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Cloning Blues renamed to Clone Angst as per TRS, specifically about angst from a character discovering that they're a clone.
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* ChildSoldiers: She never had [[CloningBlues much of a childhood]], though.

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* ChildSoldiers: She never had [[CloningBlues much of a childhood]], childhood, though.



* CloningBlues: Despite being Elpeo Ple clones, Ple-2 and all her sisters have a very distinct personality. While Ple appears to be cheerful, hyper-active, loud and energetic, Ple-2 and her sisters appear to be cold, serious, and aggressive. While from the power Ple-2 and her sisters are equal but still able to defeat Ple and the other pure-Newtype, Ple-2 and her sisters proved to be so unstable and Ple still able to manage herself stable and focused like normal Newtype

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* CulturedWarrior: Tries to project this image, buying Leina fancy clothes, teaching her proper ettiquette and how to play the violin and the piano, but it's undermined by his childishness and the fact that he's creeping on a twelve-year-old.

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* CulturedWarrior: Tries to project this image, buying Leina fancy clothes, teaching her proper ettiquette etiquette and how to play the violin and the piano, but it's undermined by his childishness and the fact that he's creeping on a twelve-year-old.



* NiceJobFixingItVillain: His attempt at [[spoiler:a coup against Haman]] is essentially what saves [[spoiler:the EF]].

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: His attempt at [[spoiler:a coup against Haman]] is essentially what saves [[spoiler:the EF]].Earth Federation]].



* NotEnoughToBury: [[spoiler:Roux lands a direct hit on Glemmy with the Mk 2's beam rifle [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill when he isn't in a mobile suit or otherwise protected]], completely and instantly vaporizing his entire body.]]



* ParentalSubstitute: To [[spoiler:the Ple's. He makes a pretty awful one.]] Also to Leina, while she's under his care; he seems to be raising her as a daughter, with his [[GoGoEnslavement dressing her up in fancy clothes]], having her learn the piano, and presenting her to the other Neo Zeon elite.

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* ParentalSubstitute: ParentalSubstitute:
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To [[spoiler:the Ple's. He makes a pretty awful one.]] ]]
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Also to Leina, while she's under his care; he seems to be raising her as a daughter, with his [[GoGoEnslavement dressing her up in fancy clothes]], having her learn the piano, and presenting her to the other Neo Zeon elite.
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* NippleAndDimed: When she's naked in storage.
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renamed to Short Teens Tall Adults; the average Gundam protagonist is teenaged to start with


* TeensAreShort: His lack of height is the biggest indicator that he's younger than the average Gundam protagonist, though not by much.
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* StrongFamilyResemblance: Resembles Mineva Zabi quite a bit due to [[spoiler:technically being her cousin, as she was partially created from Gihren Zabi's DNA]].

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* StrongFamilyResemblance: Resembles [[spoiler:Resembles Mineva Zabi quite a bit due to [[spoiler:technically being her cousin, as she was partially created from Gihren Zabi's DNA]].because they're genetically cousins.]]

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* AdaptationalVillainy: He was bad in the anime, but the manga adds a whole new list of crimes to his rapsheet, while ommiting his good points.

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* AdaptationalVillainy: He was bad in the anime, but the manga adds a whole new list of crimes to his rapsheet, while ommiting omitting his good points.



* ApocalypseHitler: [[spoiler:He's a clone (maybe) of Gihren Zabi, the UC's equivalent of Hitler, and he manages to make an already horrific war worse by adding a civil war element and armies of clones to it. Justified as he was given power by Haman and then used that to gain even more]].

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* ApocalypseHitler: [[spoiler:He's a AmbiguouslyRelated:
** He claims to have the blood of [[spoiler:the Zabi family]], but provides no proof and doesn't elaborate. Fans generally assume he's [[spoiler:the illegitimate son or some kind of
clone (maybe) of Gihren Zabi, the UC's equivalent of Hitler, Gihren]]. [[https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?p=8313 According to semi-canonical production notes]], Glemmy is [[spoiler:Gihren's genetic son with an unknown (potential) Newtype woman via artificial in vitro fertilisation]].
** There are also vague implications Glemmy is more than just Ple's handler, even if she never acknowledges such (for understandable reason). The same source describes her
and he manages to make an already horrific war worse by adding a civil war element and armies of her clones to it. Justified as he was given power by Haman and then used that to gain even more]].[[spoiler:sharing the same origin as Glemmy, except their egg came from another potential Newtype, making them Glemmy's half-sisters]].



* CloningBlues: [[spoiler:Not only did he clone Ple, he himself may be a test tube baby with the DNA of Gihren Zabi in his blood]].
* ClonesArePeopleToo: [[spoiler:He and Gihren have the same charisma, evil, and manipulative ability, but the similarities stop there]].



* {{You Cloned Hitler}}: [[spoiler:More of a [[ANaziByAnyOtherName You Cloned Gihren Zabi]]?!]]


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* AmbiguouslyRelated: She doesn't acknowledge Glemmy as family, but he may have raised her and/or be genetically related, [[spoiler:thus connecting her to the Zabis]]. According to production notes, [[spoiler:Ple is Glemmy's half-sister and Gihren's daughter via in vitro fertilization]].
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* BladeOnAStick: On the Dreissen.

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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: If you buy that her [[AVillainNamedKhan last name should be Khan]]. She also shares a name with [[BiblicalBadGuy Haman of the Book of Esther]], who tried to talk a Persian king into massacring the Jews.

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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: If you buy that her [[AVillainNamedKhan last name should be Khan]]. She also shares a name with [[BiblicalBadGuy Haman of the Book of Esther]], who tried to talk a Persian king into massacring the Jews.


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* AVillainNamedKhan: Though her surname is officially spelled "Ka'''r'''n", it's pronounced the same as "Khan".
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** In a side manga, he fights against the [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Zanscare forces]] in his outdated ZZ Gundam (which at that point is older than the MechaMooks by at least 60 years). The ZZ, now nicknamed the Gump, is already missing more than half of its original parts and cobbled with so many repaired parts it has a freakin' peg leg. He's also about 80 years old at that point and still ''kicks ass''.

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** In a side manga, he fights against the [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Zanscare forces]] in his outdated and ramshackled ZZ Gundam (which at that point is older than the MechaMooks by at least 60 years). The ZZ, now nicknamed the Gump, is already missing more than half of its original parts and cobbled with so many repaired parts it has a freakin' peg leg. He's also about 80 years old at that point and still ''kicks ass''.



* BookDumb: Not a brilliant student. Still very smart.

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* BookDumb: Not a brilliant student. Still very smart.smart when necessary.



* ContrastingSequelMainCharacter: Being the third protagonist in the Universal Century timeline, Judau has some contrasting characteristics to his two predecessors. Unlike Amuro and Kamille, Judau is actually far more personable, having a far easier time fitting in with his peers. Also, while Judau is a newtype, he also has a considerably harder time adjusting to piloting a Gundam.

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* ContrastingSequelMainCharacter: Being the third protagonist in the Universal Century timeline, Judau has some contrasting characteristics to his two predecessors. Unlike Amuro and Kamille, Judau is actually far more personable, having a far easier time fitting in with his peers. both personable and very socially adjusted. Also, while Judau is a newtype, he also has a considerably harder time adjusting acclimating to piloting a Gundam.Gundam, as he had no prior experience with operating mobile suits or engineering beyond the use of smaller loader machines.



* IdiotHero: Has some elements of this.

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* IdiotHero: Has some elements of this. He tends to be very short-sighted and rarely considers the consequences of his actions, though this gets better as the series progresses.



* MightyGlacier: After the Enhanced ZZ receives it's final upgrade to ''Full Armor ZZ'', turning it into a Mobile Suit-sized flying fortress, but reducing its speed and costing it the ability to separate into its various components.
* PsychicPowers: Like Amuro and Kamille before him, Judau is a top tier Newtype, which allows him to pull off most of the stunts he gets away with. Yet, unlike Amuro and Kamille, Judau's New Type powers are in a class of its own, which caused actual harm without the need of any enhancements or accessories (such as the Psychoframe). Haman Karn, who frightened both Kamille and Scirocco, matched Char in terms of prowess and even beaten the latter in a duel, was absolutely terrified when Judau unleashed his New Type powers on her.

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* MightyGlacier: After the Enhanced ZZ receives it's final upgrade to ''Full Armor ZZ'', turning it into a Mobile Suit-sized flying fortress, but reducing its speed and costing it the ability to separate into its various components.
components. It's restored to normal immediately afterwards though.
* PsychicPowers: Like Amuro and Kamille before him, Judau is a top tier Newtype, which allows him to pull off most of the stunts he gets away with. Yet, unlike Amuro and Kamille, Judau's New Type Newtype powers are in a class of its own, which caused actual harm without the need of any enhancements or accessories (such as the Psychoframe). Haman Karn, who frightened both Kamille and Scirocco, matched Char in terms of prowess and even beaten the latter in a duel, was absolutely terrified when Judau unknowingly unleashed his New Type Newtype powers on her. her.



* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After all is said and done, Judau packs up and heads to the Jupiter colonies. Fed up with the bullshit going on around Earth and not wanting to be a part of the madness there anymore, he set off to start a new more peaceful life for himself, his sister and Roux. The Expanded Universe reveals he would later do it again -- [[spoiler: in his old age he would form a secret community of New types and leave the Sol system entirely for Proxima Centauri, hoping to make a fresh start.]]

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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After all is said and done, Judau packs up and heads to the Jupiter colonies. Fed up with the bullshit going on around Earth and not wanting to be a part of the madness there anymore, he set off to start a new more peaceful life for himself, his sister and Roux. The Expanded Universe reveals he would later do it again -- [[spoiler: in his old age age, going by the name "Grey Stoke", he would form a secret community of New types Newtypes and leave the Sol system entirely for Proxima Centauri, hoping to make a fresh start.]]



* TeensAreShort: His lack of height is the biggest indicator that he's younger than the average Gundam protagonist.

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* TeensAreShort: His lack of height is the biggest indicator that he's younger than the average Gundam protagonist.protagonist, though not by much.



* ForgottenFallenFriend: [[spoiler: Judau and the crew get over her death very fast and she is barely mentioned afterwards.]]

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* ForgottenFallenFriend: [[spoiler: Judau and the crew get over her death very fast and she is barely mentioned afterwards. Justified as her continued presence was less they wanted to bring her along and more the fact she refused to leave Judau's side.]]



* PhlebotinumGirl: A Newtype pilot raised from birth to be a soldier. While she's not Judau's LoveInterest (as much as she might want to be), she ''does'' become an adoptive sister.

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* PhlebotinumGirl: A Newtype pilot raised from birth to be a soldier. While she's not Judau's LoveInterest (as much as she might want to be), she ''does'' become an adoptive sister.sister of sorts.



* SociopathicHero: Ple is almost completely amoral, due to Glemmy's utter failure to raise her properly. She's only on the Gundam Team because she loves Judau.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Her full name is pronounced "Elpy Pull/Erupi Puru", which is meant as a homophone for "El People"[[labelnote:*]]Commonly interpreted as "L. People", in reference to a magazine called ''Lemon People''.[[/labelnote]]. Since neither half of the word "people" is phonetic, the official romanization "Elpeo Ple" is very unintuitive, and many English fans write her common name as "Puru".

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* SociopathicHero: Ple is almost completely amoral, due to Glemmy's utter failure to raise her properly. She's only on the Gundam Team because she loves Judau.
Judau, and they'd arguably be better off without her.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Her full name is pronounced "Elpy Pull/Erupi Puru", which is meant as a homophone for "El People"[[labelnote:*]]Commonly interpreted as "L. People", in reference to a magazine called ''Lemon People''.[[/labelnote]]. Since neither half of the word "people" is phonetic, the official romanization "Elpeo Ple" is very unintuitive, and many English fans write her common name as "Puru". Her name was officially translated into English as "Puru" for most of the 2000s, though this changed to "Ple" around the 2010s.
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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After all is said and done, Judau packs up and heads to the Jupiter colonies. Fed up with the bullshit going on around Earth and not wanting to be a part of the madness there anymore, he set off to start a new more peaceful life for himself, his sister and Roux.

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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: After all is said and done, Judau packs up and heads to the Jupiter colonies. Fed up with the bullshit going on around Earth and not wanting to be a part of the madness there anymore, he set off to start a new more peaceful life for himself, his sister and Roux. The Expanded Universe reveals he would later do it again -- [[spoiler: in his old age he would form a secret community of New types and leave the Sol system entirely for Proxima Centauri, hoping to make a fresh start.]]
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* LackOfEmpathy: Just when killing in battle is concerned and even then is Zigzagged trope. Judau never clicked on the fact that he killed humans the first time and kept living his life as if nothing had happened. He will more times than not make your Mobile Suit explode on purpose and he is not fond at all of letting enemies [[WhatMeasureIsAMook he doesn't know who they are]] get away piloting them. That being said, Judau doesn't really need that much to humanize you and vaporize his powerful will to destroy you, he just needs to see you directly out of your Mobile Suit, or for you to talk to him inside of it. Most likely he fights in the war to completely destroy your Mobile Suit no matter if you are inside the machine or not, so if you can't escape and don't want to die in the fight, it's better for you to eject from the cockpit or surrender.

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* LackOfEmpathy: Just when killing in battle is concerned and even then is Zigzagged trope. Judau never clicked on the fact that he killed humans the first time and kept living his life as if nothing had happened. He will more times than not make your Mobile Suit explode on purpose while making sarcastic comments and he is not fond at all of letting enemies [[WhatMeasureIsAMook he doesn't know who they are]] get away piloting them.them, so he will chase them and shoot them from behind until taking them down or the situation becomes dangerous for him. That being said, Judau doesn't really need that much to humanize you and vaporize his powerful will to destroy you, he just needs to see you directly out of your Mobile Suit, or for you to talk to him inside of it. Most likely he fights in the war to completely destroy your Mobile Suit no matter if you are inside the machine or not, so if you can't escape and don't want to die in the fight, it's better for you to eject from the cockpit or surrender.
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* LackofEmpathy: Just when killing in battle is concerned and even then is Zigzagged trope. Judau never clicked on the fact that he killed humans the first time and kept living his life as if nothing had happened. He will more times than not make your Mobile Suit explode on purpose and he is not fond at all of letting enemies [[WhatMeasureIsAMook he doesn't know who they are]] get away piloting them. That being said, Judau doesn't really need that much to humanize you and vaporize his powerful will to destroy you, he just needs to see you directly out of your Mobile Suit, or for you to talk to him inside of it. Most likely he fights in the war to completely destroy your Mobile Suit no matter if you are inside the machine or not, so if you can't escape and don't want to die in the fight, it's better for you to eject from the cockpit or surrender.

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* LackofEmpathy: LackOfEmpathy: Just when killing in battle is concerned and even then is Zigzagged trope. Judau never clicked on the fact that he killed humans the first time and kept living his life as if nothing had happened. He will more times than not make your Mobile Suit explode on purpose and he is not fond at all of letting enemies [[WhatMeasureIsAMook he doesn't know who they are]] get away piloting them. That being said, Judau doesn't really need that much to humanize you and vaporize his powerful will to destroy you, he just needs to see you directly out of your Mobile Suit, or for you to talk to him inside of it. Most likely he fights in the war to completely destroy your Mobile Suit no matter if you are inside the machine or not, so if you can't escape and don't want to die in the fight, it's better for you to eject from the cockpit or surrender.
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* LackofEmpathy: Just when killing in battle is concerned and even then is Zigzagged trope. Judau never clicked on the fact that he killed humans the first time and kept living his life as if nothing had happened. He will more times than not make your Mobile Suit explode on purpose and he is not fond at all of letting enemies [[WhatMeasureIsAMook he doesn't know who they are]] get away piloting them. That being said, Judau doesn't really need that much to humanize you and vaporize his powerful will to destroy you, he just needs to see you directly out of your Mobile Suit, or for you to talk to him inside of it. Most likely he fights in the war to completely destroy your Mobile Suit no matter if you are inside the machine or not, so if you can't escape and don't want to die in the fight, it's better for you to eject from the cockpit or surrender.
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* DiesDifferentlyInTheAdaptation: [[spoiler:In the manga, he's killed by Judau instead of Roux.]]

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* DiesDifferentlyInTheAdaptation: DiesDifferentlyInAdaptation: [[spoiler:In the manga, he's killed by Judau instead of Roux.]]

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* PlatonicLifePartners: In the manga, she and Judau are written like this. In the anime she's his UnluckyChildhoodFriend.

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* PlatonicLifePartners: In the manga, she and Judau are written like this. In the anime she's his UnluckyChildhoodFriend.anime, she has a one-sided ChildhoodFriendRomance.



* AdaptationalVillainy: He was bad in the anime, but the manga adds a whole new list of crimes to his rapsheet, while ommitting his good points.

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* AdaptationalVillainy: He was bad in the anime, but the manga adds a whole new list of crimes to his rapsheet, while ommitting ommiting his good points.



* DeathByIrony: [[spoiler:In the anime, he is killed by Roux, the girl he had a crush on.]] In the manga, however, [[spoiler:it is Judau who kills him off.]]

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* DeathByIrony: [[spoiler:In the anime, he is killed by Roux, the girl he had a crush on.]] In the manga, however, [[spoiler:it is Judau who kills him off.]]


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* DiesDifferentlyInTheAdaptation: [[spoiler:In the manga, he's killed by Judau instead of Roux.]]
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One of the African fighters of the Blue Team, fighting to drive the "French" (Europeans, and by extension the Earth Federation) out of Africa.

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One of the African fighters of the Blue Team, fighting to drive the "French" "Franks" (Europeans, and by extension the Earth Federation) out of Africa.
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* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Her full name is pronounced "Elpy Pull/Erupi Puru", which is meant as a homophone for "El People"[[labelnote:*]]Commonly interpreted as "L. People", in reference to a magazine called ''Lemon People''.[[/labelnote]]. Since neither half of the word "people" is phonetic, the official romanization "Elpeo Ple" is very intuitive, and many English fans write her common name as "Puru".

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* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Her full name is pronounced "Elpy Pull/Erupi Puru", which is meant as a homophone for "El People"[[labelnote:*]]Commonly interpreted as "L. People", in reference to a magazine called ''Lemon People''.[[/labelnote]]. Since neither half of the word "people" is phonetic, the official romanization "Elpeo Ple" is very intuitive, unintuitive, and many English fans write her common name as "Puru".
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* SpellMyNameWithAnS: The reason for the odd romanization of her name (some romanize her name as Elpeo ''Puru'' as a nod to her VerbalTic) is because her name was based on a magazine called Lemon People (romanizing "L. People" in katakana gets you Ple's name).

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* SpellMyNameWithAnS: The reason for the odd romanization of her Her full name (some romanize her name as Elpeo ''Puru'' is pronounced "Elpy Pull/Erupi Puru", which is meant as a nod homophone for "El People"[[labelnote:*]]Commonly interpreted as "L. People", in reference to her VerbalTic) is because her name was based on a magazine called Lemon People (romanizing "L. People" in katakana gets you Ple's name).''Lemon People''.[[/labelnote]]. Since neither half of the word "people" is phonetic, the official romanization "Elpeo Ple" is very intuitive, and many English fans write her common name as "Puru".
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* BareYourMidriff: Her uniform exposes her midsection.
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* AnAxeToGrind: His Desert Zaku is equipped with a double bladed axe which he uses to slice through the Zeta Gundam's shield.
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* AttackDrone: Her Qubeley is the first mobile suit to employ fin funnels, an array of autonomous lasers controlled through a [[PsychicPowers psycommu system]]. They remain her WeaponOfChoice.

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* AttackDrone: Her Qubeley is the first mobile suit to employ fin funnels, an array of autonomous lasers controlled through a [[PsychicPowers psycommu system]]. They remain her WeaponOfChoice.

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* WholesomeCrossdresser: Subverted. He looks pretty damn weird in a dress, in contrast to the far more convincing Iino.



* AttractiveBentGender: Makes a fairly convincing girl when the group is under cover.



* WholesomeCrossdresser: Makes a fairly convincing girl when the group is under cover.
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Ambiguous Disorder is not a trope anymore, but a redirect to a YMMV entry.


* AmbiguousDisorder: Chara has a habit of going into manic states, particularly whenever she is piloting a Mobile Suit. She also has a short attention span and at times display Short-term memory loss.
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* {{Reincarnation}}: Of Cosmo Yuki from ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon'' as revealed in ''Mobile Suit Vs. Giant God of Legend: Gigantis' Counterattack''.

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* {{Reincarnation}}: Of Cosmo Yuki from ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon'' as revealed in The very much non-canon ''Mobile Suit Vs. Giant God of Legend: Gigantis' Counterattack''.Counterattack'' reveals that Judau is the reincarnation of Cosmo Yuki from ''Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon''.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: After their first few encounters with the Nahel Argama they just kind of disappear. Three Jamru Fins are seen mobilizing under Mashmyre when the civil war breaks out, but that cameo is the last we see of them.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: After their first few encounters with the Nahel Argama they just kind of disappear. Three Jamru Fins are seen mobilizing under Mashmyre when the civil war breaks out, but that cameo is the last we see of them. The ''Moon Gundam'' manga shows that they made it out of the civil war alive and hooked up with Zeon Remnants.



* PraetorianGuard: The pair are Zeon elites often flanking Chara with their identical looking mobile suits.

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* PraetorianGuard: The pair are Zeon elites often flanking Chara with their identical looking identical-looking mobile suits.
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Ill Girl has been cut per TRS decision. Examples are moved to Delicate And Sickly when appropriate.


* IllGirl: When they enter the Tigerbaum colony, the effort needed to form a Newtype signal blocking field to prevent Judau from going apeshit on Haman Karn is affecting both of them negatively, particularly Rasara. [[spoiler:This being Gundam, it doesn't end well.]]
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Her behavior when piloting a mobile suit is ''highly'' suggestive.

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