History DieForOurShip / LiveActionTV

11th Jun '17 8:11:58 PM nombretomado
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* Though ''XenaWarriorPrincess'' existed during the early days of the Internet, that didn't stop one of the first and bloodiest full-scale [[ShipToShipCombat ship wars]] between Xena/Gabrielle shippers (aka [[SubText 'Subbers']]) and Xena/Ares shippers (simply known as Shippers throughout the fandom -- those were much simpler days).

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* Though ''XenaWarriorPrincess'' ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' existed during the early days of the Internet, that didn't stop one of the first and bloodiest full-scale [[ShipToShipCombat ship wars]] between Xena/Gabrielle shippers (aka [[SubText 'Subbers']]) and Xena/Ares shippers (simply known as Shippers throughout the fandom -- those were much simpler days).
27th May '17 4:27:31 AM jormis29
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** Reinette, [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Madame de Pompadour]], showed up for the episode "The Girl in the Fireplace" and explored a deep and intimate relationship with the Doctor (even though he only knew her for about five minutes!). The episode won multiple awards for its writing quality, but you'd never know that from the number of people who wanted her to die in that very fireplace. They've even gone as far as to suggest that the episode was only written so David Tennant could have an on-screen fling with his girlfriend Sophia Myles, ignoring that the episode was written before Tennant's casting and Myles and Tennant only met on the set of the episode in the first place!

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** Reinette, [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Madame de Pompadour]], showed up for the episode "The Girl in the Fireplace" and explored a deep and intimate relationship with the Doctor (even though he only knew her for about five minutes!). The episode won multiple awards for its writing quality, but you'd never know that from the number of people who wanted her to die in that very fireplace. They've even gone as far as to suggest that the episode was only written so David Tennant could have an on-screen fling with his girlfriend Sophia Myles, Creator/SophiaMyles, ignoring that the episode was written before Tennant's casting and Myles and Tennant only met on the set of the episode in the first place!
17th May '17 7:16:39 PM nombretomado
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* On ''UglyBetty'', Henry's girlfriend Charlie came under fire for getting in the way of Henry/Betty. The show decided to follow through, gradually changing Charlie's personality from "basically nice person" to "evil, deceitful bitch".

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* On ''UglyBetty'', ''Series/UglyBetty'', Henry's girlfriend Charlie came under fire for getting in the way of Henry/Betty. The show decided to follow through, gradually changing Charlie's personality from "basically nice person" to "evil, deceitful bitch".
23rd Apr '17 2:39:27 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'': Curiously, the SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Dani Beck came under the most merciless fire and outrage from Elliot/Olivia shippers during her short stint while [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Mariska Hargitay was pregnant]]. Elliot's ''wife'', Kathy, does not get that so much outside of TelevisionWithoutPity (but [[AccentuateTheNegative they hate everything]]) or Fanfiction.net -- though Fanfiction.net is a large enough base for unfair attacks.

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* ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'': Curiously, the SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Dani Beck came under the most merciless fire and outrage from Elliot/Olivia shippers during her short stint while [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Mariska Hargitay was pregnant]]. Elliot's ''wife'', Kathy, does not get that so much outside of TelevisionWithoutPity Website/TelevisionWithoutPity (but [[AccentuateTheNegative they hate everything]]) or Fanfiction.net -- though Fanfiction.net is a large enough base for unfair attacks.
15th Feb '17 1:21:27 PM Morgenthaler
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* Anastasia Dualla from ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' took serious heat from the fans after she was suddenly married to one half of the fandom's FanPreferredCouple. The sloppy handling of the storyline didn't help. Strangely, Sam Anders, who was married to the ''other'' half of the FanPreferredCouple, hasn't garnered much reaction at all. This may be because he's white, male and pretty; or it might be because the fanbase figures that being married to Starbuck is punishment enough. Or that Kara/Anders was handled much better and has a strong fanbase of its own. Lee/Dee fans are a minority.

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* Anastasia Dualla from ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' Galactica|2003}}'':
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took serious heat from the fans after she was suddenly married to one half of the fandom's FanPreferredCouple. The sloppy handling of the storyline didn't help. Strangely, Sam Anders, who was married to the ''other'' half of the FanPreferredCouple, hasn't garnered much reaction at all. This may be because he's white, male and pretty; or it might be because the fanbase figures that being married to Starbuck is punishment enough. Or that Kara/Anders was handled much better and has a strong fanbase of its own. Lee/Dee fans are a minority.
15th Feb '17 1:19:51 PM Morgenthaler
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* Kylen Celina sometimes gets this from the ''SpaceAboveAndBeyond'' fandom. Granted, there is a legitimate reason why her relationship with Nathan West may not be tenable [[spoiler:following her rescue in the series finale]] (namely, the fact that the Marine pilot is no longer the naive would-be colonist he started the series as). However, fanfiction frequently has her act on this in the pettiest fashion possible. Predictably, this leaves the door open for a heartbroken West to be comforted by his One True Love (usually Vansen, Hawkes, or Col. [=McQueen=]).

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* Kylen Celina sometimes gets this from the ''SpaceAboveAndBeyond'' ''Series/SpaceAboveAndBeyond'' fandom. Granted, there is a legitimate reason why her relationship with Nathan West may not be tenable [[spoiler:following her rescue in the series finale]] (namely, the fact that the Marine pilot is no longer the naive would-be colonist he started the series as). However, fanfiction frequently has her act on this in the pettiest fashion possible. Predictably, this leaves the door open for a heartbroken West to be comforted by his One True Love (usually Vansen, Hawkes, or Col. [=McQueen=]).
27th Jan '17 3:55:55 AM Morgenthaler
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* Due to the fact that ''WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'''s most popular couple is [[BrotherSisterIncest Justin/Alex]], every possible LoveInterest for any of the two gets immediately bashed and hated within the fandom. Harper, Alex's best friend, was a case of this at the beginning of the series, since she was the StalkerWithACrush on Justin, but she became much more liked when she stopped being that, and [[BetaCouple fell in love with Justin's best friend, Zeke]]. The same could be applied for Mason, Alex's most recent boyfriend, whom many view as a jerkass lunatic, especially since he is...a werewolf.

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* Due to the fact that ''WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'''s ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'''s most popular couple is [[BrotherSisterIncest Justin/Alex]], every possible LoveInterest for any of the two gets immediately bashed and hated within the fandom. Harper, Alex's best friend, was a case of this at the beginning of the series, since she was the StalkerWithACrush on Justin, but she became much more liked when she stopped being that, and [[BetaCouple fell in love with Justin's best friend, Zeke]]. The same could be applied for Mason, Alex's most recent boyfriend, whom many view as a jerkass lunatic, especially since he is...a werewolf.
29th Dec '16 5:54:45 AM Sapphirea2
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' can only be explained by pointing out one key fact of the franchise--for much of the first 30 years of its existence, the Doctor was never depicted with an on-screen love interest. Romances as a whole were generally ignored. Some of this was done out of sensitivities of the times--as the show was geared toward a child audience, it was seen as creepy for a much older man to be flying around in space with young women on his arms. Over time, this led to a large portion of the fandom and even people involved with the franchise to declaring the character essentially celibate, to the point where they even attempted to {{Retcon}} why he had a ''granddaughter'' in his first incarnation in the ExpandedUniverse. So, for all time, there is always a large portion of the ''Doctor Who'' fandom that ships "Doctor/NOBODY!" and violently despises the franchise post-1996, when the series finally started going against the trend and showing him engaging in intimate relationships (and acknowledging that said granddaughter was ''definitely'' by blood and not adopted).
** Woman #1 in the line of fire was Grace Holloway, who appeared only in the TV Movie, kissed the Doctor twice, and earned eternal hatred. But some of this was also due to ''other'' issues with the film's treatment of the franchise, and she hasn't gotten much extreme hate since due to her lack of subsequent appearances, even in the ExpandedUniverse.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' ''Series/DoctorWho'''s issues with this trope can only be explained by pointing out one key fact of the franchise--for much of the first 30 years of its existence, the Doctor was never ''never'' depicted with an on-screen love interest. Romances as a whole were generally ignored. Some of this was done out of sensitivities of the times--as times -- as the show was geared toward a child audience, it was seen as creepy for a much older man to be flying around in space with young women on his arms. Over time, this led to a large portion of the fandom and even people involved with the franchise to declaring the character essentially celibate, to the point where they even attempted to {{Retcon}} why he had a ''granddaughter'' in his first incarnation in the ExpandedUniverse. So, for all time, there is always a large portion of the ''Doctor Who'' fandom that ships "Doctor/NOBODY!" and violently despises the franchise post-1996, when the series finally started going against the trend and showing him engaging in intimate relationships (and relationships, and acknowledging that said granddaughter was ''definitely'' by blood and not adopted).
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** Woman #1 in the line of fire was Grace Holloway, who appeared only in the TV Movie, kissed the Doctor twice, and earned eternal hatred. But some of this was also due to ''other'' issues with the film's treatment of the franchise, and she hasn't gotten much extreme hate since due to her lack of subsequent appearances, appearances even in the ExpandedUniverse.



** Martha Jones, the companion of Series 3 and a guest character afterwards, had a one-sided relationship with the Doctor, whom she eventually left due to her tiring of the situation (though a later episode suggested that the senseless deaths that happened in all their stories didn't help matters). She would be the source of hate from Doctor/Rose shippers and, of course, Doctor/NOBODY! shippers.
** Donna Noble, the companion of Series 4, took innumerable amounts of shipping flack despite not even being presented as a love interest (in fact, she stated quite emphatically that she ''wasn't'' interested in the Doctor that way). Some of this was related to feelings towards the ''actress'', Catherine Tate.
** Series 5 and 6 brought another complication with Amy Pond, who spent Series 5 trying to work out her feelings for both the Doctor and for her fiancé Rory, which ended when she married Rory and they remained a close couple in Series 6. This annoyed some fans, who either A) hated Amy for interfering with the Doctor/NOBODY! ship, B) hated Rory for interfering with the Amy/Eleven ship, or C) hated Amy for interfering with the Rory/Eleven ship. People in the A group got particularly upset and lodged complaints with the BBC over Amy trying to get the Doctor to sleep with her at the conclusion of "Flesh and Stone". The B group are somewhat justified, since Rory's [[SingleTargetSexuality Amy-sexuality]] means they can't pair him with anyone else.
** Then there is River Song, the current Shipping Wars Omega of the fandom. River Song appeared once in Series 4, where her introduction was that of a future lover of the Doctor. She came back in Series 5 and 6 and this connection was, to put it simply, made far more explicit. This naturally draws her hate from some of the people that ever shipped the Doctor with anyone or no one. Because she's also got a complicated history similar to the Doctor's, this has also led to people in those groups frequently accusing her of being Steven Moffat's personal MarySue that lets him live out his fantasies with the Doctor. (Wait...déjà vu!) And she's coming back for the post-Series 9 Christmas special...(see below for more).

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** Martha Jones, the companion of Series 3 and a guest character afterwards, had a one-sided relationship with the Doctor, whom she eventually left due to her tiring of the situation (though situation, though a later episode suggested that the senseless deaths that happened in all their stories didn't help matters).matters. She would be the source of hate from Doctor/Rose shippers and, of course, Doctor/NOBODY! shippers.
** Donna Noble, the companion of Series 4, took innumerable amounts of shipping flack despite not even being presented as a love interest (in -- in fact, she stated quite emphatically that she ''wasn't'' interested in the Doctor that way). way! Some of this was related to feelings towards the ''actress'', Catherine Tate.
** Series 5 and 6 brought another complication with Amy Pond, who spent Series 5 trying to work out her feelings for both the Doctor and for her fiancé Rory, which ended when she married Rory and they remained a close couple in Series 6. This annoyed some fans, who either A) hated Amy for interfering with the Doctor/NOBODY! ship, B) hated Rory for interfering with the Amy/Eleven ship, or C) hated Amy for interfering with the Rory/Eleven ship. People in the A group got particularly upset and lodged complaints with the BBC over Amy trying to get the Doctor to sleep with her at the conclusion of "Flesh and Stone". The B group are is somewhat justified, since Rory's [[SingleTargetSexuality Amy-sexuality]] means they can't pair him with anyone else.
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** Then there is River Song, Song is the current Shipping Wars Omega of the fandom. River Song She appeared once in Series 4, where her introduction was that of a future lover of the Doctor. She came back in Series 5 and 6 and this connection was, to put it simply, made far more explicit. This naturally draws her hate from some of the people that ever shipped the Doctor with anyone or no one. Because she's also got a complicated history similar to the Doctor's, this has also led to people in those groups frequently accusing her of being Steven Moffat's personal MarySue that lets him live out his fantasies with the Doctor. (Wait...déjà vu!) And she's coming back for the post-Series 9 Christmas special...(see vu!) See below for more).more on this.



** Although the Twelfth Doctor is reluctant to be a "boyfriend" and HatesBeingTouched, tender subtext and chemistry continued with his and Clara's relationship even as she took up a romance with Danny Pink central to the Series 8 story arc. After [[spoiler: Danny was effectively killed three times over]], over the 2014 Christmas special and Series 9 they truly became PlatonicLifePartners. There is a smaller-but-devoted anti-River Song and anti-Danny Pink crowd that supports the 12/Clara pairing, and suffice it to say this group was '''not''' happy to learn that River Song was appearing in the 2015 Christmas special...right after Clara departed at the end of the season. The circumstances of all this turned out to be as follows: [[spoiler: Clara is Killed Off For Real; he rescues her from the moment of her death, but this threatens to ''tear apart the universe''. Both realize they '''cannot''' stay together because their love brings out the worst in each other. His mind ends up wiped of memories of her, though not of their adventures, and they go separate ways. After this, having accepted that all happiness ends sometime, he becomes the Doctor who spends a last night with River Song at the Singing Towers of Darillium...a night that lasts '''twenty-four years''']].

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** Although the Twelfth Doctor is reluctant to be a "boyfriend" and HatesBeingTouched, tender subtext and chemistry continued with his and Clara's relationship even as she took up a romance with Danny Pink central to the in Series 8 story arc. even she gained a boyfriend, Danny Pink. After Danny [[spoiler: Danny was effectively killed three times over]], over the 2014 Christmas special and Series 9 they truly became PlatonicLifePartners. There is a smaller-but-devoted anti-River Song and anti-Danny Pink crowd that supports the 12/Clara pairing, and suffice it to say this group was '''not''' happy to learn that River Song was appearing in the 2015 Christmas special...right after Clara departed at the end of the season. The circumstances "The Husbands of all this turned out River Song" presents River as Twelve's SecondLove. There seem to be as follows: few shippers that accept that Twelve can have ''two'' romantic relationships, and then there's their respective outcomes. With Clara, [[spoiler: Clara is Killed Off For Real; he rescues went mad and suffered for ''four-and-a-half billion years'' to save her from the moment of her death, grave ''after she died'', but this threatens to ''tear apart the universe''. Both realize realizing they '''cannot''' stay were unhealthily codependent they decided they could no longer be together because their love brings out the worst in each other. His mind ends up wiped of '''and''' he lost his key emotional/physical memories of her, though not of their adventures, and they go separate ways. After this, having accepted that all happiness ends sometime, he becomes her due to a mind wipe, which would make a reunion tough to pull off down the Doctor who line]]. With River Song, [[spoiler: he spends a last night 24 happy years with her as their "last night" on the planet Darillium before he sends her to her death, and retains all memories of this]]. This sparks debates over which woman he loved more, to the point that an AlternateCharacterInterpretation regarding his behavior post-"Husbands of River Song at the Singing Towers of Darillium...a night Song" has sprung up among 12/Clara shippers: He's [[spoiler: not brooding over losing River Song, but over losing Clara and his memories now that lasts '''twenty-four years''']]. he doesn't have River as a "distraction" from those losses]].
27th Dec '16 4:02:33 PM nombretomado
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* The cross-canon DieForOurShip is ''ridiculous'' in the ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''AshesToAshes'' fandom. Either you ship Gene Hunt with Sam Tyler, hold [=LOM=] as the superior series, and bash Alex for being a "whiny, bitchy slut who can't keep her knickers on"; or you ship Gene Hunt and Alex Drake, most likely haven't even ''seen'' [=LOM=] and are sick of Sam being mentioned in [=A2A=] so much. Meanwhile, the Chris/Shaz, Alex/anyone else, and Sam/Annie fans are trying to stay clear of the fray and the multishippers are all going "well, that's silly, why ''choose''?"

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* The cross-canon DieForOurShip is ''ridiculous'' in the ''Series/{{Life On Mars|2006}}'' and ''AshesToAshes'' ''Series/AshesToAshes'' fandom. Either you ship Gene Hunt with Sam Tyler, hold [=LOM=] as the superior series, and bash Alex for being a "whiny, bitchy slut who can't keep her knickers on"; or you ship Gene Hunt and Alex Drake, most likely haven't even ''seen'' [=LOM=] and are sick of Sam being mentioned in [=A2A=] so much. Meanwhile, the Chris/Shaz, Alex/anyone else, and Sam/Annie fans are trying to stay clear of the fray and the multishippers are all going "well, that's silly, why ''choose''?"
10th Dec '16 8:01:16 AM Morgenthaler
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* The official couple of ''Series/{{Garo}}'' is Kouga/Kaoru, which leads to dislike of both for different reasons. On one side, Kouga gets some hate from those who would rather pair Kaoru with Leo or Rei, on account of [[spoiler:his initially using her as bait for Horrors, not telling her that she was going to die, and then in the second series not telling her that ''he'' was going to die.]] On the other, Kaoru gets bashing for being weak/inadequate/supposedly not good enough to be the hero's love interest, especially since [[{{Badass}} Jabi]] had feelings for him as well.

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* The official couple of ''Series/{{Garo}}'' is Kouga/Kaoru, which leads to dislike of both for different reasons. On one side, Kouga gets some hate from those who would rather pair Kaoru with Leo or Rei, on account of [[spoiler:his initially using her as bait for Horrors, not telling her that she was going to die, and then in the second series not telling her that ''he'' was going to die.]] On the other, Kaoru gets bashing for being weak/inadequate/supposedly not good enough to be the hero's love interest, especially since [[{{Badass}} Jabi]] Jabi had feelings for him as well.
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