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* EvenEvilHasStandards: A couple of the ATF agents mention that Neo-Nazis were disturbed by Cooper’s vile hatred and that they won’t NOTHING to do with him.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: A couple of the ATF agents mention that Neo-Nazis were disturbed by Cooper’s vile hatred and that they won’t want NOTHING to do with him.
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Writer/director Creator/KevinSmith's first foray into {{horror}}. After the disappointment of his last big studio film ''CopOut'', Smith decided to finally shoot the script he had written years ago during the shooting of ''Film/ZackAndMiriMakeAPorno'' for the smallest budget he's had since ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Stars a few familiar faces Michael Parks, Creator/JohnGoodman, Melissa Leo, and Creator/StephenRoot, and features a few more heavy weight issues than Smith's previous work.
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* TheHeretic: How actual RealLife Christians view the hate-spewing Coopers.
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* AnyoneCanDie: [[spoiler:All three of the initial protagonists, and Cooper's sympathetic daughter Cheyenne.]]
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* BadassPreacher: Pastor Abin Cooper, also a SinisterMinister who executes 'sinners' and 'sodomites', is a trained domestic terrorist. He joins the rest of his church during their shoot-out with the ATF, firing a lever action rifle at the agents to hold off the prolongued siege.
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* BadassPreacher: Pastor Abin Cooper, also a SinisterMinister who executes 'sinners' and 'sodomites', is a trained domestic terrorist. He joins the rest of his church during their shoot-out with the ATF, firing a lever action rifle at the agents to hold off the prolongued prolonged siege.
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Unlike other Kevin Smith films that usually had heart and was usually somewhere in the middle of the scale, ''Red State'' is just pure cynicism.
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Unlike other Kevin Smith films that usually had heart and was usually somewhere in the middle of the scale, ''Red State'' is just pure cynicism.incredibly bleak and uncompromising.
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* HumansAreBastards: While the police officers are just doing their job, even they decide to kill all members of the church when they assume that they might attack.
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism: Unlike other Kevin Smith films that usually had heart and was usually somewhere in the middle of the scale, ''Red State'' is just pure cynicism.
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* [[HaveIMentionedImHeterosexualToday Have I Begged For My Life By Screaming That I'm Heterosexual Today?]]: After being captured by the FPT Church, the boys scream that they're not gay, assuming that that's the only reason the Chruch wants to kill them, in the hopes that they'll be let go.
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* [[HaveIMentionedImHeterosexualToday [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday Have I Begged For My Life By Screaming That I'm Heterosexual Today?]]: After being captured by the FPT Church, the boys scream that they're not gay, assuming that that's the only reason the Chruch wants to kill them, in the hopes that they'll be let go.
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: With the exception of the ATF, everyone else is varying degrees of moral. Keenan and his men are just trying to do their job to take out what is, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist cell and save the hostages. Unfortunately, they have no way of knowing exactly who's a hostage, which means all three of them are gunned down regardless. Even the three boys, while not outwardly cruel, are clearly sleazy.
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: With the exception of the ATF, everyone else is varying degrees of moral. Keenan and his men are just trying to do their job to take out what is, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist cell and save the hostages. Unfortunately, they have no way of knowing exactly who's a hostage, which means all three of them are gunned down regardless. Even the three boys, while not outwardly cruel, are clearly sleazy.
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* [[HaveIMentionedImHeterosexualToday Have I Begged For My Life By Screaming That I'm Heterosexual Today?]]: After being captured by the FPT Church, the boys scream that they're not gay, assuming that that's the only reason the Chruch wants to kill them, in the hopes that they'll be let go.
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* KickedUpstairs: [[spoiler:Agent Keenan, to D.C.]]
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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Well, they ''do'' round up anyone and everyone they even assume are homosexual and brutally murder them, but Cooper occasionally prefaces his opinions on women and homosexuals with "I know it's not politically correct to say, but..."
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* {{Blackmail}}: Cooper tells the closeted gay sheriff not to send any backup or he'll send certain unwholesome pictures to his wife. He ends up [[TakeAThirdOption taking a third option]] by calling in the ATF.
* {{Blackmail}}: Cooper tells the closeted gay sheriff not to send any backup or he'll send certain unwholesome pictures to his wife. He ends up [[TakeAThirdOption taking a third option]] by calling in the ATF.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: The class discussion is pretty much all foreshadowing, especially the ending snippet...
--> '''Teacher''': And what is the Second Amendment?
--> '''Student''': (''in a very pleased tone'') We get guns...
** As well as when the main trio is talking about how one of the women on the website they're looking at is located in Cooper's Dell. Guess where the Five Points Trinity Church is located?
--> '''Teacher''': And what is the Second Amendment?
--> '''Student''': (''in a very pleased tone'') We get guns...
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--> '''Student''': (''in a very pleased tone'') We get guns...
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--> '''Teacher''': And what is the Second Amendment?
--> '''Student''': (''in a very pleased tone'') We get guns...
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* GenreShift: This movie has it in spades. It goes from a raunchy comedy, to a ''{{Hostel}}''-style thriller, to a hostage/siege-type movie with a bit of action/shoot-em-up thrown in.
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* GenreShift: This movie has it in spades. It goes from a raunchy comedy, to a ''{{Hostel}}''-style ''Film/{{Hostel}}''-style thriller, to a hostage/siege-type movie with a bit of action/shoot-em-up thrown in.
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* CruelMercy: At the end of the film, [[spoiler:Keenan's superiors point out that they don't have to kill Cooper to keep him quiet. Instead they'll lock him away in a federal prison forever under the pretext of terrorism, where there is a high chance he'll be raped by the homosexuals he despises so much.]]
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* CruelMercy: At the end of the film, [[spoiler:Keenan's superiors point out that they don't have to kill Cooper to keep him quiet. Instead they'll lock him away in a federal prison forever under the pretext of terrorism, where there is a high chance [[PrisonRape he'll be raped raped]] by the homosexuals he despises so much.]]
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* DecoyProtagonist: [[spoiler:We barely find out anything about Billy Ray, Travis and Jarod except that they would have sex even with unknown women. The real protagonist turns out to be Joseph Keenan or Abin Cooper]].
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* DecoyProtagonist: [[spoiler:We barely find out anything about Billy Ray, Travis Travis, and Jarod except that they would have sex even with unknown women. The real protagonist turns out to be Joseph Keenan or Abin Cooper]].
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* EvilVsEvil: The Five Points Trinity Church is killing gays and promiscuous teens out of religious mania. Then the ATF shows up, decides they are ''all'' terrorists and decides to murder every single parishioner, including the children.
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* EvilVsEvil: The Five Points Trinity Church is killing gays and promiscuous teens out of religious mania. Then the ATF shows up, decides they are ''all'' terrorists terrorists, and decides to murder every single parishioner, including the children.
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* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away...[[spoiler: only for him to get shot by the sheriff who has joined the ATF who have surrounded the church]].
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* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away...[[spoiler: only [[spoiler:only for him to get shot by the sheriff who has joined the ATF who have surrounded the church]].
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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound, violence and the actions of the ATF are similar to David Koresh and the Branch Dividian Compound tragedy from the early 90's.
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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound, violence violence, and the actions of the ATF are similar to David Koresh and the Branch Dividian Compound tragedy from the early 90's.
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* WriterOnBoard: An interesting case. While it's certainly a straight example, WordOfGod is that Kevin Smith considers ''Red State'''s religious and sexual politics to have been misstep, as they caused viewers to put [[OvershadowedByControversy too much focus on the those aspects]] rather than taking the film on its own merits. His next attempt at horror, ''Film/{{Tusk}}'', has no political influences at all.
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* WriterOnBoard: An interesting case. While it's certainly a straight example, WordOfGod is that Kevin Smith considers ''Red State'''s religious and sexual politics to have been a misstep, as they caused viewers to put [[OvershadowedByControversy too much focus on the those aspects]] rather than taking the film on its own merits. His next attempt at horror, ''Film/{{Tusk}}'', has no political influences at all.
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Writer/director Creator/KevinSmith's first foray into {{horror}}. After the disappointment of his last big studio film ''CopOut'', Smith decided to finally shoot the script he had written years ago during the shooting of ''Film/ZackAndMiriMakeAPorno'' for the smallest budget he's had since ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Stars [[HeyItsThatGuy a few familiar faces]] and features a few more heavy weight issues than Smith's previous work.
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Writer/director Creator/KevinSmith's first foray into {{horror}}. After the disappointment of his last big studio film ''CopOut'', Smith decided to finally shoot the script he had written years ago during the shooting of ''Film/ZackAndMiriMakeAPorno'' for the smallest budget he's had since ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Stars [[HeyItsThatGuy a few familiar faces]] faces and features a few more heavy weight issues than Smith's previous work.
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* IronyAsSheIsCast: LA radio DJ Ralph Garmin plays a mute.
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* ShutUpHannibal: [[spoiler:In the last scene, Cooper is pacing around his cell singing and sermonizing to himself until another prisoner (played by Creator/KevinSmith) tells him to "shut the fuck up".]]
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* BadassPreacher: Pastor Abin Cooper, also a SinisterMinister who executes 'sinners' and 'sodomites', is a trained domestic terrorist. He joins the rest of his church during their shoot-out with the ATF, firing an assault rifle at the agents to hold off the prolongued siege.
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* BadassPreacher: Pastor Abin Cooper, also a SinisterMinister who executes 'sinners' and 'sodomites', is a trained domestic terrorist. He joins the rest of his church during their shoot-out with the ATF, firing an assault a lever action rifle at the agents to hold off the prolongued siege.
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* EasterEgg: Five Points Trinity, hunh? More like [[ViewAskewniverse Five Part Trilogy]].
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* TakeThat: Towards the Westborough Baptist Church. The plot is more or less "What if the WBC actually hurt people and weren't just annoying?"
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* TakeThat: Towards the Westborough Westboro Baptist Church. The plot is more or less "What if the WBC actually hurt people and weren't just annoying?"
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Writer/director KevinSmith's first foray into {{horror}}. After the disappointment of his last big studio film ''CopOut'', Smith decided to finally shoot the script he had written years ago during the shooting of ''Film/ZackAndMiriMakeAPorno'' for the smallest budget he's had since ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Stars [[HeyItsThatGuy a few familiar faces]] and features a few more heavy weight issues than Smith's previous work.
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Writer/director KevinSmith's Creator/KevinSmith's first foray into {{horror}}. After the disappointment of his last big studio film ''CopOut'', Smith decided to finally shoot the script he had written years ago during the shooting of ''Film/ZackAndMiriMakeAPorno'' for the smallest budget he's had since ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Stars [[HeyItsThatGuy a few familiar faces]] and features a few more heavy weight issues than Smith's previous work.
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* EntitledBastard: When Cheyenne begs Jared to help her get the children out, he refuses and points out the hypocrisy of demanding mercy from him when she and her family were happy enough to kill and torture innocent people due to their religious beliefs.
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* WriterOnBoard: An interesting case. While it's certainly a straight example, WordOfGod is that Kevin Smith considers ''Red State'''s religious and sexual politics to have been misstep, as they caused viewers to put [[OvershadowedByControversy too much focus on the those aspects]] rather than taking the film on its own merits. His next attempt at horror, ''Film/{{Tusk}}'', has no political influences at all.
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* ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge: While everyone else in the Five Points Trinity Church uses some kind of [[MoreDakka modern assault rifle]], Cooper (who's clearly older than almost every other member) sticks with a nice bolt action hunting rifle.
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* ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge: While everyone else in the Five Points Trinity Church uses some kind of [[MoreDakka modern assault rifle]], rifle or submachine gun]], Cooper (who's clearly older than almost every other member) sticks with a nice bolt lever action hunting rifle.
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* BadassPreacher: Cooper likes to think he (and his father and grandfather) are this when, in fact, he's a SinisterMinister.
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* BadassPreacher: Cooper likes to think he (and Pastor Abin Cooper, also a SinisterMinister who executes 'sinners' and 'sodomites', is a trained domestic terrorist. He joins the rest of his father and grandfather) are this when, in fact, he's a SinisterMinister.church during their shoot-out with the ATF, firing an assault rifle at the agents to hold off the prolongued siege.
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* NoodleIncident: Keenan and his subordinates talk about how last time the ATF had not as much luck during a similar incident and the FBI had to relieve them. They are, of course, talking about the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Waco siege]], even though it's not mentioned by name or situation.
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* EvilVsEvil: The Five Points Trinity Church is killing gays and promiscuous teens out of religious mania. Then the ATF shows up, decides they are ''all'' terrorists and decides to murder every single parishioner, including the children.
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The film starts with three teens attempting to procure sex from a woman who lives in the outskirts of their southern town. Things don't result in quite that much sex however, as the boys end up being kidnapped by the local extreme fundamentalist Christian Five Points Trinity Church, situated in nearby Cooper's Dell. From there, it's all bloodshed, artillery and some transitions between the characters it focuses on.
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The film starts with three teens attempting to procure sex from a woman who lives in the outskirts of their southern Southern town. Things don't result in quite that much sex sex, however, as the boys end up being kidnapped by the local extreme fundamentalist Christian Five Points Trinity Church, the local extremely [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist Christian]] church, situated in nearby Cooper's Dell. From there, it's all bloodshed, artillery and some transitions between the characters it focuses on.
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* AnyoneCanDie: [[spoiler: All three of the initial protagonists, and sympathetic Cooper daughter Cheyenne.]]
* {{Blackmail}}: Abin Cooper tells the closeted gay sheriff not to send any backup or he'll send certain unwholesome pictures to his wife. He ends up [[TakeAThirdOption taking a third option]] by calling in the ATF.
* AllGaysArePromiscuous: The Five Points Trinity Church seems to hold this belief with the way Abin Cooper preaches about them.
* {{Blackmail}}: Abin Cooper tells the closeted gay sheriff not to send any backup or he'll send certain unwholesome pictures to his wife. He ends up [[TakeAThirdOption taking a third option]] by calling in the ATF.
* AllGaysArePromiscuous: The Five Points Trinity Church seems to hold this belief with the way Abin Cooper preaches about them.
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* AnyoneCanDie: [[spoiler: All [[spoiler:All three of the initial protagonists, and Cooper's sympathetic Cooper daughter Cheyenne.]]
* {{Blackmail}}:Abin Cooper tells the closeted gay sheriff not to send any backup or he'll send certain unwholesome pictures to his wife. He ends up [[TakeAThirdOption taking a third option]] by calling in the ATF.
* AllGaysArePromiscuous: The Five Points Trinity Church seems to hold this belief with the wayAbin Cooper preaches about them.
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* BadassPreacher: Abin likes to think he (and his father and grandfather) are this, when in fact he's a SinisterMinister.
* BitterSweetEnding: [[spoiler: Sure, every member of the Five Trinity's Church is arrested or killed, but the main trio are all dead as well as the only redeemable Cooper family member, Cheyenne.]]
* BlackAndBlackMorality: Sure, what the Five Points Trinity Church is doing is sure as hell wrong and immoral, but deciding to execute every last one of them, including the children, just to save face is a really screwed up thing to do on the ATF's part.
* BoomHeadShot!: Abin Cooper manages to pull this on Agent Brooks. Doubles as an EyeScream too!
* BulletHolesAndRevelations: Happens between [[spoiler: Sarah and her daughter Cheyenne. Sarah loses.]]
* BitterSweetEnding: [[spoiler: Sure, every member of the Five Trinity's Church is arrested or killed, but the main trio are all dead as well as the only redeemable Cooper family member, Cheyenne.]]
* BlackAndBlackMorality: Sure, what the Five Points Trinity Church is doing is sure as hell wrong and immoral, but deciding to execute every last one of them, including the children, just to save face is a really screwed up thing to do on the ATF's part.
* BoomHeadShot!: Abin Cooper manages to pull this on Agent Brooks. Doubles as an EyeScream too!
* BulletHolesAndRevelations: Happens between [[spoiler: Sarah and her daughter Cheyenne. Sarah loses.]]
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* BadassPreacher: Abin Cooper likes to think he (and his father and grandfather) are this, when this when, in fact fact, he's a SinisterMinister.
*BitterSweetEnding: [[spoiler: Sure, BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler:Sure, every member of the Five Trinity's Points Trinity Church is arrested or killed, but the main trio are all dead as well as Cheyenne, the only redeemable Cooper family member, Cheyenne.member.]]
* BlackAndBlackMorality: Sure, what the Five Points Trinity Church is doing is sure as hell wrong and immoral, but deciding to execute every last one of them, including the children, just to save face is a reallyscrewed up screwed-up thing to do on the ATF's part.
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* BulletHolesAndRevelations: Happens between[[spoiler: Sarah [[spoiler:Sarah and her daughter Cheyenne. Sarah loses.]]
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* CrazyPrepared: The Five Points Trinity Church is this to an extent. After some people set off an IED in their yard, they build a wall around their church AKA, "The Great Wall of Bullshit", set up security cameras on their property as well as a electric locking gate (although, it is waist high) and stock up on high-powered guns which they have modified to be automatic. Also, they [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking don't allow anybody but family members in their church.]]
* CreatorCameo: Pretty hard to catch on the first viewing, but Smith is [[spoiler: the voice of the off camera prisoner who tells the Abin Cooper, "Shut the fuck up!" as he rambles in his cell.]]
* CreatorCameo: Pretty hard to catch on the first viewing, but Smith is [[spoiler: the voice of the off camera prisoner who tells the Abin Cooper, "Shut the fuck up!" as he rambles in his cell.]]
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* CrazyPrepared: The Five Points Trinity Church is this to an extent. After some people set off an IED in their yard, they build a wall around their church AKA, (AKA "The Great Wall of Bullshit", Bullshit"), set up security cameras on their property as well as a electric locking gate (although, it is waist high) and stock up on high-powered guns which they have modified to be automatic. Also, they [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking don't allow anybody but family members in their church.]]
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* CreatorCameo: Pretty hard to catch on the first viewing, but Smith is[[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the voice of the off camera off-camera prisoner who tells the Abin Cooper, Cooper "Shut the fuck up!" as he rambles in his cell.]]
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** As well when the main trio is talking about how one of the women on the website they're looking at is located in Cooper's Dell. Guess where the Five Points Trinity Church is located?
* DecoyProtagonist: [[spoiler: We barely find out anything about Billy Ray, Travis and Jarod except that they would do have sex even with unknown women. The real protagonist turns out to be Joseph Keenan or Abin Cooper]].
* DevelopingDoomedCharacters: Exactly 13 minutes, 12 seconds before the horror starts. Most of it is getting to the incident, and establishing the sheriff and Cooper.
--> "''Student: (in a very pleased tone) We get guns...''"
** As well when the main trio is talking about how one of the women on the website they're looking at is located in Cooper's Dell. Guess where the Five Points Trinity Church is located?
* DecoyProtagonist: [[spoiler: We barely find out anything about Billy Ray, Travis and Jarod except that they would do have sex even with unknown women. The real protagonist turns out to be Joseph Keenan or Abin Cooper]].
* DevelopingDoomedCharacters: Exactly 13 minutes, 12 seconds before the horror starts. Most of it is getting to the incident, and establishing the sheriff and Cooper.
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Amendment?
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** As well as when the main trio is talking about how one of the women on the website they're looking at is located in Cooper's Dell. Guess where the Five Points Trinity Church is located?
* DecoyProtagonist:[[spoiler: We [[spoiler:We barely find out anything about Billy Ray, Travis and Jarod except that they would do have sex even with unknown women. The real protagonist turns out to be Joseph Keenan or Abin Cooper]].
* DevelopingDoomedCharacters: Exactly 13 minutes, 12 seconds before the horror starts. Most of it is getting to the incident, and establishing the sheriff and Cooper.
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* ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge: While everyone else in the Five Points Trinity Church uses some kind of [[MoreDakka modern assault rifle]], Abin Cooper (who's clearly older than almost every other member) sticks with a nice bolt action hunting rifle.
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Aside from their homicidal [[TheFundamentalist religious extremism]], the Coopers are just one big, happy southern family, and Cheyenne risks her life trying to get the little ones to safety.
* {{Expy}}: Subverted. Initially, it seems like the Five Points Church is an Expy for the Westboro Baptist Church, but close to the end of the movie, the actual WBC is mentioned, as a way of emphasizing exactly how dangerous Five Points is.
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Aside from their homicidal [[TheFundamentalist religious extremism]], the Coopers are just one big, happy southern family, and Cheyenne risks her life trying to get the little ones to safety.
* {{Expy}}: Subverted. Initially, it seems like the Five Points Church is an Expy for the Westboro Baptist Church, but close to the end of the movie, the actual WBC is mentioned, as a way of emphasizing exactly how dangerous Five Points is.
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* ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge: While everyone else in the Five Points Trinity Church uses some kind of [[MoreDakka modern assault rifle]], Abin Cooper (who's clearly older than almost every other member) sticks with a nice bolt action hunting rifle.
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Aside from their homicidal [[TheFundamentalist religious extremism]], the Coopers are just one big, happysouthern Southern family, and Cheyenne risks her life trying to get the little ones to safety.
* {{Expy}}: Subverted. Initially, it seems like the Five Points Church is an Expy for the Westboro Baptist Church, but close to the end of the movie, the actual WBC ismentioned, mentioned as a way of emphasizing exactly how dangerous Five Points is.
* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Aside from their homicidal [[TheFundamentalist religious extremism]], the Coopers are just one big, happy
* {{Expy}}: Subverted. Initially, it seems like the Five Points Church is an Expy for the Westboro Baptist Church, but close to the end of the movie, the actual WBC is
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* GenreShift: This movie has it in spades. It goes from a raunchy comedy, to a Hostel-style thriller, to a hostage/siege-type movie with a bit of action/shoot-em-up thrown in.
* GiveMeASign: Played straight, then subverted and lampshaded.
* AGoodWayToDie: Abin Cooper certainly believes [[SuicideByCop dying fighting government enforcers]] (of a government willing to tolerate homosexuals) is one, and he has most of his family convinced of that too.
* HalfwayPlotSwitch: Goes with the GenreShift, obviously. The first half of the movie is about Travis, Jared and Billy Ray trying to flee from the Coopers' compound. Then [[spoiler: Travis gets shot by the Sheriff. The second half of the movie is about Agent Keenan's team and the Coopers firing at each other, with Jared and Cheyenne caught in the middle]].
* GiveMeASign: Played straight, then subverted and lampshaded.
* AGoodWayToDie: Abin Cooper certainly believes [[SuicideByCop dying fighting government enforcers]] (of a government willing to tolerate homosexuals) is one, and he has most of his family convinced of that too.
* HalfwayPlotSwitch: Goes with the GenreShift, obviously. The first half of the movie is about Travis, Jared and Billy Ray trying to flee from the Coopers' compound. Then [[spoiler: Travis gets shot by the Sheriff. The second half of the movie is about Agent Keenan's team and the Coopers firing at each other, with Jared and Cheyenne caught in the middle]].
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* GenreShift: This movie has it in spades. It goes from a raunchy comedy, to a Hostel-style ''{{Hostel}}''-style thriller, to a hostage/siege-type movie with a bit of action/shoot-em-up thrown in.
* GiveMeASign: Played straight, then subverted andlampshaded.
[[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]].
* AGoodWayToDie:Abin Cooper certainly believes [[SuicideByCop dying fighting government enforcers]] (of a government willing to tolerate homosexuals) is one, and he has most of his family convinced of that too.
* HalfwayPlotSwitch: Goes with the GenreShift, obviously. The first half of the movie is about Travis, Jared and Billy Ray trying to flee from the Coopers' compound. Then[[spoiler: Travis [[spoiler:Travis gets shot by the Sheriff. The second half of the movie is about Agent Keenan's team and the Coopers firing at each other, with Jared and Cheyenne caught in the middle]].
* GiveMeASign: Played straight, then subverted and
* AGoodWayToDie:
* HalfwayPlotSwitch: Goes with the GenreShift, obviously. The first half of the movie is about Travis, Jared and Billy Ray trying to flee from the Coopers' compound. Then
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* HoneyTrap: The members of the Five Points Trinity church use this method (primarily via internet personals) to draw in "perverts" for them to purge.
* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away... [[spoiler: only for him to get shot by the sheriff who has joined the ATF who have surrounded the church.]]
* IdiotBall: When the deputy hears the shots fired from inside the church, he makes no effort to take cover while calling in back-up, despite having plenty of time to do so.
* InfantImmortality: Although Keenan's superiors wish to avert this, Cheyenne's actions (combined with a lot of dumb luck) manage to play it straight. [[spoiler: As long as you don't count the main trio and Cheyenne dying...]]
* IronyAsSheIsCast: LA radio DJ Ralph Garmin plays a mute
* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away... [[spoiler: only for him to get shot by the sheriff who has joined the ATF who have surrounded the church.]]
* IdiotBall: When the deputy hears the shots fired from inside the church, he makes no effort to take cover while calling in back-up, despite having plenty of time to do so.
* InfantImmortality: Although Keenan's superiors wish to avert this, Cheyenne's actions (combined with a lot of dumb luck) manage to play it straight. [[spoiler: As long as you don't count the main trio and Cheyenne dying...]]
* IronyAsSheIsCast: LA radio DJ Ralph Garmin plays a mute
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* HoneyTrap: The members of the Five Points Trinity church use this method (primarily via internet personals) to draw in "perverts" for them to purge.
purge.
* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away... [[spoiler: only for him to get shot by the sheriff who has joined the ATF who have surrounded the church.]]
church]].
* IdiotBall: When the deputy hears the shots fired from inside the church, he makes no effort to take cover while calling inback-up, backup, despite having plenty of time to do so.
so.
* InfantImmortality: Although Keenan's superiors wish to avert this, Cheyenne's actions (combined with a lot of dumb luck) manage to play it straight.[[spoiler: As [[spoiler:As long as you don't count the main trio and Cheyenne dying...]]
* IronyAsSheIsCast: LA radio DJ Ralph Garmin plays amutemute.
* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away...
* IdiotBall: When the deputy hears the shots fired from inside the church, he makes no effort to take cover while calling in
* InfantImmortality: Although Keenan's superiors wish to avert this, Cheyenne's actions (combined with a lot of dumb luck) manage to play it straight.
* IronyAsSheIsCast: LA radio DJ Ralph Garmin plays a
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* MoeGreeneSpecial: [[spoiler: Happens to Agent Brooks]].
* MoralMyopia: Abin Cooper spells right out that he believes that the Biblical prohibition "thou shalt not kill" applies only to other members of the faith. However, no one outside his extended family is "faithful" enough for his standards.
* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound, violence, and the actions of the ATF are similar to David Koresh and the Branch Dividian Compound tragedy from the early 90's.
* MoralMyopia: Abin Cooper spells right out that he believes that the Biblical prohibition "thou shalt not kill" applies only to other members of the faith. However, no one outside his extended family is "faithful" enough for his standards.
* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound, violence, and the actions of the ATF are similar to David Koresh and the Branch Dividian Compound tragedy from the early 90's.
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* MoeGreeneSpecial: [[spoiler: Happens [[spoiler:Happens to Agent Brooks]].
* MoralMyopia:Abin Cooper spells right out that he believes that the Biblical prohibition "thou shalt not kill" applies only to other members of the faith. However, no one outside his extended family is "faithful" enough for his standards.
standards.
* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound,violence, violence and the actions of the ATF are similar to David Koresh and the Branch Dividian Compound tragedy from the early 90's.
* MoralMyopia:
* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound,
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* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: Agent Kennan describes subduing Abin Cooper with a headbutt, which we tragically do not get to see.
* OnlyAFleshWound: [[spoiler: Keenan (John Goodman)]] has some shrapnel skull fragmets tear into his thigh, but it doesn't give him more than the faintest limp.
* ThePatriarch: Abin Cooper is a villainous example of this archetype.
* OnlyAFleshWound: [[spoiler: Keenan (John Goodman)]] has some shrapnel skull fragmets tear into his thigh, but it doesn't give him more than the faintest limp.
* ThePatriarch: Abin Cooper is a villainous example of this archetype.
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* OffscreenMomentOfAwesome: Agent Kennan describes subduing Abin Cooper with a headbutt, which we tragically do not get to see.
* OnlyAFleshWound:[[spoiler: Keenan [[spoiler:Keenan (John Goodman)]] has some shrapnel skull fragmets fragments tear into his thigh, but it doesn't give him more than the faintest limp.
* ThePatriarch:Abin Cooper is a villainous example of this archetype.
* OnlyAFleshWound:
* ThePatriarch:
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* PoliceBrutality: The ATF decides to cover up the Sheriff's accidental shooting by ''killing everyone in the house.''
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* PoliceBrutality: The ATF decides to cover up the Sheriff's accidental shooting by ''killing everyone in the house.''house''.
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* ReligiousHorror: The Five Points church members are partly inspired by Fred Phelps and his flock, though they go him one better and [[spoiler:lure "sinners" over the Internet and kill them]].
* RightWingMilitiaFanatic: The Coopers, overlapping with ChurchMilitant, above. [[UpToEleven So far to the right]], in fact, that [[EvenEvilHasStandards even]] the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Nazis]] think they're [[GoshDangItToHeck "nucking futs"]].
* RippedFromTheHeadlines: Abin Cooper is sort of a mix of Fred Phelps and David Koresh; the climax explicitly recalls the Waco siege at the Branch Davidian compound.
* SinisterMinister: Abin Cooper, who also has a [[BeardOfEvil Beard of Evil]], plays this trope to the hilt.
* SuicideByCop: The Five Points Trinity Church seems pretty damned determined to pull this off once their cover as a "peaceful, but angry and protestant church" is blown and most of them are pretty successful.
* TheVoiceless: Caleb never speaks. He's portrayed ironically by Ralph Garmin, a radio DJ.
* RightWingMilitiaFanatic: The Coopers, overlapping with ChurchMilitant, above. [[UpToEleven So far to the right]], in fact, that [[EvenEvilHasStandards even]] the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Nazis]] think they're [[GoshDangItToHeck "nucking futs"]].
* RippedFromTheHeadlines: Abin Cooper is sort of a mix of Fred Phelps and David Koresh; the climax explicitly recalls the Waco siege at the Branch Davidian compound.
* SinisterMinister: Abin Cooper, who also has a [[BeardOfEvil Beard of Evil]], plays this trope to the hilt.
* SuicideByCop: The Five Points Trinity Church seems pretty damned determined to pull this off once their cover as a "peaceful, but angry and protestant church" is blown and most of them are pretty successful.
* TheVoiceless: Caleb never speaks. He's portrayed ironically by Ralph Garmin, a radio DJ.
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* ReligiousHorror: The Five Points church Trinity Church members are partly inspired by Fred Phelps and his flock, though they go him one better and [[spoiler:lure "sinners" over the Internet and kill them]].
* RightWingMilitiaFanatic: The Coopers, overlapping with ChurchMilitant, above. [[UpToEleven So far to the right]], in fact, that [[EvenEvilHasStandards even]] the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Nazis]] think they're[[GoshDangItToHeck "nucking futs"]].
"[[GoshDangItToHeck nucking futs]]."
* RippedFromTheHeadlines:Abin Cooper is sort of a mix of Fred Phelps and David Koresh; the climax explicitly recalls the Waco siege at the Branch Davidian compound.
* SinisterMinister:Abin Cooper, who also has a [[BeardOfEvil Beard of Evil]], plays this trope to the hilt.
* SuicideByCop: The Five Points Trinity Church seems pretty damned determined to pull this off once their cover as a "peaceful, but angry andprotestant Protestant church" is blown and most of them are pretty successful.
* TheVoiceless: Caleb never speaks. He's portrayed ironically by Ralph Garmin, a radio DJ.
* RightWingMilitiaFanatic: The Coopers, overlapping with ChurchMilitant, above. [[UpToEleven So far to the right]], in fact, that [[EvenEvilHasStandards even]] the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName neo-Nazis]] think they're
* RippedFromTheHeadlines:
* SinisterMinister:
* SuicideByCop: The Five Points Trinity Church seems pretty damned determined to pull this off once their cover as a "peaceful, but angry and
* TheVoiceless: Caleb never speaks. He's portrayed ironically by Ralph Garmin, a radio DJ.
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--> '''Agent Keenan''': ''[on the phone]'' "No, that's the Westboro Baptist Church. You know, 'God Hates Fags'? They're suers, not doers."