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* Tropers/NTroper: The one scene that cemented Carter's status as a {{Jerkass}}: The scene in "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS5E16NoChrisLeftBehind No Chris Left Behind]]" where he [[KickTheDog went to a local orphanage, picked out a kid, filled out all the paperwork, and then didn't took him home. While taunting the orphan kid from inside the car packed with toys and a puppy. Just for fun]]. And to add insult to injury, he stated just before that scene that he does it every month. That's just cruel. Nothing else, just cruel. [[LamarckWasRight Any wonders on why Lois became such a]] BitchInSheepsClothing [[LamarckWasRight recently? Besides all the crap she has to put up with regarding Peter?]]

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* Tropers/NTroper: The one scene that cemented Carter's status as a {{Jerkass}}: The scene in "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS5E16NoChrisLeftBehind No Chris Left Behind]]" where he [[KickTheDog went to a local orphanage, picked out a kid, filled out all the paperwork, and then didn't took take him home. While taunting the orphan kid from inside the car packed with toys and a puppy. Just for fun]]. And to add insult to injury, he stated just before that scene that he does it every month. That's just cruel. Nothing else, just cruel. [[LamarckWasRight Any wonders on why Lois became such a]] BitchInSheepsClothing [[LamarckWasRight recently? Besides all the crap she has to put up with regarding Peter?]]
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* Tropers/MisterToodleoo: I enjoyed the episode "Bend or Blockbuster" except for one scene. In it, the Griffins try to make a pitstop, but leave when they see a bunch of people wearing MAGA hats. As they leave, the MAGA crowd stares at them and acts like a murder of crows, complete with saying the word "Trump" instead of cawing. I feel that this scene, along with the Texas stuff mentioned on this page, are not jokes and are what Hollywood elites actually think the outside world is like. I really wish they wouldn't spread their "Mean World Syndrome" to impressionable viewers. (And by the way, I'm afraid of crow attacks.)
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* Tropers/UFOYeah: I can hardly believe that it took this long, but it happened. "The Munchurian Candidate" finally crossed a line I thought the show would never cross. Both plots are inane in their own ways, but the main plot is just...horrible. The subplot is bad enough, with Brian and Chris acting incredibly out of character, insulting Stewie within earshot multiple times, then doing it again after finally convincing him to spare them. Both characters, despite their rough patches with Stewie, have a bond with him that makes their behavior in this episode about as plausible as a standard-length episode of Family Guy having no cutaway gags...oh wait, that actually happened, and there's a random case of Meg-bashing at the end to round the subplot out. But the main plot, oh boy, the main plot. The premise of Lois seeing a therapist to help with her's and Peter's sex life seems simple enough. [[WellThisIsNotThatTrope But it's not about that]]. It's about Lois having Peter hypnotized to perform oral sex on her whenever he hears a certain phrase. It goes without saying that this is a form of ''rape'', yet nobody questions it, not even the hypnotherapist who Peter and Lois were appointed to, in fact, what the hypotherapist does is worse. She doesn't tell Lois "I can't hypnotize your husband into giving you oral sex, it wouldn't be consensual" (note that the episode establishes that Peter doesn't enjoy performing oral sex on Lois beforehand), she just goes along with it. Seriously, this episode hits a new low, even post-SeasonalRot standards.

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* Tropers/UFOYeah: I can hardly believe that it took this long, but it happened. "The Munchurian Candidate" finally crossed a line I thought the show would never cross. Both plots are inane in their own ways, but the main plot is just...horrible. The subplot is bad enough, with Brian and Chris acting incredibly out of character, insulting Stewie within earshot multiple times, then doing it again after finally convincing him to spare them. Both characters, despite their rough patches with Stewie, have a bond with him that makes their behavior in this episode about as plausible as a standard-length episode of Family Guy having no cutaway gags...oh wait, that actually happened, and there's a random case of Meg-bashing at the end to round the subplot out. But the main plot, oh boy, the main plot. The premise of Lois seeing a therapist to help with her's and Peter's sex life seems simple enough. [[WellThisIsNotThatTrope But it's not about that]]. It's about Lois having Peter hypnotized to perform oral sex on her whenever he hears a certain phrase. It goes without saying that this is a form of ''rape'', yet nobody questions it, not even the hypnotherapist who Peter and Lois were appointed to, in fact, what the hypotherapist does is worse. She doesn't tell Lois "I can't hypnotize your husband into giving you oral sex, it wouldn't be consensual" (note that the episode establishes that Peter doesn't enjoy performing oral sex on Lois beforehand), she just goes along with it. The point where the episode really crosses the line is when the trigger phrase is heard when Peter brings dinner to Lois' mother, who is bedridden. The result: Peter performs oral sex on his own mother-in-law (who is in her 60s, possibly even 70), and Lois witnesses it and screams in horror. Seriously, this episode hits a new low, even post-SeasonalRot standards. Cutaway gags might be random, sometimes unfunny, and ultimately pointless, but I'll gladly watch more of them if it means that the show doesn't have to resort to pulling stuff like this.
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* Tropers/UFOYeah: I can hardly believe that it took this long, but it happened. "The Munchurian Candidate" finally crossed a line I thought the show would never cross. Both plots are inane in their own ways, but the main plot is just...horrible. The subplot is bad enough, with Brian and Chris acting incredibly out of character, insulting Stewie within earshot multiple times, then doing it again after finally convincing him to spare them. Both characters, despite their rough patches with Stewie, have a bond with him that makes their behavior in this episode about as plausible as a standard-length episode of Family Guy having no cutaway gags...oh wait, that actually happened, and there's a random case of Meg-bashing at the end to round the subplot out. But the main plot, oh boy, the main plot. The premise of Lois seeing a therapist to help with her's and Peter's sex life seems simple enough. [[WellThisIsNotThatTrope But it's not about that]]. It's about Lois having Peter hypnotized to perform oral sex on her whenever he hears a certain phrase. It goes without saying that this is a form of ''rape'', yet nobody questions it, not even the hypnotherapist who Peter and Lois were appointed to, in fact, what the hypotherapist does is worse. She doesn't tell Lois "I can't hypnotize your husband into giving you oral sex, it wouldn't be consensual" (note that the episode establishes that Peter doesn't enjoy performing oral sex on Lois beforehand), she just goes along with it. Seriously, this episode hits a new low, even post-SeasonalRot standards.
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* Tropers/JBarefoot1992: I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned the episode "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS3E19StuckTogetherTornApart Stuck Together Torn Apart]]" yet. Now, don't get me wrong, the episode itself is not really bad, I mean, both the Peter/Lois and especially the Brian/Stewie stories were actually quite good and the episode itself had a very decent amount of memorable jokes but two specific moments that I absolutely hated and that I consider to be the beginning of the downfall of the show are often overlooked here, which are the moment when Meg Griffin gets smashed by a piano due to her mother being surprised to see one of her ex-boyfriends with Meg herself asking anyone to help her and no one paying the slightest attention to her suffering and the other one, for me, being the actual beginning of the downfall of the series which involves Lois Griffin reading a very private piece of Meg's diary to the whole family with everyone laughing at it and even after Meg showed up quite devastated by what her family and especially, her mother did, her father just says: "Keep going", as if nothing happened. Now this moment in particular really enervates me a lot because this, for me, was the moment when Family Guy officially started giving up on any kind of standards they had up until that point and from there on, it only got worse and worse. This was pretty much the moment Lois Griffin ceased to be a fairly decent yet with a bit of an edge kind of mother and Peter started to become the lousy, ubnoxious father he would later become as the series continued, not to mention the fact that her entire family took part on that. All this, for me, counts as the first real dethroning moment of suck and from then on, things only got worse and worse, especially a few episodes after the revival with Season 4, more specifically after "Petarded" but that's another story and some tropers have already talked about it.

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* Tropers/JBarefoot1992: I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned the episode "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS3E19StuckTogetherTornApart Stuck Together Torn Apart]]" yet. Now, don't get me wrong, the episode itself is not really bad, I mean, both the Peter/Lois and especially the Brian/Stewie stories were actually quite good and the episode itself had a very decent amount of memorable jokes but two specific moments that I absolutely hated and that I consider to be the beginning of the downfall of the show are often overlooked here, which are the moment when Meg Griffin gets smashed by a piano due to her mother being surprised to see one of her ex-boyfriends with Meg herself asking anyone to help her and no one paying the slightest attention to her suffering and the other one, for me, being the actual beginning of the downfall of the series which involves Lois Griffin reading a very private piece of Meg's diary to the whole family with everyone laughing at it and even after Meg showed up quite devastated by what her family and especially, her mother did, her father just says: "Keep going", as if nothing happened. Now this moment in particular really enervates me a lot because this, for me, was the moment when Family Guy officially started giving up on any kind of standards they had up until that point and from there on, it only got worse and worse. This was pretty much the moment Lois Griffin ceased to be a fairly decent yet with a bit of an edge kind of mother and Peter started to become the lousy, ubnoxious obnoxious father he would later become as the series continued, not to mention the fact that her entire family took part on that. All this, for me, counts as the first real dethroning moment of suck and from then on, things only got worse and worse, especially a few episodes after the revival with Season 4, more specifically after "Petarded" but that's another story and some tropers have already talked about it.



* Tropers/{{Krendall}}: I have a couple issues with "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS4E6Petarded Petarded]]". It's odd since I find the episode itself funny, but I think the decline of the show (or at least Peter's character) can be traced to this episode. By making Peter technically developmentally disabled, it now gave the writers free reign to make him do even the stupidest of acts. If anyone calls them out on it, they can just say, "Well... he's developmentally disabled." Of course, this just makes every one of Peter's stupid and/or jackassy actions [[UnfortunateImplications a slap in the face to actual developmentally disabled people]]. The other thing that bugs me is the scene where Peter is told he's developmentally disabled. The doctor shows an intelligence chart and it lists Creationists below developmentally disabled people.

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* Tropers/{{Krendall}}: I have a couple issues with "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS4E6Petarded Petarded]]". It's odd since I find the episode itself funny, but I think the decline of the show (or at least Peter's character) can be traced to this episode. By making Peter technically developmentally disabled, [[DisabilityAsAnExcuseForJerkassery it now gave the writers free reign to make him do even the stupidest of acts.acts]]. If anyone calls them out on it, they can just say, "Well... he's developmentally disabled." Of course, this just makes every one of Peter's stupid and/or jackassy actions [[UnfortunateImplications a slap in the face to actual developmentally disabled people]]. The other thing that bugs me is the scene where Peter is told he's developmentally disabled. The doctor shows an intelligence chart and it lists Creationists below developmentally disabled people.



* Tropers/{{dubledolix}}: In "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS5E6PrickUpYourEars Prick Up Your Ears]]", Lois tries out a sex-ed class so kids know how to have safe sex. She got fired by the next day, why? Because her husband was acting like an idiot in class? No! The parents demanded the sex ed class to be canceled just because Lois was teaching their kids how to use a condom. RuleOfFunny, my ass. Here I thought Lois and Peter were the worst parents around, but the other parents actually [[AbusiveParents allowed their kids to through life without any proper knowledge about sex and how it should work]]. Worst of all, who everyone listened to when it comes to sex? Some stage man who makes up complete bullshit about sex such as a penis being sent a different dimension by having sexual intercourse before marriage. You know there's something wrong with someone if they look more stupid than [[IdiotHero Son]] [[ChasteHero Fricken']] [[Franchise/DragonBall Goku]]! (Goku, even as a teenager, didn't know a thing or two about sex or marriage, yet he and Chi Chi end up raising perfectly healthy young boys) Besides what's wrong with having sex with someone? If it's about them being corrupted through lust, then it's that person's fault, not the desire.

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* Tropers/{{dubledolix}}: In "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS5E6PrickUpYourEars Prick Up Your Ears]]", Lois tries out a sex-ed class so kids know how to have safe sex. She got fired by the next day, why? Because her husband was acting like an idiot in class? No! The parents demanded the sex ed class to be canceled just because Lois was teaching their kids how to use a condom. RuleOfFunny, my ass. Here I thought Lois and Peter were the worst parents around, but the other parents actually [[AbusiveParents allowed their kids to go through life without any proper knowledge about sex and how it should work]]. Worst of all, who everyone listened to when it comes to sex? Some stage man who makes up complete bullshit about sex such as a penis being sent to a different dimension by having sexual intercourse before marriage. You know there's something wrong with someone if they look more stupid than [[IdiotHero Son]] [[ChasteHero Fricken']] [[Franchise/DragonBall Goku]]! (Goku, even as a teenager, didn't know a thing or two about sex or marriage, yet he and Chi Chi end up raising perfectly healthy young boys) Besides what's wrong with having sex with someone? If it's about them being corrupted through lust, then it's that person's fault, not the desire.



* YoungPrincessZelda: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS6E12LongJohnPeter Long John Peter]]". Don't be fooled by the title of this episode. The pirate thing is only 4 minutes long. All that happens is that Peter and his crew siege Mort's pharmacy, attack a british car, and that's it. They could've and should've made it the whole episode and if they wanted to keep Chris's plot intact they should've made it to where she got shanghaied or something.

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* YoungPrincessZelda: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS6E12LongJohnPeter Long John Peter]]". Don't be fooled by the title of this episode. The pirate thing is only 4 minutes long. All that happens is that Peter and his crew siege Mort's pharmacy, attack a british British car, and that's it. They could've and should've made it the whole episode and if they wanted to keep Chris's plot intact they should've made it to where she got shanghaied or something.



** Tropers/Hotheart123: I found that sketch really, ''really'' sickening. I'm not including it since it ruined a Dr. Seuss book for me. It was because it shows the elephant sitting on the couch, while flashback-inducing noises of domestic violence are heard. This is a sketch that disgusted me and enraged me more than the disemboweled whale gag. If they hadn't shown it after Stewie talked about the book, I wouldn't have been so pissed at the writers. Curse you, Seth MacFarlane, curse you, whoever helped write the episode, and curse you, ''Family Guy''.

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** Tropers/Hotheart123: I found that sketch really, ''really'' sickening. I'm not including it since it ruined a Dr. Seuss book for me. It was because it shows the elephant sitting on the couch, while flashback-inducing noises of domestic violence are heard. This is a sketch that disgusted me and enraged me more than the disemboweled whale gag. If they hadn't shown it after Stewie talked about the book, I wouldn't have been so pissed at the writers. Curse you, Seth MacFarlane, [=MacFarlane=], curse you, whoever helped write the episode, and curse you, ''Family Guy''.



** Tropers/RiddlerJ The extended Music/ConwayTwitty cutaway was the moment for me. That's when I realized that Seth and Co. knew they didn't even have to fill airtime with their own animation. That along with the pointless Stewie dancing with Creator/GeneKelly for an entire sequence (which was just Stewie rotoscoped over [[WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry Jerry Mouse]]) convinced me what a lazy crew the ''Family Guy'' team is.

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** Tropers/RiddlerJ The extended Music/ConwayTwitty cutaway was the moment for me. That's when I realized that Seth and Co. knew they didn't even have to fill airtime with their own animation. That along with the pointless Stewie dancing with Creator/GeneKelly for an entire sequence (which was just Stewie rotoscoped over [[WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry [[Franchise/TomAndJerry Jerry Mouse]]) convinced me what a lazy crew the ''Family Guy'' team is.



* Tropers/{{Demetrios}}: For me, "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS8E2FamilyGoy Family Goy]]" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry. Especially the tasteless "homage" to ''Film/SchindlersList''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as ComicBook/TheJoker. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool]] [[LaughablyEvil Joker]] from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/Batman1989 Jack Nicholson]] and [[Film/TheDarkKnight Heath Ledger]].

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* Tropers/{{Demetrios}}: For me, "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS8E2FamilyGoy Family Goy]]" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry. Especially the tasteless "homage" to ''Film/SchindlersList''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as ComicBook/TheJoker.[[Characters/BatmanTheJoker The Joker]]. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool]] [[LaughablyEvil Joker]] from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/Batman1989 Jack Nicholson]] and [[Film/TheDarkKnight Heath Ledger]].



** Tropers/{{Killerweinerdog}} : I'll be brutally honest: The first time I saw that scene and realized the reference, I laughed. Not so much at the scene itself (which I concede was completely tasteless), but more the sheer ''audacity'' of it all. But then when I got over it I felt absolutely ''disgusted'' with myself, and at Peter. "Just trying to make a point"? I mean, if you didn't hate Peter before, why not hate him now for literally ''threatening to shoot Lois'' if she didn't carry out her wifely duties and convert to Christianity? Oh, of course, there's the end where Seth Mcfarlane (again) takes a shot at religion by having ''Jesus Himself'' say its all bullshit, because obviously you can't have a ''Family Guy'' episode these days that references religion without the creator having to have his part in insulting it.

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** Tropers/{{Killerweinerdog}} : I'll be brutally honest: The first time I saw that scene and realized the reference, I laughed. Not so much at the scene itself (which I concede was completely tasteless), but more the sheer ''audacity'' of it all. But then when I got over it I felt absolutely ''disgusted'' with myself, and at Peter. "Just trying to make a point"? I mean, if you didn't hate Peter before, why not hate him now for literally ''threatening to shoot Lois'' if she didn't carry out her wifely duties and convert to Christianity? Oh, of course, there's the end where Seth Mcfarlane [=MacFarlane=] (again) takes a shot at religion by having ''Jesus Himself'' say its all bullshit, because obviously you can't have a ''Family Guy'' episode these days that references religion without the creator having to have his part in insulting it.



** Tropers/riceball22: One bit of dialogue that got me a little irate was when Brian was about to get out a condom so he could sleep with Rita for the first time and Rita reminds him that he doesn't have to use a condom because she can't get pregnant anymore, leading to him changing his mind. This irresponsible reasoning is why STDs are spreading among the elderly in real life. I know ''Family Guy'' isn't about setting good examples but jeez... Brian (as well as the show's writers) is intelligent enough to know better.

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** Tropers/riceball22: One bit of dialogue that got me a little irate was when Brian was about to get out a condom so he could sleep with Rita for the first time and Rita reminds him that he doesn't have to use a condom because she can't get pregnant anymore, leading to him changing his mind. This irresponsible reasoning is why STDs [=STDs=] are spreading among the elderly in real life. I know ''Family Guy'' isn't about setting good examples but jeez... Brian (as well as the show's writers) is intelligent enough to know better.



** Tropers/{{Anufenrir}}: I will defend this show sedimentary for when it has a good moment, and "Jerome is the New Black" isn't a bad episode in itself with some funny bits with introducing the character... except for the obvious start of what could easily be what ruined the show for me. The entire Quagmire hates Brian thing is bullshit. For one, it's unfounded. Was it added to make the episodes more interesting? Because for me it just makes me loathe what the show can produce. When I see an episode that focuses on either character now, I pray that the other one doesn't show up to ruin the episode. Hell, even if the episode doesn't center around either of them, I still pray for them to not interact. Another reason this is the dumbest thing ever is that it is, as said many many times, entirely hypocritical. Even if what he's saying is true, Quagmire has no right to assume he's a better person than Brian. At least Brian tries to be a good person. Quagmire refuses to do anything but advance his sexual deviancy and is not below raping, lying about his STDs, tricking women into having sex with them without a condom (which has led to many illegitimate children which he is aware of), and has even stated he would sleep with his own daughter. Brian is at worse a hypocritical prick but harmless. (Also, can we stop calling Brian a bad parent? If I recall, he didn't abandon his son, Dylon went back to his mother on his own will after Brian improved his own life.) I cite this episode as the downhill point of the series. Sure there have been some good points that I've enjoyed, but it's not as entertaining knowing what these two characters can do to ruin an episode.

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** Tropers/{{Anufenrir}}: I will defend this show sedimentary for when it has a good moment, and "Jerome is the New Black" isn't a bad episode in itself with some funny bits with introducing the character... except for the obvious start of what could easily be what ruined the show for me. The entire Quagmire hates Brian thing is bullshit. For one, it's unfounded. Was it added to make the episodes more interesting? Because for me it just makes me loathe what the show can produce. When I see an episode that focuses on either character now, I pray that the other one doesn't show up to ruin the episode. Hell, even if the episode doesn't center around either of them, I still pray for them to not interact. Another reason this is the dumbest thing ever is that it is, as said many many times, entirely hypocritical. Even if what he's saying is true, Quagmire has no right to assume he's a better person than Brian. At least Brian tries to be a good person. Quagmire refuses to do anything but advance his sexual deviancy and is not below raping, lying about his STDs, [=STDs=], tricking women into having sex with them without a condom (which has led to many illegitimate children which he is aware of), and has even stated he would sleep with his own daughter. Brian is at worse a hypocritical prick but harmless. (Also, can we stop calling Brian a bad parent? If I recall, he didn't abandon his son, Dylon went back to his mother on his own will after Brian improved his own life.) I cite this episode as the downhill point of the series. Sure there have been some good points that I've enjoyed, but it's not as entertaining knowing what these two characters can do to ruin an episode.



** ninboy91: Oh, how I wanted to like this one. No doubt, Meg beating Peter up was epic, but did she really have to rape him in the shower shortly after? What pissed me off the most though was how bad Stewie got derailed here. How can a super-intelligent baby who went face to face with UsefulNotes/OsamaBinLaden and UsefulNotes/Adolf Hitler be afraid of his own sister who only became a thug after she was in prison? Brian doesn't get a pass either, sure in some episodes, he does come off as caring for Meg, but in others, he was in on the abuse as much as the others, so him trying to convince Meg to stop her actions just feels like Seth wanting to go back to how it was... badly! It's my least favorite episode ever.

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** ninboy91: Oh, how I wanted to like this one. No doubt, Meg beating Peter up was epic, but did she really have to rape him in the shower shortly after? What pissed me off the most though was how bad Stewie got derailed here. How can a super-intelligent baby who went face to face with UsefulNotes/OsamaBinLaden and UsefulNotes/Adolf Hitler UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler be afraid of his own sister who only became a thug after she was in prison? Brian doesn't get a pass either, sure in some episodes, he does come off as caring for Meg, but in others, he was in on the abuse as much as the others, so him trying to convince Meg to stop her actions just feels like Seth wanting to go back to how it was... badly! It's my least favorite episode ever.



* Tropers/KOman: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS9E2ExcellenceInBroadcasting Excellence in Broadcasting]]". Before I continue, let me introduce myself as in the middle of the political spectrum, so my issue with this episode is not merely that Brian goes extreme right-wing; it's that Brian does so because spending a single night reading a book by Radio/RushLimbaugh shoots him from an liberal blowhard to the opposite extreme, where he now regards his former liberal beliefs that he held so highly as idiotic. He now refers to MLK as "a famous troublemaker", despises Muslims, insists aborted children should be shoved back up their mothers, and attempts to water-board Nancy Pelosi. Limbaugh's [[EveryoneHasStandards refusal to do this last one]] provokes Brian to basically say that he's not a true conservative if he doesn't viciously assault liberals... again, the side he was on until recently. The episode convinced that no matter what political side Brian's on, he'll always be an arrogant prick to the opposition.

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* Tropers/KOman: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS9E2ExcellenceInBroadcasting Excellence in Broadcasting]]". Before I continue, let me introduce myself as in the middle of the political spectrum, so my issue with this episode is not merely that Brian goes extreme right-wing; it's that Brian does so because spending a single night reading a book by Radio/RushLimbaugh Creator/RushLimbaugh shoots him from an liberal blowhard to the opposite extreme, where he now regards his former liberal beliefs that he held so highly as idiotic. He now refers to MLK as "a famous troublemaker", despises Muslims, insists aborted children should be shoved back up their mothers, and attempts to water-board Nancy Pelosi. Limbaugh's [[EveryoneHasStandards refusal to do this last one]] provokes Brian to basically say that he's not a true conservative if he doesn't viciously assault liberals... again, the side he was on until recently. The episode convinced that no matter what political side Brian's on, he'll always be an arrogant prick to the opposition.



* Tropers/ErosThanatos: I still love ''Family Guy'' despite some of the outright bullshit they put on the air, but what happened in Episode 9, "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E9AShotInTheDark A Shot in the Dark]]" was one for me. Peter did shoot Cleveland Jr., but not only did the former have a good reason to mistake him for a burglar considering the circumstances (identity obscured by darkness, no immediate response, prying open a window), but Cleveland was also partially at fault for what happened considering he forces his son to enter their house through the windows in order to "conserve air conditioning." Being pissed off at Peter for what happened is understandable despite the obvious misunderstanding, but not only did Cleveland himself go through a similar situation with the mother of a Mexican family back in Stoolbend, but trying (and succeeding) to push the entire town into seeing what his supposed best friend did as a deliberate hate crime is just downright spiteful. [[spoiler:I would also list the "Black-on-Black Crime" Asspull ending on here too, but then again, it's not really surprising considering ''Family Guy'''s rock-bottom standards.]]
* Tropers/jopartain: In "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS14E10CandyQuahogMarshmallow Candy Quahog Marshmallow!]]", Peter and gang travel to South Korea when they find out Quagmire was a soap opera star there. Entertaining episode, all in all, but what really made it a Dethroning Moment of Suck was the way [[spoiler:the suicide of Donna's mother was handled.]] Only twice do we hear about her death from Cleveland via text, which is more than a nuisance, due to the recurring role she achieved in The Cleveland Show and the influence she has on Donna. To kill her off so carelessly wastes not only a potential A or B plot for future episodes, but leaves us hanging as to what happened to the [[spoiler:mother]]of a main character of The Cleveland Show. I enjoyed the episodes including her, but now it seems like she's dead simply to make a short joke.

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* Tropers/ErosThanatos: I still love ''Family Guy'' despite some of the outright bullshit they put on the air, but what happened in Episode 9, "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E9AShotInTheDark "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS14E9AShotInTheDark A Shot in the Dark]]" was one for me. Peter did shoot Cleveland Jr., but not only did the former have a good reason to mistake him for a burglar considering the circumstances (identity obscured by darkness, no immediate response, prying open a window), but Cleveland was also partially at fault for what happened considering he forces his son to enter their house through the windows in order to "conserve air conditioning." Being pissed off at Peter for what happened is understandable despite the obvious misunderstanding, but not only did Cleveland himself go through a similar situation with the mother of a Mexican family back in Stoolbend, but trying (and succeeding) to push the entire town into seeing what his supposed best friend did as a deliberate hate crime is just downright spiteful. [[spoiler:I would also list the "Black-on-Black Crime" Asspull ending on here too, but then again, it's not really surprising considering ''Family Guy'''s rock-bottom standards.]]
* Tropers/jopartain: In "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS14E10CandyQuahogMarshmallow Candy Quahog Marshmallow!]]", Peter and gang travel to South Korea when they find out Quagmire was a soap opera star there. Entertaining episode, all in all, but what really made it a Dethroning Moment of Suck was the way [[spoiler:the suicide of Donna's mother was handled.]] handled]]. Only twice do we hear about her death from Cleveland via text, which is more than a nuisance, due to the recurring role she achieved in The Cleveland Show and the influence she has on Donna. To kill her off so carelessly wastes not only a potential A or B plot for future episodes, but leaves us hanging as to what happened to the [[spoiler:mother]]of a main character of The Cleveland Show. I enjoyed the episodes including her, but now it seems like she's dead simply to make a short joke.



* Tropers/LordoftheStars: I haven't sincerely enjoyed ''Family Guy'' in years, and honestly, I continue to watch it out of morbid fascination. Maybe it reassures me in the sense that, anything I might go on to create in my life couldn't possibly be this bad. But I think "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E6TheDInApartment23 The D In Apartment 23]]" has irritated me a lot more than any other recent episodes, at least to the point where I wanted to bother making a post here. This episode involved Brian making a racist tweet, and getting dragged through the mud, shamed by the entire town, and harrassed to no end by everyone he encounters. It's clear that Seth McFarlane is trying to imitate the excessively hostile experience someone goes through on socia media in real life, if they make a less than sensitive comment others deem socially unacceptable. Which, I'll agree, is definitely a real and relevant problem. But here there are three key reasons episode comes off as both unsympathetic and uninformed. First, the harrassment happens to Brian in real life. You'll be hard pressed to find many people who confront those they disagree with in real life on the internet, primarily because anonymity is such a prevalent aspect. That's why cyberbullying is such a hotly debated topic; it's all online, and if it's all online and not in person, can it really be held to the same standards as face-to-face harrassment? Most of us are aware of how internet fights and harrassment work, so the townsfolk going after Brian in real life required some suspension of disbelief. Second, when people make those comments in real life, they usually stem from ignorance, lack of understanding of a situation, or are even, at times, unprovoked. Brian was just being a racist piece of shit. Not to say that's never why people are driven off of a website, but it sure makes it hard to feel bad for Brian here. And third, Brian never apologises and barely sees any fault in what he said. Because, and I quote, it was all "Just a joke." Brian deletes the tweet, but never actually says he's sorry, and only admits the joke was bad when confronting the angry mob. Look. Do people online drastically overreact to small transgressions? Of course. (If you want to see a show that understands this and parodies it accurately, check out The Amazing World of Gumball.) But that doesn't mean it's fine to be a racist douche. Throughout the whole episode, Seth acts as though the blame falls on everyone else for not finding racist humor funny, as if he literally cannot concieve of a show being funny and likeable without having mean spirited, racist, homophobic, or otherwise offensive humor. (Hm. Suddenly all those shots at ''Series/ModernFamily'' and ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers'' make a lot more sense!) And finally, the straw that broke the camel's back in this case was the damn ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' parody scene. In the original scene, it's secret agent Harry Hart taking out a churchful of bigoted jerks in an incredibly violent-yet-satisfying gorefest. In ''Family Guy'', it's Meg and Chris slaughtering a cafeteria full of angry fellow students who are pissed that the siblings don't openly condemn Brian for being racist. (Notice that none of the family members, even as they're being mistreated, say that they don't agree with Brian, or that his opinion doesn't stand for them? Lois even says she knows Brian is a good person, but we haven't seen any evidence of that in a very long time.) Uh, news flash, Seth. If this is really how you view the backlash when you make bigoted jokes, you're not Harry Hart in that iconic scene. You're one of the churchgoers.

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* Tropers/LordoftheStars: I haven't sincerely enjoyed ''Family Guy'' in years, and honestly, I continue to watch it out of morbid fascination. Maybe it reassures me in the sense that, anything I might go on to create in my life couldn't possibly be this bad. But I think "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E6TheDInApartment23 The D In Apartment 23]]" has irritated me a lot more than any other recent episodes, at least to the point where I wanted to bother making a post here. This episode involved Brian making a racist tweet, and getting dragged through the mud, shamed by the entire town, and harrassed harassed to no end by everyone he encounters. It's clear that Seth McFarlane [=MacFarlane=] is trying to imitate the excessively hostile experience someone goes through on socia media in real life, if they make a less than sensitive comment others deem socially unacceptable. Which, I'll agree, is definitely a real and relevant problem. But here there are three key reasons episode comes off as both unsympathetic and uninformed. First, the harrassment harassment happens to Brian in real life. You'll be hard pressed to find many people who confront those they disagree with in real life on the internet, primarily because anonymity is such a prevalent aspect. That's why cyberbullying is such a hotly debated topic; it's all online, and if it's all online and not in person, can it really be held to the same standards as face-to-face harrassment? harassment? Most of us are aware of how internet fights and harrassment harassment work, so the townsfolk going after Brian in real life required some suspension of disbelief. Second, when people make those comments in real life, they usually stem from ignorance, lack of understanding of a situation, or are even, at times, unprovoked. Brian was just being a racist piece of shit. Not to say that's never why people are driven off of a website, but it sure makes it hard to feel bad for Brian here. And third, Brian never apologises and barely sees any fault in what he said. Because, and I quote, it was all "Just a joke." Brian deletes the tweet, but never actually says he's sorry, and only admits the joke was bad when confronting the angry mob. Look. Do people online drastically overreact to small transgressions? Of course. (If you want to see a show that understands this and parodies it accurately, check out The Amazing World of Gumball.) But that doesn't mean it's fine to be a racist douche. Throughout the whole episode, Seth acts as though the blame falls on everyone else for not finding racist humor funny, as if he literally cannot concieve of a show being funny and likeable without having mean spirited, racist, homophobic, or otherwise offensive humor. (Hm. Suddenly all those shots at ''Series/ModernFamily'' and ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers'' make a lot more sense!) And finally, the straw that broke the camel's back in this case was the damn ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' parody scene. In the original scene, it's secret agent Harry Hart taking out a churchful of bigoted jerks in an incredibly violent-yet-satisfying gorefest. In ''Family Guy'', it's Meg and Chris slaughtering a cafeteria full of angry fellow students who are pissed that the siblings don't openly condemn Brian for being racist. (Notice that none of the family members, even as they're being mistreated, say that they don't agree with Brian, or that his opinion doesn't stand for them? Lois even says she knows Brian is a good person, but we haven't seen any evidence of that in a very long time.) Uh, news flash, Seth. If this is really how you view the backlash when you make bigoted jokes, you're not Harry Hart in that iconic scene. You're one of the churchgoers.



* CodaFett: I would like to add ''[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E18HTTPete HTTPete]]'' for being the most out of touch and bitter look at "millennials" (actually a mishmash of at least 3 different generations) I have ever seen. The episode starts off on an absurd note with an instructional video about Millennials and the things they do, which is rife with young people stereotypes presented without a hint of irony and a new character is introduced who exists to be a strawman. Not even five minutes into the episode, and it is abundantly clear that not only are the writers showing their age with this one but they also very clearly don't know what they're talking about. First of all, Millenials are predominantly in their fucking 30s, and the youngest ones would be around 25 at the time of airing. For some bizarre reason, the Fam Guy crew set their made up cut off date to the year 2000, which is 5 years into Gen Z. The character Hammer is more a hipster than anything else. Yeah a hipster, when's the last time you heard about one those? Then you got jokes about angry tweeting and cancel culture which just screams "I don't like that I can be held accountable for saying something offensive." But all that isn't nearly as bad as one particular jab; During a cutaway gag featuring some really weird, niche imagery that you just know someone on the team ''thinks'' millenials are big on, Peter says "Our country's involved in 6 wars right now, but this is what Millenials think about!" insinuating that all we care about are hedonistic distractions. I'm actually in the military and that joke bugs the hell out of me because 20-30 year olds, the people you're mocking, are the ones out there fighting in these places. What an ignorant thing to imply, also hypocritical because as seen in the above mentioned episode, Fam Guy writers aren't big fans of Social Justice culture so you're also not allowed to be involved in politics if you're one of those damn Millenials. And that's not even getting into the paper thin plot. Just a shitshow of an episode.
* Chilliwack: To be honest, I rather enjoyed the first episode of Season 16, "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E1EmmyEpisode Emmy Episode]]". But for the exact wrong reasons. It all came off as a bitter, pathetic attempt at insulting Emmy Award winning shows like ''Series/BreakingBad'', ''Series/BetterCallSaul'', ''Series/TheWire'', ''Series/TheSopranos'', and more. Scenes were parodied with absolutely no context, and every parody seemed to have a sneer behind it, with Peter even calling the Emmys a "meaningless award." He calls it meaningless, despite constantly bemoaning the fact that he doesn't have one. I guess Creator/SethMacFarlane was so angry over his failure to produce quality content that he decided to take it out on the viewers of those other programs, even stating that people only watch those shows just to appear intelligent. Sure, Seth. Whatever you say. His bitterness really shows through in this episode. And although it is an objectively bad piece of television, I enjoyed it because it gave me insight into what a truly petty, spiteful man Seth really is. It was gratifying. So.... Good job Seth, you sure showed them... who you truly are. And as for the final segment of the highly-decorated actors calling Peter out on his show's ineptitude... I can only assume Seth had nothing to do with that, as the writers likely didn't want to get blacklisted.

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* CodaFett: I would like to add ''[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E18HTTPete HTTPete]]'' for being the most out of touch and bitter look at "millennials" (actually a mishmash of at least 3 different generations) I have ever seen. The episode starts off on an absurd note with an instructional video about Millennials and the things they do, which is rife with young people stereotypes presented without a hint of irony and a new character is introduced who exists to be a strawman. Not even five minutes into the episode, and it is abundantly clear that not only are the writers showing their age with this one but they also very clearly don't know what they're talking about. First of all, Millenials Millennials are predominantly in their fucking 30s, and the youngest ones would be around 25 at the time of airing. For some bizarre reason, the Fam Guy crew set their made up cut off date to the year 2000, which is 5 years into Gen Z. The character Hammer is more a hipster than anything else. Yeah a hipster, when's the last time you heard about one those? Then you got jokes about angry tweeting and cancel culture which just screams "I don't like that I can be held accountable for saying something offensive." But all that isn't nearly as bad as one particular jab; During a cutaway gag featuring some really weird, niche imagery that you just know someone on the team ''thinks'' millenials are big on, Peter says "Our country's involved in 6 wars right now, but this is what Millenials Millennials think about!" insinuating that all we care about are hedonistic distractions. I'm actually in the military and that joke bugs the hell out of me because 20-30 year olds, the people you're mocking, are the ones out there fighting in these places. What an ignorant thing to imply, also hypocritical because as seen in the above mentioned episode, Fam Guy writers aren't big fans of Social Justice culture so you're also not allowed to be involved in politics if you're one of those damn Millenials. And that's not even getting into the paper thin plot. Just a shitshow of an episode.
* Chilliwack: To be honest, I rather enjoyed the first episode of Season 16, "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E1EmmyEpisode "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS16E1EmmyWinningEpisode Emmy Winning Episode]]". But for the exact wrong reasons. It all came off as a bitter, pathetic attempt at insulting Emmy Award winning shows like ''Series/BreakingBad'', ''Series/BetterCallSaul'', ''Series/TheWire'', ''Series/TheSopranos'', and more. Scenes were parodied with absolutely no context, and every parody seemed to have a sneer behind it, with Peter even calling the Emmys a "meaningless award." He calls it meaningless, despite constantly bemoaning the fact that he doesn't have one. I guess Creator/SethMacFarlane was so angry over his failure to produce quality content that he decided to take it out on the viewers of those other programs, even stating that people only watch those shows just to appear intelligent. Sure, Seth. Whatever you say. His bitterness really shows through in this episode. And although it is an objectively bad piece of television, I enjoyed it because it gave me insight into what a truly petty, spiteful man Seth really is. It was gratifying. So.... Good job Seth, you sure showed them... who you truly are. And as for the final segment of the highly-decorated actors calling Peter out on his show's ineptitude... I can only assume Seth had nothing to do with that, as the writers likely didn't want to get blacklisted.



* Automne: ''The Essence of Cleveland.'' It kicks off with Cleveland in an ambulance and the paramedics asking Donna pertinent questions about Cleveland. She's unable to answer even the simplest queries, such as how to spell his name. But what's truly awful is that she didn't know that Cleveland is deathly allergic to penicillin. Now I don't expect married couples to know everything about each other down to the most minute detail, but I expect that each person knows what might kill their spouse. When Cleveland confronts Donna about how little she knows about him, she basically tells him that she doesn't need to know anything about him and that it's completely unimportant that she bother to learn anything about her husband because she's the prize - Cleveland mooned over her all through high school and now he's finally got her, so he should be forever grateful for that and not expect her to treat him like she gives a damn about him or anything. This is especially irritating given that Donna has already been given the characterization that Cleveland not knowing every little detail about her would result in him being in the doghouse for an obscenely long time until he made some expensively grand romantic gesture to earn her forgiveness. Nor does she realize that the price for the dubious honor of being married to her comes with living in a shitty, racist town with zero opportunities with shitty, racist friends, being mistreated by Donna's ex-husband whose kids Cleveland is providing all financial and emotional support for because Robert doesn't give a crap about his progeny, being mistreated by Rollo and Donna allowing him to get away with it, and being far too close in proximity to his very abusive father and the mother that has just allowed it to happen. Anyhoo, Cleveland then discovers that somebody in Stoolbend has a crush on him and it turns out to be an old high school classmate, Patty. Donna smirks at this and takes a great deal of pleasure in telling Cleveland that Patty is "Fatty Patty" from school and clearly expects Patty to still be obese and unattractive; again, proving Donna's theory that she's the best Cleveland can ever do. Of course, over the years, Patty lost weight and has become very attractive, with the added bonus of knowing all the information about Cleveland that Donna couldn't answer at the beginning of the episode. And the reason she developed a crush on Cleveland all those years ago was because he was the only person that didn't bully her. Of course Donna becomes jealous and forbids Cleveland to see Patty. The final kicker is that instead of resolving the conflict by having Donna realize that she needs to be a better partner in the marriage instead of basing the whole union on keeping Cleveland in fear of the idea that he can't do better (clearly that's now been debunked), they turn Patty psychotic. She develops a major case of baby rabies, abducts Cleveland by drugging him, tying him to her bed, and sexually assaults him in order to get him to ejaculate so she can harvest his sperm in order to inseminate herself. Donna saves Cleveland and proves that she "knows" Cleveland by telling Patty all his flaws. Patty then determines that she can do better. End story. So Donna basically learns nothing and continues being a stuck-up bitch who thinks that she's still as hot as she was in high school and not a bald middle-aged woman fighting gravity with two kids and a deadbeat ex-husband. She can't spell Cleveland's first name and doesn't know that penicillin will kill him, but she can tell a person she looked down upon and bullied in high school what a shitty person she thinks her current husband is. She retains all the power and gets rid of her competition without requiring any personality improvement on her part. And somehow, that's all right.

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* Automne: ''The "The Essence of Cleveland.'' " It kicks off with Cleveland in an ambulance and the paramedics asking Donna pertinent questions about Cleveland. She's unable to answer even the simplest queries, such as how to spell his name. But what's truly awful is that she didn't know that Cleveland is deathly allergic to penicillin. Now I don't expect married couples to know everything about each other down to the most minute detail, but I expect that each person knows what might kill their spouse. When Cleveland confronts Donna about how little she knows about him, she basically tells him that she doesn't need to know anything about him and that it's completely unimportant that she bother to learn anything about her husband because she's the prize - Cleveland mooned over her all through high school and now he's finally got her, so he should be forever grateful for that and not expect her to treat him like she gives a damn about him or anything. This is especially irritating given that Donna has already been given the characterization that Cleveland not knowing every little detail about her would result in him being in the doghouse for an obscenely long time until he made some expensively grand romantic gesture to earn her forgiveness. Nor does she realize that the price for the dubious honor of being married to her comes with living in a shitty, racist town with zero opportunities with shitty, racist friends, being mistreated by Donna's ex-husband whose kids Cleveland is providing all financial and emotional support for because Robert doesn't give a crap about his progeny, being mistreated by Rollo and Donna allowing him to get away with it, and being far too close in proximity to his very abusive father and the mother that has just allowed it to happen. Anyhoo, Cleveland then discovers that somebody in Stoolbend has a crush on him and it turns out to be an old high school classmate, Patty. Donna smirks at this and takes a great deal of pleasure in telling Cleveland that Patty is "Fatty Patty" from school and clearly expects Patty to still be obese and unattractive; again, proving Donna's theory that she's the best Cleveland can ever do. Of course, over the years, Patty lost weight and has become very attractive, with the added bonus of knowing all the information about Cleveland that Donna couldn't answer at the beginning of the episode. And the reason she developed a crush on Cleveland all those years ago was because he was the only person that didn't bully her. Of course Donna becomes jealous and forbids Cleveland to see Patty. The final kicker is that instead of resolving the conflict by having Donna realize that she needs to be a better partner in the marriage instead of basing the whole union on keeping Cleveland in fear of the idea that he can't do better (clearly that's now been debunked), they turn Patty psychotic. She develops a major case of baby rabies, abducts Cleveland by drugging him, tying him to her bed, and sexually assaults him in order to get him to ejaculate so she can harvest his sperm in order to inseminate herself. Donna saves Cleveland and proves that she "knows" Cleveland by telling Patty all his flaws. Patty then determines that she can do better. End story. So Donna basically learns nothing and continues being a stuck-up bitch who thinks that she's still as hot as she was in high school and not a bald middle-aged woman fighting gravity with two kids and a deadbeat ex-husband. She can't spell Cleveland's first name and doesn't know that penicillin will kill him, but she can tell a person she looked down upon and bullied in high school what a shitty person she thinks her current husband is. She retains all the power and gets rid of her competition without requiring any personality improvement on her part. And somehow, that's all right.



* KrisSimsters: "Pins, Spins, and Fins!": The main reason I hate this episode is because Donna tells Rallo that adults are better at everything than kids. Kids are still learning how to do things, they don't need to be the best. This isn't the first time Donna throws this in Rallo's face, but it's the one I hate this one the most because it comes with a song. The "Kids Suck at Everything" song is the worst song ever sung on WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow and what makes it worst, Donna has Rallo reprise it when it comes to the fire, but she makes it worst as well. Yes, Rallo shouldn't have wandered off on his own looking for Cleveland, but Donna wasn't even worried about him. She just told him he was wrong and that's what makes Donna just as bad as Lois.

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* KrisSimsters: "Pins, Spins, and Fins!": The main reason I hate this episode is because Donna tells Rallo that adults are better at everything than kids. Kids are still learning how to do things, they don't need to be the best. This isn't the first time Donna throws this in Rallo's face, but it's the one I hate this one the most because it comes with a song. The "Kids Suck at Everything" song is the worst song ever sung on WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' and what makes it worst, Donna has Rallo reprise it when it comes to the fire, but she makes it worst worse as well. Yes, Rallo shouldn't have wandered off on his own looking for Cleveland, but Donna wasn't even worried about him. She just told him he was wrong and that's what makes Donna just as bad as Lois.
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** Tropers/{{Squir}}: Not to mention that it can carry FridgeLogic UnfortunateImplications.[[note]]If it's actually serious and not just patronization of civil rights, then what is the intended message? People are trying to make dogs do human-like things all the time, so it's illogical to say that we're not treating them human enough. An all-too-easy conclusion is that it's referring to [[spoiler:interspecies romance]][[/note]]

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** Tropers/{{Squir}}: Not to mention that it can carry FridgeLogic UnfortunateImplications.[[note]]If UnfortunateImplications. If it's actually serious and not just patronization of civil rights, then what is the intended message? People are trying to make dogs do human-like things all the time, so it's illogical to say that we're not treating them human enough. An all-too-easy conclusion is that it's referring to [[spoiler:interspecies romance]][[/note]]romance]].



** ergeis: I thought that scene was funny, but then again that was during the time I was a [[OldShame dipshit teenager with no taste in comedy]]. While it's true that ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' mocked ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' with accusations of being an inferior copycat, they were never this malicious. Seth's defense was, paraphrased, "Hey, they made fun of us!" Seth, how old are you?

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** ergeis: I thought that scene was funny, but then again that was during the time I was a [[OldShame dipshit teenager with no taste in comedy]].comedy. While it's true that ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' mocked ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' with accusations of being an inferior copycat, they were never this malicious. Seth's defense was, paraphrased, "Hey, they made fun of us!" Seth, how old are you?



** Tropers/{{terlwyth}}: I enjoyed the parody of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' except for two things. The first, the death of Darth Vader which was for a while faithful to the movie, but then they made Chris/Luke kill him by snapping his neck! Damn it, that's just not funny; especially considering ''Return of the Jedi'' was my favorite of the saga and that scene was moving originally. Also the cutaway gags sucked. Fantastic episode otherwise, really enjoyed the big TakeThat to Seth [=MacFarlane=] himself and how he ripped off ''The Simpsons'', although it was also a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot missed moment of awesome]] because time could've been used to mention Brian Scully, producer of this episode and writer of some Mike Scully era ''Simpsons'' episodes. [Scully era is generally considered DorkAge].

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** Tropers/{{terlwyth}}: I enjoyed the parody of ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' except for two things. The first, the death of Darth Vader which was for a while faithful to the movie, but then they made Chris/Luke kill him by snapping his neck! Damn it, that's just not funny; especially considering ''Return of the Jedi'' was my favorite of the saga and that scene was moving originally. Also the cutaway gags sucked. Fantastic episode otherwise, really enjoyed the big TakeThat to Seth [=MacFarlane=] himself and how he ripped off ''The Simpsons'', although it was also a [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot missed moment of awesome]] awesome because time could've been used to mention Brian Scully, producer of this episode and writer of some Mike Scully era ''Simpsons'' episodes. [Scully era is generally considered DorkAge].an AudienceAlienatingEra for the show].
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* Tropers/Erin582: While the episode "He's Bla-ck!" wouldn't be a huge bother to be otherwise, it was the last moments of the episode that get my vote. The episode consisted of Cleveland and his family assimilating into Quahog life and several {{Take That}}s at ''The Cleveland Show'' for its failure, okay, sure, whatever, but it was when his friends all went from being good-natured in their ribbing to displaying rather mean-spirited and angry recriminations, even with Quagmire needlessly throwing in his face how "you don't have the guts to say anything back" to their insults and was made worse by a (thankfully deleted) scene where Peter goes all CharacterFilibuster on him, blames him for the show failing and that people's livelihoods are ruined and he's treating it like a joke only for [[MadeOutToBeAJerkass Cleveland]] to conclude that his show was terrible. What? Are they really trying to solely blame him for the show tanking? I'm not sure if that's more ridiculous, short-sighted or gutsy: that's the equivalent of playing a video game poorly and deciding to blame the character sprite for you sucking at it! Also, may I remind [=MacFarlane=] and his staff that they took a gamble on creating a spin-off in the first place, putting all their eggs in one basket and all while making damn sure that it appealed to absolutely no one? White people weren't going to watch ''The Cleveland Show'' because [[MinorityShowGhetto it starred Cleveland]], Black people weren't going to watch it because the premise/jokes of the show were uncomfortable at best and racist at worst and no one was going to watch it because [[RecycledScript it's just a rehash of]] ''[[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks Family Guy]]''. Furthermore, even if they were adamant in creating a spin-off, Cleveland was their least terrible choice lest they wanted their character to undergo [[CharacterDerailment a radical personality change]]: as far as Peter's friends go, no one is going to approve a show about a sex offender/sexual deviant, a Jewish caricature or a man in a wheelchair (and while the latter could work if done properly, let's be honest; the show would consist of nothing but the same tired handicapped jokes we've been hearing about Joe for years, making the show unmarketable). Giving [[BreakoutCharacter Brian and/or Stewie]] a spin-off would kill ''Family Guy''. None of the other extended Griffin family members are viable candidates due to the show needing Lois, Carter being a poor protagonist and Chris and Meg admittedly being difficult to write about. The other Quahog residents don't go beyond a single joke save for Mayor West, but even as the next best contender, I couldn't imagine them giving that amount of workload and effort to carry the show alone to even the great Creator/AdamWest (RIP). The idea wasn't a good one all along, but yes, let's blame the character itself for us being tone-deaf, money-grubbing buffoons. [[NeverMyFault Talk about not owning up to your mistakes.]]

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* Tropers/Erin582: While the episode "He's Bla-ck!" wouldn't be a huge bother to be otherwise, it was the last moments of the episode that get my vote. The episode consisted of Cleveland and his family assimilating into Quahog life and several {{Take That}}s at ''The Cleveland Show'' for its failure, okay, sure, whatever, but it was when his friends all went from being good-natured in their ribbing to displaying rather mean-spirited and angry recriminations, even with Quagmire needlessly throwing in his face how "you don't have the guts to say anything back" to their insults and was made worse by a (thankfully deleted) scene where Peter goes all CharacterFilibuster on him, blames him for the show failing and that people's livelihoods are ruined and he's treating it like a joke only for [[MadeOutToBeAJerkass Cleveland]] to conclude that his show was terrible. What? Are they really trying to solely blame him for the show tanking? I'm not sure if that's more ridiculous, short-sighted or gutsy: that's the equivalent of playing a video game poorly and deciding to blame the character sprite for you sucking at it! Also, may I remind [=MacFarlane=] and his staff that they took a gamble on creating a spin-off in the first place, putting all their eggs in one basket and all while making damn sure that it [[AudienceAlienatingPremise appealed to absolutely no one? one]]? White people weren't going to watch ''The Cleveland Show'' because [[MinorityShowGhetto it starred Cleveland]], Black people weren't going to watch it because the premise/jokes of the show were uncomfortable at best and racist at worst and no one was going to watch it because [[RecycledScript it's just a rehash of]] ''[[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks Family Guy]]''. Furthermore, even if they were adamant in creating a spin-off, Cleveland was their least terrible choice lest they wanted their character to undergo [[CharacterDerailment a radical personality change]]: as far as Peter's friends go, no one is going to approve a show about a sex offender/sexual deviant, a Jewish caricature or a man in a wheelchair (and while the latter could work if done properly, let's be honest; the show would consist of nothing but the same tired handicapped jokes we've been hearing about Joe for years, making the show unmarketable). Giving [[BreakoutCharacter Brian and/or Stewie]] a spin-off would kill ''Family Guy''. None of the other extended Griffin family members are viable candidates due to the show needing Lois, Carter being a poor protagonist and Chris and Meg admittedly being difficult to write about. The other Quahog residents don't go beyond a single joke save for Mayor West, but even as the next best contender, I couldn't imagine them giving that amount of workload and effort to carry the show alone to even the great Creator/AdamWest (RIP). The idea wasn't a good one all along, but yes, let's blame the character itself for us being tone-deaf, money-grubbing buffoons. [[NeverMyFault Talk about not owning up to your mistakes.]]
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* Merlock: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS4E25YouMayNowKissTheUhGuyWhoRecieves You May Now Kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Recieves]]". For one, how is the mayor "banning" gay marriage? At the time this episode aired, gay marriage wasn't legal in Rhode Island yet--an inaccuracy that exists just to subtly make his side more "villainous." Secondly, Jasper and his boyfriends are the biggest stereotypes ever, and the most "romantic" thing about their relationship is Jasper making a sex joke. They don't even talk to each other (because the Fillipino can't speak English and Jasper makes no sign of speaking Tagalog, or even Spanish)--their relationship is as shallow as a puddle, so cares whether or not they can get a tax break for their zoophilia? And third, Lois is convinced to support gay marriage because Brian holds somebody at gunpoint. What sense does that make?! Her [[InsaneTrollLogic logic]] is that "he feels really strongly about this" so he must be right--that's idiotic! Brian is committing an act of terrorism right now! If gay marriage is right, it's right; if it's wrong, it's wrong. The fact that somebody (particularly somebody who's not even gay) "feels really strongly" about it does not prove their side is right! (Put another way--if the mayor was trying to legalize gay marriage and Brian put a gun to his head to stop it, would he be right then?) And then there was a "joke" about Elizabeth Smart, the [[RippedFromTheHeadlines real-life]] girl who was kidnapped by a crazy cultist for more than a year. The punchline is that she's horribly traumatized from repeatedly being raped. Seriously. (N.B.: the real Elizabeth Smart seems to have, thankfully, recovered from her ordeal quite well.)

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* Merlock: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS4E25YouMayNowKissTheUhGuyWhoRecieves "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS4E25YouMayNowKissTheUhGuyWhoReceives You May Now Kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Recieves]]".Receives]]". For one, how is the mayor "banning" gay marriage? At the time this episode aired, gay marriage wasn't legal in Rhode Island yet--an inaccuracy that exists just to subtly make his side more "villainous." Secondly, Jasper and his boyfriends are the biggest stereotypes ever, and the most "romantic" thing about their relationship is Jasper making a sex joke. They don't even talk to each other (because the Fillipino can't speak English and Jasper makes no sign of speaking Tagalog, or even Spanish)--their relationship is as shallow as a puddle, so cares whether or not they can get a tax break for their zoophilia? And third, Lois is convinced to support gay marriage because Brian holds somebody at gunpoint. What sense does that make?! Her [[InsaneTrollLogic logic]] is that "he feels really strongly about this" so he must be right--that's idiotic! Brian is committing an act of terrorism right now! If gay marriage is right, it's right; if it's wrong, it's wrong. The fact that somebody (particularly somebody who's not even gay) "feels really strongly" about it does not prove their side is right! (Put another way--if the mayor was trying to legalize gay marriage and Brian put a gun to his head to stop it, would he be right then?) And then there was a "joke" about Elizabeth Smart, the [[RippedFromTheHeadlines real-life]] girl who was kidnapped by a crazy cultist for more than a year. The punchline is that she's horribly traumatized from repeatedly being raped. Seriously. (N.B.: the real Elizabeth Smart seems to have, thankfully, recovered from her ordeal quite well.)
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* Tropers/{{fluffything}}: To prove not everything pre-revival was a classic, we have the Season 1 episode "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS1E7BrianPortraitOfADog Brian: Portrait of a Dog]]", which shows the dog's BlackHoleSue tendencies went as far back as the first season. Why? Well, at first, the episode starts out great with Brian feeling Peter doesn't respect him and Peter also feeling Brian doesn't appreciate him causing the former to run away. But, then it goes completely downhill after Brian runs away and we are subjected to many many parallels to the 1960s "Civil Rights" movements. No, just, no. It's a bad comparison for many reasons. First, equating a dog's (albeit a human-level intelligent one) problems with "leash laws" to the "Jim Crow" laws is just insulting on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Second, the indignities that minorities had to endure were far worse than Brian not being allowed to drink at a fountain or having to wear a leash for his own protection. And, finally, the parallel just doesn't work because most dogs in the series are realistic animal-minded dogs (About the only dogs in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' that are of human level intelligence are Brian, New Brian (deceased), Jasper, and the Griffin's old dog Todd. This isn't Brian asking for equal rights for his species. This is Brian complaining about not being treated "special" because he's a talking dog.

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* Tropers/{{fluffything}}: To prove not everything pre-revival was a classic, we have the Season 1 episode "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS1E7BrianPortraitOfADog Brian: Portrait of a Dog]]", which shows the dog's BlackHoleSue tendencies went as far back as the first season. Why? Well, at first, the episode starts out great with Brian feeling Peter doesn't respect him and Peter also feeling Brian doesn't appreciate him causing the former to run away. But, then it goes completely downhill after Brian runs away and we are subjected to many many parallels to the 1960s "Civil Rights" movements. No, just, no. It's a bad comparison for many reasons. First, equating a dog's (albeit a human-level intelligent one) problems with "leash laws" to the "Jim Crow" laws is just insulting on so many levels I don't know where to begin. Second, the indignities that minorities had to endure were far worse than Brian not being allowed to drink at a fountain or having to wear a leash for his own protection. And, finally, the parallel just doesn't work because most dogs in the series are realistic animal-minded dogs (About the only dogs in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' that are of human level intelligence are Brian, New Brian (deceased), Jasper, and the Griffin's old dog Todd.Todd). This isn't Brian asking for equal rights for his species. This is Brian complaining about not being treated "special" because he's a talking dog.
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** RAZ: The whole opening sequence was the final nail in coffin for me. The plot gets kicked off by Peter wanting a toy rope of Brain's and getting jealous because Brian won't share it. So what happens? [[DisproportionateRetribution He ties one end of it to his car while Brian has his mouth on the other end, then drags him across the city to shake it off while running over several children, leading Brian to eventually smash his face into a hydrant, break his nose, and destroy all his teeth]]. What the hell was supposed to be funny about that!? Don't get me wrong. I enjoy black comedy. But this whole thing came off pure shock value and nothing else. Even worse is the whole thing is yet another reminder of how much Peter's been derailed into a remorseless, sadistic asshole. It's impossible to believe that this was once the same guy who was once horrified at having to kill a plane full of people when he was forced to take over Death's job (with one of the reasons being that there were several kids on the plane!) and took a way out in order to save most of the passengers. And then to add insult to injury, after Brian's disfigurement Peter gets bored and tosses the rope back to him. Ugh. While I'd quit watching Family Guy regularly a long time ago, I'd never outright hated it like a lot of the show's modern day detractors did. After this though, I'm getting on the bandwagon.

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** RAZ: The whole opening sequence was the final nail in the coffin for me. The plot gets kicked off by Peter wanting a toy rope of Brain's and getting jealous because Brian won't share it. So what happens? [[DisproportionateRetribution He ties one end of it to his car while Brian has his mouth on the other end, then drags him across the city to shake it off while running over several children, leading Brian to eventually smash his face into a hydrant, break his nose, and destroy all his teeth]]. What the hell was supposed to be funny about that!? Don't get me wrong. I enjoy black comedy. But this whole thing came off pure shock value and nothing else. Even worse is the whole thing is yet another reminder of how much Peter's been derailed into a remorseless, sadistic asshole. It's impossible to believe that this was once the same guy who was once horrified at having to kill a plane full of people when he was forced to take over Death's job (with one of the reasons being that there were several kids on the plane!) and took a way out in order to save most of the passengers. And then to add insult to injury, after Brian's disfigurement Peter gets bored and tosses the rope back to him. Ugh. While I'd quit watching Family Guy regularly a long time ago, I'd never outright hated it like a lot of the show's modern day detractors did. After this though, I'm getting on the bandwagon.
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* Tropers/{{dubledolix}}: In "[[Recap/FamilyGuysS5E6PrickUpYourEars Prick Up Your Ears]]", Lois tries out a sex-ed class so kids know how to have safe sex. She got fired by the next day, why? Because her husband was acting like an idiot in class? No! The parents demanded the sex ed class to be canceled just because Lois was teaching their kids how to use a condom. RuleOfFunny, my ass. Here I thought Lois and Peter were the worst parents around, but the other parents actually [[AbusiveParents allowed their kids to through life without any proper knowledge about sex and how it should work]]. Worst of all, who everyone listened to when it comes to sex? Some stage man who makes up complete bullshit about sex such as a penis being sent a different dimension by having sexual intercourse before marriage. You know there's something wrong with someone if they look more stupid than [[IdiotHero Son]] [[ChasteHero Fricken']] [[Franchise/DragonBall Goku]]! (Goku, even as a teenager, didn't know a thing or two about sex or marriage, yet he and Chi Chi end up raising perfectly healthy young boys) Besides what's wrong with having sex with someone? If it's about them being corrupted through lust, then it's that person's fault, not the desire.

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* Tropers/{{dubledolix}}: In "[[Recap/FamilyGuysS5E6PrickUpYourEars "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS5E6PrickUpYourEars Prick Up Your Ears]]", Lois tries out a sex-ed class so kids know how to have safe sex. She got fired by the next day, why? Because her husband was acting like an idiot in class? No! The parents demanded the sex ed class to be canceled just because Lois was teaching their kids how to use a condom. RuleOfFunny, my ass. Here I thought Lois and Peter were the worst parents around, but the other parents actually [[AbusiveParents allowed their kids to through life without any proper knowledge about sex and how it should work]]. Worst of all, who everyone listened to when it comes to sex? Some stage man who makes up complete bullshit about sex such as a penis being sent a different dimension by having sexual intercourse before marriage. You know there's something wrong with someone if they look more stupid than [[IdiotHero Son]] [[ChasteHero Fricken']] [[Franchise/DragonBall Goku]]! (Goku, even as a teenager, didn't know a thing or two about sex or marriage, yet he and Chi Chi end up raising perfectly healthy young boys) Besides what's wrong with having sex with someone? If it's about them being corrupted through lust, then it's that person's fault, not the desire.
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** Tropers/{{Julayla}} I happen to agree on this alongside this fact: Despite Junior not believing in god, in the last 5 seconds of the episode, when Cleveland sneezes, Junior only speaks "God bless you" which not only confused the family, but also me at times. This may be nitpicky, but this last moment in the episode just made Junior, for all its worth and for making Junior a non-believer throughout the episode, be a hypocrite when he says that.
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** Tropers/Hailfire25: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyzZdzc0CB4 The scene that everyone is horrified by]]. If you are an animal lover, you have been warned.

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** Tropers/Hailfire25: [[https://www.[[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AyzZdzc0CB4 com/watch?v=_f7EtdkRZ2Q The scene that everyone is horrified by]]. If you are an animal lover, you have been warned.
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** zettabeam62: Although a small moment, the thing that killed my interest in the show was, oddly enough, the stinger at the end where Peter accidentally detonated the bomb and blew up the bridge. My main problem was that, at the time I'm writing this (10/7/14) it was the most pointless act of cruelty done on ''Family Guy''; yes, I hate this more than the whale, Meg erased from existence by God and the shot-put murder, mainly because -- not to downplay the cruelty in each of them -- all of those were relatively minute and only happening to one person or creature, whereas here they blew up a bridge in this episode for a stinger, killing tens or hundreds of people, ruining a transportation route for thousands thus creating a lot of big problems for businesses, and probably scaring millions, all for a f***ing stinger. This didn't need to exist; the racism against Muslims was bad enough, but ending on a happy note wouldn't have made it much worse plus it makes the last third of the plot completely pointless. For me, this was the biggest example of a "just because you can doesn't mean you should" moment ''Family Guy'' has done and shows why censors should be giving [=MacFarlane=] some more restraints in the show'ss creative freedom like pre-season 4 episodes. This episode should not exist, I want all copies of this episode destroyed, and if Seth [=MacFarlane=] does an episode like this again, I want him beaten up like jackass he is.

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** zettabeam62: Although a small moment, the thing that killed my interest in the show was, oddly enough, the stinger at the end where Peter accidentally detonated the bomb and blew up the bridge. My main problem was that, at the time I'm writing this (10/7/14) it was the most pointless act of cruelty done on ''Family Guy''; yes, I hate this more than the whale, Meg erased from existence by God and the shot-put murder, mainly because -- not to downplay the cruelty in each of them -- all of those were relatively minute and only happening to one person or creature, whereas here they blew up a bridge in this episode for a stinger, killing tens or hundreds of people, ruining a transportation route for thousands thus creating a lot of big problems for businesses, and probably scaring millions, all for a f***ing fucking stinger. This didn't need to exist; the racism against Muslims was bad enough, but ending on a happy note wouldn't have made it much worse plus it makes the last third of the plot completely pointless. For me, this was the biggest example of a "just because you can doesn't mean you should" moment ''Family Guy'' has done and shows why censors should be giving [=MacFarlane=] some more restraints in the show'ss creative freedom like pre-season 4 episodes. This episode should not exist, I want all copies of this episode destroyed, and if Seth [=MacFarlane=] does an episode like this again, I want him beaten up like jackass he is.



** Tropers/{{Tatsui Chiyo}} For me, the entire set-up of Brian's death was just one major fuck you to the entire fanbase. I had been waning off of ''Family Guy'', no longer finding it was funny or thought provoking, more "what hypocritical, rage inducing message can we force down our viewers throats". But when I heard Brian was dead, I actually watched the episode and found it had been very well done. A somewhat emotional send off (like those two up there said, the fuck was with the squirrel and chicken?) to the guy. Then, Vinny, this interesting and funny new character arrives, completely different from Brian in almost every way. I actually felt hope that maybe this was the writers getting back on board to the old humor, and that while Brian would be missed, they would probably still refer to him now and again. What happens only two episodes later? 'Did you really think we'd kill Brian?" Yes. Yes I did. Bringing him back not only ousted this entire beautifully done transition with a new character and possible new direction, it turned it into a cheap, promotional middle finger. The rage I felt at that entire thing was just sickening. They toss Vinny aside like he was an old shirt, they yank the chains of people excited for a new character, and perhaps the worst part? Instead of showing a lesson about accepting loss and learning to move on from it, instead it becomes "Sad your pet died? Wish you could have them back? Well too bad you don't have a f***ing time machine!" I lost the chance to say goodbye to a cat I'd known for 12 years simply because I decided to stay an extra hour at the mall, no idea that we were pretty much being forced to give her up to please our asshole neighbors (Long story short, we got 5 animals wandering this neighborhood without their owners giving a shit, they hated our cat because God knows why, they find poop in yard, threaten to call animal control on our cat unless we keep her in house). And I would give anything to be able to say goodbye. So turning what I saw as a touching moment and turning it into... that, only served to make me swear off of ''Family Guy''. Sorry for the long rant, but I've said my piece.

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** Tropers/{{Tatsui Chiyo}} For me, the entire set-up of Brian's death was just one major fuck you to the entire fanbase. I had been waning off of ''Family Guy'', no longer finding it was funny or thought provoking, more "what hypocritical, rage inducing message can we force down our viewers throats". But when I heard Brian was dead, I actually watched the episode and found it had been very well done. A somewhat emotional send off (like those two up there said, the fuck was with the squirrel and chicken?) to the guy. Then, Vinny, this interesting and funny new character arrives, completely different from Brian in almost every way. I actually felt hope that maybe this was the writers getting back on board to the old humor, and that while Brian would be missed, they would probably still refer to him now and again. What happens only two episodes later? 'Did you really think we'd kill Brian?" Yes. Yes I did. Bringing him back not only ousted this entire beautifully done transition with a new character and possible new direction, it turned it into a cheap, promotional middle finger. The rage I felt at that entire thing was just sickening. They toss Vinny aside like he was an old shirt, they yank the chains of people excited for a new character, and perhaps the worst part? Instead of showing a lesson about accepting loss and learning to move on from it, instead it becomes "Sad your pet died? Wish you could have them back? Well too bad you don't have a f***ing fucking time machine!" I lost the chance to say goodbye to a cat I'd known for 12 years simply because I decided to stay an extra hour at the mall, no idea that we were pretty much being forced to give her up to please our asshole neighbors (Long story short, we got 5 animals wandering this neighborhood without their owners giving a shit, they hated our cat because God knows why, they find poop in yard, threaten to call animal control on our cat unless we keep her in house). And I would give anything to be able to say goodbye. So turning what I saw as a touching moment and turning it into... that, only served to make me swear off of ''Family Guy''. Sorry for the long rant, but I've said my piece.
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* Tropers/Erin582: While the episode "He's Bla-ck!" wouldn't be a huge bother to be otherwise, it was the last moments of the episode that get my vote. The episode consisted of Cleveland and his family assimilating into Quahog life and several {{Take That}}s at ''The Cleveland Show'' for its failure, okay, sure, whatever, but it was when his friends all went from being good-natured in their ribbing to rather mean-spirited and angry recriminations, even with Quagmire needlessly throwing in his face how "[he] don't have the guts to say anything back" to their insults and was made worse by a (thankfully deleted) scene where Peter goes all CharacterFilibuster on him, blames him for the show failing and that people's livelihoods are ruined and he's treating it like a joke only for [[MadeOutToBeAJerkass Cleveland]] to conclude that his show was terrible. What? Are they really trying to solely blame him for the show tanking? I'm not sure if that's more ridiculous, short-sighted or gutsy: that's the equivalent of playing a video game poorly and deciding to blame the character sprite for you sucking at it! Also, may I remind [=MacFarlane=] and his staff that they took a gamble on creating a spin-off in the first place, putting all their eggs in one basket and all while making damn sure that it appealed to absolutely no one? White people weren't going to watch ''The Cleveland Show'' because, on surface, [[MinorityShowGhetto it starred Cleveland]] and on actually watching it, [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks it's just a rehash of]] ''[[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks Family Guy]]'' and Black people weren't going to watch it because the premise/jokes of the show were uncomfortable at best and racist at worst. Furthermore, even if they were adamant in creating a spin-off, Cleveland was their least terrible choice: as far as Peter's friends go, no one is going to approve a show about a sex offender/deviant, a Jewish caricature or a man in a wheelchair (and while the latter could work if done properly, let's be honest; the show would consist of nothing but the same tired handicapped jokes we've been hearing about Joe for years, making the show unmarketable). Giving [[BreakoutCharacter Brian and/or Stewie]] a spin-off would kill ''Family Guy''. None of the other Griffin family members are viable candidates. The other Quahog residents don't go beyond a single joke save for Mayor West, but even as the next best contender, I couldn't imagine them giving that amount of workload and effort to carry the show alonr to even the great Creator/AdamWest (RIP). The idea wasn't a good one all along, but yes, let's blame the character itself for us being tone-deaf, money-grubbing buffoons. [[NeverMyFault Talk about not owning up to your mistakes.]]

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* Tropers/Erin582: While the episode "He's Bla-ck!" wouldn't be a huge bother to be otherwise, it was the last moments of the episode that get my vote. The episode consisted of Cleveland and his family assimilating into Quahog life and several {{Take That}}s at ''The Cleveland Show'' for its failure, okay, sure, whatever, but it was when his friends all went from being good-natured in their ribbing to displaying rather mean-spirited and angry recriminations, even with Quagmire needlessly throwing in his face how "[he] "you don't have the guts to say anything back" to their insults and was made worse by a (thankfully deleted) scene where Peter goes all CharacterFilibuster on him, blames him for the show failing and that people's livelihoods are ruined and he's treating it like a joke only for [[MadeOutToBeAJerkass Cleveland]] to conclude that his show was terrible. What? Are they really trying to solely blame him for the show tanking? I'm not sure if that's more ridiculous, short-sighted or gutsy: that's the equivalent of playing a video game poorly and deciding to blame the character sprite for you sucking at it! Also, may I remind [=MacFarlane=] and his staff that they took a gamble on creating a spin-off in the first place, putting all their eggs in one basket and all while making damn sure that it appealed to absolutely no one? White people weren't going to watch ''The Cleveland Show'' because, on surface, because [[MinorityShowGhetto it starred Cleveland]] and on actually watching it, [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks it's just a rehash of]] ''[[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks Family Guy]]'' and Cleveland]], Black people weren't going to watch it because the premise/jokes of the show were uncomfortable at best and racist at worst. worst and no one was going to watch it because [[RecycledScript it's just a rehash of]] ''[[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks Family Guy]]''. Furthermore, even if they were adamant in creating a spin-off, Cleveland was their least terrible choice: choice lest they wanted their character to undergo [[CharacterDerailment a radical personality change]]: as far as Peter's friends go, no one is going to approve a show about a sex offender/deviant, offender/sexual deviant, a Jewish caricature or a man in a wheelchair (and while the latter could work if done properly, let's be honest; the show would consist of nothing but the same tired handicapped jokes we've been hearing about Joe for years, making the show unmarketable). Giving [[BreakoutCharacter Brian and/or Stewie]] a spin-off would kill ''Family Guy''. None of the other extended Griffin family members are viable candidates. candidates due to the show needing Lois, Carter being a poor protagonist and Chris and Meg admittedly being difficult to write about. The other Quahog residents don't go beyond a single joke save for Mayor West, but even as the next best contender, I couldn't imagine them giving that amount of workload and effort to carry the show alonr alone to even the great Creator/AdamWest (RIP). The idea wasn't a good one all along, but yes, let's blame the character itself for us being tone-deaf, money-grubbing buffoons. [[NeverMyFault Talk about not owning up to your mistakes.]]
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* Tropers/Erin582: While the episode "He's Bla-ck!" wouldn't be a huge bother to be otherwise, it was the last moments of the episode that get my vote. The episode consisted of Cleveland and his family assimilating into Quahog life and several {{Take That}}s at ''The Cleveland Show'' for its failure, okay, sure, whatever, but it was when his friends all went from being good-natured in their ribbing to rather mean-spirited and angry recriminations, even with Quagmire needlessly throwing in his face how "[he] don't have the guts to say anything back" to their insults and was made worse by a (thankfully deleted) scene where Peter goes all CharacterFilibuster on him, blames him for the show failing and that people's livelihoods are ruined and he's treating it like a joke only for [[MadeOutToBeAJerkass Cleveland]] to conclude that his show was terrible. What? Are they really trying to solely blame him for the show tanking? I'm not sure if that's more ridiculous, short-sighted or gutsy: that's the equivalent of playing a video game poorly and deciding to blame the character sprite for you sucking at it! Also, may I remind [=MacFarlane=] and his staff that they took a gamble on creating a spin-off in the first place, putting all their eggs in one basket and all while making damn sure that it appealed to absolutely no one? White people weren't going to watch ''The Cleveland Show'' because, on surface, [[MinorityShowGhetto it starred Cleveland]] and on actually watching it, [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks it's just a rehash of]] ''[[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks Family Guy]]'' and Black people weren't going to watch it because the premise/jokes of the show were uncomfortable at best and racist at worst. Furthermore, even if they were adamant in creating a spin-off, Cleveland was their least terrible choice: as far as Peter's friends go, no one is going to approve a show about a sex offender/deviant, a Jewish caricature or a man in a wheelchair (and while the latter could work if done properly, let's be honest; the show would consist of nothing but the same tired handicapped jokes we've been hearing about Joe for years, making the show unmarketable). Giving [[BreakoutCharacter Brian and/or Stewie]] a spin-off would kill ''Family Guy''. None of the other Griffin family members are viable candidates. The other Quahog residents don't go beyond a single joke save for Mayor West, but even as the next best contender, I couldn't imagine them giving that amount of workload and effort to carry the show alonr to even the great Creator/AdamWest (RIP). The idea wasn't a good one all along, but yes, let's blame the character itself for us being tone-deaf, money-grubbing buffoons. [[NeverMyFault Talk about not owning up to your mistakes.]]
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* Oh how I wish I could put the entirety of season 12. However, according to the rules, I should only pick 1, and that would be "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS12E16HerpeTheLoveSore Herpe, the Love Sore]]". So, this episode's main plot involves Brian knowingly giving Stewie, an infant, a ruthless disease like herpes. Brian is a jerk, but he would never do anything this malicious, especially towards his best friend. He literally has no motivation for his behavior, and just comes across as a heartless sociopath, making it even harder to sympathize with him. This plot barely has a story beyond "Brian gives Stewie herpes.". The episode tries to give a moral on honesty, but because it involves someone getting a life threatening disease he can never be cured of, it falls completely flat on its face. Let's talk about the subplot. It involves Peter and his friends getting bullied by three guys later revealed to be soldiers, and yet they're supposed to be seen as in the wrong. Maybe if the plot ended with the soldiers being punished with Peter and the guys winning, it could've been tolerable. But, because the soldiers win, it pretty much says soldiers can act like jerks and get away with it. Both plots are really terrible.

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* Oh how I wish I could put the entirety of season 12. However, according to the rules, I should only pick 1, and that would be "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS12E16HerpeTheLoveSore Herpe, the Love Sore]]". So, this episode's main plot involves Brian knowingly giving Stewie, an infant, a ruthless disease like herpes. Brian is a jerk, but he would never do anything this malicious, especially towards his best friend. He literally has no motivation for his behavior, and just comes across as a heartless sociopath, making it even harder to sympathize with him. This plot barely has a story beyond "Brian gives Stewie herpes.".herpes". The episode tries to give a moral on honesty, but because it involves someone getting a life threatening disease he can never be cured of, it falls completely flat on its face. Let's talk about the subplot. It involves Peter and his friends getting bullied by three guys later revealed to be soldiers, and yet they're supposed to be seen as in the wrong. Maybe if the plot ended with the soldiers being punished with Peter and the guys co. winning, it could've been tolerable. But, because the soldiers win, it pretty much says soldiers can act like jerks and get away with it. Both plots are really terrible.
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* Tropers/{{Westing1992}}: I have only seen one episode of ''Family Guy'' in my life, and it was bad enough that I'm unlikely to watch any in the future. The episode in question was "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS2E5WhistleWhileYourWifeWorks Whistle While Your Wife Works]]". For starters, it opens with Peter blowing his fingers off with a firework, scattering them around the neighborhood in a sequence that was uncomfortable and unfunny. Due to his injuries, Peter has Lois become his secretary and wants to have sex with her in his office. Meanwhile, Brian is dating a hot, but incredibly dumb, girl, and wants to break up with her. Neither storyline is very funny, and neither has an adequate ending: Peter and Lois have sex, but she's still working as his secretary; Brian tries to break up with the girl, but winds up having sex with her instead. Sex is not a valid substitute for resolutions. But what stands out for me the worst is a cutaway gag where Peter mentions having lots of hiding places for his porn. The resulting gag is about a minute showing Peter going into an elaborate underground vault, and, at the end, takes out a porn magazine; it's an overly-long setup to a joke to which we already know the punchline.


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* Tropers/{{Westing1992}}: I have only seen one episode of ''Family Guy'' in my life, and it was bad enough that I'm unlikely to watch any in the future. The episode in question was "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS2E5WhistleWhileYourWifeWorks Whistle While Your Wife Works]]". For starters, it opens with Peter blowing his fingers off with a firework, scattering them around the neighborhood in a sequence that was uncomfortable and unfunny. Due to his injuries, Peter has Lois become his secretary and wants to have sex with her in his office. Meanwhile, Brian is dating a hot, but incredibly dumb, girl, and wants to break up with her. Neither storyline is very funny, and neither has an adequate ending: Peter and Lois have sex, but she's still working as his secretary; Brian tries to break up with the girl, but winds up having sex with her instead. Sex is not a valid substitute for resolutions. But what stands out for me the worst is a cutaway gag where Peter mentions having lots of hiding places for his porn. The resulting gag is about a minute showing Peter going into an elaborate underground vault, and, at the end, takes out a porn magazine; it's an overly-long setup to a joke to which we already know the punchline.
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** Flan Master of Redrum: Personally, I just thought the entire episode sucked! For an episode that has an interesting premise (a Christian mother revealing that she was a porno actress to a news anchor, who soon reveals the secret to all of Quahog), the jokes just fell flat on their ass, the BreakingTheFourthWall joke just makes me want to groan in pure disappointment, and, wouldn't you believe it, the BlackHoleSue Brian helps out someone in the family once again. Oh, but wait, turns out another AuthorAvatar in Peter gives his two cents on his shit as well. Can we just say that Peter's freakin' MarySue 2.0 of ''Family Guy'' here?

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** Flan Master of Redrum: Personally, I just thought the entire episode sucked! For an episode that has an interesting premise (a Christian mother revealing that she was a porno actress to a news anchor, who soon reveals the secret to all of Quahog), the jokes just fell flat on their ass, the BreakingTheFourthWall joke just makes me want to groan in pure disappointment, and, wouldn't you believe it, the BlackHoleSue Brian helps out someone in the family once again. Oh, but wait, turns out another AuthorAvatar in Peter gives his two cents on his shit as well. Can we just say that Peter's freakin' MarySue Sue 2.0 of ''Family Guy'' here?



* Tropers/{{GavsEvans123}}: From "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E17ForgetMeNot Forget-Me-Not]]", Lois snapping at the kids after Peter and Brian go on a night out that "all of the good people are gone." The writers flat out admitted that they don't care for four of the show's six main characters, and the only ones they do like are Peter and Brian, the MarySue and AuthorAvatar that get by far the most hate on this page.

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* Tropers/{{GavsEvans123}}: From "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E17ForgetMeNot Forget-Me-Not]]", Lois snapping at the kids after Peter and Brian go on a night out that "all of the good people are gone." The writers flat out admitted that they don't care for four of the show's six main characters, and the only ones they do like are Peter and Brian, the MarySue and AuthorAvatar that get by far the most hate on this page.
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* fruitstripegum: "Gone With the Wind": Loretta dies, and Cleveland naturally cries during her funeral... and Donna gets angry with him! I get that Loretta was a bitch, but she was also the woman Cleveland was married to for about 14 years, AND the mother of his son! For god's sake, does Donna expect him to be HAPPY that someone ''died''?!

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* fruitstripegum: Tropers/{{fruitstripegum}}: "Gone With the Wind": Loretta dies, and Cleveland naturally cries during her funeral... and Donna gets angry with him! I get that Loretta was a bitch, but she was also the woman Cleveland was married to for about 14 years, AND the mother of his son! For god's sake, does Donna expect him to be HAPPY that someone ''died''?!
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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] (unlike Chris, who has gotten more prominence as time has gone on) to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her. [[NegativeContinuity Given this show though, it's likely none of these events will ever be mentioned again and she'll be back in high school in future episodes]], but it still seems overly harsh.

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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] (unlike Chris, who has gotten more prominence as time has gone on) to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her. [[NegativeContinuity Given this show though, it's likely none of these events will ever be mentioned again again, and she'll be she's also inexplicably back in high school in future episodes]], the very next episode]], but it still seems overly harsh.
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** Skullsnsouls: For me, this was the moment where I just said: "Fuck it. I'm done with this fucking show. The prank call Stewie did on Moe was bad enough. It had me teetering on the brink of quitting the show. But then they go and pull that dick move on Meg. For fuck's sake, can you just let Meg have something in her life she enjoys and is talented at for once? Oh, wait, why am I asking? The answer is no. Meg is forever doomed to be miserable and suicidal for the rest of her life. Because we're supposed to laugh at her misery. Fuck. This. Show."

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** *** Skullsnsouls: For me, this was the moment where I just said: "Fuck it. I'm done with this fucking show. The prank call Stewie did on Moe was bad enough. It had me teetering on the brink of quitting the show. But then they go and pull that dick move on Meg. For fuck's sake, can you just let Meg have something in her life she enjoys and is talented at for once? Oh, wait, why am I asking? The answer is no. Meg is forever doomed to be miserable and suicidal for the rest of her life. Because we're supposed to laugh at her misery. Fuck. This. Show."
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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] (unlike Chris, who has gotten more prominence as time has gone on) to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.

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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] (unlike Chris, who has gotten more prominence as time has gone on) to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her. [[NegativeContinuity Given this show though, it's likely none of these events will ever be mentioned again and she'll be back in high school in future episodes]], but it still seems overly harsh.
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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]](unlike Chris, who has gotten more prominence as time has gone on) to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.

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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]](unlike used]] (unlike Chris, who has gotten more prominence as time has gone on) to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.
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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.

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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] used]](unlike Chris, who has gotten more prominence as time has gone on) to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.
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** Tropers/LLSmoothJ: Yes! Dear god, yes! At the end of the episode, I thought that after going through what [[ASharedSuffering they've put themselves through that night]] all for petty revenge they would find a new found respect for each other as the realized that they were NotSoDifferent. Instead, Quagmire commits what's basically murder with a smirk on his face. I mean sure I enjoyed Quagmire's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Brian (Let's be honest, [[AuthorAvatar he]] did [[BlackHoleSue have it coming]]), but [[MoralEventHorizon enough is enough]]!

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** Tropers/LLSmoothJ: Yes! Dear god, yes! At the end of the episode, I thought that after going through what [[ASharedSuffering they've put themselves through that night]] all for petty revenge they would find a new found respect for each other as the realized that they were NotSoDifferent.not so different. Instead, Quagmire commits what's basically murder with a smirk on his face. I mean sure I enjoyed Quagmire's TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Brian (Let's be honest, [[AuthorAvatar he]] did [[BlackHoleSue have it coming]]), but [[MoralEventHorizon enough is enough]]!
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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.

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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it, and to me this episode was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.
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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it.

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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time, but she always gets the worst of it.it, and to me this was the biggest YankTheDogsChain moment for her.
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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.

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* {{Tropers/Enhas}}: "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS19E18MegGoesToCollege Meg Goes To College]]" is needlessly cruel even though the abuse was ([[DependingOnTheWriter supposedly]]) toned down towards Meg in later seasons. Her character is still [[OutOfFocus hardly used]] to the point she gets maybe one or two episodes a season and often gets no lines or doesn't appear at all in others, so this would've been [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot a perfect]] [[ThrowTheDogABone sendoff for Meg]], plus she'd still be able to show up as a recurring character anyway. But no, [[StatusQuoIsGod like always any chance of actual change or success is taken away at the last minute]], both to retain the status quo and stick it to Meg, who is nearly killed and both that and the 911 call are PlayedForLaughs. I feel like the writers looked at the criticism over "[[Recap/FamilyGuyS10E2SeahorseSeashellParty Seahorse Seashell Party]]" and many other episodes and [[TakeThatAudience basically gave the middle-finger to the fans over and over again since then instead of daring to actually listen]], and any time that Meg does have any amount of happiness or respect from her family [[SnapBack it's always gone by the start of the next episode]]. Basically, any episode that involves [[ButtMonkey Meg]] (or anyone else, really) potentially starting a new life is a massive waste of time.time, but she always gets the worst of it.

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