History DieForOurShip / LiveActionTV

20th Oct '17 10:54:19 PM whisperhugscoundrel
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** [[OlderThanTheyThink This was a problem]] going back to old school [[Series/DegrassiHigh Degrassi]]. Fans hated anything that got in the way of Degrassi's first SuperCouple Joey Jeremiah and Caitlyn. When Caitlyn broke up with Joey and started dating a creepy guy named [[RomanticFalseLead Claude]], fans wanted him to go away and die. [[spoiler:And he actually did]].

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** [[OlderThanTheyThink This was a problem]] going back to old school [[Series/DegrassiHigh Degrassi]]. Fans hated anything that got in the way of Degrassi's first SuperCouple Joey Jeremiah and Caitlyn. Caitlin. When Caitlyn Caitlin broke up with Joey and started dating a creepy guy named [[RomanticFalseLead Claude]], fans wanted him to go away and die. [[spoiler:And he actually did]].
16th Oct '17 8:41:10 AM RedScharlach
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* ''Series/StargateUniverse'' had the opposite effect. People wanted Chloe not to die for a ship.. but instead just to die. Instead of fighting between themselves, the shippers of the two major pairings involving Chloe, [[JustFriends Chloe/Eli]] and Chloe/Scott pairings fought together against the group that wanted Chloe dead.

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* ''Series/StargateUniverse'' had the opposite effect. People wanted Chloe not to die for a ship.. ship, but instead just to die. Instead of fighting between themselves, the shippers of the two major pairings involving Chloe, [[JustFriends Chloe/Eli]] and Chloe/Scott pairings Chloe/Scott, fought together against the group that wanted Chloe dead.



** Marita Covarrubias got some of this too, though to a lesser extent. Some of the scenes suggested romance with Mulder, tough not very convincingly.

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** Marita Covarrubias got some of this too, though to a lesser extent. Some of the scenes suggested romance with Mulder, tough though not very convincingly.



** The "Chlollie" ship (Chloe/Oliver) does have it's DieForOurShip-ers, though they're not nearly as numerous as the other ones mentioned above. There are Chlark fans who want both Ollie and Lois to die for the Chlark ship, but also Chimmy (Chloe/Jimmy) fans. They are especially bitter about a letter Chloe left Oliver when she was PutOnABus for much of Season 10, telling him she had never loved anyone as much as him. To hear the Chimmy shippers tell it, you'd think Chloe and Oliver spend their dates tap-dancing on Jimmy's grave.

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** The "Chlollie" ship (Chloe/Oliver) does have it's its DieForOurShip-ers, though they're not nearly as numerous as the other ones mentioned above. There are Chlark fans who want both Ollie and Lois to die for the Chlark ship, but also Chimmy (Chloe/Jimmy) fans. They are especially bitter about a letter Chloe left Oliver when she was PutOnABus for much of Season 10, telling him she had never loved anyone as much as him. To hear the Chimmy shippers tell it, you'd think Chloe and Oliver spend their dates tap-dancing on Jimmy's grave.



*** But Gwen also gets it in the neck from Morgana/Arthur shippers, often with a side of RealWomenNeverWearDresses, since Morgana tends to fill the ActionGirl role more often. This has died down somewhat with third-season revelations that [[spoiler:Arthur and Morgana are half-siblings]] and that [[spoiler:Morgana has gone evil]].

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*** But Gwen also gets it in the neck from Morgana/Arthur shippers, often with a side of RealWomenNeverWearDresses, since Morgana tends to fill the ActionGirl role more often. This has died down somewhat with the third-season revelations that [[spoiler:Arthur and Morgana are half-siblings]] and that [[spoiler:Morgana has gone evil]].



** Anyone who is or feasibly could be shipped with [[TheWoobie Kurt]]. His canon boyfriend [[NiceGuy Blaine]] gets [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderized]] into an emotionally and physically abusive jerk. His StalkerWithACrush Karofsky gets turned from an aggressive, sexually confused bully into a psychopathic rapist. Hell, his [[WhatCouldHaveBeen once-intended boyfriend]], Sam gets this as well. Each faction engages all others in all out ShipToShipCombat for the right of Kurt's affections. The Kurt/Blaine shippers are the most plentiful, though the Kurt/Karofsky and Kurt/someone whose name ends in "um" shippers make up for their lack of numbers with [[VocalMinority sheer volume]]. All three have their fair share of batshittery, but Kurt/Blaine fans are decidedly the more prone to psychotic insanity, including creating tumblrs just to insult kurtofsky shippers and telling them they should die and fabricating false news about Creator/MaxAdler, the actor who plays Karofsky, just to spite his fans. Max seems to also be one of their primary targets, since in an interview for Billboard about his character's attempted suicide in ''[[WhamEpisode On My Way]]'', he commented about having received tweets from people saying they hoped Karofsky could end up succeeding in his attempt and dying so Kurt and Blaine should be together.

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** Anyone who is or feasibly could be shipped with [[TheWoobie Kurt]]. His canon boyfriend [[NiceGuy Blaine]] gets [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderized]] into an emotionally and physically abusive jerk. His StalkerWithACrush Karofsky gets turned from an aggressive, sexually confused bully into a psychopathic rapist. Hell, his [[WhatCouldHaveBeen once-intended boyfriend]], Sam gets this as well. Each faction engages all others in all out ShipToShipCombat for the right of Kurt's affections. The Kurt/Blaine shippers are the most plentiful, though the Kurt/Karofsky and Kurt/someone whose name ends in "um" shippers make up for their lack of numbers with [[VocalMinority sheer volume]]. All three have their fair share of batshittery, but Kurt/Blaine fans are decidedly the more prone to psychotic insanity, including creating tumblrs just to insult kurtofsky Kurtofsky shippers and telling them they should die and fabricating false news about Creator/MaxAdler, the actor who plays Karofsky, just to spite his fans. Max seems to also be one of their primary targets, since in an interview for Billboard about his character's attempted suicide in ''[[WhamEpisode On My Way]]'', he commented about having received tweets from people saying they hoped Karofsky could end up succeeding in his attempt and dying so Kurt and Blaine should be together.



** Mara had also gotten this for being on the wrong end of two pairings- Joy and Jerome, and Nina and Fabian. In the first case, she let her desire for revenge turn her into a JerkAss who was seen as bullying both Joy and Jerome- Jerome by continuously trying to humiliate him in progressively worse ways, Joy by forcing her to pretend to like Jerome, only to break his heart later, and turning against her for developing actual feelings for Jerome. On the Fabian and Nina side, it's simply because, despite Nina's absence during the third season, Fabian and Nina were still one of the most popular pairings, and the way Mara and Fabian got together was seen by a classic example of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** Mara had also gotten this for being on the wrong end of two pairings- pairings: Joy and Jerome, and Nina and Fabian. In the first case, she let her desire for revenge turn her into a JerkAss who was seen as bullying both Joy and Jerome- Jerome Jerome--Jerome by continuously trying to humiliate him in progressively worse ways, Joy by forcing her to pretend to like Jerome, only to break his heart later, and turning against her for developing actual feelings for Jerome. On the Fabian and Nina side, it's simply because, despite Nina's absence during the third season, Fabian and Nina were still one of the most popular pairings, and the way Mara and Fabian got together was seen by a classic example of StrangledByTheRedString.



** Many love interests of Ross and Rachel suffer this, most obviously [[DerailingLoveInterests Paolo and Emily]]. Interestingly Julie, Ross's first RomanticFalseLead, avoids the hate simply because she was so adorably sweet. The writers admit they couldn't even write a break up scene between her and Ross, and she gets her own happy ending with Ross's SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute.
** Richard, despite being a NiceGuy in canon, gets this from some Monica/Chandler fans (though only the extremists, most Monica/Chandler fans - who are pretty much the entire fanbase - are reasonable and don't stoop to this level). To be fair Richard declaring his love for Monica when Chandler was trying to propose and [[InsecureLoveInterest Chandler's]] in-universe jealousy of him doesn't help. Many fans admit that they liked Richard and his early relationship with Monica but disliked him after the hugely popular Chandler/Monica ship set sail.

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** Many love interests of Ross and Rachel suffer this, most obviously [[DerailingLoveInterests Paolo and Emily]]. Interestingly Julie, Ross's first RomanticFalseLead, avoids the hate simply because she was so adorably sweet. The writers admit they couldn't even write a break up break-up scene between her and Ross, and she gets her own happy ending with Ross's SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute.
** Richard, despite being a NiceGuy in canon, gets this from some Monica/Chandler fans (though only the extremists, most Monica/Chandler fans - who are pretty much the entire fanbase - are reasonable and don't stoop to this level). To be fair fair, Richard declaring his love for Monica when Chandler was trying to propose and [[InsecureLoveInterest Chandler's]] in-universe jealousy of him doesn't help. Many fans admit that they liked Richard and his early relationship with Monica but disliked him after the hugely popular Chandler/Monica ship set sail.
10th Oct '17 5:39:02 PM johnsmithxxi
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* ''Series/OurMissBrooks'' has a unique example from its final television season. Marriage to Mr. Boynton has always been her series goal. ExecutiveMeddling saw Miss Brooks take a new job teaching at a private school when Madison High was torn down for a new freeway (somehow Madison High had ended up in Los Angeles after always previously been in the [[EverytownAmerica Madison]]). Miss Brooks found herself chased by the school's gym teacher. The new format was unpopular among show fans, and even Eve Arden herself. Mr. Boynton was brought back toward the end of the season in response to popular demand, and the last few episodes saw Miss Brooks pursue him as of old.
** CanonDiscontinuity is at play here. The events of the final television season were ignored by the radio season, which continued at Madison as per normal. The program ended with a [[TheMovie theatrical]] [[GrandFinale series finale]] that, again, ignored the final television season, and concluded the story at Madison High School (which was in the City of Madison and definitely '''not''' in Los Angeles!). [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10203524/1/Our-Miss-Brooks-The-Reunion-Assembly One fan fiction story explains away the discrepancy]] by detailing the final television series as [[AllJustADream a nightmare]] of Miss Brooks'.

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* ''Series/OurMissBrooks'' has a unique example from its final television season. Marriage to Mr. Boynton has always been her series goal. ExecutiveMeddling saw Miss Brooks take a new job teaching at a private school when Madison High was torn down for a new freeway (somehow Madison High had ended up in Los Angeles after always previously been in the a small city named [[EverytownAmerica Madison]]). Miss Brooks found herself chased by the school's gym teacher. The new format was unpopular among show fans, and even Eve Arden herself. Mr. Boynton was brought back toward the end of the season in response to popular demand, and the last few episodes saw Miss Brooks pursue him as of old.
** CanonDiscontinuity is at play here. The events of the final television season were ignored by the radio season, which continued at Madison as per normal. The program ended with a [[TheMovie theatrical]] [[GrandFinale series finale]] that, again, ignored the final television season, and concluded the story at Madison High School (which was in the City of Madison and definitely '''not''' in Los Angeles!). [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10203524/1/Our-Miss-Brooks-The-Reunion-Assembly One fan fiction story explains away the discrepancy]] by detailing the final television series as [[AllJustADream a nightmare]] of Miss Brooks'.
25th Sep '17 12:02:02 AM BroadwayPhil
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*** As early as the third season, some fans held a contest for fan fiction stories in which Joxer was killed off.
1st Sep '17 3:55:02 PM nombretomado
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* One might wonder if the Ryan/Annie/Greenlee triangle on ''AllMyChildren'' was a parody of or TakeThat at {{shipping}}, given how much Kendall acted like a fanfic [[ShipperOnDeck shipper pushing Greenlee toward Ryan]] and how Annie [[DerailingLoveInterests quickly turned into a murderous psychopath]].

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* One might wonder if the Ryan/Annie/Greenlee triangle on ''AllMyChildren'' ''Series/AllMyChildren'' was a parody of or TakeThat at {{shipping}}, given how much Kendall acted like a fanfic [[ShipperOnDeck shipper pushing Greenlee toward Ryan]] and how Annie [[DerailingLoveInterests quickly turned into a murderous psychopath]].
8th Aug '17 2:25:20 PM narm00
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'''s issues with this trope can only be explained by pointing out one key fact of the franchise--for much of the first 30 years of its existence, the Doctor was ''never'' depicted with an on-screen love interest. Romances as a whole were generally ignored. Some of this was done out of sensitivities of the times -- as the show was geared toward a child audience, it was seen as creepy for a much older man to be flying around in space with young women on his arms. Over time, this led to a large portion of the fandom and even people involved with the franchise to declaring the character essentially celibate, to the point where they even attempted to {{Retcon}} why he had a ''granddaughter'' in his first incarnation in the ExpandedUniverse. So, for all time, there is always a large portion of the ''Doctor Who'' fandom that ships "Doctor/NOBODY!" and violently despises the franchise post-1996, when the series finally started going against the trend and showing him engaging in intimate relationships, and acknowledging that said granddaughter was ''definitely'' by blood and not adopted.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'''s issues with this trope can only be explained by pointing out one key fact of the franchise--for much of the first 30 years of its existence, the Doctor was almost ''never'' depicted with an on-screen love interest.interest, the sole exception being Cameca in 1964's "The Aztecs". Romances as a whole were generally ignored. Some of this was done out of sensitivities of the times -- as the show was geared toward a child audience, it was seen as creepy for a much older man to be flying around in space with young women on his arms. Over time, this led to a large portion of the fandom and even people involved with the franchise to declaring the character essentially celibate, to the point where they even attempted to {{Retcon}} why he had a ''granddaughter'' in his first incarnation in the ExpandedUniverse. So, for all time, there is always a large portion of the ''Doctor Who'' fandom that ships "Doctor/NOBODY!" and violently despises the franchise post-1996, when the series finally started going against the trend and showing him engaging in intimate relationships, and acknowledging that said granddaughter was ''definitely'' by blood and not adopted.



** While it was mostly subtextual, the nice chemistry and occassional hints of romance in the Eleventh Doctor and Clara Oswald's friendship in the second half of Series 7 led some fans to ship the two characters. While [[PlatonicLifePartners the nature of their relationship]] usually draws in the more reasonable fans, some bad apples do occur -- when Eleven regenerated, [[CrackFic a few mean-spirited fanfics]] emerged in which ''[[DisproportionateRetribution Clara murders the Twelfth Doctor]]'' ''[[UnfortunateImplications for being old and less approachable]]''.

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** While it was mostly subtextual, the nice chemistry and occassional occasional hints of romance in the Eleventh Doctor and Clara Oswald's friendship in the second half of Series 7 led some fans to ship the two characters. While [[PlatonicLifePartners the nature of their relationship]] usually draws in the more reasonable fans, some bad apples do occur -- when Eleven regenerated, [[CrackFic a few mean-spirited fanfics]] emerged in which ''[[DisproportionateRetribution Clara murders the Twelfth Doctor]]'' ''[[UnfortunateImplications for being old and less approachable]]''.
9th Jul '17 11:36:41 PM manicpixienightmare
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* On the Daytime SoapOpera ''Series/GeneralHospital'', Liz Webber and Sam [=McCall=] have been reviled by each other's fans ever since they became involved in a LoveTriangle over Jason Morgan. Fans of the Sam/Jason pairing hate Liz for having given birth to Jason's firstborn child and will often bring up that Liz is a married woman who is lying to her husband Lucky about the paternity of the child. Fans of the Liz/Jason pairing counter by bringing up Sam's con-woman past and that Sam slept with her stepfather (a one-night stand which Jason found out about, which led to Jason sleeping with Liz and getting her pregnant). Then again, the couple of Liz and Lucky has a strong fanbase too, leading to much rabid Jason hate. Since Sam and Lucky [[PairTheSpares (inevitably)]] hooked up, this led to many Sam/Jason fans becoming ShipMates with Liz/Lucky fans and Liz/Jason fans becoming ShipMates with Sam/Lucky fans. This had the effect of calming the respective hatreds towards the characters involved for a while.

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* On the Daytime SoapOpera ''Series/GeneralHospital'', Liz Webber and Sam [=McCall=] have been reviled by each other's fans ever since they became involved in a LoveTriangle over Jason Morgan. Fans of the Sam/Jason pairing hate Liz for having given birth to Jason's firstborn child and will often bring up that Liz is a married woman who is lying to her husband Lucky about the paternity of the child.Jake. Also, that Liz kept Danny's maternity a secret so Sam would believe he was dead and wouldn't go back to Jason. As well as her lying about Jason's identity to everyone when he had amnesia in order to keep him from Sam. Fans of the Liz/Jason pairing counter by bringing up Sam's con-woman past and that Sam slept with her stepfather (a one-night stand which Jason found out about, which led to Jason sleeping with Liz and getting her pregnant). Then again, the couple of Liz and Lucky has a strong fanbase too, leading to much rabid Jason hate. Since Sam and Lucky [[PairTheSpares (inevitably)]] hooked up, this led to many Sam/Jason fans becoming ShipMates with Liz/Lucky fans and Liz/Jason fans becoming ShipMates with Sam/Lucky fans. This had the effect of calming the respective hatreds towards the characters involved for a while.
11th Jun '17 8:11:58 PM nombretomado
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* Though ''XenaWarriorPrincess'' existed during the early days of the Internet, that didn't stop one of the first and bloodiest full-scale [[ShipToShipCombat ship wars]] between Xena/Gabrielle shippers (aka [[SubText 'Subbers']]) and Xena/Ares shippers (simply known as Shippers throughout the fandom -- those were much simpler days).

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* Though ''XenaWarriorPrincess'' ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' existed during the early days of the Internet, that didn't stop one of the first and bloodiest full-scale [[ShipToShipCombat ship wars]] between Xena/Gabrielle shippers (aka [[SubText 'Subbers']]) and Xena/Ares shippers (simply known as Shippers throughout the fandom -- those were much simpler days).
27th May '17 4:27:31 AM jormis29
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** Reinette, [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Madame de Pompadour]], showed up for the episode "The Girl in the Fireplace" and explored a deep and intimate relationship with the Doctor (even though he only knew her for about five minutes!). The episode won multiple awards for its writing quality, but you'd never know that from the number of people who wanted her to die in that very fireplace. They've even gone as far as to suggest that the episode was only written so David Tennant could have an on-screen fling with his girlfriend Sophia Myles, ignoring that the episode was written before Tennant's casting and Myles and Tennant only met on the set of the episode in the first place!

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** Reinette, [[HistoricalDomainCharacter Madame de Pompadour]], showed up for the episode "The Girl in the Fireplace" and explored a deep and intimate relationship with the Doctor (even though he only knew her for about five minutes!). The episode won multiple awards for its writing quality, but you'd never know that from the number of people who wanted her to die in that very fireplace. They've even gone as far as to suggest that the episode was only written so David Tennant could have an on-screen fling with his girlfriend Sophia Myles, Creator/SophiaMyles, ignoring that the episode was written before Tennant's casting and Myles and Tennant only met on the set of the episode in the first place!
17th May '17 7:16:39 PM nombretomado
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* On ''UglyBetty'', Henry's girlfriend Charlie came under fire for getting in the way of Henry/Betty. The show decided to follow through, gradually changing Charlie's personality from "basically nice person" to "evil, deceitful bitch".

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* On ''UglyBetty'', ''Series/UglyBetty'', Henry's girlfriend Charlie came under fire for getting in the way of Henry/Betty. The show decided to follow through, gradually changing Charlie's personality from "basically nice person" to "evil, deceitful bitch".
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