History Film / FortApache

10th Sep '16 10:24:07 AM YT45
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* BeautyEqualsGoodness: In spades with Lt. Mickey O'Rourke, who is very much presented as MrFanservice early in the movie. Inverted with Sergeant Mulcahy.

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* BeautyEqualsGoodness: In spades with Lt. Mickey O'Rourke, who is very much presented as MrFanservice early in the movie. Inverted with Sergeant Mulcahy.Mulcahy, an ugly bastard and a very good guy.
4th Sep '16 6:19:10 PM YT45
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* ConflictingLoyalty: The film explores this a lot especially with family relationships vs. army, starting with a scene at the beginning in which the Sergeants first flawlessly salute 2nd lieutenant O'Rourke, then playfully spank him. And then big softy Sgt. Mulcahy goes all misty-eyed as he proudly introduces his godson to Philadelphia. The thing is that these concurrent relationships result in different hierarchies -- Sgt.-Major O'Rourke is his son's and Col. Thursday's inferior on duty, but still on occasion can assert his authority as a father on Lt. O'Rourke (unless Mrs. O'Rourke decides to assert hers as Woman of the House) and can show Col. Thursday the door when he intrudes into his home.

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* ConflictingLoyalty: The film explores this a lot especially with family relationships vs. army, starting with a scene at the beginning in which the Sergeants first flawlessly salute 2nd lieutenant O'Rourke, then playfully spank him.him (having served with his father, they've known him all his life, and he even calls them his uncles). And then big softy Sgt. Mulcahy goes all misty-eyed as he proudly introduces his godson to Philadelphia. The thing is that these concurrent relationships result in different hierarchies -- Sgt.-Major O'Rourke is his son's and Col. Thursday's inferior on duty, but still on occasion can assert his authority as a father on Lt. O'Rourke (unless Mrs. O'Rourke decides to assert hers as Woman of the House) and can show Col. Thursday the door when he intrudes into his home.
10th Jul '16 9:00:10 PM JulianLapostat
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* NoHistoricalFiguresWereHamed: Colonel Owen Thursday is quite obviously derived from General George Armstrong Custer, as was admitted by John Ford himself to Peter Bogdanovich in later interviews.

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* NoHistoricalFiguresWereHamed: NoHistoricalFiguresWereHarmed: Colonel Owen Thursday is quite obviously derived from General George Armstrong Custer, as was admitted by John Ford himself to Peter Bogdanovich in later interviews.
10th Jul '16 8:59:49 PM JulianLapostat
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* NoHistoricalFiguresWereHamed: Colonel Owen Thursday is quite obviously derived from General George Armstrong Custer, as was admitted by John Ford himself to Peter Bogdanovich in later interviews.
26th Jan '16 5:05:55 AM Menshevik
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* ThrowingDownTheGauntlet: York spends half the movie trying to explain to Thursday that the Colonel needs to respect the Apache better. When Thursday derisively slams one last suggestion back in York's face accusing the Captain of "cowardice," York has had enough and throws down his glove at Thursday's feet, [[DuelToTheDeath demanding satisfaction]]. Thursday ignores it and relieves York of command, sending him back with the supply wagons in seeming shame...

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* ThrowingDownTheGauntlet: York spends half the movie trying to explain to Thursday that the Colonel needs to respect the Apache better. When Thursday derisively slams one last suggestion back in York's face accusing the Captain of "cowardice," York has had enough and throws down his glove at Thursday's feet, [[DuelToTheDeath demanding satisfaction]]. Thursday ignores it pointedly refuses (the battle is about to start), tells a soldier to pick up the glove and relieves return it to York before relieving York of command, his command and sending him back with the supply wagons in seeming shame...
20th Jan '16 5:29:07 PM jamespolk
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%% * DeliberatelyMonochrome:DeliberatelyMonochrome: As noted under SceneryPorn below, black-and-white film was used deliberately, for greater contrasts.



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3rd Dec '15 11:47:17 AM VenomLancerHae
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* TheAlcoholic: Most of the Sergeants play up this trope, especially Mulcahy ([=McLaglen=]). When the Sergeants spike the drink at the dance, it's Mulcahy who finishes off the whole bowl when the dance is cut short.

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Most of the Sergeants play up this trope, especially Mulcahy ([=McLaglen=]). When the Sergeants spike the drink at the dance, it's Mulcahy who finishes off the whole bowl when the dance is cut short.



* CatchPhrase: "Any questions, Captain?" "No questions."

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"Any questions, Captain?" "No questions."



* DeliberatelyMonochrome: See SceneryPorn.

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* TheNeidermeyer: Lieutenant Colonel Owen Thursday (modeled on the real-life George Armstrong Custer) is an arrogant martinet to his own men (even after explicitly saying that he is ''not''); out of class snobbishness, obstructs the path of True Love between his daughter and a young lieutenant because the latter is the son of an Irish noncom; sees war as a path to personal glory; provokes a conflict with the Apaches that better diplomacy could have avoided; and, worst of all, gets most of his regiment slaughtered through tactical incompetence and stubborn refusal to listen to Captain York, who knows the Apaches much better. For all of that, York credits him with improving the quality of the regiment through his strict discipline.

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* TheNeidermeyer: TheNeidermeyer:
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Lieutenant Colonel Owen Thursday (modeled on the real-life George Armstrong Custer) is an arrogant martinet to his own men (even after explicitly saying that he is ''not''); out of class snobbishness, obstructs the path of True Love between his daughter and a young lieutenant because the latter is the son of an Irish noncom; sees war as a path to personal glory; provokes a conflict with the Apaches that better diplomacy could have avoided; and, worst of all, gets most of his regiment slaughtered through tactical incompetence and stubborn refusal to listen to Captain York, who knows the Apaches much better. For all of that, York credits him with improving the quality of the regiment through his strict discipline.



* NotSoDifferent: York clearly empathizes with Cochise and would probably do just what he did in his place. But he continues [[JustFollowingOrders to do what he feels is his duty]].

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York clearly empathizes with Cochise and would probably do just what he did in his place. But he continues [[JustFollowingOrders to do what he feels is his duty]].



* SceneryPorn: It's Creator/JohnFord directing a {{Western}}. There's Monument Valley in all the exterior shots.

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It's Creator/JohnFord directing a {{Western}}. There's Monument Valley in all the exterior shots.



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27th Sep '15 11:15:53 AM Morgenthaler
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''Fort Apache'' is a 1948 Republic Pictures {{Western}} film starring Creator/JohnWayne, Creator/HenryFonda, Creator/ShirleyTemple, her then-husband John Agar, Ward Bond, Victor [=McLaglen=], Pedro Armendariz, and directed by Creator/JohnFord. ''Fort Apache'' is considered, with ''SheWoreAYellowRibbon'' (1949) and ''Rio Grande'' (1950), a part of Ford's "Cavalry Trilogy."

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''Fort Apache'' is a 1948 Republic Pictures {{Western}} film starring Creator/JohnWayne, Creator/HenryFonda, Creator/ShirleyTemple, her then-husband John Agar, Ward Bond, Victor [=McLaglen=], Pedro Armendariz, and directed by Creator/JohnFord. ''Fort Apache'' is considered, with ''SheWoreAYellowRibbon'' ''Film/SheWoreAYellowRibbon'' (1949) and ''Rio Grande'' (1950), a part of Ford's "Cavalry Trilogy."
22nd Aug '15 4:27:51 PM freesefan
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* LeeroyJenkins: Against orders Thursday picks a fight with Cochise (who's willing to negotiate), then leads a cavalry charge into a well-laid Apache ambush. Needless to say, things don't go well. Thursday becomes a martyr for the US Army, with even his subordinate Captain York (who despised him while alive) claiming "no man died more gallantly."
22nd Aug '15 4:21:26 PM freesefan
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* IllTakeTwoBeersToo

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* IllTakeTwoBeersTooIllTakeTwoBeersToo: The four sergeants approach the bar:
-->'''Sgt. Beaufort''': Four beers, please.\\
'''Sgt. Mulcahy''': And I'll have the same. With a whiskey chaser.
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