History DethroningMoment / DCComics

* k9feline5: I was a fan of Creator/DCComics for about 20 years, from 1985-2005. My all-time favorite series was ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', and my favorite character from that series was ComicBook/BlueBeetle (Ted Kord) (many of you can now probably guess where I'm going here with this). The issue that made me quit DC altogether was ''Countdown To ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. There's nothing about this worthless, poorly written piece of crap that I don't despise. There's the superheroes [[IdiotBall who don't try very hard to investigate the theft of 100 pounds of kryptonite because a lowly "second stringer" called it in]], the snotty, dismissive attitude of most of these [[DesignatedHero "heroes"]] towards Ted, the fact that the only heroes who treat Ted with any modicum of respect barely knew him while the ones he had a history with are the snottiest of the bunch, the way Ted gives internal monologues about [[InformedAbility how "awesome" these heroes are at the same time they're treating him like crap]] making Ted look like a masochist so even Ted doesn't look good here (no, [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], this isn't even faintly the "greatest Ted Kord story ever told"), his pointless death, the fact he's getting killed by his old JLI friend Maxwell Lord (not that you could tell they were ever friends from this issue), and the way Max reveals he's been EvilAllAlong, which contradicts words, deeds, and even thoughts recorded of Max in those JLI issues. But there's one moment that's worse than all of this, that's a DMoS for me not only for this issue, but for the entire DCU, a moment so bad it made me say ScrewThisImOuttaHere on a hobby I'd had for 20 years. It's where Max [[RetCon "reveals"]] that as part of his EvilPlan he'd been "Keeping the League ineffectual for years". The only League Max (and Ted) had ever been a regular part of was the JLI so either: 1) this was a very deliberate, intentional, mean-spirited TakeThat on the part of the writers at the JLI, or 2) the writers were idiots, too stupid to realize that's precisely what it came across as. This moment was so bad that it became the one part of this one-shot that DC has tried to correct, by instead saying that Max had more of a gradual FaceHeelTurn, but that still leaves a DCU without Ted, murdered by a friend it should have been completely OOC to murder him, so that every story since then involving JLI survivors will be about how evil Max was, and now the entire JLI history along with a lot of other good things has now been retconned out of existence by ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}, so, no, I don't regret my decision to quit DC.

Even Creator/DCComics has its fair share of that moments deserve to be [[CosmicRetcon removed from history]] by [[{{God}} The Presence]]. [[DethroningMomentofSuck These instances]] are some of them.

* TimeTravelerJessica: the last page of the New 52's ''ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} #1'' has proven to be very controversial, and not just because it depicts Batman and Catwoman going at it in a scene that would look more at home in ''TarotWitchOfTheBlackRose'', but because in the process of undoing Selina knowing Bruce's identity they now have the two of them engaging in semi-anonymous sex with each other without even bothering to take off most their costumes, throwing out years of UST and CharacterDevelopment. This is a perfect example of giving fans exactly what they wanted, and yet judging by the reactions of many Bruce/Selina shippers, no one wanted it like this. Not to mention Bruce's consent is pretty nebulous.

* kensu: In ''{{Promethea}}'' it happens during the (first) journey through the Major Arcana of the tarot, when they get to the Star card. This is when it becomes obvious that Alan Moore isn't just spewing new-agey mystical nonsense, but actually believes what he's saying. This is when it goes from being a comic book to a religious tract, and it rapidly becomes unreadable.

* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: [[Comicbook/TheFlash Wally West]] finally makes his {{New 52}} debut. Quite possibly the most anticipated (let alone requested) debut in DC since it started. What we got is basically [[AngryBlackMan a black kid who already has a criminal record]] (and yes, I said kid, as he's no longer a young adult like [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]]) with neither of his parents anywhere in sight. So not only has Wally been retconned out of his own generation, but now he's more or less a stereotypical black kid who grew up in the 'hood! UnfortunateImplications doesn't even begin to describe this. I'm really hoping that the New52 is going to have their own [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] and soon. The sooner we can get rid of this walking stereotype and get the real Wally West back, the better.

* @/{{Jonn}}: I'm not sure which of the many TakeThat[=s=] in ComicBook/TheAuthority was the DMS for me, but I managed to narrow it down to two candidates. One was when the team does a little... international intervention, after which when Hawksmoor blows off President UsefulNotes/BillClinton[='=]s concerns about reprisals against the United States of America. His response is that the team isn't actually American, and the bad guys would just have to come after them. Because we all know how logical terrorist groups tend to be about such things. Also note that the team is question is mostly American. In fact, it's slightly lower, proportionately, than the usual lineup of the JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, which the remark was a TakeThat at (Wonder Woman: Greek. Aquaman: Atlantean. Martian Manhunter: Martian. Superman is Kryptonian, though he's basically a naturalized American.) And behind him in the camera pickup at the time is a bunch of people wandering in and out of the party they happen to be having at the time, offscreen, in various states of dress and sobriety.

* k9feline5: I was a fan of Creator/DCComics for about 20 years, from 1985-2005. My all-time favorite series was JusticeLeagueInternational, and my favorite character from that series was ComicBook/BlueBeetle (Ted Kord) (many of you can now probably guess where I'm going here with this). The issue that made me quit DC altogether was ''Countdown To ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. There's nothing about this worthless, poorly written piece of crap that I don't despise. There's the superheroes [[IdiotBall who don't try very hard to investigate the theft of 100 pounds of kryptonite because a lowly "second stringer" called it in]], the snotty, dismissive attitude of most of these [[DesignatedHero "heroes"]] towards Ted, the fact that the only heroes who treat Ted with any modicum of respect barely knew him while the ones he had a history with are the snottiest of the bunch, the way Ted gives internal monologues about [[InformedAbility how "awesome" these heroes are at the same time they're treating him like crap]] making Ted look like a masochist so even Ted doesn't look good here (no, [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], this isn't even faintly the "greatest Ted Kord story ever told"), his pointless death, the fact he's getting killed by his old JLI friend Maxwell Lord (not that you could tell they were ever friends from this issue), and the way Max reveals he's been EvilAllAlong, which contradicts words, deeds, and even thoughts recorded of Max in those JLI issues. But there's one moment that's worse than all of this, that's a DMoS for me not only for this issue, but for the entire DCU, a moment so bad it made me say ScrewThisImOuttaHere on a hobby I'd had for 20 years. It's where Max [[RetCon "reveals"]] that as part of his EvilPlan he'd been "Keeping the League ineffectual for years". The only League Max (and Ted) had ever been a regular part of was the JLI so either: 1) this was a very deliberate, intentional, mean-spirited TakeThat on the part of the writers at the JLI, or 2) the writers were idiots, too stupid to realize that's precisely what it came across as. This moment was so bad that it became the one part of this one-shot that DC has tried to correct, by instead saying that Max had more of a gradual FaceHeelTurn, but that still leaves a DCU without Ted, murdered by a friend it should have been completely OOC to murder him, so that every story since then involving JLI survivors will be about how evil Max was, and now the entire JLI history along with a lot of other good things has now been retconned out of existence by ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}, so, no, I don't regret my decision to quit DC.

** Tropers/SickBritKid: I was pissed enough by the entirety of Cry for Justice, but the moment that murdered comics forever for me was the death of Lian Harper. Much like Linkara, one of my favorite comic series is the Titans. Lian's presence helped humanize her father, Arsenal, as well as provide a likeable character that had good potential to develop into a good character down the line, herself, much like Roy and Dick Grayson. Her death in Cry For Justice just reeked of Joe Quesada-esque "lets make Roy cool again by getting rid of the stuff that makes him look old" style of writing, removing one of the more interesting dynamics of Roy Harper's character: Being a single father struggling between his life as a superhero as well as being there for his young daughter. There was even a parallel in the fact that after losing Lian, Roy falls back into his old heroin habit before getting his ass kicked by Dick and then proceeding to become a cliche NinetiesAntiHero, essentially a DarkerAndEdgier form of how Peter Parker became a womanizing grown man living in his aunt's basement having multiple one-night-stands after OneMoreDay.

** What about Zatanna [[spoiler: Mind wiping Doctor Light making him the goofball we know. Then mind wiping Batman based on his objection of the first mindwipe?]] This was made after the New Teen Titans, where among most things, Zatanna pretty much called Raven out for doing a similar thing to Kid Flash, which promptly turned the team against her prior to Trigon's first arrival.

** Tropers/SickBritKid: This troper was pissed enough by the entirety of Cry for Justice, but the moment that murdered comics forever for this troper was the death of Lian Harper. Much like Linkara, one of this troper's favorite comic series is the Titans. Lian's presence helped humanize her father, Arsenal, as well as provide a likeable character that had good potential to develop into a good character down the line, herself, much like Roy and Dick Grayson. Her death in Cry For Justice just reeked of Joe Quesada-esque "lets make Roy cool again by getting rid of the stuff that makes him look old" style of writing, removing one of the more interesting dynamics of Roy Harper's character: Being a single father struggling between his life as a superhero as well as being there for his young daughter. There was even a parallel in the fact that after losing Lian, Roy falls back into his old heroin habit before getting his ass kicked by Dick and then proceeding to become a cliche NinetiesAntiHero, essentially a DarkerAndEdgier form of how Peter Parker became a womanizing grown man living in his aunt's basement having multiple one-night-stands after OneMoreDay.

* Regu: The more and more this troper thinks about it, the death of The Human Bomb in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' becomes one. It was absolutely cruel, as Bizarro just kept bashing his head in. It gets even worse when you consider that he's an old man, being murdered by someone who is essentially a child. Other than that, it was an unsatisfying end to a great man and a great character.

** And now the New Gods have been ruined. Making human characters darker and edgier may make them more interesting, but when you do it to paragons it just reeks of market research. What made Darkseid stand out in the original ''4th World'' series was that everything around him was so much lighter and softer. When you take away the lightness, Darkseid doesn't seem like such a big deal.

** Batman then pulls the exact same move by threatening to tell the Joker that he knows his real name, yet this is later revealed to be a bluff as the Joker's profile on the Bat-computer has "Name Unknown" on it. What's more, Batman reveals that at some point he actually talked to the Joker as Bruce Wayne. Did it not occur to him that there might be consequences? This is all just to show us that in the end the Joker doesn't really care who Batman really is, contradicting a plot that's been spanning 6 whole months and several titles.

* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: [[Comicbook/TheFlash Wally West]] finally makes his {{New 52}} debut. Quite possibly the most anticipated (let alone requested) debut in DC since it started. What we got is basically [[AngryBlackMan a black kid who already has a criminal record]] (And yes, I said kid, as he's no longer a young adult like [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]]) with neither of his parents anywhere in sight. So not only has Wally been retconned out of his own generation, but now he's more or less a stereotypical black kid who grew up in the 'hood! UnfortunateImplications doesn't even begin to describe this. I'm really hoping that the New52 is going to have their own [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] and soon. The sooner we can get rid of this walking stereotype and get the real Wally West back, the better.

* @/{{Jonn}}: I'm not sure which of the many TakeThat[=s=] in ComicBook/TheAuthority was the DMS for me, but I managed to narrow it down to two candidates. One was when the team does a little... international intervention, after which when Hawksmoor blows off President UsefulNotes/BillClinton[='=]s concerns about reprisals against the United States of America. His response is that the team isn't actually American, and the bad guys would just have to come after them. Because we all know how logical terrorist groups tend to be about such things. Also note that the team is question is mostly American. In fact, it's slightly lower, proportionately, than the usual lineup of the JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, which the remark was a TakeThat at. (Wonder Woman: Greek. Aquaman: Atlantean. Martian Manhunter: Martian. Superman is Kryptonian, though he's basically a naturalized American.) And behind him in the camera pickup at the time is a bunch of people wandering in and out of the party they happen to be having at the time, offscreen, in various states of dress and sobriety.

* Regu: The more and more this troper thinks about it, The death of The Human Bomb in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' becomes one. It was absolutely cruel, as Bizarro just kept bashing his head in. It gets even worse when you consider that he's an old man, being murdered by someone who is essentially a child. Other than that, it was an unsatisfying end to a great man and a great character.

* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: [[Comicbook/TheFlash Wally West]] finally makes his {{New 52}} debut. Quite possibly the most anticipated (let alone requested) debut in DC since it started. What we got is basically [[AngryBlackMan a black kid who already has a criminal record]] (And yes, I said kid, as he's no longer a young adult like [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]]) with neither of his parents anywhere in sight. So not only has Wally been retconned out of his own generation, but now he's more or less a stereotypical black kid who grew up in the 'hood! UnfortunateImplications doesn't even begin to describe this. I'm really hoping that the New52 is going to have their own [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] and soon. The sooner we can get rid of this walking stereotype and get the real Wally West back, the better.

* Tropers/{{LLSmoothJ}}: [[Comicbook/TheFlash Wally West]] finally makes his {{New 52}} debut. Quite possibly the most anticipated (let alone requested) debut in DC since it started. What we get is basically [[AngryBlackMan a black kid who already has a criminal record]] (And yes, I said kid, as he's no longer a young adult like [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]]) with neither of his parents anywhere in sight. So not only has Wally been retconned out of his own generation, but now he's more or less a stereotypical black kid who grew up in the 'hood! UnfortunateImplications doesn't even begin to describe this. I'm really hoping that the New52 is going to have their own [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths Crisis]] and soon. The sooner we can get rid of this walking stereotype and get the real Wally West back, the better.

* {{Tropes/Asger}}: To be honest I wish I could count the entire New52 idea thing DC's doing as a dethroning moment of suck, but if I had to be specific I'd say the idea of hooking up Superman and WonderWoman is the ultimate low-point. I mean seriously, the characters of Clark Kent and Diana Prince are so far apart from each other in terms of personality it's not even funny, a relationship between the two would barely last a month. Clark is a nice guy farm boy, and Diana is a warrior princess. Yet here they are, being touted as the new power couple to grab attention. In elseworlds stories the thing that annoys me most it's when the writers throw Lois Lane off a bridge just for this stupid pairing, and now the morons at DC just went and made it canon. Nice going DC, keep on grabbing plot ideas from 15 year old girls.

* @/{{Jonn}}: I'm not sure which of the many TakeThat[=s=] in ComicBook/TheAuthority was the DMS for me, but I managed to narrow it down to two candidates. One was when the team does a little... international intervention, after which when Hawksmoor blows off President BillClinton's concerns about reprisals against the United States of America. His response is that the team isn't actually American, and the bad guys would just have to come after them. Because we all know how logical terrorist groups tend to be about such things. Also note that the team is question is mostly American. In fact, it's slightly lower, proportionately, than the usual lineup of the JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, which the remark was a TakeThat at. (Wonder Woman: Greek. Aquaman: Atlantean. Martian Manhunter: Martian. Superman is Kryptonian, though he's basically a naturalized American.) And behind him in the camera pickup at the time is a bunch of people wandering in and out of the party they happen to be having at the time, offscreen, in various states of dress and sobriety.

* Tropers/{{Cannotrememberpasswords}}: ''[[ComicBook/RobinSeries Robin]] #150.'' No amount of editorial mandate can justify its, and its followers', spontaneous transformation of Cassandra Cain, who once dodged bullets at point-blank range for fun, and preached the value of not killing while bleeding to death, into a stereotypical sociopathic DragonLady [[UnfortunateImplications who was basically her mother]] minus all the competence (she gets beaten by random punching and kicking from one of the weaker martial artists in the Bat-family). Also, she somehow knew Navajo code, one of the hardest languages on the entire planet, despite last having been struggling with English. Even if it was RetConned into being mind-control drugs, the damage to the character's entire personality proved nearly fatal.
** Tropers/{{XSpectreGreyX}}: I'd have to agree. From the entire thing being massively out-of-character for Cassandra to the writer just plain not doing his research, the entire thing is awful. His comment about being happy that people care about the character makes it even worse. Of course we care, you idiot! We wouldn't follow the character otherwise! And then DC gives him writing assignments with Cass so he can try to "fix" the character. Truly, this ruined Cassandra Cain's character. She was a unique, interesting character, and of course, DC can't have that! While the Retcon at least makes it so it's not her choice to do these actions, it still screwed over her character. Truly, this is the worst FaceHeelTurn in the history of comics. The character deserved better. After the reboot, I have no idea what the fuck is up with Cass's character. It seems like editors just hate any Batgirl that isn't Barbara Gordon; that's the only way this could've gotten through the editors.

** Tropers/{{Zordboy}}: "[[CryForJustice Cry for Justice]]" itself belongs on this page, being mind-numbingly horrible from start to finish. Between artwork that made it look like DC's major characters bled with sparkly pink confetti, a lettering style that made it look like the series was titled "Gay for Justice", and characterisation that involved Hal Jordan joking around with Green Arrow about a threesome he'd once had with two female superheroes (both of whom would never have anything to do with Hal under normal circumstances) - and that was from page one of issue one. All we can really hope is that, at some point in the future, a Crisis shows up and takes it all away.
*** Tropers/{{GetterKaizer}}: Well not a threesome per se because it was explained in a Birds of Prey comic that Hal was drunk out of his ass and passed out in front of those two female superheroes. Still does not save the comic from sucking though.
*** Tropers/SickBritKid: This troper was pissed enough by the entirety of Cry for Justice, but the moment that murdered comics forever for this troper was the death of Lian Harper. Much like Linkara, one of this troper's favorite comic series is the Titans. Lian's presence helped humanize her father, Arsenal, as well as provide a likeable character that had good potential to develop into a good character down the line, herself, much like Roy and Dick Grayson. Her death in Cry For Justice just reeked of Joe Quesada-esque "lets make Roy cool again by getting rid of the stuff that makes him look old" style of writing, removing one of the more interesting dynamics of Roy Harper's character: Being a single father struggling between his life as a superhero as well as being there for his young daughter. There was even a parallel in the fact that after losing Lian, Roy falls back into his old heroin habit before getting his ass kicked by Dick and then proceeding to become a cliche NinetiesAntiHero, essentially a DarkerAndEdgier form of how Peter Parker became a womanizing grown man living in his aunt's basement having multiple one-night-stands after OneMoreDay.

** Tork: For this troper, the worst of the Authority is Seth, a very, very mean-spirited TakeThat at the American South. Seth is essentially every DeepSouth stereotype distilled into a crazed hillbilly-turned-cyborg-alligator, a borderline retarded psychopath. In particular, he's the product of a gangbang between his mom and her eight brothers. The Authority deals with him by turning him into a chicken and leaving him with his uncle-dads who promptly rape him and all the other chickens.

* [=InTheGallbladder=]: Issue #1 of ComicBook/{{Red Hood and the Outlaws}} gave Starfire the mother of all bad (re)introductions. Throughout the whole thing, she acts like a pre-teen sex fantasy. [[FlatCharacter No focus is placed on any other aspects of her character.]] I loved the WesternAnimation/TeenTitans cartoon as a kid, and Star was one of my biggest reasons for it. The portrayal I saw in that comic lacked not only all the traits I knew her for, but seemingly any traits to speak of. I've heard claims that later issues rectify this, but I've already been insulted enough, thank you.
** aldo512: Speaking of Red Hood, the reveal of Crux's motivation was unbelievably stupid. For those who don't know, his motivation is, when he was young, a Tamaranian ship crashed and killed his parents, leading him towards [[FantasticRacism his hatred of aliens and Tamaranians in general.]] That's it. His entire motivation, his reason for believing all aliens are evil, is because ONE alien had an accident while flying and his family just happened to be there. This is the equivalent of seeing your family die in a plane crash and deciding to kill every pilot in the world as revenge. The worst part? This is presented completely straight. Crux's motivations are never called into question, he never considers the idea that it could have been an accident, hell, [[YouKeepUsingThatWord the very next issue has the gall to refer to it as a murder when it's not]]. If it's anything, it would be considered manslaughter, unless the war ship somehow lacked the weapons to kill two humans without crashing.

* k9feline5: I was a fan of Creator/DCComics for about 20 years, from 1985-2005. My all-time favorite series was JusticeLeagueInternational, and my favorite character from that series was ComicBook/BlueBeetle (Ted Kord) (many of you can now probably guess where I'm going here with this). The issue that made me quit DC altogether was ''Countdown To ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. There's nothing about this worthless, poorly written piece of crap that I don't despise. There's the superheroes [[IdiotBall who don't try very hard to investigate the theft of 100 pounds of kryptonite because a lowly "second stringer" called it in]], the snotty, dismissive attitude of most of these [[DesignatedHero "heroes"]] towards Ted, the fact that the only heroes who treat Ted with any modicum of respect barely knew him while the ones he had a history with are the snottiest of the bunch, the way Ted gives internal monologues about [[InformedAbility how "awesome" these heroes are at the same time they're treating him like crap]] making Ted look like a masochist so even Ted doesn't look good here (no, [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], this isn't even faintly the "greatest Ted Kord story ever told"), his pointless death, the fact he's getting killed by his old JLI friend Maxwell Lord (not that you could tell they were ever friends from this issue), and the way Max reveals he's been EvilAllAlong, which contradicts words, deeds, and even thoughts recorded of Max in those JLI issues. But there's one moment that's worse than all of this, that's a DMoS for me not only for this issue, but for the entire DCU, a moment so bad it made me say ScrewThisImOuttaHere on a hobby I'd had for 20 years. It's where Max [[RetCon "reveals"]] that as part of his EvilPlan he'd been "Keeping the League ineffectual for years". The only League Max (and Ted) had ever been a regular part of was the JLI so either: 1) this was a very deliberate, intentional, mean-spirited TakeThat on the part of the writers at the JLI, or 2) the writers were idiots, too stupid to realize that's precisely what it came across as. This moment was so bad that it became the one part of this one-shot that DC has tried to correct, by instead saying that Max had more of a gradual FaceHeelTurn, but that still leaves a DCU without Ted, murdered by a friend it should have been completely OOC to murder him, so that every story since then involving JLI survivors will be about how evil Max was, and now the entire JLI history along with a lot of other good things has now been retconned out of existence by ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}, so, no, I don't regret my decision to quit DC.

* k9feline5: I was a fan of Creator/DCComics for about 20 years, from 1985-2005. My all-time favorite series was JusticeLeagueInternational, and my favorite character from that series was ComicBook/BlueBeetle (Ted Kord) (many of you can now probably guess where I'm going here with this). The issue that made me quit DC altogether was ''Countdown To ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. There's nothing about this worthless, poorly written piece of crap that I don't despise. There's the superheroes [[IdiotBall who don't try very hard to investigate the theft of 100 pounds of kryptonite because a lowly "second stringer" called it in]], the snotty, dismissive attitude of most of these [[DesignatedHero "heroes"]] towards Ted, the fact that the only heroes who treat Ted with any modicum of respect barely knew him while the ones he had a history with are the snottiest of the bunch, the way Ted gives internal monologues about [[InformedAbility how "awesome" these heroes are at the same time they're treating him like crap]] making Ted look like a masochist so even Ted doesn't look good here (no, [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], this isn't even faintly the "greatest Ted Kord story ever told"), his pointless death, the fact he's getting killed by his old JLI friend Maxwell Lord (not that you could tell they were ever friends from this issue), and the way Max reveals he's been EvilAllAlong, which contradicts words, deeds, and even thoughts recorded of Max in those JLI issues. But there's one moment that's worse than all of this, that's a DMoS for me not only for this issue, but for the entire DCU, a moment so bad it made me say ScrewThisImOuttaHere on a hobby I'd had for 20 years. It's where Max [[RetCon "reveals"]] that as part of his EvilPlan he'd been "Keeping the League ineffectual for years". The only League Max (and Ted) had ever been a regular part of was the JLI so either: 1) this was a very deliberate, intentional, mean-spirited TakeThat on the part of the writers at the JLI, or 2) the writers were idiots, too stupid to realize that's precisely what it came across as. This moment was so bad that it became the one part of this one-shot that DC has tried to correct, by instead saying that Max had more of a gradual FaceHeelTurn, but that still leaves a DCU without Ted, murdered by a friend it should have been completely OOC to murder him, so that every story since then involving JLI survivors will be about how evil Max was, and now the entire JLI history along with a lot of other good things has now been retconned out of existence by ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}, so, no, I don't regret my decision to quit DC.

* kensu: In ''{{Promethea}}'' it happens during the (first) journey through the Major Arcana of the tarot, when they get to the Star card. This is when it becomes obvious that Alan Moore isn't just spewing new-agey mystical nonsense, but actually believes what he's saying. This is when it goes from being a comic book to a religious tract, and it rapidly becomes unreadable.

** aldo512: Speaking of Red Hood, the reveal of Crux's motivation was unbelievably stupid. For those who don't know, his motivation is, when he was young, a Tamaranian ship crashed and killed his parents, leading him towards [[FantasticRacism his hatred of aliens and Tamaranians in general.]] That's it. His entire motivation, his reason for believing all aliens are evil, is because ONE alien had an accident while flying and his family just happened to be there. This is the equivalent of seeing your family die in a plane crash and deciding to kill every pilot in the world as revenge. The worst part? This is presented completely straight. Crux's motivations are never called into question, he never considers the idea that it could have been an accident, hell, [[YouKeepUsingThatWord the very next issue has the gall to refer to it as a murder when it's not]]. If it's anything, it would be considered manslaughter, unless the war ship somehow lacked the weapons to kill two humans without crashing.

** Tropers/Darkwing: Oh and let us not forget their attempt to make Deathstroke seem badass by beating up the Justice Leauge. Flash manages to impale himself on a sword. Flash has super reflexes and perception. But even worse is Green Lantern. Most powerful weapon in the universe. He decides to try punching Deathstroke and getting his fingers broken. This was Kyle Rayner, the guy who always made different constructs because he had so much imagination, and he didn't even put a suit of armor on first? If you want to make a villian look dangerous, don't have the heroes act like total idiots. That just makes everyone look bad.

* Little Red Hen: The Green Lantern story arc, ''Emerald Twilight'', in which the higher ups at DC & the Green Lantern editors outright tried to assassinate one of their oldest characters, Hal Jordan by making him evil to shock readers after the end of the status quo shakeups of "Death of Superman" and "Knightfall". And it wasn't that they ''just'' tried to get rid of Hal, but also all the Green Lantern Corps for one new guy. The true moment of suck, however, comes when reading the editor's columns in those #50, where they outright admitted they were doing it all because they thought Hal Jordan was "boring" and "it was too hard to tell stories about him". Give Geoff Johns some credit, he managed to prove that those editors & writers were just lazy.

** Tork: For this troper, the worst of the Authority is Seth, a very, very mean-spirited TakeThat at the American South. Seth is essentially every DeepSouth stereotype distilled into a crazed hillbilly-turned-cyborg-alligator, a borderline retarded psychopath. In particular, he's the product of a gangbang between his mom and her eight brothers. The Authority deals with him by turning him into a chicken and leaving him with his uncle-dads who promptly rape him and all the other chickens.

*** Tropers/SickBritKid: This troper was pissed enough by the entirety of Cry for Justice, but the moment that murdered comics forever for this troper was the death of Lian Harper. Much like Linkara, one of this troper's favorite comic series is the Titans. Lian's presence helped humanize her father, Arsenal, as well as provide a likeable character that had good potential to develop into a good character down the line, herself, much like Roy and Dick Grayson. Her death in Cry For Justice just reeked of Joe Quesada-esque "lets make Roy cool again by getting rid of the stuff that makes him look old" style of writing, removing one of the more interesting dynamics of Roy Harper's character: Being a single father struggling between his life as a superhero as well as being there for his young daughter. There was even a parallel in the fact that after losing Lian, Roy falls back into his old heroin habit before getting his ass kicked by Dick and then proceeding to become a cliche NinetiesAntiHero, essentially a DarkerAndEdgier form of how Peter Parker became a womanizing grown man living in his aunt's basement having multiple one-night-stands after OneMoreDay.

** Tropers/{{XSpectreGreyX}}: I'd have to agree. From the entire thing being massively out-of-character for Cassandra to the writer just plain not doing his research, the entire thing is awful. His comment about being happy that people care about the character makes it even worse. Of course we care, you idiot! We wouldn't follow the character otherwise! And then DC gives him writing assignments with Cass so he can try to "fix" the character. Truly, this ruined Cassandra Cain's character. She was a unique, interesting character, and of course, DC can't have that! While the Retcon at least makes it so it's not her choice to do these actions, it still screwed over her character. Truly, this is the worst FaceHeelTurn in the history of comics. The character deserved better. After the reboot, I have no idea what the fuck is up with Cass's character. It seems like editors just hate any Batgirl that isn't Barbara Gordon; that's the only way this could've gotten through the editors.