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** It's been discovered recently his daughter, Nadia also has bipolar and most likely genetically inherited it from him.



** It was more recently revealed that Nadia was also bipolar, with suggestions it was passed down from him.

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* FatalFlaw: Hank's feelings of inadequacy, which caused seemingly every problem in his life outside of ComicBook/{{Ultron}}. Among other things, this led to him:

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* FatalFlaw: Hank's feelings of inadequacy, and later discovered he was bipolar, which caused seemingly every problem in his life outside of ComicBook/{{Ultron}}. Among other things, this led to him:


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* ReplacementLoveInterest: Hank's initial attraction to second wife Janet was because she bore a strong resemblance to his first wife Maria. Years later, Hank reflects that his attempt to have Janet take the role of Maria in his life was probably the cause for their relationship not working out.

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* ReplacementLoveInterest: ReplacementGoldfish: Hank's initial attraction to second wife Janet was because she bore a strong resemblance to his first wife Maria. Years later, Hank reflects that his attempt to have Janet take the role of Maria in his life was probably the cause for their relationship not working out.
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%%* ComedicSociopathy* ComedicSociopathy: Eric is a very selfish man, and he uses his superpowers to get what he wants at the expense of others.



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** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers



** And the cherry on top of that cake isthat Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]

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** And the cherry on top of that cake isthat is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]

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* DomesticAbuse: * DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer fan there is. Hank, during drug-induced mental breakdown back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.

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* DomesticAbuse: * DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer fan there is. Hank, during drug-induced mental breakdown back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.



** Bear in mind, that In the relationship between Hank and Janet Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, and she was a DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not to be a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank in a fit of schizophrenia created the Yellowjacket persona and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's Hank Pym and consent sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported the Yellowjacket identity nearly kill Jan after that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.an argument escalates into a full-on fight.
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Orwellion editing notwithstanding, it's a fact that Hank was not well, it's a fact that Jan knew this and took advantage of it, and it's a fact that doing so was emotionally abusive. Being in a bad mood on the other hand, could hardly be called such.
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* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers villain.
** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in the know, and that it was to throw the media.
** In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to nearly kill Jan after an argument escalates into a full-on fight.
** EarlyInstallmebytWeirdness: The very first Hank Pym story was a science fiction-horror story with no superheroics and wouldn't feel out of place in an episode of ''Series/{{The Twilight Zone|1959}}'' or ''Series/{{The Outer Limits|1963}}''. It wasn't until his second appearance where the concept was retooled into a superhero adventure story, with superhero comics undergoing a revival and the ComicBook/FantasticFour being a big enough hit from a year before that Marvel was ready to start branching out with other heroes and costumed adventurers.
* EngineeredHeroism: As Yellowjacket in Avengers #212, Pym unleashed a giant robot called Salvation I that only ''he'' could stop in an attempt to appear heroic in front of his fellow Avengers. When the actual incident happened, [[EpicFail he failed]], nearly got killed, and had to be saved by Janet.
* FatalFlaw: Hank's feelings of inadequacy, which caused seemingly every problem in his life outside of ComicBook/{{Ultron}}. Among other things, this led to him:
** Becoming Giant-Man after comparing himself to people like ComicBook/IronMan, ComicBook/TheMightyThor, and the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk. This gave him an increase in strength but made him clumsier and a much bigger target, as well as causing serious health risks if he grew beyond his limit.
** [[InsecureLoveInterest Not proposing to Janet when both of them were clearly interested in each other]], since he figured she'd be more interested in celebrities and millionaires as opposed to a scientist. This led to him developing a split personality and becoming Yellowjacket for the first time.
** Causing the breakdown of his marriage, as Jan's success and money coupled with his failures in science (most notably, Ultron) led to him becoming more bitter and angry towards her.
** Becoming desperate to prove himself as a meaningful member of the Avengers, which led to him attacking a super-villain after the conflict was resolved and being kicked out of the Avengers, as well as [[EngineeredHeroism creating Salvation-1]] to attack the Avengers so he could stop it.
** Very nearly outright committing suicide early during his run in the Avengers' [[ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers West Coast title]] while alone in their headquarters, when his body would no longer take the strain of changing size and he felt that without actual superpowers he'd just be TheLoad. Occasional guest heroine Firebird showed up just in time to talk him out of it.

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* DomesticAbuse: Hank, who developed the persona Yellowjacket during a mental breakdown, marries Janet but their initially-happy marriage quickly deteriorates and culminates in Hank slapping Janet hard enough to bruise her face. For this, he is booted off of The Avengers, he and Janet are divorced, and their superhero partnership is broken.
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: As seen in the opening description, the very first Hank Pym story was a science fiction-horror story with no superheroics and wouldn't feel out of place in an episode of ''Series/{{The Twilight Zone|1959}}'' or ''Series/{{The Outer Limits|1963}}''. It wasn't until his second appearance where the concept was retooled into a superhero adventure story, with superhero comics undergoing a revival and the ComicBook/FantasticFour being a big enough hit from a year before that Marvel was ready to start branching out with other heroes and costumed adventurers.

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* DomesticAbuse: * DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer fan there is. Hank, who developed the persona Yellowjacket during a drug-induced mental breakdown, marries breakdown back-hands Janet but their initially-happy marriage quickly deteriorates and culminates in Hank slapping Janet hard enough when she attempts to bruise her face. For this, he is booted off stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers, he Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and Janet are divorced, would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and their superhero partnership is broken.treat him as an outright wifebeater.
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: As seen ** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the opening description, script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers villain.
** And the cherry on top of that cake isthat Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in the following issues.know, and that it was to throw the media.
** Bear in mind, that In the relationship between Hank and Janet Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, and she was a DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not to be a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank in a fit of schizophrenia created the Yellowjacket persona and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's Hank Pym and consent sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported the Yellowjacket identity nearly kill Jan after that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.an argument escalates into a full-on fight.
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* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers villain.
** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in the know, and that it was to throw the media.
** In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to nearly kill Jan after an argument escalates into a full-on fight.
** EarlyInstallmebytWeirdness: The
very first Hank Pym story was a science fiction-horror story with no superheroics and wouldn't feel out of place in an episode of ''Series/{{The Twilight Zone|1959}}'' or ''Series/{{The Outer Limits|1963}}''. It wasn't until his second appearance where the concept was retooled into a superhero adventure story, with superhero comics undergoing a revival and the ComicBook/FantasticFour being a big enough hit from a year before that Marvel was ready to start branching out with other heroes and costumed adventurers.
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* DeaderThanDead: Presumably as of ''Infinity Countdown #5'' [[spoiler: Hank's soul was removed from [[FusionDance Pymtron's body]] by the Soul Stone. And then his soul ended up getting devoured by a beast within the Soul Stone.]]
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* ''VideoGame/LegoMarvelSuperheroes2'': Hank Pym plays a minor role in the main story as Giant-Man/Goliath (using the former's name and the latter's costume). A bonus level features Pym as both Ant-Man and Yellowjacket, and the Scott Lang Ant-Man can also be unlocked. DLC based on ''Ant-Man and the Wasp'' adds an additional level and the movie versions of Lang's Ant-Man and Giant-Man.

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* ''VideoGame/LegoMarvelSuperheroes2'': ''VideoGame/LegoMarvelSuperHeroes2'': Hank Pym plays a minor role in the main story as Giant-Man/Goliath (using the former's name and the latter's costume). A bonus level features Pym as both Ant-Man and Yellowjacket, and the Scott Lang Ant-Man can also be unlocked. DLC based on ''Ant-Man and the Wasp'' adds an additional level and the movie versions of Lang's Ant-Man and Giant-Man.
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* QuestionableConsent: Hank Pym married Janet during an emotional breakdown where he claimed the identity of Yellowjacket, a supervillain who claimed to kill "Hank". Janet knew all along that Yellowjacket was Hank, and that Hank in his normal state was too insecure to pop the question, but she married him while he was in this altered state, and while Hank was happy to be married to her when he snapped back, later writers, such as Kurt Busiek, have him and Janet discuss how messed up it was for her to marry him in that situation (though granted that Yellowjacket kidnapped her, it was also Janet trying to calm him in that state).

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* QuestionableConsent: Hank Pym married Janet during an emotional breakdown where he claimed the identity of Yellowjacket, a supervillain who claimed to kill "Hank". Janet knew all along that Yellowjacket was Hank, and that Hank in his normal state was too insecure to pop the question, but she married him while he was in this altered state, and while state. While Hank was happy to be married to her when he snapped back, later writers, such as Kurt Busiek, have him and Janet discuss how messed up it was for her to marry him in that situation (though granted that Yellowjacket kidnapped her, it was also Janet trying to calm him in that state). situation.

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* DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest: His initial attraction for Janet was because she bore a strong resemblance to his first wife Maria. Years later, Hank reflects that his attempt to have Janet take the role of Maria in his life was probably the cause for their relationship not working out.



* ReplacementLoveInterest: Janet van Dyne was a dead ringer for Hank's dead wife, Maria.

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* ReplacementLoveInterest: Janet van Dyne was a dead ringer for Hank's dead wife, Maria.initial attraction to second wife Janet was because she bore a strong resemblance to his first wife Maria. Years later, Hank reflects that his attempt to have Janet take the role of Maria in his life was probably the cause for their relationship not working out.

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* NeverLiveItDown: He provides the picture for the comics page, slapping his wife Janet/The Wasp. To this day, Hank is still (falsely) accused of being a "wifebeater" and people that don't read comics frequently claim that he's a repeat offender. In actuality, he hit Janet only once (in what was supposed to be an accident) while he was in the midst of a mental breakdown largely caused by Jan's emotional abuse. The way people both in-universe and out talk about the incident, you'd think he'd been beating her since the day they met.

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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
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He provides the picture for the comics page, slapping his wife Janet/The Wasp. To this day, Hank is still (falsely) accused of being a "wifebeater" and people that don't read comics frequently claim that he's a repeat offender. In actuality, he hit Janet only once (in what was supposed to be an accident) while he was in the midst of a mental breakdown largely caused by Jan's emotional abuse. breakdown. The way people both in-universe and out talk about the incident, you'd think he'd been beating her since the day they met.met, or that all his relationships are like that, when his first marriage was perfectly happy.
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* TheMasochismTango: His relationship with Janet was this long before they got divorced. Janet was far younger than Hank and was a DoppelgängerReplacementLoveInterest who resembled his first wife, Dr. Maria Trovaya. Personality wise, Janet was an extroverted socialite interested in fashion and invested in being a public superhero. She was often playful and flirty with her fellow male team-mates and insensitive to Hank. Hank was introverted and insecure, preferred staying in the laboratory and rarely communicated openly to her. This in part led to his breakdown as a "bad-boy" Yellowjacket. Janet consented to marry him in this state knowing that he was normally too shy to do it despite both of them wanting to. While Janet believed she was helping Hank, he would backbite and hurt her emotionally during their marriage until the incident when he slapped her led her to call it quits.

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* TheMasochismTango: His relationship with Janet was this long before they got divorced. Janet was far younger than Hank and was a DoppelgängerReplacementLoveInterest ReplacementGoldfish who resembled his first wife, Dr. Maria Trovaya. Personality wise, Janet was an extroverted socialite interested in fashion and invested in being a public superhero. She was often playful and flirty with her fellow male team-mates and insensitive to Hank. Hank was introverted and insecure, preferred staying in the laboratory and rarely communicated openly to her. This in part led to his breakdown as a "bad-boy" Yellowjacket. Janet consented to marry him in this state knowing that he was normally too shy to do it despite both of them wanting to. While Janet believed she was helping Hank, he would backbite and hurt her emotionally during their marriage until the incident when he slapped her led her to call it quits.
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* HappilyMarried: He and his first wife, Dr. Maria Trovaya, were happy together until her death. His relationship with Janet had happy moments but was not as unfulfilling.

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* HappilyMarried: He and his first wife, Dr. Maria Trovaya, were happy together until her death. His relationship with Janet had happy moments but was not as unfulfilling.
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* TheMasochismTango: His relationship with Janet was this long before they got divorced. Janet was far younger than Hank and was a DoppelgängerReplacementLoveInterest who resembled his first wife, Dr. Maria Trovaya. Personality wise, Janet was an extroverted socialite interested in fashion and invested in being a public superhero. She was often playful and flirty with her fellow male team-mates and insensitive to Hank. Hank was introverted and insecure, preferred staying in the laboratory and rarely communicated openly to her. This in part led to his breakdown as a "bad-boy" Yellowjacket. Janet consented to marry him in this state knowing that he was normally too shy to do it despite both of them wanting to. While Janet believed she was helping Hank, he would backbite and hurt her emotionally during their marriage until the incident when he slapped her led her to call it quits.


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* QuestionableConsent: Hank Pym married Janet during an emotional breakdown where he claimed the identity of Yellowjacket, a supervillain who claimed to kill "Hank". Janet knew all along that Yellowjacket was Hank, and that Hank in his normal state was too insecure to pop the question, but she married him while he was in this altered state, and while Hank was happy to be married to her when he snapped back, later writers, such as Kurt Busiek, have him and Janet discuss how messed up it was for her to marry him in that situation (though granted that Yellowjacket kidnapped her, it was also Janet trying to calm him in that state).

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* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers villain.
** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in the know, and that it was to throw the media.
** In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to nearly kill Jan after an argument escalates into a full-on fight.

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* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, who developed the persona Yellowjacket during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands marries Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture,
but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers villain.
** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into
their initially-happy marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that quickly deteriorates and culminates in Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, slapping Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by hard enough to bruise her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted face. For this, he is booted off of The Avengers, he and Janet are divorced, and their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story
superhero partnership is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in the know, and that it was to throw the media.
** In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to nearly kill Jan after an argument escalates into a full-on fight.
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* DomesticAbuse: * DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.

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* DomesticAbuse: * DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.

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Orwellion editing notwithstanding, it's a fact that Hank was not well, it's a fact that Jan knew this and took advantage of it, and it's a fact that doing so was emotionally abusive. Being in a bad mood on the other hand, could hardly be called such.


* DomesticAbuse: His relationship with Janet in their final days of the marriage:
** In Avengers #211-212, Hank Pym and Janet are shown having a very strained marriage, with Janet being devoted to Hank, while he instead sulks and acts distant to her, backbites and insults her and acts in a way that is emotionally abusive certainly. During a mission, Yellowjacket goes LeeroyJenkins and nearly causes a catastrophe killing everyone, leading him to be brought to court martial. In response, Pym goes and builds a robot to stage an engineered heroic and when Janet confronted him, he struck her. And while Yellowjacket was in a nervous breakdown, he didn't apologize or react in shock when he did this (unlike Peter Parker in a similar incident during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'') and he forced Janet to go along with his scheme which she weakly says yes to. In the actual Court Martial, Janet shows up wearing glasses to cover her black-eye, which she takes off to {{Facepalm}} when Hank in response to Captain America's charges, instead accuses Cap of being a pervert which the other Avengers are all aghast by (Tony Stark who was sympathetic to Hank merely says, "Hank for the love of god, stop!"). The other Avengers on seeing Janet's face are aghast and later Hank's robot scheme backfires nearly killing him until Janet saves the day.
** According to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her but the artist Bob Hall disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. The actual comic does indeed treat this act as domestic abuse, and Hank shows no remorse or apology for doing this by accident, and the other Avengers react in shock on seeing Janet's black-eye which she sports for several pages in the following issues.
** Bear in mind, that the relationship between Hank and Janet Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, and she was a DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not to be a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank in a fit of schizophrenia created the Yellowjacket persona and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that he's Hank Pym and consent to marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported the Yellowjacket identity after that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.

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* DomesticAbuse: His relationship with Janet in their final days of the marriage:
** In Avengers #211-212, Hank Pym and Janet are shown having a very strained marriage, with Janet being devoted to Hank, while he instead sulks and acts distant to her, backbites and insults her and acts in a way that is emotionally abusive certainly. During a mission, Yellowjacket goes LeeroyJenkins and
* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly causes a catastrophe killing everyone, leading him to be brought to court martial. In response, Pym goes every comic writer and builds fan there is. Hank, during a robot to stage an engineered heroic and when Janet confronted him, he struck her. And while Yellowjacket was in a nervous drug-induced mental breakdown, he didn't apologize or react in shock when he did this (unlike Peter Parker in a similar incident during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'') and he forced back-hands Janet to go along with his scheme which she weakly says yes to. In the actual Court Martial, Janet shows up wearing glasses to cover her black-eye, which she takes off to {{Facepalm}} when Hank in response she attempts to Captain America's charges, instead accuses Cap stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being a pervert which "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the other same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an
Avengers are all aghast by (Tony Stark who was sympathetic to Hank merely says, "Hank for the love of god, stop!"). The other Avengers on seeing Janet's face are aghast and later Hank's robot scheme backfires nearly killing him until Janet saves the day.villain.
** According to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently And the writer had directed in the script cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her but the artist Bob Hall disobeyed as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making into marriage with her, with it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. The actual comic does indeed treat this act as domestic abuse, and Hank shows no remorse or apology for doing this by accident, and the other Avengers react in shock on seeing Janet's black-eye which she sports for even being mentioned several pages times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]]
in the following issues.know, and that it was to throw the media.
** Bear in mind, that In the relationship between Hank and Janet Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, and she was a DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not to be a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank in a fit of schizophrenia created the Yellowjacket persona and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's Hank Pym and consent sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported the Yellowjacket identity nearly kill Jan after that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.an argument escalates into a full-on fight.

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Deleted without reason given...bring this to discussion if you have to. I specifically discussed actual scenes, dialogues and panels, and story beats...to defend my reasons and in response this poster ignored that entirely to whitewash or diminish Hank's culpability.


* DomesticAbuse: * DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers villain.
** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in the know, and that it was to throw the media.
** In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, he's sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as to nearly kill Jan after an argument escalates into a full-on fight.

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* DomesticAbuse: * DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by His relationship with Janet in their final days of the marriage:
** In Avengers #211-212, Hank Pym and Janet are shown having a very strained marriage, with Janet being devoted to Hank, while he instead sulks and acts distant to her, backbites and insults her and acts in a way that is emotionally abusive certainly. During a mission, Yellowjacket goes LeeroyJenkins and
nearly every comic writer causes a catastrophe killing everyone, leading him to be brought to court martial. In response, Pym goes and fan there is. Hank, during builds a drug-induced mental robot to stage an engineered heroic and when Janet confronted him, he struck her. And while Yellowjacket was in a nervous breakdown, back-hands he didn't apologize or react in shock when he did this (unlike Peter Parker in a similar incident during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'') and he forced Janet to go along with his scheme which she weakly says yes to. In the actual Court Martial, Janet shows up wearing glasses to cover her black-eye, which she takes off to {{Facepalm}} when she attempts Hank in response to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives Captain America's charges, instead accuses Cap of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done a pervert which the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an
other Avengers villain.are all aghast by (Tony Stark who was sympathetic to Hank merely says, "Hank for the love of god, stop!"). The other Avengers on seeing Janet's face are aghast and later Hank's robot scheme backfires nearly killing him until Janet saves the day.
** And According to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the cherry on top of writer had directed in the script that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her but the artist Bob Hall disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. The actual comic does indeed treat this act as domestic abuse, and Hank shows no remorse or apology for doing this by accident, and the other Avengers react in shock on seeing Janet's black-eye which she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned sports for several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]]
pages in the know, and that it was to throw the media.following issues.
** In Bear in mind, that the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel, relationship between Hank and Janet Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, and she was a DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not to be a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank in a fit of schizophrenia created the Yellowjacket persona and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that he's sadly portrayed as a particularly psychotic wife-beater, even going so far as Hank Pym and consent to nearly kill Jan marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported the Yellowjacket identity after an argument escalates into a full-on fight.that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.

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* DomesticAbuse: His relationship with Janet in their final days of the marriage:
** In Avengers #211-212, Hank Pym and Janet are shown having a very strained marriage, with Janet being devoted to Hank, while he instead sulks and acts distant to her, backbites and insults her and acts in a way that is emotionally abusive certainly. During a mission, Yellowjacket goes LeeroyJenkins and nearly causes a catastrophe killing everyone, leading him to be brought to court martial. In response, Pym goes and builds a robot to stage an engineered heroic and when Janet confronted him, he struck her. And while Yellowjacket was in a nervous breakdown, he didn't apologize or react in shock when he did this (unlike Peter Parker in a similar incident during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'') and he forced Janet to go along with his scheme which she weakly says yes to. In the actual Court Martial, Janet shows up wearing glasses to cover her black-eye, which she takes off to {{Facepalm}} when Hank in response to Captain America's charges, instead accuses Cap of being a pervert which the other Avengers are all aghast by (Tony Stark who was sympathetic to Hank merely says, "Hank for the love of god, stop!"). The other Avengers on seeing Janet's face are aghast and later Hank's robot scheme backfires nearly killing him until Janet saves the day.
** According to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her but the artist Bob Hall disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. The actual comic does indeed treat this act as domestic abuse, and Hank shows no remorse or apology for doing this by accident, and the other Avengers react in shock on seeing Janet's black-eye which she sports for several pages in the following issues.
** Bear in mind, that the relationship between Hank and Janet Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, and she was a DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not to be a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank in a fit of schizophrenia created the Yellowjacket persona and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that he's Hank Pym and consent to marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported the Yellowjacket identity after that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.

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* DomesticAbuse: His relationship with Janet in their final days of the marriage:
** In Avengers #211-212, Hank Pym and Janet are shown having a very strained marriage, with Janet being devoted to Hank, while he instead sulks and acts distant to her, backbites and insults her and acts in a way that is emotionally abusive certainly. During a mission, Yellowjacket goes LeeroyJenkins and
* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly causes a catastrophe killing everyone, leading him to be brought to court martial. In response, Pym goes every comic writer and builds fan there is. Hank, during a robot to stage an engineered heroic and when Janet confronted him, he struck her. And while Yellowjacket was in a nervous drug-induced mental breakdown, he didn't apologize or react in shock when he did this (unlike Peter Parker in a similar incident during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'') and he forced back-hands Janet to go along with his scheme which she weakly says yes to. In the actual Court Martial, Janet shows up wearing glasses to cover her black-eye, which she takes off to {{Facepalm}} when Hank in response she attempts to Captain America's charges, instead accuses Cap stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being a pervert which "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the other same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an
Avengers are all aghast by (Tony Stark who was sympathetic to Hank merely says, "Hank for the love of god, stop!"). The other Avengers on seeing Janet's face are aghast and later Hank's robot scheme backfires nearly killing him until Janet saves the day.villain.
** According to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently And the writer had directed in the script cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her but the artist Bob Hall disobeyed as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making into marriage with her, with it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. The actual comic does indeed treat this act as domestic abuse, and Hank shows no remorse or apology for doing this by accident, and the other Avengers react in shock on seeing Janet's black-eye which she sports for even being mentioned several pages in the following issues.
** Bear in mind,
times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship between and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was
Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and she was sympathetic character.
*** And
a DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in a fit of schizophrenia created the Yellowjacket persona know, and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that he's Hank Pym and consent it was to marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported throw the Yellowjacket identity after that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.media.

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O'Grady quickly made a name for himself as [[HateSink the most hated superhero in the Marvel Universe]], earning the ire of just about every respectable superhero (and villain) which he met. Despite this, O'Grady just rolled with the punches, and managed to land a spot on a number of super-teams, including the [[Comicbook/AvengersTheInitiative Initiative]], Cap's Comicbook/SecretAvengers, and the Comicbook/{{Thunderbolts}}.

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O'Grady quickly made a name for himself as [[HateSink the most hated superhero in the Marvel Universe]], earning the ire of just about every respectable superhero (and villain) which he met. Despite this, O'Grady just rolled with the punches, and managed to land a spot on a number of super-teams, including the [[Comicbook/AvengersTheInitiative Initiative]], Cap's Comicbook/SecretAvengers, and the Comicbook/{{Thunderbolts}}. However, this didn't last, and Eric wound up getting killed and replaced by an LMD... who, just to add insult to fatal injury, continued lowering Eric's name by acting exactly as he would, taking on the name of ''Black Ant''.



* ButtMonkey: Has become kind of a RunningGag both in and out of the comics, though it's technically not really deserved considering it stemmed from maybe two bad judgment calls on Pym's part at the most.

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* ButtMonkey: ButtMonkey:
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Has become kind of a RunningGag both in and out of the comics, though it's technically not really deserved considering it stemmed from maybe two bad judgment calls on Pym's part at the most.most.
** At one point, Hank got abducted and replaced by Skrulls. Due to their method of infiltration, the Skrulls replacing him (yes, plural, there's a reason) inherit Hank's mental issues, and their superiors refuse to listen to them and their warnings that the Skrulls aren't going to win simply because they look like Hank Pym.



* FusionDance: [[spoiler:Hank and Ultron fuse into one being during Rage of Ultron. At first, Ultron's mind is dominant over Pym's, but Starfox forces the more human side to wake up.]]

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* FusionDance: [[spoiler:Hank and Ultron fuse into one being during Rage ''Rage of Ultron.Ultron''. At first, Ultron's mind is dominant over Pym's, but Starfox forces the more human side to wake up. However, all later appearances have Ultron in the driver's seat.]]



* KilledOffForReal: In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, during ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}''



--> '''Hank''': "I did a pretty good job of screwing up my life recently. You just about finished the job for me! You used me, egghead...and you tried to make me a criminal! But you couldn't, you see. I've come to terms with myself in the past month. I know who I am, and who I'm not! I'm not Ant-Man anymore, I'm not Giant-Man...or Goliath...or Yellow-Jacket! I am Henry Pym! And it was Henry Pym who beat the Masters of Evil!"

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--> '''Hank''': "I I did a pretty good job of screwing up my life recently. You just about finished the job for me! You used me, egghead...and you tried to make me a criminal! But you couldn't, you see. I've come to terms with myself in the past month. I know who I am, and who I'm not! I'm not Ant-Man anymore, I'm not Giant-Man...or Goliath...or Yellow-Jacket! I am Henry Pym! And it was Henry Pym who beat the Masters of Evil!"Evil!



* YankTheDogsChain: In ''Infinity Countdown'', Pymtron touches the Soul Stone, dragging part of Hank into the Soul World. He refuses to accept he's stuck there, and finagles a way back to the real world, apparently succeeding... [[spoiler:Nope, he hasn't. A demon in the Soul World is messing with his head. Then it eats him.]]



* ButtMonkey: After coming back from the dead, or more specifically after his time in ''FF'', Scott becomes a barely functional doofus who endangers everyone around him through his own thoughtlessness and stupidity.



* InsistentTerminology: During Geoff John's Avengers run, Scott keeps repeating that he's not ''really'' an Avenger, he's just helping them. No-one listens.

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* InsistentTerminology: During Geoff John's Avengers run, Scott keeps repeating that he's not ''really'' an Avenger, he's just helping them. No-one listens. Eventually, a judge asks him just how often the Avengers have a problem they need help with.



* TheAtoner: The reason why he's in the Secret Avengers now. That, and [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve Rogers]] decided to give him a second chance.

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* TheAtoner: The reason why he's in he joined the Secret Avengers now.Avengers. That, and [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve Rogers]] decided to give him a second chance.



* EstablishingCharacterMoment: The first time he appears, he smashes Hank Pym (well, [[spoiler:a skrull replacing Hank Pym]]) in the face with a rifle, when he's supposed to be ''guarding'' him, because he was jumpy.
* EveryoneHasStandards: Despite his long list of disreputable traits and general awfulness, Eric was horrified by Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts, and was looking for any opportunity to get out.



* OddFriendship: Struck up one with Taskmaster during their time at Camp Hammond, starting when they both decide to sit out KIA's rampage and watch ''Chuck'' on Eric's [=iPod=].



* ShoutOut: To ‘’Franchise/Batman’’ When Eric was hiding inside MsMarvel purse he mentioned all the cool stuff she must have at her lair like a dinosaur or a giant penny

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* RealityEnsues: During ''World War Hulk'', Eric - an otherwise ordinary human in powered armor - gets between Hulk and Iron Man's fight. He's badly injured.
* ShoutOut: To ‘’Franchise/Batman’’ When Eric was hiding inside MsMarvel Ms Marvel's purse he mentioned all the cool stuff she must have at her lair like a dinosaur or a giant penny

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The previous entry is written by people who haven't read the comic. Hank's behavior was pretty lousy...


* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by nearly every comic writer and fan there is. Hank, during a drug-induced mental breakdown, back-hands Janet when she attempts to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an Avengers villain.
** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.
*** And a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] in the know, and that it was to throw the media.

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* DomesticAbuse: No, but colored as such by His relationship with Janet in their final days of the marriage:
** In Avengers #211-212, Hank Pym and Janet are shown having a very strained marriage, with Janet being devoted to Hank, while he instead sulks and acts distant to her, backbites and insults her and acts in a way that is emotionally abusive certainly. During a mission, Yellowjacket goes LeeroyJenkins and
nearly every comic writer causes a catastrophe killing everyone, leading him to be brought to court martial. In response, Pym goes and fan there is. Hank, during builds a drug-induced mental robot to stage an engineered heroic and when Janet confronted him, he struck her. And while Yellowjacket was in a nervous breakdown, back-hands he didn't apologize or react in shock when he did this (unlike Peter Parker in a similar incident during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'') and he forced Janet to go along with his scheme which she weakly says yes to. In the actual Court Martial, Janet shows up wearing glasses to cover her black-eye, which she takes off to {{Facepalm}} when she attempts Hank in response to stop him from an insane plan that would risk the lives Captain America's charges, instead accuses Cap of The Avengers. Key words being "drug-induced mental breakdown". He clearly wasn't in his right mind by any means and would have done a pervert which the same to anyone who'd been in Jan's position. All later writers ignore these little details and treat him as an outright wifebeater.
** And according to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't even intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the writer had directed in the script that Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her while making a "I give the hell up, this is getting ridiculous" gesture, but that the artist disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. There is also a conflicting rumor that the moment was meant as a MoralEventHorizon, in an AbortedArc that would lead to Pym becoming an
other Avengers villain.are all aghast by (Tony Stark who was sympathetic to Hank merely says, "Hank for the love of god, stop!"). The other Avengers on seeing Janet's face are aghast and later Hank's robot scheme backfires nearly killing him until Janet saves the day.
** And According to Creator/JimShooter, it wasn't intended to be a deliberate hit. Apparently the cherry on top of writer had directed in the script that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, ''accidentally'' backhand her but the artist Bob Hall disobeyed him and picked the most dramatic possible interpretation of the script, making it look like he struck her in a fit of rage. The actual comic does indeed treat this act as domestic abuse, and Hank shows no remorse or apology for doing this by accident, and the other Avengers react in shock on seeing Janet's black-eye which she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned sports for several times pages in the following issues.
** Bear in mind,
that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's focus on science had halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was
between Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken Pym was never very healthy. Janet was several years younger than Hank, and sympathetic character.
*** And
she was a Second Retcon by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis where it said DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest for his first wife. Janet was very much an extrovert, whereas Hank Pym was aloof and tended not to be an elaborate [[http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBQp75HknI/AAAAAAAAQG0/UO4-wSqvMec/s1600/scan0007.jpg PR]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVWlAOxI/AAAAAAAAQGs/8wlqbfYFsM0/s1600/scan0004.jpg stunt]] [[http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVMAo0ZI/AAAAAAAAQGk/L6gP1bMR68E/s1600/scan0005.jpg with]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kxF371gMSro/TQBPVI1hcjI/AAAAAAAAQGc/EVsIiEAr1hs/s1600/scan0006.jpg everyone]] a people person. Their marriage happened when Hank in a fit of schizophrenia created the know, Yellowjacket persona and kidnapped Janet and claimed to kill Hank Pym, only for Janet to catch on that it was he's Hank Pym and consent to throw marrying him, and then getting married while he's in that addled state. Since Hank created Yellowjacket because he believed Janet wouldn't like him or say yes, he and Janet remained married and he still sported the media.Yellowjacket identity after that, carrying across many of the same crippling issues of insecurity that he had before the relationship.



* EngineeredHeroism: As Yellowjacket, Pym unleashed a giant robot called Salvation I that only ''he'' could stop in an attempt to appear heroic in front of his fellow Avengers.

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* EngineeredHeroism: As Yellowjacket, Yellowjacket in Avengers #212, Pym unleashed a giant robot called Salvation I that only ''he'' could stop in an attempt to appear heroic in front of his fellow Avengers.Avengers. When the actual incident happened, [[EpicFail he failed]], nearly got killed, and had to be saved by Janet.
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* WorldOfCardboardSpeech: At the climax of ''Avengers #229'' (written by Creator/RogerStern) where he confronts Egghead:
--> '''Hank''': "I did a pretty good job of screwing up my life recently. You just about finished the job for me! You used me, egghead...and you tried to make me a criminal! But you couldn't, you see. I've come to terms with myself in the past month. I know who I am, and who I'm not! I'm not Ant-Man anymore, I'm not Giant-Man...or Goliath...or Yellow-Jacket! I am Henry Pym! And it was Henry Pym who beat the Masters of Evil!"
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* OvershadowedByAwesome: In-universe, it was established via retcon that Hank first came up with the Giant-Man identity because he felt his shrinking abilities were useless when compared to the raw power the other Avengers brought to the table.

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* OvershadowedByAwesome: In-universe, it was established via retcon that Hank first came up with the Giant-Man identity because he felt his shrinking abilities were useless when compared to the raw power the other Avengers brought to the table. This becomes a MythologyGag of sorts in ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures: The Avengers'' when Janet, here as Giant-Girl, thought the shrinking powers were incredibly lame and when she accidentally discovered she could grow with them, she decides to stick with that.



* SanitySlippage: The stress from the amount of work he had on himself, his crushing self-doubt mixed with the disrespect of his teammates, and Janet's emotional abuse of him ultimately lead him down a disastrous spiral which has defined his superhero career since.

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* SanitySlippage: The stress from the amount of work he had on himself, his crushing self-doubt mixed with the disrespect of his teammates, and Janet's emotional abuse of him ultimately lead him down a disastrous spiral which has defined his superhero career since. It was ultimately revealed that these moments were caused by an undiagnosed case of bipolar disorder.
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** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/yjwedding11.jpg Hank's work had killed their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/yjwedding18.jpg for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche]]. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.

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** And the cherry on top of that cake is that Jan actually ''is'' guilty of abusing Hank, as she willfully and blatantly used his drug-addled and unstable mental state to force him into marriage with her, with it even being mentioned several times that Hank was so out of it during the ceremony that he had no idea what he was saying. Unlike Hank, Janet has ''no excuse.'' She was just being manipulative for the sake of keeping Hank by her side no matter what. She even has a panel ranting before anyone, beside possibly herself, knew it was Hank about how [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/yjwedding11.jpg [[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MWN-QfHUgDD9O1bluFExXysPQSrqPUt-wr8oK_omCfuMT7qu6ynOqLXaIoGbLzhwKzg8JGrC7N_V=s1600 Hank's work focus on science had killed halted their relationship and how this was her true happniness.]]
*** The real kicker comes when there was an attempt at a retcon. In the story they try to explain the whole thing as everyone knowing it was Hank and playing dumb, including Janet, [[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/yjwedding18.jpg for the sake of Hank's fractured psyche]].psyche. Janet through out the story is played as an emotionally broken and sympathetic character.

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