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Because moment is singular. This is just an a pathetic attempt at passing a soapbox rant off as one condensed issue, when it's quite clear it's no such thing.


*** Tropers/{{Foamy}}: Just for the hell of it, let me list why Brian's argument makes no sense:
# So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at.
# I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes.
# I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse.
# How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists because then you'd just end up alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people?
# The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said.
# There are much better arguments for atheism out there.
# Don't try and cram in your arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense.
# Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole.
# Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.
* Tropers/DragonQuestZ: The "Nazis would support [=McCain=] and Palin" joke. I'm not a conservative, and even agree with a lot of the show's politics, but that kind of joke is the crap people like Sean Hannity and AnnCoulter would pull, and I don't take it from them, so I won't take it from this show.
* Tropers/HappyMan: "Family Gay". How the "being gay is not a choice, and we should accept them the way they are" intended aesop was warped into "gays are ammoral assholes that find partners easily replaceable and care nothing but sex, and we should accept them the way they are". Because that's exactly what Peter says with his actions after becoming gay: he ditches his wife and family for a random guy named Scott, leaving them ravaged. Let's not forget that, apparently, being gay makes you want to bang ten guys at once. This shows how bad is to preach in a comedy show, you simply can't be serious and funny at the same time. Oh, and the frosting of the cake was Lois' last line, "I can't change your orientation, and I'd be wrong for me to try", when they ''DID'' change Peter's orientation.
** Tropers/{{Deuxhero}}: Also, the "not a choice" bit gets combined with Peter having ''willingly choose'' (with full knowledge it is what would happen) to have drugs that make him gay used on him.
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*** Tropers/{{Foamy}}: Just for the hell of it, let me list why Brian's argument makes no sense:
# So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at.
# I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes.
# I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse.
# How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists because then you'd just end up alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people?
# The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said.
# There are much better arguments for atheism out there.
# Don't try and cram in your arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense.
# Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole.
# Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.
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* Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: 'Jerome is The New Black' and 'Quagmire's Dad' are my opinion the most recent dethroning moments. The subplot of 'Jerome' was just awful. I know there are alot of complaints about TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Quagmire gives Brian in the episode was not a dethroning moment but it was truly bad. Quagmire is by far a worse character than Brian (who is a pretty bad character himself). It doesn't help 8that Quagmire's flanderized deviant personality has become unfunny. Also Quagmire says that he works at a soup kitchen. I don't recall him ever working at one. It seems to me like an AssPull written-in to justify Quagmire's speech. Also what happened to Jerome? He never moved away or anything. He stayed in Quahog and was accepted into Peter's group. So where is he? At this point you'd think it was written by TiteKubo. 'Quagmire's Dad' seems to completely destroy the whole supposed 'liberal and open-minded' views of the show. The whole family acts disgusted by Ida being a transwoman. I know it's not completely out of character for the family to be complete jerkasses but [[DudeNotFunny it was really shitty of the writers to do that just for the sake of some cheap jokes]]. It's made even worse when Brian (who is the most liberal and open-minded and AuthorAvatar for Seth Mcfarlane who views himself as a gay, lesbian, and transgendered activist)is so disgusted that he slept with Ida he pukes to an unrealistic extent. You know something's seriously fucked up when it's homophobic Quagmire who accepts Ida first being who she is. This again may be [[BerserkButton a personal thing for me]] (considering that I think transgendered people are severly abused by socitey)but it definetly proof that the show is complete crap. I can't think of why I was still watching the show.

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* Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: 'Jerome is The New Black' and 'Quagmire's Dad' are my opinion the most recent dethroning moments. The subplot of 'Jerome' was just awful. I know there are alot of complaints about TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Quagmire gives Brian in the episode was not a dethroning moment but it was truly bad. Quagmire is by far a worse character than Brian (who is a pretty bad character himself). It doesn't help 8that Quagmire's flanderized deviant personality has become unfunny. Also Quagmire says that he works at a soup kitchen. I don't recall him ever working at one. It seems to me like an AssPull written-in to justify Quagmire's speech. Also what happened to Jerome? He never moved away or anything. He stayed in Quahog and was accepted into Peter's group. So where is he? At this point you'd think it was written by TiteKubo. 'Quagmire's Dad' seems to completely destroy the whole supposed 'liberal and open-minded' views of the show. The whole family acts disgusted by Ida being a transwoman. I know it's not completely out of character for the family to be complete jerkasses but [[DudeNotFunny it was really shitty of the writers to do that just for the sake of some cheap jokes]]. It's made even worse when Brian (who is the most liberal and open-minded and AuthorAvatar for Seth Mcfarlane who views himself as a gay, lesbian, and transgendered activist)is so disgusted that he slept with Ida he pukes to an unrealistic extent. You know something's seriously fucked up when it's homophobic Quagmire who accepts Ida first being who she is. This again may be [[BerserkButton a personal thing for me]] (considering that I think transgendered people are severly abused by socitey)but it definetly proof that the show is complete crap. I can't think of why I was still watching the show.

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** YourMileageMayVary, though, on the "Shipoopi" scene, as despite being unnecessary and somewhat out-of-place, it has still managed to gain a following among fans of the show.
*** In all fairness, they're probably the same ones who find those interminable Conway Twitty cutaways endlessly hilarious. In fact, six words: "Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Conway Twitty". Now THERE's a DethroningMomentOfSuck.
**** Well, yeah, but with all due respect, the "Shipoopi" scene is nonetheless far more watchable and acceptable than the Conway Twitty cutaways. In other words, when "Shipoopi" comes on, you just want to join in the fun, but when the Conway Twitty cutaways come on, you just want to shut the thing off.



* Tropers/ThisIsMadness91: For a while I was struggling to decide whether to keep going with ''Family Guy'' or drop it. I decided to drop it when I saw the episode "Extra Large Medium". Why? Two reasons:
** First, the end of the episode was incredibly grim and not at all funny. A missing man has an armed bomb strapped to him, and Joe wants Peter to use his (non-existent) psychic abilities to locate him. Peter stalls for time, and even tries to get Joe to let him feel the missing man's daughters breasts. When the bomb goes off, Peter bluntly admits to not really being a medium. They expect us to laugh at Peter's arrogance and idiocy costing an innocent man his life, and nearly getting his daughter molested mere moments before that. Sorry, Seth, but I don't find that funny.
** The second reason this episode put me off the series was the subplot. While I do think the SarahPalin joke was in poor taste, that wasn't what irked me. It was the pointlessness of having Chris falling in love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome. It wasn't a touching story, it didn't develop his character, it was purely there to make people say, "Oh my, he's is love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome! That's so unexpected!". And of course, there's that damn annoying "Down's Syndrome Girl" song. Seriously, enough with the singing!

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* Tropers/ThisIsMadness91: For a while I was struggling to decide whether to keep going with ''Family Guy'' or drop it. I decided to drop it when I saw the episode "Extra Large Medium". Why? Two reasons:
** First, the
The end of the episode was incredibly grim and not at all funny. A missing man has an armed bomb strapped to him, and Joe wants Peter to use his (non-existent) psychic abilities to locate him. Peter stalls for time, and even tries to get Joe to let him feel the missing man's daughters breasts. When the bomb goes off, Peter bluntly admits to not really being a medium. They expect us to laugh at Peter's arrogance and idiocy costing an innocent man his life, and nearly getting his daughter molested mere moments before that. Sorry, Seth, but I don't find that funny.
** The second reason this episode put me off the series was the subplot. While I do think the SarahPalin joke was in poor taste, that wasn't what irked me. It was the pointlessness of having Chris falling in love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome. It wasn't a touching story, it didn't develop his character, it was purely there to make people say, "Oh my, he's is love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome! That's so unexpected!". And of course, there's that damn annoying "Down's Syndrome Girl" song. Seriously, enough with the singing!
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** So, first Meg is ugly because God doesn't exist, now she's beautiful because Christianity doesn't exist?



** ...And, for what it's worth, I wound up seeing "Dog Gone", and I have to admit, it was very cathartic. Brian goes on yet another political crusade, and at first it seems like it's going to succeed and he's going to be the big damn hero ''again'', but instead he and the viewer both get to see, in horrific detail, exactly how misguided it really is. As an added bonus, the crusade in question happens to be the same one as in the equally insufferable webcomic ''Raine Dog'', so the scene wound up being an unintentional "screw you" to that as well.

* Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: 'Jerome is The New Black' and 'Quagmire's Dad' are my opinion the most recent dethroning moments. The subplot of 'Jerome' was just awful. I know there are alot of complaints about TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Quagmire gives Brian in the episode was not a dethroning moment but it was truly bad. Quagmire is by far a worse character than Brian (who is a pretty bad character himself). It doesn't help 8that Quagmire's flanderized deviant personality has become unfunny. Also Quagmire says that he works at a soup kitchen. I don't recall him ever working at one. It seems to me like an AssPull written-in to justify Quagmire's speech. Also what happened to Jerome? He never moved away or anything. He stayed in Quahog and was accepted into Peter's group. So where is he? At this point you'd think it was written by TiteKubo. 'Quagmire's Dad' seems to completely destroy the whole supposed 'liberal and open-minded' views of the show. The whole family acts disgusted by Ida being a transwoman. I know it's not completely out of character for the family to be complete jerkasses but [[DudeNotFunny it was really shitty of the writers to do that just for the sake of some cheap jokes]]. It's made even worse when Brian (who is the most liberal and open-minded and AuthorAvatar for Seth Mcfarlane who views himself as a gay, lesbian, and transgendered activist)is so disgusted that he slept with Ida he pukes to an unrealistic extent. You know something's seriously fucked up when it's homophobic Quagmire who accepts Ida first being who she is. This again may be [[BerserkButton a personal thing for me]] (considering that I think transgendered people are severly abused by socitey)but it definetly proof that the show is complete crap. I can't think of why I was still watching the show.
** One of Quagmire's arguements is the he doesn't deny what he is, while brian acts sanctimonius despite all his flaws (Quagmire flat out says "Yes, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it." Brian claims to be into deep women yet strangely always winds up with attractive women. And Quagmire also said "Who are you to judge anyone for being stupid and cruel considering that you failed as a dad and failed to graduate college TWICE." Quagmire's main point was that Brian continues to act like he's perfect and has the right to judge everyone, when he himself has quite a few flaws(calling christians stupid when he failed to graduate TWICE". Quagmire is throwing stones from a glass house, but it is a legit point.
*** Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: Well it seemed in my opinion (as I forgot to mention it in my earlier argument) is that it seemed like the writers were trying to make Quagmire seem like a good person. Plus the second time Brian failed college was because he wanted to keep his honor not because he was stupid. Besides that the rant wasn't even funny. There was like one funny line but the whole thing was so drawn out and cruel. It felt like a TakeThat to Seth Mcfarlane which was just really stupid.

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** ...And, for what it's worth, I wound up seeing "Dog Gone", and I have to admit, it was very cathartic. Brian goes on yet another political crusade, and at first it seems like it's going to succeed and he's going to be the big damn hero ''again'', but instead he and the viewer both get to see, in horrific detail, exactly how misguided it really is. As an added bonus, the crusade in question happens to be the same one as in the equally insufferable webcomic ''Raine Dog'', so the scene wound up being an unintentional "screw you" to that as well.

* Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: 'Jerome is The New Black' and 'Quagmire's Dad' are my opinion the most recent dethroning moments. The subplot of 'Jerome' was just awful. I know there are alot of complaints about TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Quagmire gives Brian in the episode was not a dethroning moment but it was truly bad. Quagmire is by far a worse character than Brian (who is a pretty bad character himself). It doesn't help 8that Quagmire's flanderized deviant personality has become unfunny. Also Quagmire says that he works at a soup kitchen. I don't recall him ever working at one. It seems to me like an AssPull written-in to justify Quagmire's speech. Also what happened to Jerome? He never moved away or anything. He stayed in Quahog and was accepted into Peter's group. So where is he? At this point you'd think it was written by TiteKubo. 'Quagmire's Dad' seems to completely destroy the whole supposed 'liberal and open-minded' views of the show. The whole family acts disgusted by Ida being a transwoman. I know it's not completely out of character for the family to be complete jerkasses but [[DudeNotFunny it was really shitty of the writers to do that just for the sake of some cheap jokes]]. It's made even worse when Brian (who is the most liberal and open-minded and AuthorAvatar for Seth Mcfarlane who views himself as a gay, lesbian, and transgendered activist)is so disgusted that he slept with Ida he pukes to an unrealistic extent. You know something's seriously fucked up when it's homophobic Quagmire who accepts Ida first being who she is. This again may be [[BerserkButton a personal thing for me]] (considering that I think transgendered people are severly abused by socitey)but it definetly proof that the show is complete crap. I can't think of why I was still watching the show.
** One of Quagmire's arguements is the he doesn't deny what he is, while brian acts sanctimonius despite all his flaws (Quagmire flat out says "Yes, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it." Brian claims to be into deep women yet strangely always winds up with attractive women. And Quagmire also said "Who are you to judge anyone for being stupid and cruel considering that you failed as a dad and failed to graduate college TWICE." Quagmire's main point was that Brian continues to act like he's perfect and has the right to judge everyone, when he himself has quite a few flaws(calling christians stupid when he failed to graduate TWICE". Quagmire is throwing stones from a glass house, but it is a legit point.
*** Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: Well it seemed in my opinion (as I forgot to mention it in my earlier argument) is that it seemed like the writers were trying to make Quagmire seem like a good person. Plus the second time Brian failed college was because he wanted to keep his honor not because he was stupid. Besides that the rant wasn't even funny. There was like one funny line but the whole thing was so drawn out and cruel. It felt like a TakeThat to Seth Mcfarlane which was just really stupid.
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*** Tropers/{{Foamy}}: Just for the hell of it, let me list why Brian's argument makes no sense:
# So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at.
# I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes.
# I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse.
# How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists because then you'd just end up alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people?
# The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said.
# There are much better arguments for atheism out there.
# Don't try and cram in your arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense.
# Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole.
# Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.
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*** Well it seemed in my opinion (as I forgot to mention it in my earlier argument) is that it seemed like the writers were trying to make Quagmire seem like a good person. Plus the second time Brian failed college was because he wanted to keep his honor not because he was stupid. Besides that the rant wasn't even funny. There was like one funny line but the whole thing was so drawn out and cruel. It felt like a TakeThat to Seth Mcfarlane which was just really stupid.

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*** Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: Well it seemed in my opinion (as I forgot to mention it in my earlier argument) is that it seemed like the writers were trying to make Quagmire seem like a good person. Plus the second time Brian failed college was because he wanted to keep his honor not because he was stupid. Besides that the rant wasn't even funny. There was like one funny line but the whole thing was so drawn out and cruel. It felt like a TakeThat to Seth Mcfarlane which was just really stupid.
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** One of Quagmire's arguements is the he doesn't deny what he is, while brian acts sanctimonius despite all his flaws (Quagmire flat out says "Yes, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it." Brian claims to be into deep women yet strangely always winds up with attractive women. And Quagmire also said "Who are you to judge anyone for being stupid and cruel considering that you failed as a dad and failed to graduate college TWICE." Quagmire's main point was that Brian continues to act like he's perfect and has the right to judge everyone, when he himself has quite a few flaws(calling christians stupid when he failed to graduate TWICE". Quagmire is throwing stones from a glass house, but it is a legit point.

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** One of Quagmire's arguements is the he doesn't deny what he is, while brian acts sanctimonius despite all his flaws (Quagmire flat out says "Yes, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it." Brian claims to be into deep women yet strangely always winds up with attractive women. And Quagmire also said "Who are you to judge anyone for being stupid and cruel considering that you failed as a dad and failed to graduate college TWICE." Quagmire's main point was that Brian continues to act like he's perfect and has the right to judge everyone, when he himself has quite a few flaws(calling christians stupid when he failed to graduate TWICE". Quagmire is throwing stones from a glass house, but it is a legit point.point.
*** Well it seemed in my opinion (as I forgot to mention it in my earlier argument) is that it seemed like the writers were trying to make Quagmire seem like a good person. Plus the second time Brian failed college was because he wanted to keep his honor not because he was stupid. Besides that the rant wasn't even funny. There was like one funny line but the whole thing was so drawn out and cruel. It felt like a TakeThat to Seth Mcfarlane which was just really stupid.
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*** Tropers/Brainiac0982: I found that the true DMoS was right after that. Paraphrased, Peter said, "Well, you sat through all this, so as a reward, here's a monkey scratching itself. Some charity for cancer kids or something wanted this airtime, but we said screw you." It's like the creators are saying, "We know this episode sucks, but we can't think of a half-decent joke to end it on, so here some immature stock footage"
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** One of quagmire's arguements is the he doesn't deny what he is, while brian acts sactimonius despite all his flaws (Quagmire flat out says "yes, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it." Brian claims to be into deep women yet strangely always winds up with attractive women. And Quagmire also said "who are you to judge anyone for being stupid and cruel considering that you failed as a dad and failed to graduate college TWICE." Quagmire's main point was that Brian continues to act like he's perfect and has the right to judge everyone, when he himself has quite a few flaws(calling christians stupide when he failed to graduate TWICE". Quagmire is throwing stones from a glass house, but it is a legit point.

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* Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: 'Jerome is The New Black' and 'Quagmire's Dad' are my opinion the most recent dethroning moments. The subplot of 'Jerome' was just awful. I know there are alot of complaints about TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Quagmire gives Brian in the episode was not a dethroning moment but it was truly bad. Quagmire is by far a worse character than Brian (who is a pretty bad character himself). It doesn't help that Quagmire's flanderized deviant personality has become unfunny. Also Quagmire says that he works at a soup kitchen. I don't recall him ever working at one. It seems to me like an AssPull written-in to justify Quagmire's speech. Also what happened to Jerome? He never moved away or anything. He stayed in Quahog and was accepted into Peter's group. So where is he? At this point you'd think it was written by TiteKubo. 'Quagmire's Dad' seems to completely destroy the whole supposed 'liberal and open-minded' views of the show. The whole family acts disgusted by Ida being a transwoman. I know it's not completely out of character for the family to be complete jerkasses but [[DudeNotFunny it was really shitty of the writers to do that just for the sake of some cheap jokes]]. It's made even worse when Brian (who is the most liberal and open-minded and AuthorAvatar for Seth Mcfarlane who views himself as a gay, lesbian, and transgendered activist)is so disgusted that he slept with Ida he pukes to an unrealistic extent. You know something's seriously fucked up when it's homophobic Quagmire who accepts Ida first being who she is. This again may be [[BerserkButton a personal thing for me]] (considering that I think transgendered people are severly abused by socitey)but it definetly proof that the show is complete crap. I can't think of why I was still watching the show.

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* Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: 'Jerome is The New Black' and 'Quagmire's Dad' are my opinion the most recent dethroning moments. The subplot of 'Jerome' was just awful. I know there are alot of complaints about TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Quagmire gives Brian in the episode was not a dethroning moment but it was truly bad. Quagmire is by far a worse character than Brian (who is a pretty bad character himself). It doesn't help that 8that Quagmire's flanderized deviant personality has become unfunny. Also Quagmire says that he works at a soup kitchen. I don't recall him ever working at one. It seems to me like an AssPull written-in to justify Quagmire's speech. Also what happened to Jerome? He never moved away or anything. He stayed in Quahog and was accepted into Peter's group. So where is he? At this point you'd think it was written by TiteKubo. 'Quagmire's Dad' seems to completely destroy the whole supposed 'liberal and open-minded' views of the show. The whole family acts disgusted by Ida being a transwoman. I know it's not completely out of character for the family to be complete jerkasses but [[DudeNotFunny it was really shitty of the writers to do that just for the sake of some cheap jokes]]. It's made even worse when Brian (who is the most liberal and open-minded and AuthorAvatar for Seth Mcfarlane who views himself as a gay, lesbian, and transgendered activist)is so disgusted that he slept with Ida he pukes to an unrealistic extent. You know something's seriously fucked up when it's homophobic Quagmire who accepts Ida first being who she is. This again may be [[BerserkButton a personal thing for me]] (considering that I think transgendered people are severly abused by socitey)but it definetly proof that the show is complete crap. I can't think of why I was still watching the show.show.
**One of quagmire's arguements is the he doesn't deny what he is, while brian acts sactimonius despite all his flaws (Quagmire flat out says "yes, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it." Brian claims to be into deep women yet strangely always winds up with attractive women. And Quagmire also said "who are you to judge anyone for being stupid and cruel considering that you failed as a dad and failed to graduate college TWICE." Quagmire's main point was that Brian continues to act like he's perfect and has the right to judge everyone, when he himself has quite a few flaws(calling christians stupide when he failed to graduate TWICE". Quagmire is throwing stones from a glass house, but it is a legit point.
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*** Tropers/{{Foamy}}: Just for the hell of it, let me list why Brian's argument makes no sense: 1.) So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at. 2.) I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes. 3.) I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse. 4.) How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists because then you'd just end up alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people? 5.) The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said. 6.) There are much better arguments for atheism out there. 7.) Don't try and cram in your arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense. 8.) Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole. 9.) Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.

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*** Tropers/{{Foamy}}: Just for the hell of it, let me list why Brian's argument makes no sense: 1.) sense:
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So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at. 2.) at.
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I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes. 3.) stereotypes.
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I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse. 4.) worse.
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How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists because then you'd just end up alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people? 5.) people?
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The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said. 6.) said.
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There are much better arguments for atheism out there. 7.) there.
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Don't try and cram in your arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense. 8.) sense.
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Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole. 9.)
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Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.
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** ...And, for what it's worth, I wound up seeing "Dog Gone", and I have to admit, it was very cathartic. Brian goes on yet another political crusade, and at first it seems like it's going to succeed and he's going to be the big damn hero ''again'', but instead he and the viewer both get to see, in horrific detail, exactly how misguided it really is. As an added bonus, the crusade in question happens to be the same one as in the equally insufferable webcomic ''Raine Dog'', so the scene wound up being an unintentional "screw you" to that as well.

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** ...And, for what it's worth, I wound up seeing "Dog Gone", and I have to admit, it was very cathartic. Brian goes on yet another political crusade, and at first it seems like it's going to succeed and he's going to be the big damn hero ''again'', but instead he and the viewer both get to see, in horrific detail, exactly how misguided it really is. As an added bonus, the crusade in question happens to be the same one as in the equally insufferable webcomic ''Raine Dog'', so the scene wound up being an unintentional "screw you" to that as well.well.

* Tropers/ExorciseTheGirl: 'Jerome is The New Black' and 'Quagmire's Dad' are my opinion the most recent dethroning moments. The subplot of 'Jerome' was just awful. I know there are alot of complaints about TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Quagmire gives Brian in the episode was not a dethroning moment but it was truly bad. Quagmire is by far a worse character than Brian (who is a pretty bad character himself). It doesn't help that Quagmire's flanderized deviant personality has become unfunny. Also Quagmire says that he works at a soup kitchen. I don't recall him ever working at one. It seems to me like an AssPull written-in to justify Quagmire's speech. Also what happened to Jerome? He never moved away or anything. He stayed in Quahog and was accepted into Peter's group. So where is he? At this point you'd think it was written by TiteKubo. 'Quagmire's Dad' seems to completely destroy the whole supposed 'liberal and open-minded' views of the show. The whole family acts disgusted by Ida being a transwoman. I know it's not completely out of character for the family to be complete jerkasses but [[DudeNotFunny it was really shitty of the writers to do that just for the sake of some cheap jokes]]. It's made even worse when Brian (who is the most liberal and open-minded and AuthorAvatar for Seth Mcfarlane who views himself as a gay, lesbian, and transgendered activist)is so disgusted that he slept with Ida he pukes to an unrealistic extent. You know something's seriously fucked up when it's homophobic Quagmire who accepts Ida first being who she is. This again may be [[BerserkButton a personal thing for me]] (considering that I think transgendered people are severly abused by socitey)but it definetly proof that the show is complete crap. I can't think of why I was still watching the show.
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**** Well, yeah, but with all due respect, the "Shipoopi" scene is nonetheless far more acceptable than the Conway Twitty cutaways. In other words, when "Shipoopi" comes on, you just want to join in the fun, but when the Conway Twitty cutaways come on, you just want to shut the thing off.

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**** Well, yeah, but with all due respect, the "Shipoopi" scene is nonetheless far more watchable and acceptable than the Conway Twitty cutaways. In other words, when "Shipoopi" comes on, you just want to join in the fun, but when the Conway Twitty cutaways come on, you just want to shut the thing off.
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**** Well, yeah, but with all due respect, the "Shipoopi" scene is nonetheless far more acceptable than the Conway Twitty cutaways. In other words, when "Shipoopi" comes on, you just want to join in the fun, but when the Conway Twitty cutaways come on, you just want to shut the thing off.
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*** In all fairness, they're probably the same ones who find those interminable Conway Twitty cutaways endlessly hilarious. In fact, six words: "Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Conway Twitty". Now THERE's a DethroningMomentOfSuck.
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** So, first Meg is ugly because God doesn't exist, now she's beautiful because Christianity doesn't exist?
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* Tropers/{{Demetrios}}: For me, the episode "Family Goy" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was [[DudeNotFunny Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry]]. Especially the tasteless [[SarcasmMode homage]] to ''[=~Schindler's List~=]''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as the [[{{Batman}} Joker]]. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool Joker]] from ''BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/{{Batman}} Jack Nicholson]] and [[TheDarkKnightSaga Heath Ledger]].

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* Tropers/{{Demetrios}}: For me, the episode "Family Goy" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was [[DudeNotFunny Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry]]. Especially the tasteless [[SarcasmMode homage]] to ''[=~Schindler's List~=]''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as the [[{{Batman}} Joker]]. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool cool]] [[LaughablyEvil Joker]] from ''BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/{{Batman}} Jack Nicholson]] and [[TheDarkKnightSaga Heath Ledger]].
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** Maybe so, but it was in-character for Peter to say something like that.
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** YourMileageMayVary, though, on the "Shipoopi" scene, as apparently most fans of the show find that scene rather enjoyable and entertaining, despite its somewhat iconic status as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.

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** YourMileageMayVary, though, on the "Shipoopi" scene, as apparently most despite being unnecessary and somewhat out-of-place, it has still managed to gain a following among fans of the show find that scene rather enjoyable and entertaining, despite its somewhat iconic status as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.show.
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* Baronobeefdip: The episode where Stewie cracks his head open and spends the ''entire'' epside with a coma and [[NauseaFuel his brains falling out]]. Ok, people, there's DeadBabyComedy, and then there's ''this''. It's not funny, it's just cruel and disgusting. Remember, DeadBabyComedy only ''works'' when it's so ridiculously over-the-top that it becomes ''hilarous''. Stewie being seriously injured and/or dying is ''NOT'' ridiculously over the top and therefore is ''NOT'' hilarious. It'd be like someone stabbing a puppy and ripping out its intestines. [[DudeNotFunny That's just sick, man.]]

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* Baronobeefdip: The episode where Stewie cracks his head open and spends the ''entire'' epside with a coma and [[NauseaFuel his brains falling out]]. Ok, people, there's DeadBabyComedy, and then there's ''this''. It's not funny, it's just cruel and disgusting. Remember, DeadBabyComedy only ''works'' when it's so ridiculously over-the-top that it becomes ''hilarous''. Stewie being seriously injured and/or dying is ''NOT'' ridiculously over the top and therefore is ''NOT'' hilarious. It'd be like someone stabbing a puppy and ripping out its intestines. [[DudeNotFunny That's just sick, man.]]]]
* Tropers/ThePocket: The one where they go to Texas. Like that one guy above said, you can't mix preachiness with over-the-top parody, and this episode shows why perfectly: The people they meet there are deliberately exaggerated for comedic effect, yet then you have Brian taking it totally seriously, which makes it seem like the writers did too (even though, unless you're incredibly cynical, it's obvious that they aren't and cannot possibly ''be'' that stupid). It's also an example of why a character like Brian does not work on this show: He's essentially a real person ([[AuthorAvatar namely the writer]]) living on PlanetEris, and for the most part they're stuck making him ignore the sort of behavior someone like him shouldn't be tolerating. It's only when that behavior offends his political sensibilities, apparently, that he can't stand silently by. Of course, "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" would end up taking this problem even further; I just lost patience sooner than most people apparently.
** ...And, for what it's worth, I wound up seeing "Dog Gone", and I have to admit, it was very cathartic. Brian goes on yet another political crusade, and at first it seems like it's going to succeed and he's going to be the big damn hero ''again'', but instead he and the viewer both get to see, in horrific detail, exactly how misguided it really is. As an added bonus, the crusade in question happens to be the same one as in the equally insufferable webcomic ''Raine Dog'', so the scene wound up being an unintentional "screw you" to that as well.
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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: YourMileageMayVary, though, on the "Shipoopi" scene, as apparently most fans of the show find that scene rather enjoyable and entertaining, despite its somewhat iconic status as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.

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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: YourMileageMayVary, though, on the "Shipoopi" scene, as apparently most fans of the show find that scene rather enjoyable and entertaining, despite its somewhat iconic status as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.
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** Tropers/{{taylorkerekes}}: YourMileageMayVary, though, on the "Shipoopi" scene, as apparently most fans of the show find that scene rather enjoyable and entertaining, despite its somewhat iconic status as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.
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* Tropers/{{Jamilee}}: The Road to the Multiverse episode. Specifically the part where Stewie and Brian traveled to the universe where Christianity never existed. By now I am used to Family Guys constant and relentless gabs at religion, but this one goes beyond just bashing Christianity. In that particular universe Stewie and Brian observed that universe's Meg, looking more like a playboy model than the supposedly unattractive teen we all know. She was dressed provocatively in a micromini skirt and tube top with her 36D breasts hanging out. Since I sincerely doubt that just not having a religion would make people be automatically born more conventionally 'attractive', that would imply that women in that universe routinely alter their bodies to me more attractive to men. If "making women walking sex objects is the supposedly 'perfect' universe" is not a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, I don't know what is.

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* Tropers/{{Jamilee}}: The Road to the Multiverse episode. Specifically the part where Stewie and Brian traveled to the universe where Christianity never existed. By now I am used to Family Guys constant and relentless gabs at religion, but this one goes beyond just bashing Christianity. In that particular universe Stewie and Brian observed that universe's Meg, looking more like a playboy model than the supposedly unattractive teen we all know. She was dressed provocatively in a micromini skirt and tube top with her 36D breasts hanging out. Since I sincerely doubt that just not having a religion would make people be automatically born more conventionally 'attractive', that would imply that women in that universe routinely alter their bodies to me more attractive to men. If "making women walking sex objects is the supposedly 'perfect' universe" is not a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, I don't know what is.is.
* Baronobeefdip: The episode where Stewie cracks his head open and spends the ''entire'' epside with a coma and [[NauseaFuel his brains falling out]]. Ok, people, there's DeadBabyComedy, and then there's ''this''. It's not funny, it's just cruel and disgusting. Remember, DeadBabyComedy only ''works'' when it's so ridiculously over-the-top that it becomes ''hilarous''. Stewie being seriously injured and/or dying is ''NOT'' ridiculously over the top and therefore is ''NOT'' hilarious. It'd be like someone stabbing a puppy and ripping out its intestines. [[DudeNotFunny That's just sick, man.]]
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** Maybe so, but it was in-character for Peter to say something like that.

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** Tropers/Grimace: The horrific icing on the moldy, smelly cake to the above is that the same episode had a wonderfully silly sub-plot featuring Stewie's antics with the cast of ''StarTrekTNG''. So not only was the main plot godawful (no pun etc), but they had an excellent opportunity for an episode of hilarious TNG gags that the audience would have loved, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot but they just wasted it]].
*** Just for the hell of it, let me (Foamy) list why Brian's argument makes no sense: 1.) So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at. 2.) I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes. 3.) I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse. 4.) How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists because then you'd just end up alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people? 5.) The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said. 6.) There are much better arguments for atheism out there. 7.) Don't try and cram in your arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense. 8.) Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole. 9.) Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.
*** (Gravityman) At some point you have to wonder if the whole thing was even meant to be remotely serious. Given that Brian gives such an idiotic argument and that everybody just accepts it without the least bit of questioning. The only logical explanation for an episode being this bad is the makers [[{{Troll}} intentionally making it as bad as possible]].
* Tropers/DragonQuestZ: The "Nazis would support [=McCain=] and Palin" joke. I'm not a conservative, and even agree with a lot of the show's politics, but that kind of joke is the crap people like Sean Hannity and AnnCoulter would pull, and I don't take it from them, so I won't take it from this show.
** {{Tropers/Deuxhero}}: Please, name one instance of either of them pulling something like that.
* Tropers/HappyMan: Family Gay. How the "being gay is not a choice, and we should accept them the way they are" intended aesop was warped into "gays are ammoral assholes that find partners easily replaceable and care nothing but sex, and we should accept them the way they are". Because that's exactly what Peter says with his actions after becoming gay: he ditches his wife and family for a random guy named Scott, leaving them ravaged. Let's not forget that, apparently, being gay makes you want to bang ten guys at once. This shows how bad is to preach in a comedy show, you simply can't be serious and funny at the same time. Oh, and the frosting of the cake was Lois' last line, "I can't change your orientation, and I'd be wrong for me to try", when they ''DID'' change Peter's orientation.
** {{Tropers/Deuxhero}}: Let's no forget the "not a choice" bit gets combined with Peter having ''willingly choose'' (with full knowledge it is what would happen) to have drugs that make him gay used on him.
* Pagannerd: From the episode where Meg dates "A completely normal boy!", when Lois, who, although being a bitch, has always tried to be a good mother who looks out for her children, undergoes the final step of her {{jerkass}} {{character derailment}} by sexually assaulting her daughters' boyfriend, and then, when caught, claiming that he was RAPING her.

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** Tropers/Grimace: Tropers/{{Grimace}}: The horrific icing on the moldy, smelly cake to the above is that the same episode had a wonderfully silly sub-plot featuring Stewie's antics with the cast of ''StarTrekTNG''. So not only was the main plot godawful (no pun etc), but they had an excellent opportunity for an episode of hilarious TNG gags that the audience would have loved, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot but they just wasted it]].
*** Tropers/{{Foamy}}: Just for the hell of it, let me (Foamy) list why Brian's argument makes no sense: 1.) So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at. 2.) I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes. 3.) I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse. 4.) How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists because then you'd just end up alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people? 5.) The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said. 6.) There are much better arguments for atheism out there. 7.) Don't try and cram in your arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense. 8.) Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole. 9.) Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.
*** (Gravityman) At some point you have to wonder if the whole thing was even meant to be remotely serious. Given that Brian gives such an idiotic argument and that everybody just accepts it without the least bit of questioning. The only logical explanation for an episode being this bad is the makers [[{{Troll}} intentionally making it as bad as possible]].
* Tropers/DragonQuestZ: The "Nazis would support [=McCain=] and Palin" joke. I'm not a conservative, and even agree with a lot of the show's politics, but that kind of joke is the crap people like Sean Hannity and AnnCoulter would pull, and I don't take it from them, so I won't take it from this show.
** {{Tropers/Deuxhero}}: Please, name one instance of either of them pulling something like that.
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* Tropers/HappyMan: Family Gay."Family Gay". How the "being gay is not a choice, and we should accept them the way they are" intended aesop was warped into "gays are ammoral assholes that find partners easily replaceable and care nothing but sex, and we should accept them the way they are". Because that's exactly what Peter says with his actions after becoming gay: he ditches his wife and family for a random guy named Scott, leaving them ravaged. Let's not forget that, apparently, being gay makes you want to bang ten guys at once. This shows how bad is to preach in a comedy show, you simply can't be serious and funny at the same time. Oh, and the frosting of the cake was Lois' last line, "I can't change your orientation, and I'd be wrong for me to try", when they ''DID'' change Peter's orientation.
** {{Tropers/Deuxhero}}: Let's no forget Tropers/{{Deuxhero}}: Also, the "not a choice" bit gets combined with Peter having ''willingly choose'' (with full knowledge it is what would happen) to have drugs that make him gay used on him.
* Pagannerd: Tropers/{{Pagannerd}}: From the episode where Meg dates "A completely normal boy!", when Lois, who, although being a bitch, has always tried to be a good mother who looks out for her children, undergoes the final step of her {{jerkass}} {{character derailment}} by sexually assaulting her daughters' boyfriend, and then, when caught, claiming that he was RAPING her.



* ''SuperSaiyaMan'': ''Untitled Griffin Family Story'' is the episode where you can actually PIN-POINT [[FamilyGuy Family Guy's]] descent into mediocrity and SoBadItsHorrible. Lets see, we revisit Nate Griffin, which could have been good but... well it turned out bad when we learn he 'invented the DMV'. Then we learn the Griffins are literally ''related to Hitler''. And finally, when the family doesn't do anything to help [[ButtMonkey Meg]] from getting arrested, and Peter's comment at the end and overall attitude... yeah, this is the starting point of the show's descent into suckiness.
* ''ShadowSlip'': The way they wrote out Cleveland's ex-wife in that ''Family Guy''/''Cleveland Show'' crossover. Basically, it says a man (Glenn Quagmire) can be an adulterer (let's not forget some of his more questionable behavior) all he likes and [[KarmaHoudini not get any sort of comeuppance for his behavior]], but when a woman does it even ONCE [[DoubleStandard has to be made to pay for it with her LIFE later on]]! This Troper is sick of this.
* Ipdf3: the Brian and Stewie episode. You know the one. Brian gets locked in a vault with Stewie and what follows are the most unwatchable "humor scenes" in history. The only humor in that episode appears to be quite a few minutes of Stewie telling Brian to eat his poop and then Brian actual doing it. There were no laughs to be found in the entire first half of the episode. However, the serious scenes should have saved it, right? It should have, but it felt too much like CharacterDerailment. Brian has been occasionally unhappy but never showed signs of depression or suicidal thinking. And the last part, where Brian and Stewie admit they love each other after having spent the entire first half of the episode abusing each other, just felt forced. Bottom line: no humor and a very hollow emotional theme. Please ''FamilyGuy'', stick to what you do best: raunchy offensive humor, not mediocre poop jokes and soap opera dramatics.
* ''Thormy'': "The Juice is Loose" is an OJ episode. Hey, remember back in 1995 when that would've been funny? The episode was written to probably coincide with the rumors of the OJ "What if I Did Do It?" book. But it seems in bad taste and a joke way too late to be really funny. Any episode after that is just awful.
* ''Alternatevil'': Recently (2010), there was an episode where Peter and company embark on a journey to find the source of the world's dirty jokes. It was a decent enough episode, still littered with {{plot hole}}s, but still moderately enjoyable. That is, until the gang travels to WashingtonDC, and to the Vietnam War Memorial. There was a poor caricature of a Vietnamese man bragging to the mourners there about 'winning' {{the Vietnam War}}. Now I know that these writers are the kind that pride themselves on the amount of hate mail they get, but this sincerely broke my heart. I thought, how dare they? How dare you! Vietnamese people are barely represented in the media as it is, and the few depictions are the sort of exotic smuggler gang of the week or as a Vietnam War retrospective (think generic flashback into combat in a jungle). How dare you propagate blatant racism on national television? Why cannot you look to us as ordinary humans and not some inane gimmick plot device? Plus it doesn't even [[FridgeLogic make sense in context]]. The Vietnamese guy is just randomly at the war memorial? Why? Just to brag? And why does he look like he's 30 when he apparently fought in the Vietnam War?
** ''Crazy Luigi'': I didn't like that joke either, but the DethroningMomentOfSuck in ''that'' episode was the ending. A random old man says that he finally got down the perfect dirty joke, and then he suddenly dies due to a heart attack or something like that. Peter then steals his dirty joke and bargains with the Dirty Joke Club or whatever its name was where Peter and his friends leave and in exchange, they hand the group the perfect dirty joke. Peter then burns down the club, killing thousands of people in the process... and the perfect joke was "Guess what? Chicken butt!" That was not only a poor joke that KingOfTheHill's Buckley did about ''ten'' or so years earlier, but also yet another completely pointless ending where even ''I'' could come up with a better naughtier joke! Hell, I bet you that even the Dirty Joke Club or whatever wouldn't like it.
* {{Demetrios}}: For me, the episode "Family Goy" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was [[DudeNotFunny Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry]]. Especially the tasteless [[SarcasmMode homage]] to ''[=~Schindler's List~=]''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as the [[{{Batman}} Joker]]. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool Joker]] from ''BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/{{Batman}} Jack Nicholson]] and [[TheDarkKnightSaga Heath Ledger]].
* ThisIsMadness91: For a while I was struggling to decide whether to keep going with ''Family Guy'' or drop it. I decided to drop it when I saw the episode "Extra Large Medium". Why? Two reasons:

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* ''SuperSaiyaMan'': Tropers/SuperSaiyaMan: ''Untitled Griffin Family Story'' is the episode where you can actually PIN-POINT [[FamilyGuy Family Guy's]] descent into mediocrity and SoBadItsHorrible.horrible. Lets see, we revisit Nate Griffin, which could have been good but... well it turned out bad when we learn he 'invented the DMV'. Then we learn the Griffins are literally ''related to Hitler''. And finally, when the family doesn't do anything to help [[ButtMonkey Meg]] from getting arrested, and Peter's comment at the end and overall attitude... yeah, this is the starting point of the show's descent into suckiness.
* ''ShadowSlip'': Tropers/ShadowSlip: The way they wrote out Cleveland's ex-wife in that ''Family Guy''/''Cleveland Show'' crossover. Basically, it says a man (Glenn Quagmire) can be an adulterer (let's not forget some of his more questionable behavior) all he likes and [[KarmaHoudini not get any sort of comeuppance for his behavior]], but when a woman does it even ONCE [[DoubleStandard has to be made to pay for it with her LIFE later on]]! This Troper is I am sick of this.
* Ipdf3: Tropers/{{Ipdf3}}: the Brian and Stewie episode. You know the one. Brian gets locked in a vault with Stewie and what follows are the most unwatchable "humor scenes" in history. The only humor in that episode appears to be quite a few minutes of Stewie telling Brian to eat his poop and then Brian actual doing it. There were no laughs to be found in the entire first half of the episode. However, the serious scenes should have saved it, right? It should have, but it felt too much like CharacterDerailment. Brian has been occasionally unhappy but never showed signs of depression or suicidal thinking. And the last part, where Brian and Stewie admit they love each other after having spent the entire first half of the episode abusing each other, just felt forced. Bottom line: no humor and a very hollow emotional theme. Please ''FamilyGuy'', stick to what you do best: raunchy offensive humor, not mediocre poop jokes and soap opera dramatics.
* ''Thormy'': Tropers/{{Thormy}}: "The Juice is Loose" is an OJ episode. Hey, remember back in 1995 when that would've been funny? The episode was written to probably coincide with the rumors of the OJ "What if I Did Do It?" book. But it seems in bad taste and a joke way too late to be really funny. Any episode after that is just awful.
* ''Alternatevil'': Recently (2010), there Tropers/{{Alternatevil}}: There was an episode where Peter and company embark on a journey to find the source of the world's dirty jokes. It was a decent enough episode, still littered with {{plot hole}}s, but still moderately enjoyable. That is, until the gang travels to WashingtonDC, and to the Vietnam War Memorial. There was a poor caricature of a Vietnamese man bragging to the mourners there about 'winning' {{the Vietnam War}}. Now I know that these writers are the kind that pride themselves on the amount of hate mail they get, but this sincerely broke my heart. I thought, how dare they? How dare you! Vietnamese people are barely represented in the media as it is, and the few depictions are the sort of exotic smuggler gang of the week or as a Vietnam War retrospective (think generic flashback into combat in a jungle). How dare you propagate blatant racism on national television? Why cannot you look to us as ordinary humans and not some inane gimmick plot device? Plus it doesn't even [[FridgeLogic make sense in context]]. The Vietnamese guy is just randomly at the war memorial? Why? Just to brag? And why does he look like he's 30 when he apparently fought in the Vietnam War?
** ''Crazy Luigi'': Tropers/CrazyLuigi: I didn't like that joke either, but the DethroningMomentOfSuck in ''that'' episode was the ending. A random old man says that he finally got down the perfect dirty joke, and then he suddenly dies due to a heart attack or something like that. Peter then steals his dirty joke and bargains with the Dirty Joke Club or whatever its name was where Peter and his friends leave and in exchange, they hand the group the perfect dirty joke. Peter then burns down the club, killing thousands of people in the process... and the perfect joke was "Guess what? Chicken butt!" That was not only a poor joke that KingOfTheHill's Buckley did about ''ten'' or so years earlier, but also yet another completely pointless ending where even ''I'' could come up with a better naughtier joke! Hell, I bet you that even the Dirty Joke Club or whatever wouldn't like it.
* {{Demetrios}}: Tropers/{{Demetrios}}: For me, the episode "Family Goy" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was [[DudeNotFunny Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry]]. Especially the tasteless [[SarcasmMode homage]] to ''[=~Schindler's List~=]''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as the [[{{Batman}} Joker]]. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool Joker]] from ''BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/{{Batman}} Jack Nicholson]] and [[TheDarkKnightSaga Heath Ledger]].
* ThisIsMadness91: Tropers/ThisIsMadness91: For a while I was struggling to decide whether to keep going with ''Family Guy'' or drop it. I decided to drop it when I saw the episode "Extra Large Medium". Why? Two reasons:



* Jamilee: The Road to the Multiverse episode. Specifically the part where Stewie and Brian traveled to the universe where Christianity never existed. By now I am used to Family Guys constant and relentless gabs at religion, but this one goes beyond just bashing Christianity. In that particular universe Stewie and Brian observed that universe's Meg, looking more like a playboy model than the supposedly unattractive teen we all know. She was dressed provocatively in a micromini skirt and tube top with her 36D breasts hanging out. Since I sincerely doubt that just not having a religion would make people be automatically born more conventionally 'attractive', that would imply that women in that universe routinely alter their bodies to me more attractive to men. If "making women walking sex objects is the supposedly 'perfect' universe" is not a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, I don't know what is.

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* Jamilee: Tropers/{{Jamilee}}: The Road to the Multiverse episode. Specifically the part where Stewie and Brian traveled to the universe where Christianity never existed. By now I am used to Family Guys constant and relentless gabs at religion, but this one goes beyond just bashing Christianity. In that particular universe Stewie and Brian observed that universe's Meg, looking more like a playboy model than the supposedly unattractive teen we all know. She was dressed provocatively in a micromini skirt and tube top with her 36D breasts hanging out. Since I sincerely doubt that just not having a religion would make people be automatically born more conventionally 'attractive', that would imply that women in that universe routinely alter their bodies to me more attractive to men. If "making women walking sex objects is the supposedly 'perfect' universe" is not a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, I don't know what is.

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* Tropers/SNESMasterKI: The episode ''Not all Dogs go to Heaven'', which can basically be described as an anti-theist ChickTract, was the most jarring Dethroning Moment of Suck I have ever seen. There were so many Chick parallels; the old man in the sky "disproof" was similar to anti-evolutionist "I've never seen a monkey give birth to a human" sentiment, and after telling Meg her very existence proves no benevolent force exists, Brian tells her the physical universe is better than God, mirroring Chick tracts ending with "God is going to send you and everyone you know to hell for existing (one minute later) God loves you so much." I watched most of ''MoralOrel'' without getting offended (meaning I didn't see all of it, not that any of it offended me), so that should give some scope on how ridiculously hateful the episode was.
** Tropers/Grimace: The horrific icing on the mouldy, smelly cake to the above is that the same episode had a wonderfully silly sub-plot featuring Stewie's antics with the cast of ''StarTrekTNG''. So not only was the main plot godawful (no pun etc), but they had an excellent opportunity for an epsiode of hilarious TNG gags that the audience would have loved, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot but they just wasted it]].
*** Just for the hell of it, let me (Foamy) list why Brian's arguement makes no sense: 1.) So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at. 2.) I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes. 3.) I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse. 4.) How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists necause then you'd just end up alond and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people? 5.) The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said. 6.) There are much better arguements for atheism out there. 7.) Don't try and cram in your arguements for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense. 8.) Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole. 9.) Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your arguement to work or else nobody is going to buy it.

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* Tropers/SNESMasterKI: The episode ''Not "Not all Dogs go to Heaven'', Heaven", which can basically be described as an anti-theist ChickTract, was the most jarring Dethroning Moment of Suck I have ever seen. There were so many Chick parallels; the old man in the sky "disproof" was similar to anti-evolutionist "I've never seen a monkey give birth to a human" sentiment, and after telling Meg her very existence proves no benevolent force exists, Brian tells her the physical universe is better than God, mirroring Chick tracts ending with "God is going to send you and everyone you know to hell for existing (one minute later) God loves you so much." I watched most of ''MoralOrel'' without getting offended (meaning I didn't see all of it, not that any of it offended me), so that should give some scope on how ridiculously hateful the episode was.
** Tropers/Grimace: The horrific icing on the mouldy, moldy, smelly cake to the above is that the same episode had a wonderfully silly sub-plot featuring Stewie's antics with the cast of ''StarTrekTNG''. So not only was the main plot godawful (no pun etc), but they had an excellent opportunity for an epsiode episode of hilarious TNG gags that the audience would have loved, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot but they just wasted it]].
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*** Just for the hell of it, let me (Foamy) list why Brian's arguement argument makes no sense: 1.) So Meg being ugly means God doesn't exist? So, what, are you trying to say that God should've made everyone look exactly the same? Or scramble people's brains so that the have a different concept of beauty? I mean, wouldn't it be a bad idea for God to play Mad Scientist and make peoples' babies look completely different because God thinks that'll make everything easier on everyone? Also, what the hell happened to beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Hell, Meg even got a boyfriend in a later episode so he must think she's at least bearable to look at. 2.) I'd be more willing to believe your speech if you hadn't spent the last twenty minutes of the episode making Christians into walking stereotypes. 3.) I'd also be more willing to believe you if a previous episode hadn't already established that religion makes a person no better ''and'' no worse. 4.) How the fuck would anyone apply this lesson in real life? Are we supposed to treat anybody who believes in God or several Gods with open hostility? What if someone mentioned they were a Christian or something off-handidly at work. If you made a long-winded speech like Brian did in real life I'd imagine you'd get fired...and you can't really act like that towards your friends or family who aren't atheists necause because then you'd just end up alond alone and depressed. If we aren't meant to treat them with hostility then did you just want everyone who watched the episode to become an atheist and change nothing else about their lives? What would that accomplish? Would that somehow automatically make them better people? 5.) The writer's ego completely overshadowed the cast of Star Trek TNG so I'd be so pissed at this point that I wouldn't agree to almost anything you said. 6.) There are much better arguements arguments for atheism out there. 7.) Don't try and cram in your arguements arguments for atheism in the last three minutes of your episode, especially if everything leading up to it doesn't make any sense. 8.) Don't let Brian be the one to give out any aesop you have. Brian is an asshole. 9.) Even if you're right about something you need to use logic for your arguement argument to work or else nobody is going to buy it.



* Tropers/DragonQuestZ: The "Nazis would support [=McCain=] and Palin" joke. I'm not a conservative, and even agree with a lot of the show's politics, but that kind of joke is the crap people like Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter would pull, and I don't take it from them, so I won't take it from this show.

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* Tropers/DragonQuestZ: The "Nazis would support [=McCain=] and Palin" joke. I'm not a conservative, and even agree with a lot of the show's politics, but that kind of joke is the crap people like Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter AnnCoulter would pull, and I don't take it from them, so I won't take it from this show.



* Tropers/HappyMan: Family Gay. How the "being gay is not a choice, and we should accpet them the way they are" intended aesop was warped into "gays are ammoral assholes that find partners easily replaceable and care nothing but sex, and we should accept them the way they are". Because that's exactly what Peter says with his actions after becoming gay: he ditches his wife and family for a random guy named Scott, leaving them ravaged. Let's not forget that, apparently, being gay makes you want to bang ten guys at once. This shows how bad is to preach in a comedy show, you simply can't be serious and funny at the same time. Oh, and the forsting of the cake was Lois' last line, "I can't change your orientation, and I'd be wrong for me to try", when they DID change Peter's orientation.
** {{Tropers/Deuxhero}}: Let's no forget the "not a choice" bit gets combined with Peter having ''willingly choose'' (with full knowledge it is what would happen) to have drugs that make him gay used on him.
* Pagannerd: From the episode where Meg dates "A completely normal boy!", when Lois, who, although being a bitch, has always tried to be a good mother who looks out for her children, undergoes the final step of her Jerkass Character Derailment by sexually assualting her daughters' boyfriend, and then, when caught, claiming that he was RAPING her.
* Tropers/{{Sceptre}}: Patriot Games-- the home of the infamous "Where's my money?" and "Shipoopi" scenes. The former scene was just unnecessary violence and is uncomfortable to watch. The sheer unnecessary-ness of the latter scene was parodied five years later in a clip show, when Stewie cringes at the fact that they have to play "Shipoopi" again.
* [[Tropers/{{Midoriri}} Midoriri:]] For me, it was one of the Manatee Gags in ''Padre de Familia.'' Brian reminds Peter that he (Peter) didn't even ''know'' about 9/11 until years later. Okay, fine... but then we cut to Lois, watching the coverage with tears in her eyes and a tissue in hand... and peter walks in, glances at the TV, ''laughs'' and says "Must be a woman-pilot," before walking off. ''[[DudeNotFunny That's not f* cking funny]]!''

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* Tropers/HappyMan: Family Gay. How the "being gay is not a choice, and we should accpet accept them the way they are" intended aesop was warped into "gays are ammoral assholes that find partners easily replaceable and care nothing but sex, and we should accept them the way they are". Because that's exactly what Peter says with his actions after becoming gay: he ditches his wife and family for a random guy named Scott, leaving them ravaged. Let's not forget that, apparently, being gay makes you want to bang ten guys at once. This shows how bad is to preach in a comedy show, you simply can't be serious and funny at the same time. Oh, and the forsting frosting of the cake was Lois' last line, "I can't change your orientation, and I'd be wrong for me to try", when they DID ''DID'' change Peter's orientation.
** {{Tropers/Deuxhero}}: Let's no forget the "not a choice" bit gets combined with Peter having ''willingly choose'' (with full knowledge it is what would happen) to have drugs that make him gay used on him.
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* Pagannerd: From the episode where Meg dates "A completely normal boy!", when Lois, who, although being a bitch, has always tried to be a good mother who looks out for her children, undergoes the final step of her Jerkass Character Derailment {{jerkass}} {{character derailment}} by sexually assualting assaulting her daughters' boyfriend, and then, when caught, claiming that he was RAPING her.
* Tropers/{{Sceptre}}: Patriot Games-- "Patriot Games" -- the home of the infamous "Where's my money?" and "Shipoopi" scenes. The former scene was just unnecessary violence and is uncomfortable to watch. The sheer unnecessary-ness of the latter scene was parodied five years later in a clip show, when Stewie cringes at the fact that they have to play "Shipoopi" again.
* [[Tropers/{{Midoriri}} Midoriri:]] Tropers/{{Midoriri}}: For me, it was one of the Manatee Gags {{manatee gag}}s in ''Padre "Padre de Familia.'' Familia". Brian reminds Peter that he (Peter) didn't even ''know'' about 9/11 until years later. Okay, fine... but then we cut to Lois, watching the coverage with tears in her eyes and a tissue in hand... and peter Peter walks in, glances at the TV, ''laughs'' and says "Must be a woman-pilot," before walking off. ''[[DudeNotFunny That's not f* cking f*cking funny]]!''



* ''ShadowSlip'': The way they wrote out Cleveland's Ex-Wife in that Family Guy/Cleveland Show crossover. Basically, it says a man (Glen Quagmire) can be an adulterer (let's not forget some of his more questionable behavior) all he likes and [[KarmaHoudini not get any sort of comeuppance for his behavior]], but when a woman does it even ONCE [[DoubleStandard has to be made to pay for it with her LIFE later on]]! This Troper is sick of this.
* Ipdf3: the Brian and Stewie episode. You know the one. Brian gets locked in a vault with Stewie and what follows are the most unwatchable "humor scenes" in history. The only humor in that episode appears to be quite a few minutes of Stewie telling Brian to eat his poop and then Brian actuall doing it. There were no laughs to be found in the entire first half of the episode. However, the serious scenes should have saved it, right? It should have, but it felt too much like CharacterDerailment. Brian has been occasionally unhappy but never showed signs of depression or suicidal thinking. And the last part, where Brian and Stewie admit they love each other after having spent the entire first half of the episode abusing each other, just felt forced. Bottom line: no humor and a very hollow emotional theme. Please FamilyGuy, stick to what you do best: raunchy offensive humor, not mediocre poop jokes and soap opera dramatics.
* ''Thormy'': ''The Juice is Loose'' is an OJ episode. Hey, remember back in 1995 when that would've been funny? The episode was written to probably conicide with the rumors of the OJ "What if I Did Do It?" book. But it seems in bad taste and a joke way too late to be really funny. Any episode after that is just awful.
* ''Alternatevil'': Recently (2010), there was an episode where Peter and company embark on a journey to find the source of the world's dirty jokes. It was a decent enough episode, still littered with plotholes, but still moderately enjoyable. That is, until the gang travels to Washington DC, and to the Vietnam War Memorial. There was a poor caricature of a Vietnamese man bragging to the mourners there about 'winning' the Vietnam War. Now I know that these writers are the kind that pride themselves on the amount of hate mail they get, but this sincerely broke my heart. I thought, how dare they? How dare you! Vietnamese people are barely represented in the media as it is, and the few depictions are the sort of exotic smuggler gang of the week or as a Vietnam War retrospective (think generic flashback into combat in a jungle). How dare you propagate blatant racism on national television? Why cannot you look to us as ordinary humans and not some inane gimmick plot device? Plus it doesn't even [[FridgeLogic make sense in context]]. The Vietnamese guy is just randomly at the war memorial? Why? Just to brag? And why does he look like he's 30 when he apparently fought in the Vietnam War?
** ''Crazy Luigi'': I didn't like that joke either, but the DethroningMomentOfSuck in ''that'' episode was the ending. A random old man says that he finally got down the perfect dirty joke, and then he suddenly dies due to a heart attack or something like that. Peter then steals his dirty joke and bargains with the Dirty Joke Club or whatever its name was where Peter and his freinds leave and in exchange, they hand the group the perfect dirty joke. Peter then burns down the club, killing thousands of people in the process... and the perfect joke was "Guess what? Chicken butt!" That was not only a poor joke that KingOfTheHill's Buckley did about ''ten'' or so years earlier, but also yet another completely pointless ending where even ''I'' could come up with a better naughtier joke! Hell, I bet you that even the Dirty Joke Club or whatever wouldn't like it.
* {{Demetrios}}: For me, the episode "Family Goy" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was [[DudeNotFunny Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry]]. Especially the tasteless [[SarcasmMode homage]] to ''Schindler's List''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as the [[{{Batman}} Joker]]. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool Joker]] from ''BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/{{Batman}} Jack Nicholson]] and [[TheDarkKnightSaga Heath Ledger]].
* ThisIsMadness91: For a while I was struggling to decide whether to keep going with "Family Guy" or drop it. I decided to drop it when I saw the episode ''Extra Large Medium''. Why? Two reasons. First, the end of the episode was incredibly grim and not at all funny. A missing man has an armed bomb strapped to him, and Joe wants Peter to use his (non-existent) psychic abilities to locate him. Peter stalls for time, and even tries to get Joe to let him feel the missing man's daughters breasts. When the bomb goes off, Peter bluntly admits to not really being a medium. They expect us to laugh at Peter's arrogance and idiocy costing an innocent man his life, and nearly getting his daughter molested mere moments before that. Sorry, Seth, but I don't find that funny. The second reason this episode put me off the series was the subplot. While I do think the Sarah Palin joke was in poor taste, that wasn't what irked me. It was the pointlessness of having Chris falling in love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome. It wasn't a touching story, it didn't develop his character, it was purely there to make people say, "Oh my, he's is love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome! That's so unexpected!". And of course, there's that damn annoying "Down's Syndrome Girl" song. Seriously, enough with the singing!

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* ''ShadowSlip'': The way they wrote out Cleveland's Ex-Wife ex-wife in that Family Guy/Cleveland Show ''Family Guy''/''Cleveland Show'' crossover. Basically, it says a man (Glen (Glenn Quagmire) can be an adulterer (let's not forget some of his more questionable behavior) all he likes and [[KarmaHoudini not get any sort of comeuppance for his behavior]], but when a woman does it even ONCE [[DoubleStandard has to be made to pay for it with her LIFE later on]]! This Troper is sick of this.
* Ipdf3: the Brian and Stewie episode. You know the one. Brian gets locked in a vault with Stewie and what follows are the most unwatchable "humor scenes" in history. The only humor in that episode appears to be quite a few minutes of Stewie telling Brian to eat his poop and then Brian actuall actual doing it. There were no laughs to be found in the entire first half of the episode. However, the serious scenes should have saved it, right? It should have, but it felt too much like CharacterDerailment. Brian has been occasionally unhappy but never showed signs of depression or suicidal thinking. And the last part, where Brian and Stewie admit they love each other after having spent the entire first half of the episode abusing each other, just felt forced. Bottom line: no humor and a very hollow emotional theme. Please FamilyGuy, ''FamilyGuy'', stick to what you do best: raunchy offensive humor, not mediocre poop jokes and soap opera dramatics.
* ''Thormy'': ''The "The Juice is Loose'' Loose" is an OJ episode. Hey, remember back in 1995 when that would've been funny? The episode was written to probably conicide coincide with the rumors of the OJ "What if I Did Do It?" book. But it seems in bad taste and a joke way too late to be really funny. Any episode after that is just awful.
* ''Alternatevil'': Recently (2010), there was an episode where Peter and company embark on a journey to find the source of the world's dirty jokes. It was a decent enough episode, still littered with plotholes, {{plot hole}}s, but still moderately enjoyable. That is, until the gang travels to Washington DC, WashingtonDC, and to the Vietnam War Memorial. There was a poor caricature of a Vietnamese man bragging to the mourners there about 'winning' the {{the Vietnam War.War}}. Now I know that these writers are the kind that pride themselves on the amount of hate mail they get, but this sincerely broke my heart. I thought, how dare they? How dare you! Vietnamese people are barely represented in the media as it is, and the few depictions are the sort of exotic smuggler gang of the week or as a Vietnam War retrospective (think generic flashback into combat in a jungle). How dare you propagate blatant racism on national television? Why cannot you look to us as ordinary humans and not some inane gimmick plot device? Plus it doesn't even [[FridgeLogic make sense in context]]. The Vietnamese guy is just randomly at the war memorial? Why? Just to brag? And why does he look like he's 30 when he apparently fought in the Vietnam War?
** ''Crazy Luigi'': I didn't like that joke either, but the DethroningMomentOfSuck in ''that'' episode was the ending. A random old man says that he finally got down the perfect dirty joke, and then he suddenly dies due to a heart attack or something like that. Peter then steals his dirty joke and bargains with the Dirty Joke Club or whatever its name was where Peter and his freinds friends leave and in exchange, they hand the group the perfect dirty joke. Peter then burns down the club, killing thousands of people in the process... and the perfect joke was "Guess what? Chicken butt!" That was not only a poor joke that KingOfTheHill's Buckley did about ''ten'' or so years earlier, but also yet another completely pointless ending where even ''I'' could come up with a better naughtier joke! Hell, I bet you that even the Dirty Joke Club or whatever wouldn't like it.
* {{Demetrios}}: For me, the episode "Family Goy" made me stop watching the show. The BrokenAesop at the end was bad enough on its own, but what really made me stop liking the show was [[DudeNotFunny Peter's attempts to kill Lois because of her newly discovered Jewish ancestry]]. Especially the tasteless [[SarcasmMode homage]] to ''Schindler's List''.''[=~Schindler's List~=]''. I'm not going to mince words: Peter has officially become as insane as the [[{{Batman}} Joker]]. And not the [[MagnificentBastard cool Joker]] from ''BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''; the [[NightmareFuel creepy]] [[MonsterClown Joker]] as portrayed by [[Film/{{Batman}} Jack Nicholson]] and [[TheDarkKnightSaga Heath Ledger]].
* ThisIsMadness91: For a while I was struggling to decide whether to keep going with "Family Guy" ''Family Guy'' or drop it. I decided to drop it when I saw the episode ''Extra "Extra Large Medium''. Medium". Why? Two reasons. First, reasons:
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the end of the episode was incredibly grim and not at all funny. A missing man has an armed bomb strapped to him, and Joe wants Peter to use his (non-existent) psychic abilities to locate him. Peter stalls for time, and even tries to get Joe to let him feel the missing man's daughters breasts. When the bomb goes off, Peter bluntly admits to not really being a medium. They expect us to laugh at Peter's arrogance and idiocy costing an innocent man his life, and nearly getting his daughter molested mere moments before that. Sorry, Seth, but I don't find that funny. funny.
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The second reason this episode put me off the series was the subplot. While I do think the Sarah Palin SarahPalin joke was in poor taste, that wasn't what irked me. It was the pointlessness of having Chris falling in love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome. It wasn't a touching story, it didn't develop his character, it was purely there to make people say, "Oh my, he's is love with a girl who has Down's Syndrome! That's so unexpected!". And of course, there's that damn annoying "Down's Syndrome Girl" song. Seriously, enough with the singing!
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* Jamilee: The Road to the Multiverse episode. Specifically the part where Stewie and Brian traveled to the universe where Christianity never existed. By now I am used to Family Guys constant and relentless gabs at religion, but this one goes beyond just bashing Christianity. In that particular universe Stewie and Brian observed that universe's Meg, looking more like a playboy model than the supposedly unattractive teen we all know. She was dressed provocatively in a micromini skirt and tube top with her 36D breasts hanging out. Since I sincerely doubt that just not having a religion would make people be automatically born more conventionally 'attractive', that would imply that women in that universe routinely alter their bodies to me more attractive to men. If making women is the supposedly 'perfect' universe walking sex objects is not a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, I don't know what is.

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* Jamilee: The Road to the Multiverse episode. Specifically the part where Stewie and Brian traveled to the universe where Christianity never existed. By now I am used to Family Guys constant and relentless gabs at religion, but this one goes beyond just bashing Christianity. In that particular universe Stewie and Brian observed that universe's Meg, looking more like a playboy model than the supposedly unattractive teen we all know. She was dressed provocatively in a micromini skirt and tube top with her 36D breasts hanging out. Since I sincerely doubt that just not having a religion would make people be automatically born more conventionally 'attractive', that would imply that women in that universe routinely alter their bodies to me more attractive to men. If making "making women walking sex objects is the supposedly 'perfect' universe walking sex objects universe" is not a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, I don't know what is.
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** You people seem to be CompletelyMissingThePoint of that episode its not that religion is bad and people that follow it are stupid, it’s that you should not constantly bother people about it and try to convert them. The only reason Brian told her that was so she would leave him alone and he would not have pushed that if she would have stopped bothering him about it.

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