]]



* QuickNip

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* QuickNipQuickNip: As is standard for any movie in the genre.



** Something of a BrokenAesop in that case: [[spoiler: While Little Bill went too far in killing Ned and is repeatedly portrayed as a sadist who takes pleasure in doling out his version of justice, he believed the man he killed had murdered the babyfaced and relatively innocentóbut still guilt-riddenóDavey in cold blood just for a quick pay-off. Munny convinced Ned to come along and help him commit a couple of contract killings despite the latter's misgivings; who's really responsible for getting him killed?]]

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** Something of a BrokenAesop in that case: [[spoiler: While [[spoiler:While Little Bill went too far in killing Ned and is repeatedly portrayed as a sadist who takes pleasure in doling out his version of justice, he believed the man he killed had murdered the babyfaced and relatively innocentóbut still guilt-riddenóDavey in cold blood just for a quick pay-off. Munny convinced Ned to come along and help him commit a couple of contract killings despite the latter's misgivings; who's really responsible for getting him killed?]]



* RetiredMonster: There's a reason why Will Munny is Unforgiven. He doesn't seem to really regret his previous life all that much, except when it comes to his deceased wife. But then [[spoiler:[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge Munny got pissed at what they did to Ned.]]]]

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* RetiredMonster: RetiredMonster:
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There's a reason why Will Munny is Unforgiven.unforgiven. He doesn't seem to really regret his previous life all that much, except when it comes to his deceased wife. But then [[spoiler:[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge Munny [[spoiler:Munny got pissed at what they did to Ned.]]]] ]]



* SceneryPorn



* SaloonOwner: Skinny [[spoiler: decides to put Ned's corpse on display (or was told to by Little Bill), prompting Munny to blow him down with a shotgun and deliver one of the best lines of his career: "He should've armed himself, if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend."]]

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* SaloonOwner: Skinny [[spoiler: Skinny. [[spoiler:He decides to put Ned's corpse on display (or was told to by Little Bill), prompting Munny to blow him down with a shotgun and deliver one of the best lines of his career: "He should've armed himself, if he's gonna decorate his saloon with my friend."]]



** The Schofield Kid, arguably: he continually asserts that the two cowboys "had it coming", even while bawling his eyes out from guilt. Munny replies that "We all have it coming, kid".
* TheWestern

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** The Schofield Kid, arguably: Kid: he continually asserts that the two cowboys "had it coming", even while bawling his eyes out from guilt. Munny replies that "We all have it coming, kid".
* TheWestern
kid".



* WhatNowEnding: The fate of the town of Big Whiskey is left up in the air after Will massacres Little Bill and his deputies.
* WhatMeasureIsAMook: Little Bill's deputies get a lot of screen time talking about random stuff, showing they are just a bunch of OK guys just doing their jobs.

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* WhatNowEnding: The fate of the town of Big Whiskey is left up in the air after Will [[spoiler:Will massacres Little Bill and his deputies.
deputies]].
* WhatMeasureIsAMook: Little Bill's deputies get a lot of screen time talking about random stuff, showing they are just a bunch of OK okay guys just doing their jobs.



* AWorldHalfFull: This tale seems to be told in a CrapsackWorld... until we realize that [[spoiler: Claudia]] has been dead for years and she still has influence over Munny... it could be said that this is her tale... how she still manages to be the only light in the TheWestern darkness.
* WouldHitAGirl / WouldHurtAChild: Munny admits that he killed women and children.
* WrongGenreSavvy: The writer who follows Little Bill Daggett around seems to think he's in a simple white hats versus black hats world...whereas it's more akin to a WorldHalfEmpty.
** Arguably nearly everyone in the movie other than Munny and Little Bill, for the same reason mixed with a lot of [[RealityEnsues ugly truth about reality]] of actually living in a 1960's Western.
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* AWorldHalfFull: This tale seems to be told in a CrapsackWorld... until we realize that [[spoiler: Claudia]] [[spoiler:Claudia]] has been dead for years and she still has influence over Munny... it could be said that this is her tale... how she still manages to be the only light in the TheWestern darkness.
* WouldHitAGirl / WouldHurtAChild: WouldHitAGirl[=/=]WouldHurtAChild: Munny admits that he killed women and children.
children.
* WrongGenreSavvy: WrongGenreSavvy:
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The writer who follows Little Bill Daggett around seems to think he's in a simple white hats versus black hats world...whereas it's more akin to a WorldHalfEmpty.
CrapsackWorld.
** Arguably nearly Nearly everyone in the movie other than Munny and Little Bill, for the same reason mixed with a lot of [[RealityEnsues ugly truth about reality]] of actually living in a 1960's Western.
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Western.
11th Mar '16 7:09:01 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** William Munny. Funnily enough, it seems that the real facts about Will Munny's exploits are more fantastical than the urban legends.

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** William Munny. Funnily enough, it seems that the real facts about Will Munny's exploits are more fantastical than the urban legends. He claims he was drunk during most of them that even he isn't clear on the details.
5th Mar '16 10:30:24 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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* AssholeVictim: The brothel owner "Skinny" very cruelly insults Delilah over her scars, and [[spoiler:puts Ned's body on display outside the saloon]]. He should've armed himself before he did that last one.
1st Mar '16 7:19:13 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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The film has gone on to be considered one of the greatest westerns ever made. It won four Academy Awards: Best Picture and Best Director for Clint Eastwood, Best Supporting Actor for Gene Hackman and Best Film Editing for editor Joel Cox.

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The film has gone on to be considered one of the greatest westerns ever made. It won four Academy Awards: Awards (and was nominated for five others), garnering Best Picture and Best Director for Clint Eastwood, Best Supporting Actor for Gene Hackman and Best Film Editing for editor Joel Cox.
1st Mar '16 7:18:14 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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The film has gone on to be considered one of the greatest westerns ever made. It won four Academy Awards: Best Picture and Best Director for Clint Eastwood, Best Supporting Actor for Gene Hackman and Best Film Editing for editor Joel Cox.
1st Mar '16 6:59:47 PM ArcaneAzmadi
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* CampingACrapper: How Schofield Kid killed the second cowboy.
* TheCanKickedHim: [[spoiler: The Schofield Kid kills one of the wanted men while he's sitting in an outhouse.]]

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* CampingACrapper: How [[spoiler:How Schofield Kid killed the second cowboy.
cowboy.]]
* TheCanKickedHim: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Schofield Kid kills one of the wanted marked men while he's sitting in an outhouse.]]
7th Feb '16 5:23:15 AM mrnickname
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* {{Moe}}: Delilah. She's the cutest and most innocent of the prostitutes and even her horrific injuries can't quite take that away completely. [[CryCute She also cries a lot.]]
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