History DieForOurShip / LiveActionTV

9th Jan '18 6:01:50 AM narm00
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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Karen Page is a very polarizing character, and some of the dislike her does appear to stem from those who don't like that she's being set up as Matt's love interest, and would rather Matt be with Claire or Elektra.

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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Karen Page is a very polarizing character, and some of the dislike for her does appear to stem from those who don't like that she's being set up as Matt's love interest, and would rather Matt be with Claire or Elektra.
8th Jan '18 9:23:15 AM KizunaTallis
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** Anastasia Dualla took serious heat from the fans after she was suddenly married to one half of the fandom's FanPreferredCouple. The sloppy handling of the storyline didn't help. Strangely, Sam Anders, who was married to the ''other'' half of the FanPreferredCouple, hasn't garnered much reaction at all. This may be because he's white, male and pretty; or it might be because the fanbase figures that being married to Starbuck is punishment enough. Or that Kara/Anders was handled much better and has a strong fanbase of its own. Lee/Dee fans are a minority.
** Just as suddenly as Lee/Dee came, it went. By the power of one scene, they broke up for good.
** Anders has been turned into an adulterer in {{Fanfic}} before. The fact that he's the faithful one while ''Starbuck'' is the cheater in {{canon}} makes it hilarious that people don't notice the DoubleStandard.
** Sam has also been [[RonTheDeathEater made]] to tamper with birth control, rape Kara, and physically abuse Kara in fanfiction. The last is particularly ironic because Lee Adama beats her to a bloody pulp in canon (granted, it was a boxing match); [[{{Shipmanteau}} Starpollo]] fans maintain that when Lee does it, it's an expression of the pair's equality. In canon, Sam has never laid a hand on Kara (though the reverse isn't true).
** There's been a bit of backlash from Kara/Lee fans because Kara and Sam Anders [[spoiler:ended the series TogetherInDeath (at least that's what Katee Sackhoff believes)]] and, in Ron Moore's own words, Kara and Lee never got past [[spoiler:that moment where they nearly cheated on Zak (her fiance, his brother)]]. Some of them even take umbrage at the suggestion that [[spoiler:Sam, who is a [[ArtificialHuman Cylon]], has a [[OurSoulsAreDifferent soul]]. To quote, "[[CompletelyMissingThePoint Real boys go to Heaven, Toasters need not apply]]]]." To which the standard rebuttal is, "It's canon, bitches!"
*** This is hilarious, because it shows some people entirely missed the point of the narrative regarding the [[spoiler:[[ArtificialHuman Cylons]] and their sentience/humanity]].

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** Anastasia Dualla took serious heat from the fans after she was suddenly married to Lee Adama, one half of the fandom's FanPreferredCouple. [[StrangledByTheRedString The sloppy handling of the storyline didn't help. help]]. Then, just as suddenly as Lee/Dee came, it went. By the power of one scene, they broke up for good, and by the final season, she dies.
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Strangely, Sam Anders, who was married to Kara Thrace, the ''other'' half of the FanPreferredCouple, hasn't garnered as much reaction at all. This may be because he's white, male and pretty; MrFanservice, or it might be because the fanbase figures that being married to Starbuck Kara is punishment enough. Or that Kara/Anders was handled much better and has a strong fanbase of its own. own; Lee/Dee fans are a minority.
** Just as suddenly as Lee/Dee came, it went. By the power of one scene, they broke up for good.
** Anders
minority. He isn't ''totally'' free from this treatment though - Sam has been turned [[RonTheDeathEater made]] into an adulterer in {{Fanfic}} before. The (in spite of fact that he's the faithful one while ''Starbuck'' is the cheater in {{canon}} makes it hilarious that people don't notice the DoubleStandard.
** Sam has also been [[RonTheDeathEater made]] to
{{canon}}), tamper with birth control, rape Kara, and physically abuse Kara in fanfiction. The last is particularly ironic because Lee Adama beats her to a bloody pulp in canon (granted, it was a boxing match); match), yet [[{{Shipmanteau}} Starpollo]] fans maintain that when Lee does it, it's an expression of the pair's equality. In canon, Sam has never laid a hand on Kara (though the reverse isn't true).
** *** There's been a bit also the matter of backlash from Kara/Lee fans because the series finale, in which Kara and Sam Anders [[spoiler:ended the series TogetherInDeath (at least that's what Katee Sackhoff believes)]] and, in Ron Moore's own words, Kara and Lee never got past [[spoiler:that moment where they nearly cheated on Zak (her fiance, his brother)]]. Some of them these shippers even take umbrage at the suggestion that [[spoiler:Sam, who is a [[ArtificialHuman Cylon]], has a [[OurSoulsAreDifferent soul]]. To quote, "[[CompletelyMissingThePoint Real boys go to Heaven, Toasters need not apply]]]]." To soul]], which the standard rebuttal is, "It's canon, bitches!"
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is hilarious, because it shows some people they entirely missed the point of the narrative regarding the [[spoiler:[[ArtificialHuman Cylons]] [[spoiler:Cylons and their sentience/humanity]].
8th Jan '18 6:07:01 AM Nyame
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* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': The Oliver/Felicity fans have became ''infamous'' for this, as well as other bad habits (such as harassing Stephen Amell and other members of the cast and crew on their Facebook pages to demand Oliver hooks up with Felicity), primarily against Laurel and Sara. Laurel is a pretty big BaseBreakingCharacter who borders on being TheScrappy, so a lot of the bashing is, to some extent justified, but a lot of the demand for Sara's head or the declaration that Sara is a either a CreatorsPet or a SpotlightStealingSquad tends to come from resentment from fans of Felicity (and to a lesser extent, from Laurel defenders). While it should be noted that not ''all'' Felicity/Oliver fans [[VocalMinority act this way]], [[FanPreferredCouple there's a comparatively large number of bad ones thanks to how popular the ship is.]]

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The Oliver/Felicity fans have became ''infamous'' for this, as well as other bad habits (such as harassing Stephen Amell and other members of the cast and crew on their Facebook pages to demand Oliver hooks up with Felicity), primarily against Laurel and Sara. Laurel is a pretty big BaseBreakingCharacter who borders on being TheScrappy, so a lot of the bashing is, to some extent justified, but a lot of the demand for Sara's head or the declaration that Sara is a either a CreatorsPet or a SpotlightStealingSquad tends to come from resentment from fans of Felicity (and to a lesser extent, from Laurel defenders). While it should be noted that not ''all'' Felicity/Oliver fans [[VocalMinority act this way]], [[FanPreferredCouple there's a comparatively large number of bad ones thanks to how popular the ship is.]]is]].


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** Note that the above two mainly apply to Seasons One and Two (and to a lesser extent, Season Three). These days, with the Olicity ship having gone from the most popular to [[AbandonShipping the most hated]], this trope applies to Felicity herself, who became more and more despised with each passing season thanks to becoming more of a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad than either of the Lance sisters ever were. That being said, it's arguably ''subverted'' as to why they want her dead -- while a fair few do want Felicity KilledOffForReal so Oliver can be with Laurel like in the comics, or be with Sara (even though she's the lead of [[Series/LegendsOfTomorrow her own show]] now), the majority want Felicity dead because she's TheScrappy and they've come to hate her far more than they ever did Laurel or any other character in the entire Arrowverse. In fact, it's often pointed out that the people who hate Felicity the most are non-shippers who think she (and shipping in general) ruined the show.
15th Dec '17 9:23:55 AM Anddrix
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** Spinelli was already a [[LoveItOrHateIt divisive character]], with a vocal segment of the fandom hating on him for his relationship with Maxie, so it probably wasn't a smart move for the show producers to [[TheScrappy create a female version of him]] in the form of Winnifred, who's even more loathed for breaking up Spinelli and Maxie.

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** Spinelli was already a [[LoveItOrHateIt divisive character]], character, with a vocal segment of the fandom hating on him for his relationship with Maxie, so it probably wasn't a smart move for the show producers to [[TheScrappy create a female version of him]] in the form of Winnifred, who's even more loathed for breaking up Spinelli and Maxie.
13th Nov '17 1:27:16 PM dmcreif
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* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Karen Page is a very polarizing character, and some of the dislike her does appear to stem from those who don't like that she's being set up as Matt's love interest, and would rather Matt be with Claire or Elektra.
20th Oct '17 10:54:19 PM whisperhugscoundrel
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** [[OlderThanTheyThink This was a problem]] going back to old school [[Series/DegrassiHigh Degrassi]]. Fans hated anything that got in the way of Degrassi's first SuperCouple Joey Jeremiah and Caitlyn. When Caitlyn broke up with Joey and started dating a creepy guy named [[RomanticFalseLead Claude]], fans wanted him to go away and die. [[spoiler:And he actually did]].

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** [[OlderThanTheyThink This was a problem]] going back to old school [[Series/DegrassiHigh Degrassi]]. Fans hated anything that got in the way of Degrassi's first SuperCouple Joey Jeremiah and Caitlyn. Caitlin. When Caitlyn Caitlin broke up with Joey and started dating a creepy guy named [[RomanticFalseLead Claude]], fans wanted him to go away and die. [[spoiler:And he actually did]].
16th Oct '17 8:41:10 AM RedScharlach
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* ''Series/StargateUniverse'' had the opposite effect. People wanted Chloe not to die for a ship.. but instead just to die. Instead of fighting between themselves, the shippers of the two major pairings involving Chloe, [[JustFriends Chloe/Eli]] and Chloe/Scott pairings fought together against the group that wanted Chloe dead.

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* ''Series/StargateUniverse'' had the opposite effect. People wanted Chloe not to die for a ship.. ship, but instead just to die. Instead of fighting between themselves, the shippers of the two major pairings involving Chloe, [[JustFriends Chloe/Eli]] and Chloe/Scott pairings Chloe/Scott, fought together against the group that wanted Chloe dead.



** Marita Covarrubias got some of this too, though to a lesser extent. Some of the scenes suggested romance with Mulder, tough not very convincingly.

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** Marita Covarrubias got some of this too, though to a lesser extent. Some of the scenes suggested romance with Mulder, tough though not very convincingly.



** The "Chlollie" ship (Chloe/Oliver) does have it's DieForOurShip-ers, though they're not nearly as numerous as the other ones mentioned above. There are Chlark fans who want both Ollie and Lois to die for the Chlark ship, but also Chimmy (Chloe/Jimmy) fans. They are especially bitter about a letter Chloe left Oliver when she was PutOnABus for much of Season 10, telling him she had never loved anyone as much as him. To hear the Chimmy shippers tell it, you'd think Chloe and Oliver spend their dates tap-dancing on Jimmy's grave.

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** The "Chlollie" ship (Chloe/Oliver) does have it's its DieForOurShip-ers, though they're not nearly as numerous as the other ones mentioned above. There are Chlark fans who want both Ollie and Lois to die for the Chlark ship, but also Chimmy (Chloe/Jimmy) fans. They are especially bitter about a letter Chloe left Oliver when she was PutOnABus for much of Season 10, telling him she had never loved anyone as much as him. To hear the Chimmy shippers tell it, you'd think Chloe and Oliver spend their dates tap-dancing on Jimmy's grave.



*** But Gwen also gets it in the neck from Morgana/Arthur shippers, often with a side of RealWomenNeverWearDresses, since Morgana tends to fill the ActionGirl role more often. This has died down somewhat with third-season revelations that [[spoiler:Arthur and Morgana are half-siblings]] and that [[spoiler:Morgana has gone evil]].

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*** But Gwen also gets it in the neck from Morgana/Arthur shippers, often with a side of RealWomenNeverWearDresses, since Morgana tends to fill the ActionGirl role more often. This has died down somewhat with the third-season revelations that [[spoiler:Arthur and Morgana are half-siblings]] and that [[spoiler:Morgana has gone evil]].



** Anyone who is or feasibly could be shipped with [[TheWoobie Kurt]]. His canon boyfriend [[NiceGuy Blaine]] gets [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderized]] into an emotionally and physically abusive jerk. His StalkerWithACrush Karofsky gets turned from an aggressive, sexually confused bully into a psychopathic rapist. Hell, his [[WhatCouldHaveBeen once-intended boyfriend]], Sam gets this as well. Each faction engages all others in all out ShipToShipCombat for the right of Kurt's affections. The Kurt/Blaine shippers are the most plentiful, though the Kurt/Karofsky and Kurt/someone whose name ends in "um" shippers make up for their lack of numbers with [[VocalMinority sheer volume]]. All three have their fair share of batshittery, but Kurt/Blaine fans are decidedly the more prone to psychotic insanity, including creating tumblrs just to insult kurtofsky shippers and telling them they should die and fabricating false news about Creator/MaxAdler, the actor who plays Karofsky, just to spite his fans. Max seems to also be one of their primary targets, since in an interview for Billboard about his character's attempted suicide in ''[[WhamEpisode On My Way]]'', he commented about having received tweets from people saying they hoped Karofsky could end up succeeding in his attempt and dying so Kurt and Blaine should be together.

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** Anyone who is or feasibly could be shipped with [[TheWoobie Kurt]]. His canon boyfriend [[NiceGuy Blaine]] gets [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderized]] into an emotionally and physically abusive jerk. His StalkerWithACrush Karofsky gets turned from an aggressive, sexually confused bully into a psychopathic rapist. Hell, his [[WhatCouldHaveBeen once-intended boyfriend]], Sam gets this as well. Each faction engages all others in all out ShipToShipCombat for the right of Kurt's affections. The Kurt/Blaine shippers are the most plentiful, though the Kurt/Karofsky and Kurt/someone whose name ends in "um" shippers make up for their lack of numbers with [[VocalMinority sheer volume]]. All three have their fair share of batshittery, but Kurt/Blaine fans are decidedly the more prone to psychotic insanity, including creating tumblrs just to insult kurtofsky Kurtofsky shippers and telling them they should die and fabricating false news about Creator/MaxAdler, the actor who plays Karofsky, just to spite his fans. Max seems to also be one of their primary targets, since in an interview for Billboard about his character's attempted suicide in ''[[WhamEpisode On My Way]]'', he commented about having received tweets from people saying they hoped Karofsky could end up succeeding in his attempt and dying so Kurt and Blaine should be together.



** Mara had also gotten this for being on the wrong end of two pairings- Joy and Jerome, and Nina and Fabian. In the first case, she let her desire for revenge turn her into a JerkAss who was seen as bullying both Joy and Jerome- Jerome by continuously trying to humiliate him in progressively worse ways, Joy by forcing her to pretend to like Jerome, only to break his heart later, and turning against her for developing actual feelings for Jerome. On the Fabian and Nina side, it's simply because, despite Nina's absence during the third season, Fabian and Nina were still one of the most popular pairings, and the way Mara and Fabian got together was seen by a classic example of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** Mara had also gotten this for being on the wrong end of two pairings- pairings: Joy and Jerome, and Nina and Fabian. In the first case, she let her desire for revenge turn her into a JerkAss who was seen as bullying both Joy and Jerome- Jerome Jerome--Jerome by continuously trying to humiliate him in progressively worse ways, Joy by forcing her to pretend to like Jerome, only to break his heart later, and turning against her for developing actual feelings for Jerome. On the Fabian and Nina side, it's simply because, despite Nina's absence during the third season, Fabian and Nina were still one of the most popular pairings, and the way Mara and Fabian got together was seen by a classic example of StrangledByTheRedString.



** Many love interests of Ross and Rachel suffer this, most obviously [[DerailingLoveInterests Paolo and Emily]]. Interestingly Julie, Ross's first RomanticFalseLead, avoids the hate simply because she was so adorably sweet. The writers admit they couldn't even write a break up scene between her and Ross, and she gets her own happy ending with Ross's SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute.
** Richard, despite being a NiceGuy in canon, gets this from some Monica/Chandler fans (though only the extremists, most Monica/Chandler fans - who are pretty much the entire fanbase - are reasonable and don't stoop to this level). To be fair Richard declaring his love for Monica when Chandler was trying to propose and [[InsecureLoveInterest Chandler's]] in-universe jealousy of him doesn't help. Many fans admit that they liked Richard and his early relationship with Monica but disliked him after the hugely popular Chandler/Monica ship set sail.

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** Many love interests of Ross and Rachel suffer this, most obviously [[DerailingLoveInterests Paolo and Emily]]. Interestingly Julie, Ross's first RomanticFalseLead, avoids the hate simply because she was so adorably sweet. The writers admit they couldn't even write a break up break-up scene between her and Ross, and she gets her own happy ending with Ross's SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute.
** Richard, despite being a NiceGuy in canon, gets this from some Monica/Chandler fans (though only the extremists, most Monica/Chandler fans - who are pretty much the entire fanbase - are reasonable and don't stoop to this level). To be fair fair, Richard declaring his love for Monica when Chandler was trying to propose and [[InsecureLoveInterest Chandler's]] in-universe jealousy of him doesn't help. Many fans admit that they liked Richard and his early relationship with Monica but disliked him after the hugely popular Chandler/Monica ship set sail.
10th Oct '17 5:39:02 PM johnsmithxxi
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* ''Series/OurMissBrooks'' has a unique example from its final television season. Marriage to Mr. Boynton has always been her series goal. ExecutiveMeddling saw Miss Brooks take a new job teaching at a private school when Madison High was torn down for a new freeway (somehow Madison High had ended up in Los Angeles after always previously been in the [[EverytownAmerica Madison]]). Miss Brooks found herself chased by the school's gym teacher. The new format was unpopular among show fans, and even Eve Arden herself. Mr. Boynton was brought back toward the end of the season in response to popular demand, and the last few episodes saw Miss Brooks pursue him as of old.
** CanonDiscontinuity is at play here. The events of the final television season were ignored by the radio season, which continued at Madison as per normal. The program ended with a [[TheMovie theatrical]] [[GrandFinale series finale]] that, again, ignored the final television season, and concluded the story at Madison High School (which was in the City of Madison and definitely '''not''' in Los Angeles!). [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10203524/1/Our-Miss-Brooks-The-Reunion-Assembly One fan fiction story explains away the discrepancy]] by detailing the final television series as [[AllJustADream a nightmare]] of Miss Brooks'.

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* ''Series/OurMissBrooks'' has a unique example from its final television season. Marriage to Mr. Boynton has always been her series goal. ExecutiveMeddling saw Miss Brooks take a new job teaching at a private school when Madison High was torn down for a new freeway (somehow Madison High had ended up in Los Angeles after always previously been in the a small city named [[EverytownAmerica Madison]]). Miss Brooks found herself chased by the school's gym teacher. The new format was unpopular among show fans, and even Eve Arden herself. Mr. Boynton was brought back toward the end of the season in response to popular demand, and the last few episodes saw Miss Brooks pursue him as of old.
** CanonDiscontinuity is at play here. The events of the final television season were ignored by the radio season, which continued at Madison as per normal. The program ended with a [[TheMovie theatrical]] [[GrandFinale series finale]] that, again, ignored the final television season, and concluded the story at Madison High School (which was in the City of Madison and definitely '''not''' in Los Angeles!). [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10203524/1/Our-Miss-Brooks-The-Reunion-Assembly One fan fiction story explains away the discrepancy]] by detailing the final television series as [[AllJustADream a nightmare]] of Miss Brooks'.
25th Sep '17 12:02:02 AM BroadwayPhil
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*** As early as the third season, some fans held a contest for fan fiction stories in which Joxer was killed off.
1st Sep '17 3:55:02 PM nombretomado
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* One might wonder if the Ryan/Annie/Greenlee triangle on ''AllMyChildren'' was a parody of or TakeThat at {{shipping}}, given how much Kendall acted like a fanfic [[ShipperOnDeck shipper pushing Greenlee toward Ryan]] and how Annie [[DerailingLoveInterests quickly turned into a murderous psychopath]].

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* One might wonder if the Ryan/Annie/Greenlee triangle on ''AllMyChildren'' ''Series/AllMyChildren'' was a parody of or TakeThat at {{shipping}}, given how much Kendall acted like a fanfic [[ShipperOnDeck shipper pushing Greenlee toward Ryan]] and how Annie [[DerailingLoveInterests quickly turned into a murderous psychopath]].
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