** This is especially daft because arrows are relatively hardy as far as missile weapons go, and were usually re-scavenged after the battle to fire again (yes, some to most would inevitably break, but the point is that they were remarkably cost-effective). In contrast, trained men at arms and just plain levies in general were a key part of a feudal lord's support system and needlessly killing off a good chunk of your taxpayers/builders/farmers was never a good idea.
** The Scots aren't innocent of it either, with their complete lack of massed pike or any real discipline whatsoever. Oddly enough, this winds up making the English *look more competent than they were* in at least one case. The Battle of Stirling in the movie features the two sides launching berserker charges at each other on an open field with neither side having polearms. The historical Battle of Stirling *Bridge* saw the English launching a frontal assault across uneven ground and a narrow bridge [[TooDumbToLive against a Scottish pike wall.]]

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** In 1280, King Alexander III of Scotland was not only not alive, but his two sons were also alive. The younger son, David, died in 1281; the elder son, Alexander, died in 1284; and finally Alexander III himself died in 1286. Alexander III left a granddaughter, Margaret, acknowledged as his heir by the Scottish nobles. Rather than fighting each other over the crown, the Scots appointed regents who ruled until she died in 1290. At this point, the nobles did not fall into civil war, and Edward did not claim the throne of Scotland. Instead, the Scots nobles asked Edward to preside (as a neutral party) over a commission to determine the rightful king. While Edward did claim overlordship of Scotland and undoubtedly influenced the conclusion, the result was to choose John Balliol as King of Scotland by the normal rules of primogeniture. At no time did Edward invite the nobles of Scotland "to talks of truce -- no weapons, one page only". Balliol did start a war against Edward in 1296, because he felt that Edward was being overbearing. Unfortunately for Balliol, Edward was one of the best generals ever to sit on the English throne, and beat Balliol handily. Incidentally, Edward was in no sense a "pagan" -- there had not been any true pagans in Britain for centuries. (He wasn't even a ''paganus'' in the Classical Latin sense of "peasant" or "yokel".)  In addtion, Malcolm Wallace had three sons in 1280. The one left out was the eldest, also named Malcolm.

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** In 1280, King Alexander III of Scotland was not only not alive, but his two sons were also alive. The younger son, David, died in 1281; the elder son, Alexander, died in 1284; and finally Alexander III himself died in 1286. Alexander III left a granddaughter, Margaret, acknowledged as his heir by the Scottish nobles. Rather than fighting each other over the crown, the Scots appointed regents who ruled until she died in 1290. At this point, the nobles did not fall into civil war, and Edward did not claim the throne of Scotland. Instead, the Scots nobles asked Edward to preside (as a neutral party) over a commission to determine the rightful king. While Edward did claim overlordship of Scotland and undoubtedly influenced the conclusion, the result was to choose John Balliol as King of Scotland by the normal rules of primogeniture. At no time did Edward invite the nobles of Scotland "to talks of truce -- no weapons, one page only". Balliol did start a war against Edward in 1296, because he felt that Edward was being overbearing. Unfortunately for Balliol, Edward was one of the best generals ever to sit on the English throne, and beat Balliol handily. Incidentally, Edward was in no sense a "pagan" -- there had not been any true pagans in Britain for centuries. (He wasn't even a ''paganus'' in the Classical Latin sense of "peasant" or "yokel".)  In addition, Malcolm Wallace had three sons in 1280. The one left out was the eldest, also named Malcolm.

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** In 1280, King Alexander III of Scotland was not only not dead, but his two sons were also alive. The younger son, David, died in 1281; the elder son, Alexander, died in 1284; and Alexander III died in 1286. Alexander III left a granddaughter, Margaret, acknowledged as his heir by the Scottish nobles. Rather than fighting each other over the crown, the Scots appointed regents who ruled until she died in 1290. At this point, the nobles did not fall into civil war, and Edward did not claim the throne of Scotland. Instead, the Scots nobles asked Edward to preside (as a neutral party) over a commission to determine the rightful king. While Edward did claim overlordship of Scotland and undoubtedly influenced the conclusion, the result was to choose John Balliol as King of Scotland by the normal rules of primogeniture. At no time did Edward invite the nobles of Scotland "to talks of truce -- no weapons, one page only". Balliol did start a war against Edward in 1296, because he felt that Edward was being overbearing. Unfortunately for Balliol, Edward was one of the best generals ever to sit on the English throne, and beat Balliol handily. Incidentally, Edward was in no sense a "pagan" -- there had not been any true pagans in Britain for centuries. (He wasn't even a ''paganus'' in the Classical Latin sense of "peasant" or "yokel".) 
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** In 1280, King Alexander III of Scotland was not only not alive, but his two sons were also alive. The younger son, David, died in 1281; the elder son, Alexander, died in 1284; and finally Alexander III himself died in 1286. Alexander III left a granddaughter, Margaret, acknowledged as his heir by the Scottish nobles. Rather than fighting each other over the crown, the Scots appointed regents who ruled until she died in 1290. At this point, the nobles did not fall into civil war, and Edward did not claim the throne of Scotland. Instead, the Scots nobles asked Edward to preside (as a neutral party) over a commission to determine the rightful king. While Edward did claim overlordship of Scotland and undoubtedly influenced the conclusion, the result was to choose John Balliol as King of Scotland by the normal rules of primogeniture. At no time did Edward invite the nobles of Scotland "to talks of truce -- no weapons, one page only". Balliol did start a war against Edward in 1296, because he felt that Edward was being overbearing. Unfortunately for Balliol, Edward was one of the best generals ever to sit on the English throne, and beat Balliol handily. Incidentally, Edward was in no sense a "pagan" -- there had not been any true pagans in Britain for centuries. (He wasn't even a ''paganus'' in the Classical Latin sense of "peasant" or "yokel".)   In addtion, Malcolm Wallace had three sons in 1280. The one left out was the eldest, also named Malcolm.

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