History Film / BraveHeart

10th Dec '17 10:50:07 AM justme13
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* ArmorIsUseless: The heavy armor worn by the English seems to provide no advantage whosoever over the Scottish troops, who have almost no armor at all.

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* ArmorIsUseless: The heavy armor worn by the English seems to provide no advantage whosoever whatsoever over the Scottish troops, who have almost no armor at all.
10th Dec '17 8:40:50 AM justme13
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* PrecisionFStrike: Stephen: The almighty says "Don't change the subject, answer the fucking question"
14th Nov '17 3:48:55 PM DuskNoble
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* BatteringRam: Wallace and his man are seen ramming in the gate to York. This gets an added IncendiaryExponent - if the door doesn't fall down it can burn down.

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* BatteringRam: Wallace and his man men are seen ramming in the gate to York. This gets an added IncendiaryExponent - if the door doesn't fall down down, it can burn down.



* BlackKnight: William Wallace duel a character like late during the Battle of Falkirk, complete with a DramaticUnmask.

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* BlackKnight: William Wallace duel duels a character like this late during the Battle of Falkirk, complete with a DramaticUnmask.



* CallingTheOldManOut: Robert the Bruce does this twice to his father: first after standing along Longshanks at Falkirk, which led to a humiliating defeat for the Scots, and again after Wallace gets captured.

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* CallingTheOldManOut: Robert the Bruce does this twice to his father: first after standing along alongside Longshanks at Falkirk, which led to a humiliating defeat for the Scots, and again after Wallace gets captured.



* CostumeDrama: The film was oscar-nominated for Best Costume Design but lost out to ''Film/{{Restoration}}''.

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* CostumeDrama: The film was oscar-nominated Oscar-nominated for Best Costume Design but lost out to ''Film/{{Restoration}}''.



* DramaticLandfallShot: The opening sequence starts with a camera flight over costal water after which the rough Scottish mountain landscape comes into view.

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* DramaticLandfallShot: The opening sequence starts with a camera flight over costal coastal water after which the rough Scottish mountain landscape comes into view.
14th Nov '17 3:39:57 PM DuskNoble
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* AdventurousIrishViolins: Braveheart is in love with this trope; its a wonderful example of its flexibility, for although the heroes are Scots-Highlanders (and an Irishman), the passionate strains of said trope in the musical score still flawlessly evoke the highland spirit of energetic playfulness, savage bloodlust, [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs and energetically playful savage bloodlust]].

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* AdventurousIrishViolins: Braveheart is in love with this trope; its it's a wonderful example of its flexibility, for although the heroes are Scots-Highlanders (and an Irishman), the passionate strains of said trope in the musical score still flawlessly evoke the highland spirit of energetic playfulness, savage bloodlust, [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs and energetically playful savage bloodlust]].



* AloneWithPrisonerPloy: Princess Isabelle demands some time alone with Wallace in his cell, so she could pass him the sedative which he refuses to take.

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* AloneWithPrisonerPloy: Princess Isabelle Isabella demands some time alone with Wallace in his cell, so she could pass him the sedative which he refuses to take.



* AntiVillain: [[spoiler: Robert the Bruce is [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains type II.]] He's ''definitely'' not a bad person, and really does seem to admire Wallace, but he is also weak and easily manipulated by his father, who convinces him to go along with the nobles' betrayal of Wallace at Falkirk. [[HeroicBSOD Seeing Wallace's face fraught with despair]] once he learns that Robert has betrayed him makes the bruce realize he was wrong, and he saves Wallace's life while making a determined HeelFaceTurn in the process. When his father uses him to betray Wallace yet again, he makes it clear to his old man, in no uncertain terms, that he is now [[ThisIsUnforgivable forever dead to him.]]]]

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* AntiVillain: [[spoiler: Robert the Bruce is [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains type II.]] He's ''definitely'' not a bad person, and really does seem to admire Wallace, but he is also weak and easily manipulated by his father, who convinces him to go along with the nobles' betrayal of Wallace at Falkirk. [[HeroicBSOD Seeing Wallace's face fraught with despair]] once he learns that Robert has betrayed him makes the bruce Bruce realize he was wrong, and he saves Wallace's life while making a determined HeelFaceTurn in the process. When his father uses him to betray Wallace yet again, he makes it clear to his old man, in no uncertain terms, that he is now [[ThisIsUnforgivable forever dead to him.]]]]
1st Nov '17 5:11:34 PM yamiblade
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[[IThoughtItMeant It should not be confused]] with real history or the [[IOSGames iPhone game]] or the leonine leader of the [[Franchise/CareBears Care Bear Cousins]]. Or a song from a certain [[Anime/DigimonAdventure cartoon]]...

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[[IThoughtItMeant It should not be confused]] with real history or the [[IOSGames iPhone game]] or the leonine leader of the [[Franchise/CareBears Care Bear Cousins]]. Or a song from a certain [[Anime/DigimonAdventure cartoon]]...anime]]...
30th Aug '17 5:56:44 PM BatmanKalEl
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** The film treats using a hedge of long spears against horsemen as a revolutionary idea. It certainly wasn't. The idea goes back to antiquity.
What was new was the Scottish schiltrons formations. These were circular formations that presented pikes out toward the enemy in 360 degrees, rather like a hedgehog. At Falkirk, Edward I called back his knights before they took too many losses and just had his archers open fire on the schiltrons. Defenseless against bowmen, the schiltrons collapsed quickly afterward.

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** The film treats using a hedge of long spears against horsemen as a revolutionary idea. It certainly wasn't. The idea goes back to antiquity. \n What was new was the Scottish schiltrons formations. These were circular formations that presented pikes out toward the enemy in 360 degrees, rather like a hedgehog. At Falkirk, Edward I called back his knights before they took too many losses and just had his archers open fire on the schiltrons. Defenseless against bowmen, the schiltrons collapsed quickly afterward.



*** Boiling oil? No. Oil was expensive and hard to keep hot. Sand and water are cheaper and just as effective. Try to imagine how quickly heated sand would get through your armor. Other good options that were used include rocks, burning sulfur, and even beehives.

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*** ** Boiling oil? No. Oil was expensive and hard to keep hot. Sand and water are cheaper and just as effective. Try to imagine how quickly heated sand would get through your armor. Other good options that were used include rocks, burning sulfur, and even beehives.
14th Aug '17 9:55:26 AM shatterstar
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* BloodlessCarnage: In the case of Murron's death. The magistrate clearly slit her throat, yet her wound is obscured from view and there is no blood on the knife. But this may be a [[SpecialEffectsFailure goof]].
10th Jul '17 5:40:03 AM SimbaTheLionKing
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** Prince Edward gets a strange form of this. Edward II is generally regarded as a mediocre king who may have had a homosexual affair but did have a wife and children by her. Gibson makes him medieval CampGay, and then uses that as a shorthand for evil and weak. He even gets taken down by a single bitchslap by King Edward after King Edward [[spoiler: murders the Prince's lover and the Prince tries to avenge him.]] It makes sense for Gibson to use this rather ugly narrative device given his well-documented homophobia.

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** Prince Edward gets a strange form of this. Edward II is generally regarded as a mediocre king who may have had a homosexual affair but did have a wife and children by her. Gibson makes him medieval CampGay, and then uses that as a shorthand for evil and weak. He even gets taken down by a single bitchslap by King Edward after King Edward [[spoiler: murders the Prince's lover and the Prince tries to avenge him.]] It makes sense for Gibson to use this rather ugly narrative device given his well-documented homophobia.]]
26th Apr '17 1:47:26 AM TheDocCC
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** Evidence overwhelmingly points to ''Primae noctis'' or ''DroitDuSeigneur'' -- the right of a Lord to take the virginity of serf maidens within his lands -- being a fabrication of the modern era. Medieval marriage was controlled by The Church, which has typically championed marital fidelity. If any lord tried to claim the "right" to rape another man's wife, the least he could expect was excommunication, along with an almost certain peasant revolt (as Machiavelli wrote in ''The Prince'' a ruler could get away with a lot of things, but taking people's wives wasn't one of them). So, it's not that some lords didn't take advantage of their power to rape peasant women-they probably did. Claiming ''a legal right to it'', however, is ''extremely'' dubious. WordOfGod on the DVD commentary notes that they did this to make the English [[ArtisticLicense more villainous]] and they were well aware it was never a real thing.

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** Evidence overwhelmingly points to ''Primae noctis'' or ''DroitDuSeigneur'' -- the right of a Lord to take the virginity of serf maidens within his lands -- being a fabrication of the modern era. Medieval marriage was controlled by The Church, which has typically championed marital fidelity. If any lord tried to claim the "right" to rape another man's wife, the least he could expect was excommunication, along with an almost certain peasant revolt (as Machiavelli wrote in ''The Prince'' a ruler could get away with a lot of things, but taking people's wives wasn't one of them). So, it's not that some lords didn't take advantage of their power to rape peasant women-they probably women - they did. Claiming The claim that lords believed they had ''a legal right to it'', however, it'' is ''extremely'' dubious.almost certainly a fabrication. WordOfGod on the DVD commentary notes that they did this to make the English [[ArtisticLicense more villainous]] and they were well aware it was never a real thing.



** The Scots aren't innocent of it either, with their complete lack of massed pike or any real discipline whatsoever. Oddly enough, this winds up making the English ''look more competent than they were'' in at least one case. The Battle of Stirling in the movie features the two sides launching berserker charges at each other on an open field with neither side having polearms, with the Scots somehow winning a decisive victory in close combat despite wearing almost no armor and being outnumbered against the heavily armed and armored English troops. The historical Battle of Stirling ''Bridge'' saw the English launching a frontal assault across uneven ground and a narrow bridge [[TooDumbToLive against a Scottish pike wall.]] Also in the real battle, Scots were wearing armor similar to what the English troops had

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** The Scots aren't innocent of it either, with their complete lack of massed pike or any real discipline whatsoever. Oddly enough, this winds up making the English ''look more competent than they were'' in at least one case. The Battle of Stirling in the movie features the two sides launching berserker charges at each other on an open field with neither side having polearms, with the Scots somehow winning a decisive victory in close combat despite wearing almost no armor and being outnumbered against the heavily armed and armored English troops. The historical Battle of Stirling ''Bridge'' saw the English launching a frontal assault across uneven ground and a narrow bridge [[TooDumbToLive against a Scottish pike wall.]] Also in the real battle, Scots were wearing armor similar to what the English troops hadhad.
** When foot soldiers abandon their formation to intermingle in a chaotic melee with massive casualties on both sides, it's almost always HollywoodTactics. Before modern warfare, troops stayed in close order, forming pike blocks, shield walls, and so on where the men could support one another and prevent all-out carnage.
** The film treats using a hedge of long spears against horsemen as a revolutionary idea. It certainly wasn't. The idea goes back to antiquity.
What was new was the Scottish schiltrons formations. These were circular formations that presented pikes out toward the enemy in 360 degrees, rather like a hedgehog. At Falkirk, Edward I called back his knights before they took too many losses and just had his archers open fire on the schiltrons. Defenseless against bowmen, the schiltrons collapsed quickly afterward.
** Charging and storming castles was always a last resort and a very good way to take massive casualties. Attacks on fortifications were almost always long, drawn-out sieges in that era. Wallace never sacked York, and he would never have just rushed his men with practically no siege gear at a castle with that many defenders as shown in the film.
*** Boiling oil? No. Oil was expensive and hard to keep hot. Sand and water are cheaper and just as effective. Try to imagine how quickly heated sand would get through your armor. Other good options that were used include rocks, burning sulfur, and even beehives.
26th Apr '17 12:52:38 AM TheDocCC
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** Prince Edward gets a strange form of this. Edward II is generally regarded as a mediocre king who may have had a homosexual affair but did have a wife and children by her. Gibson makes him medieval CampGay, and then uses that as a shorthand for evil and weak. He even gets taken down by a single bitchslap by King Edward after King Edward [[spoiler: murders the Prince's lover and the Prince tries to avenge him.]] It makes sense for Gibson to use this rather ugly narrative device given his well-documented homophobia.


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* MeaningfulLook: The wedding, showing how much you can do with a few glances. Watch Prince Edward, his lover Phillip, Princess Isabelle, and King Edward Longshanks. The Prince is not at all attracted to the Princess and would likely much rather run away than go through with the ceremony, or at least replace Isabelle with Phillip. King Edward is aware of his son's sexuality, holds his son in contempt, and absolutely despises Phillip. Isabelle, meanwhile, has no desire to be a part of this and feels trapped. She has no idea what to make of Prince Edward and is intimidated by King Longshanks. Phillip is trying to offer some silent support to Prince Edward, and that royally irks King Edward. All of this is conveyed to the audience with a few meaningful glances, a line of voice-over that hints that Longshanks may try to bed his soon-to-be daughter in law, some unfortunate gay visual coding, and an awkward kiss. The scene lasts seconds.
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