History Discontinuity / VideoGames

5th Apr '18 9:11:24 AM Lopiny
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* Strangely inverted by ''Videogame/DwarfFortress'' players, in that things that used to happen in previous versions but have been patched out became so iconic folks occasionally act like they're still an integral part of the game, or at least dwarven psychology. Dwarves, for example, now avoid fire instead of ignoring it, and booze simply boils away rather than exploding spectacularly when exposed to fire, but many players still fondly remember the days of "Being on fire sure makes me thirsty for a good beer-" '''*BOOM*''', and sometimes pretend dwarves still don't know what fire is. Same with elephants not quite being their dwarf-slaughtering selves or carps now being just another fish instead of utter bloody terrors. All in good fun, of course, but it can confuse the occasional newcomer.

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* Strangely inverted by ''Videogame/DwarfFortress'' players, in that things that used to happen in previous versions but have been patched out became so iconic folks occasionally act like they're still an integral part of the game, or at least dwarven psychology. Dwarves, for example, now avoid fire instead of ignoring it, and booze simply boils away rather than exploding spectacularly when exposed to fire, but many players still fondly remember the days of "Being on fire sure makes me thirsty for a good beer-" '''*BOOM*''', and sometimes pretend dwarves still don't know what fire is. Same with elephants [[LetsPlay/{{Boatmurdered}} not quite being their dwarf-slaughtering selves past selves]] or carps now being just another fish instead of utter bloody terrors. All in good fun, of course, but it can confuse the occasional newcomer.
5th Apr '18 9:10:30 AM Lopiny
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* Strangely inverted by ''Videogame/DwarfFortress'' players, in that things that used to happen in previous versions but have been patched out became so iconic folks occasionally act like they're still an integral part of the game, or at least dwarven psychology. Dwarves, for example, now avoid fire instead of ignoring it, and booze simply boils away rather than exploding spectacularly when exposed to fire, but many players still fondly remember the days of "Being on fire sure makes me thirsty for a good beer-" '''*BOOM*''', and sometimes pretend dwarves still don't know what fire is. Same with elephants not quite being their dwarf-slaughtering selves or carps now being just another fish instead of utter bloody terrors. All in good fun, of course, but it can confuse the occasional newcomer.
29th Mar '18 12:08:58 PM BeerBaron
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'':
** ''The Shivering Isles'' expansion carried the ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' trend of elevating the player to the absolute top rank, over the top, by excising a major distinct and fan favorite personality from the continuity so the Mute Hero player character can take his place. The implausibility of elevating a mortal to Daedra Lord may have fun post-story perks, but at the time it was considered lame and raised questions about the amount of {{Retcon}} required to feature Sheogorath as a character in future titles.
** Some problems with ''The Shivering Isles'' were put to rest in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', where Sheogorath is just as hilariously mad as ever, albeit a bit kinder (though whether or not that's a good thing is debatable). His appearance implies that he is--or was--the Champion of Cyrodiil (the protagonist of ''Oblivion''). It seems that whoever is Sheogorath simply takes on appearance and powers eventually, but there's nothing stopping fans from dismissing the references to the previous game as just some more of the Mad God's gibberish.

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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'':
''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''[='s=] ''The Shivering Isles'' expansion carried the ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series' trend of elevating the player to the absolute top rank, over rank ''over the top, top'' by excising a major and distinct and fan favorite personality from the continuity so the Mute Hero player character can PlayerCharacter could take his place. The implausibility of [[DeityOfHumanOrigin elevating a mortal to Daedra Lord Daedric Prince]] may have fun post-story perks, but at the time it was considered lame and raised questions about the amount of {{Retcon}} required to feature Sheogorath as a character in future titles.
** Some problems with ''The Shivering Isles'' were put to rest in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', where Sheogorath is just as hilariously mad as ever, albeit [[TookALevelInKindness a bit kinder kinder]] (though whether or not that's a good thing is debatable). His appearance implies that he is--or was--the Champion of Cyrodiil (the protagonist of ''Oblivion''). It seems that whoever is Sheogorath simply takes on appearance and powers eventually, but there's nothing stopping fans from dismissing the references to the previous game as just some more of the Mad God's gibberish.
29th Mar '18 7:13:55 AM erforce
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* Many fans of the original ''VideoGame/FinalFight'' don't count the 3D games ''Revenge'' and ''Streetwise'' (which both suffered greatly from the PolygonCeiling), and only consider the sequels that were released for the SNES (''Final Fight 2'' and ''3''). ''Streetwise'' was also so critically panned that Capcom not only canceled the Japanese localization, the game's failure was rumored to be the cause of Capcom Production Studio 8's closure.



* For many fans of the original ''VideoGame/FinalFight'', there hasn't been a true sequel yet. ''Final Fight 2'', ''3'', and especially ''Final Fight Streetwise'' don't exist. Capcom seems to have a similar mindset, as the only character from the sequels to appear in any significant capacity within the ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' [[SharedUniverse verse]] is Maki from ''2'', who was ported over from ''[[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNK2MarkOfTheMillennium Capcom vs. SNK 2]]'' to the portable versions of ''VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha 3''.

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* For Many fans of the original ''VideoGame/FinalFight'' don't count the 3D games ''Revenge'' and ''[[VideoGame/FinalFightStreetwise Streetwise]]'' (which both suffered greatly from the PolygonCeiling), and only consider the sequels that were released for the SNES (''Final Fight 2'' and ''3''). ''Streetwise'' was also so critically panned that Capcom not only canceled the Japanese localization, the game's failure was rumored to be the cause of Capcom Production Studio 8's closure.
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many fans of the original ''VideoGame/FinalFight'', there hasn't been a true sequel yet. ''Final Fight 2'', ''3'', and especially ''Final Fight Streetwise'' ''VideoGame/FinalFightStreetwise'' don't exist. Capcom seems to have a similar mindset, as the only character from the sequels to appear in any significant capacity within the ''Franchise/StreetFighter'' [[SharedUniverse verse]] is Maki from ''2'', who was ported over from ''[[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNK2MarkOfTheMillennium Capcom vs. SNK 2]]'' to the portable versions of ''VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha 3''.
26th Mar '18 12:52:34 PM X2X
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** There are various cut-offs where groups of fans believe the timeline starts or ends. A few fans accept everything which (in the series' timeline) was before ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty MGS2]]'', including the Naked Snake games (or they accept all that and ''[=MGS2=]'', but only the Tanker chapter), thereby eliminating Raiden. Others accept the entirety of ''[=MGS2=]'' and everything 'before' it, but not ''[=MGS4=]''. Then there are those who don't accept anything set before the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' (which usually means ''[=MGS4=]'' is off as well). And ''then'' there are fans who accept ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater MGS3]]'', but not ''[=MGS4=]'', ''Portable Ops'' or ''Peace Walker''.

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** There are various cut-offs where groups of fans believe the timeline starts or ends. A few fans accept everything which (in the series' timeline) was before ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty MGS2]]'', including the Naked Snake games (or they accept all that and ''[=MGS2=]'', but only the Tanker chapter), thereby eliminating Raiden. Others accept the entirety of ''[=MGS2=]'' and everything 'before' "before" it, but not ''[=MGS4=]''. Then there are those who don't accept anything set before the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' (which usually means ''[=MGS4=]'' is off as well). And ''then'' there are fans who accept ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater MGS3]]'', but not ''[=MGS4=]'', ''Portable Ops'' or ''Peace Walker''.



** For a more specific example, there's Ingrid, who is a polarizing figure within the fanbase because of her Mary Sue traits and, more recently, her status as the linchpin of (the [[CriticalDissonance poorly-received]]) ''VideoGame/StreetFighterXTekken''[='s=] plot due to the creation of Pandora. As Ingrid was a crossover character from ''VideoGame/CapcomFightingEvolution'' and her story in ''Alpha 3 MAX'' doesn't mesh with the canonical events of that game, it's pretty easy for fans to dismiss the idea of a time-traveling sun goddess from whom Bison somehow stole his Psycho Power (or created a cheap corruption of).

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** For a more specific example, there's Ingrid, who is a polarizing figure within the fanbase because of her Mary Sue traits CommonMarySueTraits [[note]]whether or not Ingrid actually ''is'' a MarySue or simply [[ParodySue a parody of one]] is a debate in and of itself[[/note]] and, more recently, her status as the linchpin of (the [[CriticalDissonance poorly-received]]) ''VideoGame/StreetFighterXTekken''[='s=] plot due to the creation of Pandora. As Ingrid was a crossover character from ''VideoGame/CapcomFightingEvolution'' and her story in ''Alpha 3 MAX'' doesn't mesh with the canonical events of that game, it's pretty easy for fans to dismiss the idea of a time-traveling sun goddess from whom Bison somehow stole his Psycho Power (or created a cheap corruption of).



* The GoldenEnding in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' has [[spoiler: Asriel being left to his fate of transforming back into the sociopathic flower, Flowey, after he returned the souls he had stolen]]. Fans who grew deeply attached to the character completely deny said character's fate and will usually make up another story or give an explanation on how they can be bought back. This is such a strong feeling that a few fangames were made to cover those theories. Notably among them is the work-in-progress [[https://gamejolt.com/games/dreemurr-reborn-undertale-the-end/205419 Undertale: The End]], which covers a widely-accepted [[TakeAThirdOption third option]] by the fans, where Frisk didn't stop [[OurTimeTravelIsDifferent resetting their Save]] time and time again until they finally managed to find a way to rescue Asriel... [[spoiler:By donating their own soul, in order to mend his, obviously sacrificing their life in the process.]]
* Portions of the ''VideoGame/{{inFamous}}'' fanbase disregard [[VideoGame/InfamousSecondSon Second Son]] as canon, due to a protagonist that lacked chapter development, a shallow story, a cheap retcon of the consequences of 2's Good Karma ending and the acceptance of the Evil Karma endings by some other fans.
* Almost the entire existence of ''Videogame/HeroSmash'' is disregarded by most people who play ''VideoGame/AdventureQuestWorlds'', albeit for much pettier reasons than other examples (Namely, the graphics). It is implicitly encouraged by the developers, who also refuse to make any mention of it in their marketing materials. Said fandom has declared they won't accept it into fan projects that span Artix Entertainment games several times.

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* The GoldenEnding in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' has [[spoiler: Asriel [[spoiler:Asriel being left to his fate of transforming back into the sociopathic flower, Flowey, after he returned the souls he had stolen]]. Fans who grew deeply attached to the character completely deny said character's fate and will usually make up another story or give an explanation on how they can be bought back. This is such a strong feeling that a few fangames were made to cover those theories. Notably among them is the work-in-progress [[https://gamejolt.''[[https://gamejolt.com/games/dreemurr-reborn-undertale-the-end/205419 Undertale: The End]], End,]]'' which covers a widely-accepted [[TakeAThirdOption third option]] by the fans, where Frisk didn't stop [[OurTimeTravelIsDifferent resetting their Save]] time and time again until they finally managed to find a way to rescue Asriel... [[spoiler:By donating their own soul, in order to mend his, obviously sacrificing their life in the process.]]
* Portions of the ''VideoGame/{{inFamous}}'' fanbase disregard [[VideoGame/InfamousSecondSon ''[[VideoGame/InfamousSecondSon Second Son]] Son]]'' as canon, due to a protagonist that lacked chapter development, a shallow story, a cheap retcon of the consequences of 2's ''2''[='s=] Good Karma ending and the acceptance of the Evil Karma endings by some other fans.
* Almost the entire existence of ''Videogame/HeroSmash'' ''VideoGame/HeroSmash'' is disregarded by most people who play ''VideoGame/AdventureQuestWorlds'', albeit for much pettier reasons than other examples (Namely, the graphics). It is implicitly encouraged by the developers, who also refuse to make any mention of it in their marketing materials. Said fandom has declared they won't accept it into fan projects that span Artix Entertainment games several times.



* Many fans of the ''VideoGame/SaintsRow'' series, particularly fans of the [[Videogame/SaintsRow1 first]] [[Videogame/SaintsRow2 two]] games, disregard ''Videogame/SaintsRowTheThird'' and ''Videogame/SaintsRowIV'' due to a case of ReverseCerebusSyndrome cranking up the silliness and a perception of BadassDecay turning the Saints from a badass street gang into pop culture celebrities, and then to the White House. [[BrokenBase While the latter two games have just as many fans as detractors]], the detractors are very vocal and wish for a hypothetical fifth game to erase them from the continuity, which ''Videogame/AgentsOfMayhem'' kind of does.

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* Many fans of the ''VideoGame/SaintsRow'' series, particularly fans of the [[Videogame/SaintsRow1 [[VideoGame/SaintsRow1 first]] [[Videogame/SaintsRow2 [[VideoGame/SaintsRow2 two]] games, disregard ''Videogame/SaintsRowTheThird'' ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' and ''Videogame/SaintsRowIV'' ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' due to a case of ReverseCerebusSyndrome cranking up the silliness and a perception of BadassDecay turning the Saints from a badass street gang into pop culture celebrities, and then to the White House. [[BrokenBase While the latter two games have just as many fans as detractors]], the detractors are very vocal and wish for a hypothetical fifth game to erase them from the continuity, which ''Videogame/AgentsOfMayhem'' ''VideoGame/AgentsOfMayhem'' kind of does.
25th Mar '18 9:05:03 PM Ryulong
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* ''Franchise/[[Halo}}'':

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24th Mar '18 1:14:38 AM ninjamitsuki2
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* Many, many Franchise/{{Lunar}} fans tend to completely ignore ''VideoGame/LunarDragonSong'', if not outright pretend it doesn't exist.
13th Mar '18 9:27:30 AM X2X
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** ''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}'' suffers a lot from [[SequelGap the large gaps between releases]]. The first one is a childhood memory, the second is a modern classic and the third one can't live up to the hype.

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** ''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}'' suffers a lot from [[SequelGap the large gaps between releases]]. [[VideoGame/CastleWolfenstein The first one one]] is a childhood memory, [[VideoGame/Wolfenstein3D the second second]] is a modern classic and [[VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein the third one one]] can't live up to the hype.



*** A considerable number of fans disavow everything after [[spoiler:Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's beam]], period. Some {{Fix Fic}}s go as far as ignoring the entire final level, while others RetCon it as a dream, hallucination, indoctrination effect, or something else along that vein -- promptly followed by the "real" ending.
*** [[http://youtu.be/GDkgk9EFy5E A fan mod]] for the Extended Cut was even developed to change the endings, that incorporates much of the most widely held fanon. Most notably: [[spoiler: it completely removes the Catalyst and thus the RGB selection, Destroy is the automatic ending except EDI and the geth are no longer killed, and Shepard is rescued from the rubble to reunite with the crew and his/her love interest aboard the Normandy. On a less drastic note, Harbinger also has lines taunting Shepard during the crew evac]]. Although it's under ongoing development, a growing number of fans have begun to consider it their canon ending.
** A vocal subset of fans are ''very'' insistent that ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' never happened. Many criticisms directed at the game claim it has [[{{Butterface}} positively terrible facial animations]], awful writing, and even some subsets of the fandom claiming it's a textbook case of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement which is better off not being delved into too much detail.]] Add this with the lukewarm critical response (A ''71'' on Metacritic) [[BrokenBase and an even more tepid and divided fandom response]], and support for the the game was understandably dropped by EA, with the Mass Effect franchise itself being put on hiatus.

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*** A considerable number of fans disavow everything after [[spoiler:Shepard gets hit by Harbinger's beam]], period. Some {{Fix Fic}}s go as far as ignoring the entire final level, while others RetCon {{retcon}} it as a dream, hallucination, indoctrination effect, or something else along that vein -- promptly followed by the "real" ending.
*** [[http://youtu.be/GDkgk9EFy5E [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDkgk9EFy5E A fan mod]] for the Extended Cut was even developed to change the endings, that incorporates much of the most widely held fanon. Most notably: [[spoiler: it completely removes the Catalyst and thus the RGB selection, Destroy is the automatic ending except EDI and the geth are no longer killed, and Shepard is rescued from the rubble to reunite with the crew and his/her love interest aboard the Normandy. On a less drastic note, Harbinger also has lines taunting Shepard during the crew evac]]. Although it's under ongoing development, a growing number of fans have begun to consider it their canon ending.
** A vocal subset of fans are ''very'' insistent that ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' never happened. Many criticisms directed at the game claim it has [[{{Butterface}} positively terrible facial animations]], awful writing, and even some subsets of the fandom claiming it's a textbook case of PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement which is better off not being delved into too much detail.]] detail]]. Add this with the lukewarm critical response (A (a ''71'' on Metacritic) [[BrokenBase and an even more tepid and divided fandom response]], and support for the the game was understandably dropped by EA, [[Creator/ElectronicArts EA]], with the Mass Effect ''Mass Effect'' franchise itself being put on hiatus.



* Try to find a ''VideoGame/JakAndDaxter'' fan who likes ''The Lost Frontier'' and accepts it as canon. They are far and few between. Reasons most often cited are that it was made by a different developer than Creator/NaughtyDog, many events go against what has been established in the previous games, and characters behave completely out of their norm. It also doesn't help when it seems the developers just didn't care when they make glaring errors in the booklet (Misty Island is called Mysterious Island; Haven City becomes Heaven City). Some fans see it as an AlternateUniverse so they can play it without getting too worked up about the inconsistencies. There are also fans that cut off the canon earlier--some accept nothing after the third game because of the GenreShift to a combat racer, and others refuse to accept anything but the original game because of the GenreShift from lighthearted platformer to grittier shooter/sandbox-platformer.
* ''VideoGame/KaneAndLynch'' is considered by its fandom as a decent game with many {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/MichaelMann films. Second game? Talking about it is often considered as ''trolling''. It turned from high paced film-like game into another generic shooter with a gimmick in form of NPC/PC character following you. And it disregards [[DownerEnding the ending]] [[KillEmAll of the first game]].
* ''VideoGame/RainbowSix: Lockdown'' and ''Vegas'' are disregarded by many fans of the original PC trilogy, due to the deviation from the classic tactical shooter gameplay. Some go back even further and argue that ''Rainbow Six 3'' for the [=XBox=] either never existed or is not the [[FanDumb true Rainbow Six 3.]]

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* Try to find a ''VideoGame/JakAndDaxter'' fan who likes ''The ''[[VideoGame/JakAndDaxterTheLostFrontier The Lost Frontier'' Frontier]]'' and accepts it as canon. They are far and few between. Reasons most often cited are that [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight it was made by a different developer than than]] Creator/NaughtyDog, many events go against what has been established in the previous games, and characters behave completely out of their norm. It also doesn't help when it seems the developers just didn't care when they make glaring errors in the booklet (Misty Island is called Mysterious Island; Haven City becomes Heaven City). Some fans see it as an AlternateUniverse so they can play it without getting too worked up about the inconsistencies. There are also fans that cut off the canon earlier--some accept nothing after [[VideoGame/Jak3Wastelander the third game game]] because of the GenreShift to a combat racer, and others refuse to accept anything but [[VideoGame/JakAndDaxterThePrecursorLegacy the original game game]] because of the GenreShift from lighthearted platformer to grittier shooter/sandbox-platformer.
* ''VideoGame/KaneAndLynch'' is considered by its fandom as a decent game with many {{Shout Out}}s [[ShoutOut Shout-Outs]] to Creator/MichaelMann films. Second game? Talking about it is often considered as ''trolling''. It turned from high paced film-like game into another generic shooter with a gimmick in form of NPC/PC character following you. And it disregards [[DownerEnding the ending]] [[KillEmAll of the first game]].
* ''VideoGame/RainbowSix: Lockdown'' and ''Vegas'' are disregarded by many fans of the original PC trilogy, due to the deviation from the classic tactical shooter gameplay. Some go back even further and argue that ''Rainbow Six 3'' for the [=XBox=] Xbox either never existed or is not the [[FanDumb true the "true" Rainbow Six 3.]]3]].



* For fans of the classic ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' series, many of them refuse to admit there are ''Resident Evil'' games beyond ''Resident Evil 3'' or ''Code: Veronica'', due to the series taking on a new direction by ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4''.

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* For fans of the classic ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' series, many of them refuse to admit there are ''Resident Evil'' games beyond ''Resident ''VideoGame/{{Resident Evil 3'' 3|Nemesis}}'' or ''Code: Veronica'', ''[[VideoGame/ResidentEvilCodeVeronica Code: Veronica]]'', due to the series taking on a new direction by ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4''.



* Playing ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''? It's not a matter of ''if'' you throw out some of the canon, it's ''when.'' Some do it in the first screen of the game by choosing a ''female'' Revan. Others cringe at the Bastila romance arc or think the Light Side ending was jarring in light of the BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood stunt the Jedi Council pulled. Second game? Well, Creator/LucasArts made the Exile female as an apology over the controversy in declaring Revan a guy, but tell it to players who tend to play Exile as a guy! (The Handmaiden having much better CharacterDevelopment than the Disciple helps.) The book ''Revan'' is also looked upon with massive controversy. Either you think the Sith Emperor is the scariest thing ever, or he's every Creator/BioWare villain cliche in one package. There's enough annoyance about MMO games in general for some fans to ignore the rest just based on that, but when you get into ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' and you find the Exile reduced to a passive, non-entity of a Force Ghost hanging on only to comfort Revan (a guy who betrayed Exile on several levels) and Revan launching a genocidal campaign with a Rakata robot factory to kill off 98% of the Imperial population. And the [[VillainProtagonist Imperial]] players are the ones [[NiceJobFixingItVillain saving the galaxy by putting him down like a rabid mutt?]] Pick your cutoff.

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* Playing ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''? It's not a matter of ''if'' you throw out some of the canon, it's ''when.'' Some do it in the first screen of the game by choosing a ''female'' Revan. Others cringe at the Bastila romance arc or think the Light Side ending was jarring in light of the BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood stunt the Jedi Council pulled. Second game? Well, Creator/LucasArts made the Exile female as an apology over the controversy in declaring Revan a guy, but tell it to players who tend to play Exile as a guy! (The Handmaiden having much better CharacterDevelopment than the Disciple helps.) The book ''Revan'' ''Literature/{{Revan}}'' is also looked upon with massive controversy. Either you think the Sith Emperor is the scariest thing ever, or he's every Creator/BioWare villain cliche in one package. There's enough annoyance about MMO games in general for some fans to ignore the rest just based on that, but when you get into ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' and you find the Exile reduced to a passive, non-entity of a Force Ghost hanging on only to comfort Revan (a guy who betrayed the Exile on several levels) and Revan launching a genocidal campaign with a Rakata robot factory to kill off 98% of the Imperial population. And the [[VillainProtagonist Imperial]] players are the ones [[NiceJobFixingItVillain saving the galaxy by putting him down like a rabid mutt?]] Pick your cutoff.



* ''The Answer'', the PlayableEpilogue in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', [[BrokenBase is a bit contentious]] due to the CharacterDerailment the cast goes through ([[spoiler:Yukari causing the party to go at each other's throats because she wanted to risk bringing back Nyx to save the Protagonist]]), its difficulty, and nothing the player does affecting the story (for example, [[spoiler:Chidori]] is still dead, despite whether or not you went through the conditions to bring her back).

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* ''The Answer'', the PlayableEpilogue in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', 3}} [[UpdatedRerelease FES]]'', [[BrokenBase is a bit contentious]] due to the CharacterDerailment the cast goes through ([[spoiler:Yukari causing the party to go at each other's throats because she wanted to risk bringing back Nyx to save the Protagonist]]), its difficulty, and nothing the player does affecting the story (for example, [[spoiler:Chidori]] is still dead, despite whether or not you went through the conditions to bring her back).back).
** On that last note, a fan Q&A segment on one episode of ''Persona Stalker Club'' established that [[spoiler:Chidori]] did indeed survive the events of ''P3'', as per the new story content added to ''FES'', with the necklace [[spoiler:Junpei]] wears in ''VideoGame/Persona4ArenaUltimax'' being a gift from her. There are fans who disregard this revelation, either because [[spoiler:Junpei]]'s words and actions during ''The Answer'' potentially contradict this statement or they simply think [[TrueArtIsAngsty it clashes with the game's dark tone and central theme of death]].
13th Mar '18 9:08:44 AM X2X
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** There are also fans who reject the official timeline given in ''Hyrule Historia'' either because they disagree with the order (The ''Downfall Timeline'' especially is a touchy subject) or because they do not want chronology in the first place. The placement of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTriForceHeroes Tri Force Heroes]]'' in the Downfall branch (particularly as a sequel to ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkBetweenWorlds A Link Between Worlds]]'') was reviled as well, as some fans feel that the game could have fit better in other branches (i.e. Adult), while others didn't even see it suitable in the chronology to begin with.

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** There are also fans who reject the official timeline given in ''Hyrule Historia'' ''Literature/HyruleHistoria'' either because they disagree with the order (The ''Downfall Timeline'' (the Downfall Timeline especially is a touchy subject) or because they do not want chronology in the first place. The placement of ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTriForceHeroes Tri Force Heroes]]'' in the Downfall branch (particularly as a sequel to ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkBetweenWorlds A Link Between Worlds]]'') was reviled as well, as some fans feel that the game could have fit better in other branches (i.e. Adult), while others didn't even see it suitable in the chronology to begin with.



** Though there are many [[ShipTease ship teases]] with him, Link has never had a canonical love-interest [[note]] In the main-series games. The cartoon, comic and many of the mangas pair him with the series titular princess, Zelda, however those are all considered non-canon by both fandom and WordOfGod. [[/note]] where ''both'' he and another character are indisputably confirmed to have romantic feelings for each other. ''Breath of the Wild'' did provide Link with a couple of characters who ''are'' confirmed to love him romantically, [[note]] Namely Princess Zelda herself, Princess Mipha, and Paya. [[/note]] but even then, Link's feelings remain ambiguous. This, however, doesn't stop some pretty vicious ShipToShipCombat to erupt within the fandom, with many fans insisting that their ship is canon and all others are invalid.

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** Though there are many [[ShipTease ship teases]] with him, Link has never had a canonical love-interest [[note]] In love interest [[note]]In the main-series games. The cartoon, comic and many of the mangas pair him with the series titular princess, Zelda, however those are all considered non-canon by both fandom and WordOfGod. [[/note]] where ''both'' he and another character are indisputably confirmed to have romantic feelings for each other. ''Breath of the Wild'' did provide Link with a couple of characters who ''are'' confirmed to love him romantically, [[note]] Namely [[note]]namely Princess Zelda herself, Princess Mipha, and Paya. [[/note]] Paya[[/note]] but even then, Link's feelings remain ambiguous. This, however, doesn't stop some pretty vicious ShipToShipCombat to erupt within the fandom, with many fans insisting that their ship is canon and all others are invalid.



** Many fans disregard 'Tales of The World' entirely, since it attempted to make it a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover, but without the multiplayer for the most part. The menus were like a bad MMO, as were the quests.

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** Many fans disregard 'Tales ''Tales of The World' World'' entirely, since it attempted to make it a MassiveMultiplayerCrossover, but without the multiplayer for the most part. The menus were like a bad MMO, as were the quests.



** About twenty years after its release in Japan, ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' finally got an official English translation - which [[SpellMyNameWithAnS changed some characters' names]] from the ones used in fan translations and even some official promo materials. Most of the established fandom sees no reason to let a little issue like canon get in the way of what they've been calling the characters for two decades already, and it's hard to blame them.

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** About twenty years after its release in Japan, ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'' finally got an official English translation - -- which [[SpellMyNameWithAnS changed some characters' names]] from the ones used in fan translations and even some official promo materials. Most of the established fandom sees no reason to let a little issue like canon get in the way of what they've been calling the characters for two decades already, and it's hard to blame them.



* Some [[StopHavingFunGuys rabid fans]] of ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Melee'' refuse to accept ''Brawl'' because it's slower, forces players to adopt new strategies, evens out everyone's jumping gravity, and is intended for a wider audience. Some other rabid fans accept ''Brawl'', but only if they manage to [[GameMod hack the game to make it play more like Melee]], physics and all.[[note]]The GameMod in question, ''VideoGame/ProjectM'', is now generally considered a different game in its own right from ''Brawl'' since [[GrowingTheBeard Version 3.0]], with its ''own'' FanDumb, HateDumb, and BrokenBase over everything about it[[/note]] Still more rabid fans reject ''Melee'' because they think advanced techniques create a rift between pros and novices and that the characters are too imbalanced, even though these problems are just as relevant in ''Brawl''. Some also claim that ''Brawl'' did not replace Mewtwo with Lucario. Fans of Mewtwo are never happy with anything that displaces it from the top of the original ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' food chain.

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* Some [[StopHavingFunGuys rabid fans]] of ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Melee'' refuse to accept ''Brawl'' because it's slower, forces players to adopt new strategies, evens out everyone's jumping gravity, and is intended for a wider audience. Some other rabid fans accept ''Brawl'', but only if they manage to [[GameMod hack the game to make it play more like Melee]], physics and all. [[note]]The GameMod in question, ''VideoGame/ProjectM'', is now generally considered a different game in its own right from ''Brawl'' since [[GrowingTheBeard Version 3.0]], with its ''own'' FanDumb, HateDumb, and BrokenBase over everything about it[[/note]] it.[[/note]] Still more rabid fans reject ''Melee'' because they think advanced techniques create a rift between pros and novices and that the characters are too imbalanced, even though these problems are just as relevant in ''Brawl''. Some also claim that ''Brawl'' did not replace Mewtwo with Lucario. Fans of Mewtwo are never happy with anything that displaces it from the top of the original ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' food chain.



* A good number of fans refuse to acknowledge every ''Franchise/SilentHill'' sequel after ''Silent Hill 4: The Room'' on the grounds that they were not done by the original team at Team Silent, some going so far as to label them as licensed fan-games because of it. ''Silent Hill: Shattered Memories'' averts this, even while the matter of ''Origins'' and ''Homecoming'' races towards BrokenBase territory. ''Shattered Memories'' is a "re-imagining" of the first ''Silent Hill'' - it's different from the first four in a completely deliberate way. Most people who worry about canon are content to just label it a [[GaidenGame side-story]] or alternative universe (as a sequel to ''Silent Hill'''s bad ending). Then there's the overwhelmingly negative reception that ''Silent Hill: Book of Memories'' after the trailer was unveiled.

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* A good number of fans refuse to acknowledge every ''Franchise/SilentHill'' sequel after ''Silent Hill 4: The Room'' on the grounds that they were not done by the original team at Team Silent, some going so far as to label them as licensed fan-games because of it. ''Silent Hill: Shattered Memories'' averts this, even while the matter of ''Origins'' and ''Homecoming'' races towards BrokenBase territory. ''Shattered Memories'' is a "re-imagining" of the first ''Silent Hill'' - -- it's different from the first four in a completely deliberate way. Most people who worry about canon are content to just label it a [[GaidenGame side-story]] or alternative universe (as a sequel to ''Silent Hill'''s bad ending). Then there's the overwhelmingly negative reception that ''Silent Hill: Book of Memories'' after the trailer was unveiled.



** Some fans choose to believe that ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' never happened, mainly because of [[ReplacementScrappy the new protagonist]] and what happened to Phoenix (both in terms of events and [[CharacterDerailment characterization]]), despite WordOfGod specifically stating it was not in an Alternate Universe.

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** Some fans choose to believe that ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' never happened, mainly because of [[ReplacementScrappy the new protagonist]] and what happened to Phoenix (both in terms of events and [[CharacterDerailment characterization]]), despite WordOfGod specifically stating it was not in an Alternate Universe.AlternateUniverse.



** Most ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' fans pretend that ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' never existed. ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' only reinforced these beliefs due to allegedly treating ''Sticker Star'' as a ShowWithinAShow and not a "Real" Mario game.

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** Most ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' fans pretend that ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'' never existed. ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam'' only reinforced these beliefs due to allegedly treating ''Sticker Star'' as a ShowWithinAShow and not a "Real" "real" Mario game.



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** And then {{Creator/Bungie}} left the series to do their own thing again, while Microsoft created Creator/ThreeFourThreeIndustries to make more ''Halo''. [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight This was the knee-jerk reaction]]. While ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'' ended up being relatively well-received, the story direction of post-Bungie ''Halo'' has still been heavily criticized in a number of circles.
** This has gotten even worse after ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' came out, thanks in large part to it [[spoiler:derailing Cortana into a villain and turning ''Halo'' into a generic "AI rebellion" story while simultaneously abandoning a bunch of much more interesting plot threads (the Forerunner-Flood MythArc, the post-Schism Covenant, ONI's shady dealings, etc.)]]. Even many who loved ''Halo 4''[='s=] plot were sorely disappointed, while most fanfic writers seem to have ignored ''5''[='s=] plot altogether in favor of other plot threads.

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** And then {{Creator/Bungie}} Creator/{{Bungie}} left the series to do their own thing again, while Microsoft created Creator/ThreeFourThreeIndustries to make more ''Halo''. [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight This was the knee-jerk reaction]]. reaction.]] While ''{{VideoGame/Halo ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'' ended up being relatively well-received, the story direction of post-Bungie ''Halo'' has still been heavily criticized in a number of circles.
** This has gotten even worse after ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' came out, thanks in large part to it [[spoiler:derailing Cortana into a villain and turning ''Halo'' into a generic "AI "A.I. rebellion" story while simultaneously abandoning a bunch of much more interesting plot threads (the Forerunner-Flood MythArc, the post-Schism Covenant, ONI's shady dealings, etc.)]]. Even many who loved ''Halo 4''[='s=] plot were sorely disappointed, while most fanfic writers seem to have ignored ''5''[='s=] plot altogether in favor of other plot threads.



** Ask a bunch of ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' fans if Organization XIII is really dead. ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' confirms that worlds run on their own time axis, which unfortunately caused plot holes regarding certain worlds, most noticeably [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas Halloween Town]]. Many fans still insist that time flows are the same or only slightly different in at least a majorly of worlds, and that Disney Town is, and forever will be, "[[NotAllowedToGrowUp timeless]]".
** ''3D'' in general gets this from quite a few fans due to its ScrappyMechanic-heavy gameplay as well as its UpToEleven-taking of the series's already-infamous KudzuPlot -- to the point where it's often regarded as the ''Kingdom Hearts'' equivalent of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2''.

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** Ask a bunch of ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' ''Kingdom Hearts'' fans if Organization XIII [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories Organ]][[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII ization]] [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 XIII]] is really dead. This lessened substantially after later games revealed that, due to the odd circumstances that led to the "birth" of the Nobodies, they could potentially come BackFromTheDead. (And as of the lead-up period to ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsIII'', roughly half of them already have.)
**
''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' confirms that worlds run on their own time axis, which unfortunately caused plot holes regarding certain worlds, most noticeably [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas Halloween Town]]. Many fans still insist that time flows are the same or only slightly different in at least a majorly of worlds, and that Disney Town is, and forever will be, "[[NotAllowedToGrowUp timeless]]".
timeless]]."
** ''3D'' in general gets this from quite a few fans due to its ScrappyMechanic-heavy gameplay as well as its UpToEleven-taking UpToEleven-[[ShockingSwerve taking]] of the series's already-infamous KudzuPlot -- to the point where it's often regarded as the ''Kingdom Hearts'' equivalent of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2''.



** The original ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon1'' protagonist's default name is "Pete", but everyone calls him "Jack", due to a beanstalk scene in the original game and apparently due to Natsume accidentally calling him "Jack" in a manual (odd since no one cares about any other names in a manual). All the other male protagonists have default names, but few people call them by their [[CanonName Canon Names]]. Instead people opt for "Jack" for most of them.

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** The original ''VideoGame/HarvestMoon1'' protagonist's default name is "Pete", but everyone calls him "Jack", due to a beanstalk scene in the original game and apparently due to Natsume accidentally calling him "Jack" in a manual (odd since no one cares about any other names in a manual). All the other male protagonists have default names, but few people call them by their [[CanonName Canon Names]].{{Canon Name}}s. Instead people opt for "Jack" for most of them.



* ''Videogame/WingCommander'' suffers from this as well. Some groups will declare the series ended with ''Wing Commander 4: The Price of Freedom'', others will only recognize the Kilrathi Saga ([=WC1=] thru 3) as canon.

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* ''Videogame/WingCommander'' ''VideoGame/WingCommander'' suffers from this as well. Some groups will declare the series ended with ''Wing Commander 4: The Price of Freedom'', others will only recognize the Kilrathi Saga ([=WC1=] thru 3) as canon.



** Some problems with ''The Shivering Isles'' were put to rest in Skyrim, where Sheogorath is just as hilariously mad as ever, albeit a bit kinder (though whether or not that's a good thing is debatable). His appearance implies that he is--or was--the Champion of Cyrodiil (the protagonist of Oblivion). It seems that whoever is Sheogorath simply takes on appearance and powers eventually, but there's nothing stopping fans from dismissing the references to the previous game as just some more of the Mad God's gibberish.
* Even gamers who liked the original ''Bubsy the Bobcat'' games, as repetitive and derivative as they were, have disowned ''Bubsy 3D'' for [=PlayStation=]. The developers decided to take the series in a 3D direction ''after'' the much superior ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'' had been released, and failed miserably at it even by the standards of lesser 3D games. They also decided to take Bubsy's snarky commentary to a whole new level-- which would have been fine, except that rather than hiring Creator/RobPaulsen again, they hired Lani Minella, who provided what may be the most annoying voice possible for the character (think [[SonicTheHedgehog Omochao]], but with a Brooklyn accent; it's literally the same voice actress). It honestly makes the older ''Bubsy'' games look absolutely brilliant in comparison.

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** Some problems with ''The Shivering Isles'' were put to rest in Skyrim, ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', where Sheogorath is just as hilariously mad as ever, albeit a bit kinder (though whether or not that's a good thing is debatable). His appearance implies that he is--or was--the Champion of Cyrodiil (the protagonist of Oblivion).''Oblivion''). It seems that whoever is Sheogorath simply takes on appearance and powers eventually, but there's nothing stopping fans from dismissing the references to the previous game as just some more of the Mad God's gibberish.
* Even gamers who liked the original ''Bubsy the Bobcat'' games, as repetitive and derivative as they were, have disowned ''Bubsy 3D'' for [=PlayStation=]. The developers decided to take the series in a 3D direction ''after'' the much superior ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'' had been released, and failed miserably at it even by the standards of lesser 3D games. They also decided to take Bubsy's snarky commentary to a whole new level-- which would have been fine, except that rather than hiring Creator/RobPaulsen again, they hired Lani Minella, Creator/LaniMinella, who provided what may be the most annoying voice possible for the character (think [[SonicTheHedgehog [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Omochao]], but with a Brooklyn accent; it's literally the same voice actress). It honestly makes the older ''Bubsy'' games look absolutely brilliant in comparison.



* Most ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}: VideoGame/DawnOfWar'' fans deny that the ''Soulstorm'' expansion ever happened, due to the absolutely staggering ammount of {{Game Breaking Bug}}s (including one for unlimited resources) and the ridiculous unit imbalances that made it unplayable, the sheer amount of {{Narm}} (SPEHSS MEHREENS!), and the utter butchering of the background material (humans freely using Xeno technology, [[MagnificentBastard Alpha Legion]] portrayed as [[AxeCrazy Khorne fanatics]], [[MemeticMutation 100 Baneblades]], [[TheVoiceless Necron Lord]] sounding like he needed a cough drop, etcetera). ''Dawn of War II'', however, states that it actually ''is'' canon, but as [[ColdSniper Cyrus]] says in the campaign, the whole Kaurava campaign was [[SelfDeprecation "best forgotten"]].

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* Most ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}: VideoGame/DawnOfWar'' fans deny that the ''Soulstorm'' expansion ever happened, due to the absolutely staggering ammount of {{Game Breaking Bug}}s (including one for unlimited resources) and the ridiculous unit imbalances that made it unplayable, the sheer amount of {{Narm}} (SPEHSS MEHREENS!), and the utter butchering of the background material (humans freely using Xeno technology, [[MagnificentBastard Alpha Legion]] portrayed as [[AxeCrazy [[AxCrazy Khorne fanatics]], [[MemeticMutation 100 Baneblades]], [[TheVoiceless Necron Lord]] sounding like he needed a cough drop, etcetera). ''Dawn of War II'', however, states that it actually ''is'' canon, but as [[ColdSniper Cyrus]] says in the campaign, the whole Kaurava campaign was [[SelfDeprecation "best forgotten"]].forgotten."]]



* There are communities that declare that the ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' series to have ended at various arbitrary points (usually after the demarcation by which portable platform they were on), which can lead one to wonder how anyone is left to actually partake of the CashCowFranchise if it supposedly ended after Red and Blue/after Yellow/after Gold, Silver, and Crystal/etc.
* Many ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' fans prefer to pretend that any games beyond ''VideoGame/CrashBandicoot3Warped''/''VideoGame/CrashTeamRacing'' doesn't exist due to differing developers post-Naughty Dog (although opinions are divided on ''VideoGame/CrashBash'' in this regard). Also, most fans of the Naughty Dog games (and fans of the series in general) want to pretend that two games called ''Crash of the Titans'' and ''Crash: Mind over Mutant'' didn't exist.

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* There are communities that declare that the ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' series to have ended at various arbitrary points (usually after the demarcation by which portable platform they were on), which can lead one to wonder how anyone is left to actually partake of the CashCowFranchise if it supposedly ended after ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red and Blue/after Yellow/after Blue]]''/after ''Yellow''/after ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Gold, Silver, and Crystal/etc.
Crystal]]''/etc.
* Many ''Franchise/CrashBandicoot'' fans prefer to pretend that any games beyond ''VideoGame/CrashBandicoot3Warped''/''VideoGame/CrashTeamRacing'' doesn't exist due to differing developers post-Naughty Dog post-Creator/NaughtyDog (although opinions are divided on ''VideoGame/CrashBash'' in this regard). Also, most fans of the Naughty Dog games (and fans of the series in general) want to pretend that two games called ''Crash of the Titans'' and ''Crash: Mind over Mutant'' didn't exist.



* Most of the ''VideoGame/MetalSlug'' sequels after ''Metal Slug 3'' are disavowed by fans of the original Nazca-developed installments, as they were made after the original SNK went out of the business and without the involvement of the original Nazca team. ''Metal Slug 4'' and ''5'' were farmed out to a Korean developer and were not as well received, especially due to their use of too much Frankensteined sprites. ''6'' and ''7'', which were developed by SNK Playmore, were better received, but still considered not as good as the originals by purists (especially ''7'', which was developed for the DS and ported to the PSP, despite the previous installments being arcade games).

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* Most of the ''VideoGame/MetalSlug'' sequels after ''Metal Slug 3'' are disavowed by fans of the original Nazca-developed installments, as they were made after the original SNK Creator/{{SNK}} went out of the business and without the involvement of the original Nazca team. ''Metal Slug 4'' and ''5'' were farmed out to a Korean developer and were not as well received, especially due to their use of too much Frankensteined sprites. ''6'' and ''7'', which were developed by SNK Playmore, were better received, but still considered not as good as the originals by purists (especially ''7'', which was developed for the DS and ported to the PSP, despite the previous installments being arcade games).



* Creator/IdSoftware has an odd situation with ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Quake}}'' and ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein3D''. Older fans often consider all work after Quake 3 noncanon or it is [[ContestedSequel strongly contested]]. Although the id games never focused much on storylines, the gameplay of their newer games is very different from their older games:
** Quake is often considered to be a stand alone game, because no Quake sequel follows the same graphical setting. Quake II is considered to be a stand alone game, followed by Quake 4 because they share the same setting, visual style and match somewhat in pacing. Quake 3 is even weirder, since it can be summed up as "shooting people over and over again".
** ''Wolfenstein'' suffers a lot from [[SequelGap the large gaps between releases]]. The first one is a childhood memory, the second is a modern classic and the third one can't live up to the hype.

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* Creator/IdSoftware has an odd situation with ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'', ''VideoGame/{{Quake}}'' and ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein3D''. Older fans often consider all work after Quake 3 noncanon ''VideoGame/QuakeIIIArena'' non-canon or it is [[ContestedSequel strongly contested]]. Although the id games never focused much on storylines, the gameplay of their newer games is very different from their older games:
** Quake ''VideoGame/{{Quake|I}}'' is often considered to be a stand alone standalone game, because no Quake ''Quake'' sequel follows the same graphical setting. Quake II ''VideoGame/QuakeII'' is considered to be a stand alone standalone game, followed by Quake 4 ''VideoGame/QuakeIV'' because they share the same setting, visual style and match somewhat in pacing. Quake 3 ''Quake III'' is even weirder, since it can be summed up as "shooting people over and over again".
again."
** ''Wolfenstein'' ''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}'' suffers a lot from [[SequelGap the large gaps between releases]]. The first one is a childhood memory, the second is a modern classic and the third one can't live up to the hype.
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** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSurvive'' was disowned about the second it was announced. It's far from the first ''Metal Gear'' AlternateContinuity GaidenGame made without Creator/HideoKojima's input, but it ''was'' the first ''Metal Gear'' game produced after Kojima's sacking from Konami, causing many fans to immediately dismiss it as a FranchiseZombie. The fact that it was a [[ClicheStorm co-op zombie survival game starring generic characters and a lot of gore]] was also mocked as being uncreative and boring -- many game websites pointed out that it is testament to how weird ''Metal Gear'' is that a game featuring crystal zombies and trans-dimensional wormholes came off as boring.

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** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSurvive'' was disowned about the second it was announced. It's far from the first ''Metal Gear'' AlternateContinuity GaidenGame made without Creator/HideoKojima's input, but it ''was'' the first ''Metal Gear'' game produced after Kojima's sacking from Konami, Creator/{{Konami}}, causing many fans to immediately dismiss it as a FranchiseZombie. The fact that it was a [[ClicheStorm co-op zombie survival game starring generic characters and a lot of gore]] was also mocked as being uncreative and boring -- many game websites pointed out that it is testament to how weird ''Metal Gear'' is that a game featuring crystal zombies and trans-dimensional wormholes came off as boring.



** The idea that humans and Mobians live on separate worlds, with Sonic and co. apparently planet-hopping on a frequent basis, has been met with heavy resistance for the simple fact that it was never so much as hinted at beyond a lack of Mobian NPCs, and wrecks utter havoc on all previous world-building (particularly concerning the Adventure era).

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** The idea that humans and Mobians live on separate worlds, with Sonic and co. apparently planet-hopping on a frequent basis, has been met with heavy resistance for the simple fact that it was never so much as hinted at beyond a lack of Mobian NPCs, [=NPCs=], and wrecks utter havoc on all previous world-building (particularly concerning the Adventure ''Adventure'' era).



* ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}} 4'' is regarded as a misstep in [[DoingInTheWizard its poor attempt]] to have [[DarkerAndEdgier a grittier feel]] and fewer characters than ''Tag'' (which in-canon, might mean something, but in gameplay, simply makes it less fun). Many fans just go straight from ''Tekken Tag'' to ''Tekken 5'', which [[WinBackTheCrowd did damage control]] by [[TheBusCameBack bringing back]] most of the missing characters from ''2'' and ''3'' in some fashion or another.
* ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburV'' for having a controversial yet paper-thin plot that arbitrarily [[TimeSkip skipped ahead seventeen years]], [[PutOnABus shelved many series mainstays]] (even outright killing some of them off-screen) while replacing them with {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s that received little development (complete with probably the epitome of DesignatedHero and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic as its main protagonist), and made most of the returning cast immortal or slow aging for various {{contrived|Coincidence}} [[AssPull "reasons,"]] all while leaving ''numerous'' plot threads dangling. A lot of fans are hoping there's a ResetButton in the future and even supporters tend to pick and choose or reinterpret aspects of the narrative as they see fit.
** Those who wanted a reboot may be getting their wish granted now, as Namco is making Videogame/SoulcaliburVI, which goes back into the second game (Soulcalibur 1)'s story, sort of like Franchise/MortalKombat did with its ninth game.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}} 4'' is regarded as a misstep in [[DoingInTheWizard its poor attempt]] to have [[DarkerAndEdgier a grittier feel]] and fewer characters than ''Tag'' ''[[DreamMatchGame Tag]]'' (which in-canon, might mean something, but in gameplay, simply makes it less fun). Many fans just go straight from ''Tekken Tag'' to ''Tekken 5'', which [[WinBackTheCrowd did damage control]] by [[TheBusCameBack bringing back]] most of the missing characters from ''2'' and ''3'' in some fashion or another.
* ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburV'' is widely seen as the black sheep of the ''VideoGame/{{Soul|Series}}'' series for having a controversial yet paper-thin plot that arbitrarily [[TimeSkip skipped ahead seventeen years]], [[PutOnABus shelved many series mainstays]] (even outright killing some of them off-screen) while replacing them with {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s that received little development (complete with probably the epitome of DesignatedHero and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic as its main protagonist), and made most of the returning cast immortal or slow aging for various {{contrived|Coincidence}} [[AssPull "reasons,"]] all while leaving ''numerous'' plot threads dangling. A lot of fans are hoping there's a ResetButton in the future and even supporters [[DeathOfTheAuthor tend to pick and choose or reinterpret aspects of the narrative as they see fit.
fit]].
** Those who wanted a reboot may be getting their wish granted now, as Namco is making Videogame/SoulcaliburVI, which goes back into ''VideoGame/SoulcaliburVI'' returns to the second game (Soulcalibur 1)'s time period of ''Soulcalibur''[='s=] story, sort of like Franchise/MortalKombat what ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' did with [[VideoGame/MortalKombat9 its ninth game.game]].



** A number of fans disown every game after ''X5''. While some simply put the dividing line there for gameplay reasons, others cite the fact that Creator/KeijiInafune had intended for the series to end with ''X5'', with the following games coming about [[FranchiseZombie because Capcom wanted them]].
** Other fans put the dividing line after ''X6''. As above, some fans do this because of ''X7''[='=]s gameplay, while others cite the introduction of Axl as their problem. [[WordOfGod Keiji Inafune]] has stated that Zero's ending in ''X6'' (where he [[spoiler:[[SealedGoodInACan seals himself away]] so that his [[TheVirus viral programming]] can be removed, thus setting up the Elf Wars and ''Zero'']]) is the final event of the ''X'' series, which may further back up this group.
** Even for fans that don't fit into the above camps, ''VideoGame/MegaManXCommandMission'' is often ignored. It doesn't help that Command Mission is [[OddballInTheSeries the only RPG in what is otherwise a platformer series]]. On top of that, its story [[GaidenGame doesn't seem to fit well into the series timeline]], and it may even create some plot holes (mostly involving Axl). On the other hand, it did open up some interesting plot threads that some fans wish could be further addressed in an ''X9''.
** The issue of the ''[[XtremeKoolLetterz Mega Man Xtreme]]'' games gets a bit interesting. The first ''Mega Man Xtreme'' can pretty easily be tossed out, as it's a GaidenGame. ''Xtreme 2'', on the other hand, does have connections to the rest of the series. ''Xtreme 2'' was developed after ''X4'' but explicitly set between ''X3'' and ''X4'' (evidenced by ''X4''[='=]s Iris showing up as a supporting character), and the events of ''Xtreme 2'' are directly referenced near the endgame of ''X6''. Incidentally, ''Xtreme 2'' does not reference its predecessor, so plot-wise, it is completely possible to discontinue the first and keep the second.
* Similarly, in the original ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' series, many discontinue the PC games ''1'' and ''VideoGame/MegaMan3''. Even within the [[ExcusePlot bare-bones plot of the series]], they just don't make any sense. Then again, they haven't appeared in any official timelines, so it's likely they never were officially considered canon. Also, unlike other Mega Man games, Capcom Japan had no involvement with these; they were made by a third-party studio under contract to Capcom USA.

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** A number of fans disown every game after ''X5''.''[[VideoGame/MegaManX5 X5]]''. While some simply put the dividing line there for gameplay reasons, others cite the fact that Creator/KeijiInafune had intended for the series to end with ''X5'', with the following games coming about [[FranchiseZombie because Capcom wanted them]].
** Other fans put the dividing line after ''X6''. ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX6 X6]]''. As above, some fans do this because of ''X7''[='=]s ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX7 X7]]''[='=]s gameplay, while others cite the introduction of Axl as their problem. [[WordOfGod Keiji Inafune]] has stated that Zero's ending in ''X6'' (where he [[spoiler:[[SealedGoodInACan seals himself away]] so that his [[TheVirus viral programming]] can be removed, thus setting up the Elf Wars and ''Zero'']]) is the final event of the ''X'' series, which may further back up this group.
** Even for fans that don't fit into the above camps, ''VideoGame/MegaManXCommandMission'' is often ignored. It doesn't help that Command Mission ''Command Mission'' is [[OddballInTheSeries the only RPG in what is otherwise a platformer series]]. On top of that, its story [[GaidenGame doesn't seem to fit well into the series timeline]], and it may even create some plot holes (mostly involving Axl). On the other hand, it did open up some interesting plot threads that some fans wish could be further addressed in an ''X9''.
** The issue of the ''[[XtremeKoolLetterz Mega Man Xtreme]]'' games gets a bit interesting. [[VideoGame/MegaManXtreme The first ''Mega Man Xtreme'' first]] ''VideoGame/MegaManXtreme'' can pretty easily be tossed out, as it's a GaidenGame. ''Xtreme 2'', ''[[VideoGame/MegaManXtreme2 Xtreme 2]]'', on the other hand, does have connections to the rest of the series. ''Xtreme 2'' was developed after ''X4'' ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX4 X4]]'' but explicitly set between ''X3'' ''[[VideoGame/MegaManX3 X3]]'' and ''X4'' (evidenced by ''X4''[='=]s Iris showing up as a supporting character), and the events of ''Xtreme 2'' are directly referenced near the endgame of ''X6''. Incidentally, ''Xtreme 2'' does not reference its predecessor, so plot-wise, it is completely possible to discontinue the first and keep the second.
* Similarly, in the original ''VideoGame/MegaMan'' ''VideoGame/MegaManClassic'' series, many discontinue the PC PC/DOS games ''1'' and ''VideoGame/MegaMan3''.''3''. Even within the [[ExcusePlot bare-bones plot of the series]], they just don't make any sense. Then again, they haven't appeared in any official timelines, so it's likely they never were officially considered canon. Also, unlike other Mega Man ''Mega Man'' games, Capcom Japan had no involvement with these; they were made by a third-party studio under contract to Capcom USA.



** You have to beat the game multiple times to get all transformations and best weapons, while in the past games such things simply are unlocked as you progress in the game.
** Despite the plot of the game being a meteor going to crash on Earth, 90% of the game is centered about battle tournaments with the main characters discovering about the plot JUST BEFORE THE FINAL SCENARIO.

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** You have to beat the game multiple times to get all the transformations and best weapons, while in the past previous games such things simply are unlocked as you progress in the game.
** Despite the plot of the game being a meteor going the scientific community's efforts to crash on Earth, stop [[ColonyDrop an asteroid from crashing into the earth]], 90% of the game is centered about around [[InevitableTournament battle tournaments tournaments]] with the main characters discovering about the plot aforementioned crisis JUST BEFORE THE FINAL SCENARIO.SCENARIO. Note that the two plots ''do'' turn out to be connected, at least by the time of the final tournament ([[spoiler:it's an artificial asteroid with a computer guidance system, so NAXA wants to find the best [=NetBattler=] in the world and have them infiltrate the rocket to guide the asteroid away from the planet]]), but the potential calamity is treated as ''the B-plot'' for the majority of the game.



* "The ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'' series and ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' never received novelizations. ''Ever''." is usually considered an iron-clad rule in most fan circles devoted to discussing or modding the Infinity Engine. Heaven help you if you're talking about the ''Baldur's Gate'' games and refer to Abdel Adrian (the novels' version of the protagonist) as if the PlayerCharacter is canonically him. Eventually it was established by various official materials that the novels were not canon.

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* "The ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'' series and ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' never received novelizations. ''Ever''." ''Ever''" is usually considered an iron-clad rule in most fan circles devoted to discussing or modding the Infinity Engine. Heaven help you if you're talking about the ''Baldur's Gate'' games and refer to Abdel Adrian (the novels' version of the protagonist) as if the PlayerCharacter is canonically him. Eventually it was established by various official materials that the novels were not canon.



* The Appaloosa-developed ''{{VideoGame/Contra}}'' games ''Contra: Legacy of War'' and ''C: The Contra Adventure'' sat very badly with fans; even Konami themselves canceled plans to release them in Japan. The few ''Contra'' fans who actually pay attention to the series' storyline tend to ignore the retcons made to the timeline in ''Contra 4'', in which ''Operation C'' (originally a solo mission by Bill Rizer against a nameless nation who were cloning the aliens from the first two games) is now revised into a previous mission of "Mad Dog" and "Scorpion" (not Bill and Lance themselves, but the new characters from ''Contra 4'' who inherited their former American nicknames) against the alien Black Viper, which ignores the fact that ''Operation C'' was actually a single-player only game and that the stages were clearly set in artificial labs and lacked usual WombLevel seen at the end of other games.

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* The Appaloosa-developed ''{{VideoGame/Contra}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Contra}}'' games ''Contra: Legacy of War'' and ''C: The Contra Adventure'' sat very badly with fans; even Konami themselves canceled plans to release them in Japan. The few ''Contra'' fans who actually pay attention to the series' storyline tend to ignore the retcons made to the timeline in ''Contra 4'', in which ''Operation C'' (originally a solo mission by Bill Rizer against a nameless nation who were cloning the aliens from the first two games) is now revised into a previous mission of "Mad Dog" and "Scorpion" (not Bill and Lance themselves, but the new characters from ''Contra 4'' who inherited their former American nicknames) against the alien Black Viper, which ignores the fact that ''Operation C'' was actually a single-player only game and that the stages were clearly set in artificial labs and lacked usual WombLevel seen at the end of other games.
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