History Film / RedState

8th May '17 11:57:21 AM NWolfman
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* [[HaveIMentionedImHeterosexualToday Have I Begged For My Life By Screaming That I'm Heterosexual Today?]]: After being captured by the FPT Church, the boys scream that they're not gay, assuming that that's the only reason the Chruch wants to kill them, in the hopes that they'll be let go.

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* [[HaveIMentionedImHeterosexualToday [[HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday Have I Begged For My Life By Screaming That I'm Heterosexual Today?]]: After being captured by the FPT Church, the boys scream that they're not gay, assuming that that's the only reason the Chruch wants to kill them, in the hopes that they'll be let go.
8th May '17 11:56:59 AM NWolfman
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: With the exception of the ATF, everyone else is varying degrees of moral. Keenan and his men are just trying to do their job to take out what is, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist cell and save the hostages. Unfortunately, they have no way of knowing exactly who's a hostage, which means all three of them are gunned down regardless. Even the three boys, while not outwardly cruel, are clearly sleazy.

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* BlackAndGreyMorality: With the exception of the ATF, everyone else is varying degrees of moral. Keenan and his men are just trying to do their job to take out what is, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist cell and save the hostages. Unfortunately, they have no way of knowing exactly who's a hostage, which means all three of them are gunned down regardless. Even the three boys, while not outwardly cruel, are clearly sleazy.
8th May '17 11:55:38 AM NWolfman
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* [[HaveIMentionedImHeterosexualToday Have I Begged For My Life By Screaming That I'm Heterosexual Today?]]: After being captured by the FPT Church, the boys scream that they're not gay, assuming that that's the only reason the Chruch wants to kill them, in the hopes that they'll be let go.



* KickedUpstairs: [[spoiler:Agent Keenan, to D.C.]]

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* KickedUpstairs: [[spoiler:Agent Keenan, to D.C.]]]] Though it's clear from his voice that he does ''not'' want to be rewarded for what he's done.
8th May '17 11:45:02 AM NWolfman
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* BlackAndGreyMorality: With the exception of the ATF, everyone else is varying degrees of moral. Keenan and his men are just trying to do their job to take out what is, for all intents and purposes, a terrorist cell and save the hostages. Unfortunately, they have no way of knowing exactly who's a hostage, which means all three of them are gunned down regardless. Even the three boys, while not outwardly cruel, are clearly sleazy.


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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Well, they ''do'' round up anyone and everyone they even assume are homosexual and brutally murder them, but Cooper occasionally prefaces his opinions on women and homosexuals with "I know it's not politically correct to say, but..."
2nd Mar '17 12:32:40 AM Fireblood
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* {{Blackmail}}: Cooper tells the closeted gay sheriff not to send any backup or he'll send certain unwholesome pictures to his wife. He ends up [[TakeAThirdOption taking a third option]] by calling in the ATF.



* {{Blackmail}}: Cooper tells the closeted gay sheriff not to send any backup or he'll send certain unwholesome pictures to his wife. He ends up [[TakeAThirdOption taking a third option]] by calling in the ATF.



* {{Foreshadowing}}: The class discussion is pretty much all foreshadowing, especially the ending snippet...
--> '''Teacher''': And what is the Second Amendment?
--> '''Student''': (''in a very pleased tone'') We get guns...
** As well as when the main trio is talking about how one of the women on the website they're looking at is located in Cooper's Dell. Guess where the Five Points Trinity Church is located?


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* {{Foreshadowing}}: The class discussion is pretty much all foreshadowing, especially the ending snippet...
--> '''Teacher''': And what is the Second Amendment?
--> '''Student''': (''in a very pleased tone'') We get guns...
** As well as when the main trio is talking about how one of the women on the website they're looking at is located in Cooper's Dell. Guess where the Five Points Trinity Church is located?
21st Jan '17 5:47:06 AM Morgenthaler
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* GenreShift: This movie has it in spades. It goes from a raunchy comedy, to a ''{{Hostel}}''-style thriller, to a hostage/siege-type movie with a bit of action/shoot-em-up thrown in.

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* GenreShift: This movie has it in spades. It goes from a raunchy comedy, to a ''{{Hostel}}''-style ''Film/{{Hostel}}''-style thriller, to a hostage/siege-type movie with a bit of action/shoot-em-up thrown in.
8th Oct '16 9:09:02 AM Luigifan
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* CruelMercy: At the end of the film, [[spoiler:Keenan's superiors point out that they don't have to kill Cooper to keep him quiet. Instead they'll lock him away in a federal prison forever under the pretext of terrorism, where there is a high chance he'll be raped by the homosexuals he despises so much.]]

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* CruelMercy: At the end of the film, [[spoiler:Keenan's superiors point out that they don't have to kill Cooper to keep him quiet. Instead they'll lock him away in a federal prison forever under the pretext of terrorism, where there is a high chance [[PrisonRape he'll be raped raped]] by the homosexuals he despises so much.]]



* DecoyProtagonist: [[spoiler:We barely find out anything about Billy Ray, Travis and Jarod except that they would have sex even with unknown women. The real protagonist turns out to be Joseph Keenan or Abin Cooper]].

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* DecoyProtagonist: [[spoiler:We barely find out anything about Billy Ray, Travis Travis, and Jarod except that they would have sex even with unknown women. The real protagonist turns out to be Joseph Keenan or Abin Cooper]].



* EvilVsEvil: The Five Points Trinity Church is killing gays and promiscuous teens out of religious mania. Then the ATF shows up, decides they are ''all'' terrorists and decides to murder every single parishioner, including the children.

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* EvilVsEvil: The Five Points Trinity Church is killing gays and promiscuous teens out of religious mania. Then the ATF shows up, decides they are ''all'' terrorists terrorists, and decides to murder every single parishioner, including the children.



* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away...[[spoiler: only for him to get shot by the sheriff who has joined the ATF who have surrounded the church]].

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* HopeSpot: When Travis makes his daring escape, he manages to make it out and you really think he's going to get away...[[spoiler: only [[spoiler:only for him to get shot by the sheriff who has joined the ATF who have surrounded the church]].



* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound, violence and the actions of the ATF are similar to David Koresh and the Branch Dividian Compound tragedy from the early 90's.

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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: The cult compound, violence violence, and the actions of the ATF are similar to David Koresh and the Branch Dividian Compound tragedy from the early 90's.



* WriterOnBoard: An interesting case. While it's certainly a straight example, WordOfGod is that Kevin Smith considers ''Red State'''s religious and sexual politics to have been misstep, as they caused viewers to put [[OvershadowedByControversy too much focus on the those aspects]] rather than taking the film on its own merits. His next attempt at horror, ''Film/{{Tusk}}'', has no political influences at all.

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* WriterOnBoard: An interesting case. While it's certainly a straight example, WordOfGod is that Kevin Smith considers ''Red State'''s religious and sexual politics to have been a misstep, as they caused viewers to put [[OvershadowedByControversy too much focus on the those aspects]] rather than taking the film on its own merits. His next attempt at horror, ''Film/{{Tusk}}'', has no political influences at all.
22nd Apr '16 6:11:57 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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Writer/director Creator/KevinSmith's first foray into {{horror}}. After the disappointment of his last big studio film ''CopOut'', Smith decided to finally shoot the script he had written years ago during the shooting of ''Film/ZackAndMiriMakeAPorno'' for the smallest budget he's had since ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Stars [[HeyItsThatGuy a few familiar faces]] and features a few more heavy weight issues than Smith's previous work.

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Writer/director Creator/KevinSmith's first foray into {{horror}}. After the disappointment of his last big studio film ''CopOut'', Smith decided to finally shoot the script he had written years ago during the shooting of ''Film/ZackAndMiriMakeAPorno'' for the smallest budget he's had since ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Stars [[HeyItsThatGuy a few familiar faces]] faces and features a few more heavy weight issues than Smith's previous work.
19th Apr '16 11:54:14 AM Morgenthaler
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* IronyAsSheIsCast: LA radio DJ Ralph Garmin plays a mute.
26th Feb '16 5:26:20 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* ShutUpHannibal: [[spoiler:In the last scene, Cooper is pacing around his cell singing and sermonizing to himself until another prisoner (played by Creator/KevinSmith) tells him to "shut the fuck up".]]
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