History DethroningMoment / SUPERSMASHBROS

* Tropers/{{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Sixteen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they add up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual reveal of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. There is no excuse, no reason he couldn't be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the characters.

* Tropers/{{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Sixteen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they add up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual reveal of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. There is no excuse, no reason he couldn't be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the franchises.

* Tropers/{{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Sixteen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they add up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual reveal of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. There is no excuse, no reason he could be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the franchises.

* Tropers/{{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Sixteen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they add up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual reveal of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. They're no excuse, no reason he could be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the franchises.

* Tropers/{{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Sixteen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they add up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual revel of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. They're no excuse, no reason he could be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the franchises.

* Tropers/ {{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Sixteen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they add up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual revel of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. They're no excuse, no reason he could be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the franchises.

* Tropers/ {{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Six teen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they add up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual revel of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. They're no excuse, no reason he could be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the franchises.

* Tropers/ {{SirSullymore}} Thte blatant Kid Icarus bias in Wiiu/3DS. The series only has three games (only one of which was released in the past twenty years) but Sakurai made one of em so a little love is to be expected, but he went overboard. When Palutena was announced I rolled my eyes a bit, did this series really need two reps? Probably not, but what the hell, she seems cool. Then the assist trophies. Kid Icarus has two, which is cool. I'd like to see Star Fox get two or Donkey Kong get ONE, but what ever. Then the items were shown. Kid Icarus has six new ones. A bit excessive, but hey the Mario series has way more. Then there's Smash run...how man Kid Icarus enemies are there (as of the time of this writing)? Six teen! If you combine the Mario, Donkey Kong, and Yoshi enemies they ad up to fourteen. Of course, the ultimate insult was the eventual revel of Dark-mother fucking-Pit being his own character. They're no excuse, no reason he could be an alt color (I can't even say alt costume). Nintendo, make Sakurai develop one game in each of your franchises so the next SSB can have some love for all the franchises.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I really hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the only time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It especially got confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and that is what ultimately made me mad.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I really hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the only time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It especially got confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and that is what ultimately made me mad.
* Tropers/{{Midna}}: Pac-Man's confirmation for the fourth game wasn't entirely what put me off from buying either version at all, but it sure didn't help. He has nothing to do with Nintendo aside from a small handful of console exclusives that really aren't good enough to justify his position. What makes this a dethroning moment is that Sakurai had the balls to outright lie about the situation: "Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn't at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game[...]" If that's the case, then why Pac-Man? Why him and not an actual Nintendo character? Why him, a character literally inspired by a cheese pizza, eating up (no pun intended) a slot that could have gone to a Nintendo character we haven't seen in years, like Mike Jones or Takamaru or Lip?

* Tropers/{{Midna}}: Pac-Man's confirmation for the fourth game wasn't entirely what put me off from buying either version at all, but it sure didn't help. He has nothing to do with Nintendo aside from a small handful of console exclusives that really aren't good enough to justify his position. Sakurai even had the balls to outright lie about the situation: "Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn't at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game[...]" If that's the case, then why Pac-Man? Why him and not an actual Nintendo character? Why him, a character literally inspired by a cheese pizza, eating up (no pun intended) a slot that could have gone to a Nintendo character we haven't seen in years, like Mike Jones or Takamaru or Lip?

* Tropers/{{lazyfox}}: Now, I loved ''SuperSmashBros Brawl''. I thought Subspace Emissary was good considering that no characters talked throughout the entire thing (except Snake's one introduction line). However, there's one thing that really, really irritated me: Sonic getting the shaft when it came to story in Subspace Emissary. Now, whether you love or hate him (or are just sick of him), there's no denying that he's the most widely anticipated character to appear in SSB. And all you give him is a single BigDamnHeroes moment with [[AssPull absolutely no explanation?]] [[WhatTheHellHero What the hell, Sakurai?]] Where did he come from? What was he doing? How did he get there? Why was he there? One of the things I looked forward to the most was seeing him interact with the Nintendo characters. Hell, it would've awesome if [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it was Sonic that Mario had to travel with, forcing two of gaming's biggest rivals to work together and maybe overcome their bitter rivalry throughout the course of the story.]] But nope. Fans played through hours of story, going through a painful and tedious maze, and what was the payoff? A single, short moment with no context. To this day, it still [[FamilyGuy grinds my gears.]]

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I really hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the only time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It especially got confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and that is what ultimately made me mad.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I really hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the only time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It especially got confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and that is what ultimately made me mad.
* Tropers/{{Midna}}: Everything about Pac-Man's confirmation for the fourth game. Every goddamn thing. He has nothing to do with Nintendo aside from a small handful of console exclusives that really aren't good enough to justify his position. When most people think of Pac-Man, they think of a video arcade, not an NES. Sakurai even had the balls to outright lie about the situation: "Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn't at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game[...]" If that's the case, then why Pac-Man? Why him and not an actual Nintendo character? Why him, a character literally inspired by a cheese pizza, eating up (no pun intended) a slot that could have gone to a Nintendo character we haven't seen in years, like Mike Jones or Takamaru or Lip? There is literally no reason for him to exist in the game in any form except blind favoritism.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I really hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the only time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It especially got confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and that is what ultimately made me mad.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I really hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the only time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It especially got confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and that is what ultimately made me mad.
* Tropers/{{CM302}} For me, the worst one of these in Brawl wasn't a story scene in the Subspace Emissary, but pretty much just Wario's entire portrayal from start to finish. Not only did they completely fail to consider the existence of games outside the WarioWare series (aka ''VideoGame/WarioLand'', ''VideoGame/WarioWorld'' and ''VideoGame/WarioMasterOfDisguise'') in his moveset (Wario's trademark shoulder barge is the only thing from said series, and that's not even a special), but they then didn't bother to remix a single song from one of these games for any stages, nor to add any bosses, assist trophies, trophies in general or even a stage to represent them. So the entire first ten or so years of Wario's history was reduced to a costume, one smash attack and some stickers. And then even with a WarioWare stage/assist trophy, that kind of got screwed as well, without a single trophy based on it in the game. Add an overuse of ToiletHumour (which is somewhat less common in either franchise) and Wario's somewhat bland portrayal in the Subspace Emissary, and all I can say is how much of an embarassment his Brawl portrayal really was.

* Tropers/{{ShiningwingX}}: It gets even worse as the game goes on but the biggest kicker for me has to be toward the end. After all the characters are turned into trophies by Tabuu's DeathRay attack, who among them turn out to be the ones to [[BigDamnHeroes save them all]], and without whom the bad guys would have won? Kirby, and King Dedede. Somehow, Dedede had more [[GenreSavvy insight into what was really going on]] than any other character and [[TheChessmaster PLANNED for this]] with the revival badges. Up until this point Bowser and Ganondorf are known to have much more internal knowledge and involvement in the plot, especially with the scenes showing Ganondorf frequently speaking to [[{{God}} Master Hand]] himself (who, we discover is being manipulated by [[PuppeteerParasite Tabuu]]. Throughout the course of the story Dedede is shown to be just above Wario when it comes to being in the know so how in the WORLD could he have figured things out so easily when even Ganondorf was unable to? Its never explained but for an [[AllThereInTheManual extremely vague explanation by Nintendo on the game's website]], which mostly boiled down to "He just knew". As for Kirby, how does he manage to wake up and save the day after being blasted by Tabuu along with everyone else? He [[JustEatTheMacGuffin just eats]] [[IncrediblyLamePun the revival badge]].

* Tropers/{{CM302}} For me, the worst one of these in Brawl wasn't a story scene in the Subspace Emissary, but pretty much just Wario's entire portrayal from start to finish. Not only did they completely fail to consider the existence of games outside the WarioWare series (aka ''VideoGame/WarioLand'', ''VideoGame/WarioWorld'' and ''VideoGame/WarioMasterOfDisguise'') in his moveset (Wario's trademark shoulder barge is the only thing from said series, and that's not even a special), but they then didn't bother to remix a single song from one of these games for any stages, nor to add any bosses, assist trophies, trophies in general or even a stage to represent them. So the entire first ten or so years of Wario's history was reduced to a costume, one smash attack and some stickers. And then even with a WarioWare stage/assist trophy, that kind of got screwed as well, without a single trophy based on it in the game. Add an overuse of ToiletHumour (which is somewhat less common in either franchise) and Wario's somewhat bland portrayal in the Subspace Emissary, and all I can say is how much of an embarassment his Brawl portrayal really was.
* Tropers/{{Mistermister}} I was really, really hoping that SSB4 would bring in some much-needed spotlight for ''{{Franchise/Metroid}}'', which is my most favorite Nintendo franchise. I was waiting 15 years for Sakurai to finally give Metroid its much needed second rep, which would be either [[ArchEnemy Ridley]] or [[VideoGame/MetroidPrime Dark Samus]]. When Brawl was revealed in 2006, I was outright opposed to Zero Suit Samus's inclusion because it felt degrading to reduce Samus, who is ''the'' original ActionGirl of video games, to a mere sex symbol for perverts to fawn over (and I'm well aware of Nintendo doing this before in the past). Nonetheless, I remained hopeful that Nintendo would give Samus one of her main antagonists to fight as player characters in the game. But my hopes were crushed when Ridley was not only shown to be a boss, but a really crappy one: He fought almost ''EXACTLY'' like [[Franchise/{{Kirby}} Dyna-Blade]] from the Kirby series, mixed with some Master Hand to boot. If they were going to make Ridley a boss, they should've at least made him fight like he did in the actual games! I had to wait another six freakin' years for see if Sakurai would (hopefully) deliver for Metroid, now that it was in limbo after the critical failure of ''Other M''. He stated before in an interview with ''Nintendo Power'' that if he and his team put their best efforts in Brawl, they might have been able to make Ridley playable in that game so that must have meant they were planning to put him in SSB4 right? Well, imagine my disappointment and seething hatred for Sakurai when during the Smash Direct, they took one of the most highly requested characters in the Western world, an iconic figure in his franchise, and made him a boss again (after his mixed reception in Brawl)! And to add insult to injury, they made Dark Samus, who's ''also'' a pretty decently requested ''Metroid'' character, and made her an Assist Trophy! People go on about how Mega Man is being mistreated by Capcom, and while they may be right, the same could be same for Metroid and Nintendo. If Sakurai thought a more sexy Samus was the best way to appease Metroid fans after the sorry state ''Other M'' put the franchise in, then I'm sorry to say that I've lost all faith in the guy.

* Tropers/{{Mistermister}} I was really, really hoping that SSB4 would bring in some much-needed spotlight for ''{{Franchise/Metroid}}'', which is my most favorite Nintendo franchise. I was waiting 15 years for Sakurai to finally give Metroid its much needed second rep, which would be either [[ArchEnemy Ridley]] or [[VideoGame/MetroidPrime Dark Samus]]. When Brawl was revealed in 2006, I was outright opposed to Zero Suit Samus's inclusion because it felt degrading to reduce Samus, who is ''the'' original ActionGirl of video games, to a mere sex symbol for perverts to fawn over (and I'm well aware of Nintendo doing this before in the past). Nonetheless, I remained hopeful that Nintendo would give Samus one of her main antagonists to fight as player characters in the game. But my hopes were crushed when Ridley was not only shown to be a boss, but a really crappy one: He fought almost ''EXACTLY'' like [[Franchise/{{Kirby}} Dyna-Blade]] from the Kirby series, mixed with some Master Hand to boot. If they were going to make Ridley a boss, they should've at least made him fight like he did in the actual games! I had to wait another six freakin' years for see if Sakurai would (hopefully) deliver for Metroid, now that it was in limbo after the critical failure of ''Other M''. He stated before in an interview with ''Nintendo Power'' that if he and his team put their best efforts in Brawl, they might have been able to make Ridley playable in that game so that must have meant they were planning to put him in SSB4 right? Well, imagine my disappointment and seething hatred for Sakurai when during the Smash Direct, they took one of the most highly requested characters in the Western world, an iconic figure in his franchise, and made him a boss again (after his mixed reception in Brawl)! And to add insult to injury, they made Dark Samus, who's ''also'' a pretty decently requested ''Metroid'' character, and made her an Assist Trophy! People go on about how Mega Man is being mistreated by Capcom, and while they may be right, the same could be same for Metroid. If Sakurai thought a more sexy Samus was the best way to appease Metroid fans after the sorry state ''Other M'' put the franchise in, then I'm sorry to say that I've lost all faith in the guy.

* Tropers/{{CM302}} For me, the worst one of these in Brawl wasn't a story scene in the Subspace Emissary, but pretty much just Wario's entire portrayal from start to finish. Not only did they completely fail to consider the existence of games outside the WarioWare series (aka ''VideoGame/WarioLand'', ''VideoGame/WarioWorld'' and ''VideoGame/WarioMasterOfDisguise'') in his moveset (Wario's trademark shoulder barge is the only thing from said series, and that's not even a special), but they then didn't bother to remix a single song from one of these games for any stages, nor to add any bosses, assist trophies, trophies in general or even a stage to represent them. So the entire first ten or so years of Wario's history was reduced to a costume, one smash attack and some stickers. And then even with a WarioWare stage/assist trophy, that kind of got screwed as well, without a single trophy based on it in the game. Add an overuse of ToiletHumour (which is somewhat less common in either franchise) and Wario's somewhat bland portrayal in the Subspace Emissary, and all I can say is how much of an embarassment his Brawl portrayal really was.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I really hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the only time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It especially got confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and that is what ultimately made me mad.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I REALLY hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the ONLY time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It got REALLY confusing by the end where none of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and THAT is what REALLY made me mad.

* Tropers/{{IthoughtyouwereLuigi}} The thing that I REALLY hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the ONLY time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It got REALLY confusing by the end where non of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and THAT is what REALLY made me mad.

The thing that I REALLY hated about the story in Brawl was how confusing it was, the ONLY time I could get what was going on was at the beginning. It got REALLY confusing by the end where non of the previously established villains were even the main villain,not even Master Hand was the main villain!Instead we get Tabuu, who not only makes no sense, but also broke the already well established "just a kid playing with his toys" theme, and THAT is what REALLY made me mad.- IthoughtyouwereLuigi

* Tropers/{{Ninetails2000}} Brawl is a magnificent installment in the series, and nearly every part of it is brilliant!...But...the one thing I can't overlook is the blatant bias against the king of koopas. Bowser is always a big name whenever he pops up, a big threat when portrayed seriously and, in cases where he's part of a group, he usually acts as the AxeCrazy BigFun. Not here. Here, he's stuck doing anything and everything any other villain could be doing. The only part of his iconic nature that's actually used is his Koopa Clown Car and his penchant for kidnapping princesses over anyone else. This is incredibly infuriating for Bowser fans such as myself who were expecting him to be a more active antagonist for Mario. His [[spoiler: fight against Dedede]] is the closest he gets to his typical AxeCrazy personification as well, which ends with him on the receiving end of not just a swift beatdown, but [[spoiler: a dismissive bitchslap]] for his efforts. Don't get me wrong, he does play his part in the story, but it always felt like he didn't get as much development as he could have in the story.

* Tropers/{{Ninetails2000}} Brawl is a magnificent installment in the series, and nearly every part of it is brilliant!...But...the one thing I can't overlook is the blatant bias against the king of koopas. Bowser is always a big name whenever he pops up, a big threat when portrayed seriously and, in cases where he's part of a group, he usually acts as the AxeCrazy BigFun. Not here. Here, he's stuck doing anything and everything any other villain could be doing. The only part of his iconic nature that's actually used is his Koopa Clown Car and his penchant for kidnapping princesses over anyone else. This is incredibly infuriating for Bowser fans such as myself who were expecting him to be a more active antagonist for Mario. His [[spoiler: fight against Dedede]] is the closest he gets to his typical AxeCrazy personification as well, which ends with him on the receiving end of not just a swift beatdown, but [[spoiler: a dismissive bitchslap]] for his efforts. Don't get me wrong, he does play his part in the story, but it always felt like he didn't get as much development as he could have in the story.
* Angel Loving Dude: Melee is definitely one of the best games for the GameCube. But I must ask...what was the point of the C-stick controlling the camera in 1P Mode? In Melee mode, it functions as a way to do Smash attacks without having to hold down the A button, which allows for much quicker attacks. But in 1P Mode, this function is disabled in favor of the ability to control the camera. This is especially crippling for the later Events which require lightning-fast responses. What makes this even more illogical is that the camera automatically moves to the best position for you.

* Tropers/{{Ninetails2000}} Brawl is a magnificent installment in the series, and nearly every part of it is brilliant!...But...the one thing I can't overlook is the blatant bias against the king of koopas. Bowser is always a big name whenever he pops up, a big threat when portrayed seriously and, in cases where he's part of a group, he usually acts as the AxeCrazy BigFun. Not here. Here, he's stuck doing anything and everything any other villain could be doing. The only part of his iconic nature that's actually used is his Koopa Clown Car and his penchant for kidnapping princesses over anyone else. This is incredibly infuriating for Bowser fans such as myself who were expecting him to be a more active antagonist for Mario. His [[spoiler: fight against Dedede]] is the closest he gets to his typical AxeCrazy personification as well, which ends with him on the receiving end of not just a swift beatdown, but [[spoiler: a dismissive bitchslap]] for his efforts. Don't get me wrong, he does play his part in the story, but it always felt like he didn't get as much development as he could have in the story.

* Tropers/{{Tyrathius}}: The Kirby characters were a bit of a SpotlightStealingSquad for pretty much the entire game, but there's one moment in particular I thought was really stupid: The beginning of the game. The stadium is attacked by primids, but they are easily defeated by Mario, Kirby, Peach and Zelda. But then Petey Pirahna shows up, and somehow manages to OneHitKO Mario, a character who has defeated him with ease numerous times in his own series. Petey then preceeds to capture Zelda and Peach without a fight, even though both of them are capable fighters in their own right. Yeah, a minor boss is able to defeat three of Nintendo's biggest name characters, for seemingly no reason other than to force you to do the subsequent boss fight using Kirby. Not only is that a bad idea from a gameplay perspective (what if the player just isn't any good with Kirby?) it makes Kirby seem like an unbeatable MarySue who trounces threats the other characters can't handle with ease. Even if they wanted the Princesses captured as a nod to their DistressedDamsel roles in their main series, there was no reason to get rid of Mario.

** Tropers/{{Ninetails2000}} Dedede stone Wario's trophies [[spoiler: to add to his army of fighters for when the shit inevitably hit the fan concerning the subspace army. He knew of Tabuu's plans and was trying to prepare a group of trophyfied fighters to use his revival badges on.]] He targeted Wario because he was riding around with a truckload of trophies, and he never comes into contact with Bowser. It is understandable for Dedede's actions to be interpeted as simple trolling, as [[AllThereInTheManual it was cut from the game proper and only explained on the dojo website]]...which was promptly removed in favor of a new website for the new installment.