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** [[spoiler:The [=RPG-7=] ''is'' a grenade launcher, only its projectiles are rocket-boosted rather than parabolically-arced.]]
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** [[spoiler:The [[spoiler:Surprisingly [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], jokes aside that ''technically speaking'' the [=RPG-7=] ''is'' a grenade launcher, only its projectiles are rocket-boosted rather than parabolically-arced.parabolically-arced. [=RPG-7=]s are (in)famously easy to operate, and it's been ''well established'' over the course of the entire game that Lester is ''highly intelligent'', especially when it comes to calculations, so there's nothing to suggest he ''couldn't'' be able to quickly figure out where to point and when to shoot in order for a rocket-propelled projectile to hit a target moving at a certain speed while you yourself are on a platform moving at a certain speed. All it comes down at that point to is reaction time, [[TruthInTelevision of which video games have, in multiple studies, been proven to improve both the accuracy and speed of reaction-time in those who play them compared to those who don't play them]].]]
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* WantingIsBetterThanHaving: Her hookup with Fabien ends up becoming this, as Jimmy smugly points out. When it comes to casual sex and simple pleasures, Fabien is an absolute delight for Amanda to be with. As a long-term partner on the other hand, he is constantly belligerent and makes her spend money on things she doesn't want, which pisses her off to no end. Eventually, she gets so fed up with Fabien that she calmly tells Michael to KickTheSonOfABitch when they reunite for the first time in months.
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* WantingIsBetterThanHaving: Her hookup with Fabien ends up becoming this, as Jimmy smugly points out. When it comes to casual sex and simple pleasures, Fabien is an absolute delight for Amanda to be with. As a long-term partner on the other hand, he is constantly belligerent and makes her spend money on things she doesn't want, which pisses her off to no end. Eventually, she gets so fed up with Fabien that she calmly tells Michael to KickTheSonOfABitch PayEvilUntoEvil when they reunite for the first time in months.
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Michael catches Franklin repossessing his family SUV at Simeon's orders, holding him at gunpoint and making him crash through Premium Deluxe Motorsport's glass window. Cue Michael beating the shit out of Simeon ([[KickTheSonOfABitch with actual player control]]), then saying he really doesn't want to make a return visit before leaving.
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* LaserGuidedKarma: Michael catches Franklin repossessing his family SUV at Simeon's orders, holding him at gunpoint and making him crash through Premium Deluxe Motorsport's glass window. Cue Michael beating the shit out of Simeon ([[KickTheSonOfABitch ([[PayEvilUntoEvil with actual player control]]), then saying he really doesn't want to make a return visit before leaving.
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* KickTheSonOfABitch: Invoked. His targets are usually as corrupt as he is, if not more so. While his crimes are about profit, he does takes immense satisfaction when they involve destroying other bad people.
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* PayEvilUntoEvil: Invoked. His targets are usually as corrupt as he is, if not more so. While his crimes are about profit, he does takes immense satisfaction when they involve destroying other bad people.
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: She's an obsessive yogi, so it fits her image. Sometimes, you'll find her walking outside the house and wandering around the city barefoot.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: She berates Michael for cheating on her with prostitutes and strippers, despite her own ''long'' list of partners. This contrasts with Michael's AtLeastIAdmitIt attitude regarding their marriage, where he's fine with her cheating on him as long as it's not done in their own house and at ''his'' expense. Furthermore, she berates Michael for continuing his criminal lifestyle, while completly ignoring that he would not have had to return to a life in crime had she not been cheating on him.
-->'''Michael:''' I'm paying that turd a hundred and fifty bucks an hour to fuck my wife, ''in my own bed''?!
-->'''Michael:''' I'm paying that turd a hundred and fifty bucks an hour to fuck my wife, ''in my own bed''?!
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** She berates Michael for cheating on her with prostitutes and strippers, despite her own ''long'' list of partners. This contrasts with Michael's AtLeastIAdmitIt attitude regarding their marriage, where he's fine with her cheating on him as long as it's not done in their own house and at ''his'' expense. Furthermore, she berates Michael for continuing his criminal lifestyle, while completly ignoring that he would not have had to return to a life in crime had she not been cheating on him.
-->'''Michael:''' --->'''Michael:''' I'm paying that turd a hundred and fifty bucks an hour to fuck my wife, ''in my own bed''?!bed''?!
** In "Father/Son", Amanda berates Tracey for her promiscuous lifestyle despite her own list of affairs. Amanda also tells Tracey to watch her language despite droping {{Cluster F Bomb}}s herself repeatedly, like almost everyone else in Southern San Andreas.
** She berates Michael for cheating on her with prostitutes and strippers, despite her own ''long'' list of partners. This contrasts with Michael's AtLeastIAdmitIt attitude regarding their marriage, where he's fine with her cheating on him as long as it's not done in their own house and at ''his'' expense. Furthermore, she berates Michael for continuing his criminal lifestyle, while completly ignoring that he would not have had to return to a life in crime had she not been cheating on him.
** In "Father/Son", Amanda berates Tracey for her promiscuous lifestyle despite her own list of affairs. Amanda also tells Tracey to watch her language despite droping {{Cluster F Bomb}}s herself repeatedly, like almost everyone else in Southern San Andreas.
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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: Although Jimmy is [[InkSuitActor modeled on his VA]], Jimmy does kind of resemble Creator/JonahHill pre-weight loss.
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* NoCelebritiesWereHarmed: Although Jimmy is [[InkSuitActor modeled on his VA]], Jimmy does kind of somewhat resemble Creator/JonahHill pre-weight loss.
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* CuteButCacophonic: She has a rather shrill and whiny voice. It's particularly prominent during "Father/Son" when she argues with her mother over a boyfriend, and in "Daddy's Little Girl" when she screams at Jimmy for ruining her day.
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* CuteButCacophonic: She has a rather shrill and whiny voice. It's particularly prominent during "Father/Son" when she argues with her mother over a boyfriend, and Michael drowns out the argument by blasting Music/PhilCollins on his [=iFruit=] phone, and in "Daddy's Little Girl" when she screams at Jimmy for ruining her day.
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* VitriolicBestBuds: With Michael. Despite arguing in many of their scenes together, both admit over the course of the game to liking each other, [[OddFriendship despite their differences]], and do their best to make sure the other survives. This is best exemplified in "The Wrap-Up": [[spoiler:when Steve pulls a gun on Michael in order to cut off loose ends about the IAA raid, Dave wastes no time pulling his in Michael's defense.]]
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* VitriolicBestBuds: With Michael.
** Despite arguing in many of their scenes together, both admit over the course of the game to liking each other, [[OddFriendship despite their differences]], and do their best to make sure the other survives. This is best exemplified in "The Wrap-Up": [[spoiler:when Steve pulls a gun on Michael in order to cut off loose ends about the IAA raid, Dave wastes no time pulling his in Michael's defense.]]
** Despite arguing in many of their scenes together, both admit over the course of the game to liking each other, [[OddFriendship despite their differences]], and do their best to make sure the other survives. This is best exemplified in "The Wrap-Up": [[spoiler:when Steve pulls a gun on Michael in order to cut off loose ends about the IAA raid, Dave wastes no time pulling his in Michael's defense.]]
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* AdvertisedExtra: Chop frequently appeared in pre-release advertising, but the missions that allow you to use him can be counted on one hand and it's possible to go through most of the game without using his unique mechanics.
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* AnythingThatMoves: Franklin notes this with equal amounts of amusement and condemnation. One of Lamar's [=LifeInvader=] posts says he fucked a ''cat''. TruthInTelevision, for the record; unneutered male dogs will hump damn near anything.
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* ReallyGetsAround: Animal version -- when walking Chop, he will occasionally hump any dog within sight, female ''and'' male alike.
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* ReallyGetsAround: Animal version -- when Franklin notes this with equal amounts of amusement and condemnation. When walking Chop, he will occasionally hump any dog within sight, female ''and'' male alike.alike. One of Lamar's [=LifeInvader=] posts says he fucked a ''cat''. TruthInTelevision, for the record; unneutered male dogs will hump damn near anything.
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: One of his father's many complaints about his "lifestyle". He's the classic stereotyped scenario too; a fat adult loser who stays in his parents' home all day masturbating. When playing as Michael, you can even occasionally hear him watching porn when you pass by his room. The door will be locked and if you come too close he yells that he's having "private time".
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* DirtyOldMan: He claims that in his heyday, he had three secretaries: now he has to get his own coffee, [[ADateWithRosiePalms and give himself his own "happy ending"]].
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* FunctionalAddict: He occasionally takes meth, and the only time it leaves an impact on him is him [[spoiler:[[HeatWave sweating like a pig]] under the body armor used during the Paleto Bay Heist.]] Besides that, he's arguably more mentally adjusted than fellow substance-abuser Trevor.
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* FunctionalAddict: He occasionally takes meth, and the only time it leaves an impact on him is him [[spoiler:[[HeatWave sweating like a pig]] under the body armor used during the Paleto Bay Heist.Heist (though that could just as easily be due to the armored suits being bulky, heavy and without much ventilation).]] Besides that, he's arguably more mentally adjusted than fellow substance-abuser Trevor.
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* BreakingTheFellowship: He implies this of the story mode crew in a throwaway line during the stealth approach of the Diamond Casino Heist. At the very least, Lester doesn't seem to be in contact anymore. Considering Michael and Franklin have been MIA in ''Online'' since its launch and Trevor has supposedly "gone Vinewood" as of ''Smuggler[='=]s Run'', this might very well be true. However he is willing to get Jimmy a job at the Protagonist's arcade and describes him as a "family friend", implying there may still be some love between the old gang after all.
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* BreakingTheFellowship: He implies this of the story mode crew in ''Online'' in a throwaway line during the stealth approach of the Diamond Casino Heist. At the very least, Lester doesn't seem to be in contact anymore. Considering Michael and has been MIA since ''Online'''s launch, Franklin have been MIA and Lamar are running their own business in ''Online'' since its launch ''The Contract'' update, and Trevor has supposedly "gone Vinewood" as and abandoned most of ''Smuggler[='=]s Run'', his criminal enterprises, this might very well be true. However he is willing to get Jimmy a job at the Protagonist's arcade and describes him as a "family friend", implying there may still be some love between with Michael at the old gang after all.very least.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: After Brad's death, Dave decided to start sending letters to Trevor to make him believe he was still alive and imprisoned, all so that he could keep a closer eye on him. Unfortunately, this gets Trevor to get set on busting Brad out of prison, and further makes things worse when he finds out he was never alive to begin with.
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* BareYourMidriff: Some of her outfits, specifically her ''Fame or Shame'' audition outfit.
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* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In the storymode, a greedy {{Jerkass}} at best, [[spoiler:but then when it's revealed he never died and now runs a theraputic drug operation with his own private army with an insidious agenda, it really cemented just how much a threat Friedlander really was]].
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* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In the storymode, he's a greedy {{Jerkass}} at most, [[spoiler:but in Online, it's revealed he never died and now runs a theraputic drug operation with his own private army with an insidious agenda, it really cemented just how much a threat Friedlander really was]].
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* NotSoHarmlessVillain: In the storymode, a greedy {{Jerkass}} at best, [[spoiler:but then when it's revealed he never died and now runs a theraputic drug operation with his own private army with an insidious agenda, it really cemented just how much a threat Friedlander really was]].
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* PsychoPsychologist: It's plainly obvious that he only cares about how much money and fame he can get off of Michael, and the only treatments he provides are slipshod pop analyses and meds.
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* PsychoPsychologist: It's plainly obvious that he only cares about how much money and fame he can get off of Michael, and the only treatments he provides are slipshod pop analyses and meds. [[spoiler:This becomes emphasized in the ''Last Dose'' update in VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoOnline when he takes the center stage as the villain and kidnaps Labrat for his own experimental drugs]].
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* AscendedExtra: [[spoiler: In VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoOnline, Friedlander is revealed to have somehow survived and is shown to become a major antagonist in the Fooliganz Story Arc in the ''Last Dose'' Update]].
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* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:If you choose to sic Michael on him. [[BusCrash ...And even if he doesn't, Dr. Friedlander will still die after the player does the last therapy session.]]]]
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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler:The way [[{{Jerkass}} he acts]] [[WouldHitAGirl in the prologue]] [[AxCrazy gives you an idea what kind of person he is]]. Honestly, Trevor should be grateful Brad walking in front of him saved his life]].
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* BuxomIsBetter: Justified: according to Trevor, Michael bought her breast implants.
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* BuxomIsBetter: BuxomBeautyStandard: Justified: according to Trevor, Michael bought her breast implants.
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* BuxomIsBetter: In some of her random dialogue she will mention that she's had a boob job.
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* BuxomIsBetter: All of the girls who work at the Vanilla Unicorn are quite busty. TruthInTelevision, by the way, as exotic dancers in real life often get breast implants as a way of attracting more customers.
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* BuxomIsBetter: BuxomBeautyStandard: All of the girls who work at the Vanilla Unicorn are quite busty. TruthInTelevision, by the way, as exotic dancers in real life often get breast implants as a way of attracting more customers.
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* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:She's the sweet, elderly wife of a [[TheCartel Cartel]] leader while Trevor is an AxCrazy murderer and enemy to her husband. Nevertheless, somehow both her and Trevor fall in love despite knowing it's not meant to be. She even repeatedly calls Trevor and continues to express her feelings for him in moments of weakness after she returns to her husband. As of the Cayo Perico update, her and Trevor are actively meeting behind Martin Madrazo's back; Rubio has a photo of them in flagrante delicto.]]
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* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:She's the sweet, elderly wife of a [[TheCartel Cartel]] leader while Trevor is an AxCrazy murderer and enemy to her husband. Nevertheless, somehow both her she and Trevor fall in love despite knowing it's not meant to be. She even repeatedly calls Trevor and continues to express her feelings for him in moments of weakness after she returns to her husband. As of the Cayo Perico update, her she and Trevor are actively meeting behind Martin Madrazo's back; Rubio has a photo of them in flagrante delicto.]]
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* WidowWoman: [[spoiler:If Ending B is chosen; however, the ''Diamond Casino'' update for ''Online'' rendered this non-canon.]]
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* ButNowIMustGo: [[spoiler:Despite her attraction to Trevor she ultimately believes she must return to her husband because of the obligations of married life. PlayedForLaughs as Music/{{Chicago}}'s "If You Leave Me Now" is playing throughout the car ride back to her house.]]
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* ButNowIMustGo: [[spoiler:Despite her attraction to Trevor she ultimately believes she must return to her husband because of the obligations of married life. PlayedForLaughs as Music/{{Chicago}}'s "If You Leave Me Now" is playing throughout the car ride back to her house. Even then, the Cayo Perico update shows that she and Trevor are cuckolding Martin years later.]]
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* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:She's the sweet, elderly wife of a [[TheCartel Cartel]] leader while Trevor is an AxCrazy murderer and enemy to her husband. Nevertheless, somehow both her and Trevor fall in love despite knowing it's not meant to be. She even repeatedly calls Trevor and continues to express her feelings for him in moments of weakness after she returns to her husband.]]
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* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:She's the sweet, elderly wife of a [[TheCartel Cartel]] leader while Trevor is an AxCrazy murderer and enemy to her husband. Nevertheless, somehow both her and Trevor fall in love despite knowing it's not meant to be. She even repeatedly calls Trevor and continues to express her feelings for him in moments of weakness after she returns to her husband. As of the Cayo Perico update, her and Trevor are actively meeting behind Martin Madrazo's back; Rubio has a photo of them in flagrante delicto.]]
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* CoolPet: Chop. At some point, however, he entrusts Chop to Franklin and never comes back for him.
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* NoRespectGuy: Implied at times. Most notably, his picture in the character's contact lists is actually that of [[CoolPet Chop]].
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* NoRespectGuy: Implied at times. Most notably, his picture in the character's contact lists is actually that of [[CoolPet Chop]].Chop.
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* CoolPet: He's a loyal, sweet, obedient (if the player trains him) dog.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: During a mission in ''Online'' which features him sending the Online Protagonists to a Vagos funeral to steal some caskets full of drugs, he orders them to show some respect and use basic pistols since aside from the drug caskets, the Vagos really ''were'' hosting a funeral for some fallen brethren.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: EveryoneHasStandards:
** During a mission in ''Online'' which features him sending the Online Protagonists to a Vagos funeral to steal some caskets full of drugs, he orders them to show some respect and use basic pistols since aside from the drug caskets, the Vagos really ''were'' hosting a funeral for some fallenbrethren.brethren.
** As much as he likes to make snide remarks at Franklin for not embracing the gangbanging lifestyle and ignoring his friends and family, at no point does Lamar ever want to see his best friend die. When Trevor expresses glee that Michael may be dead, Lamar is disturbed at his callous dismissal of someone that Trevor thought was a friend.
** During a mission in ''Online'' which features him sending the Online Protagonists to a Vagos funeral to steal some caskets full of drugs, he orders them to show some respect and use basic pistols since aside from the drug caskets, the Vagos really ''were'' hosting a funeral for some fallen
** As much as he likes to make snide remarks at Franklin for not embracing the gangbanging lifestyle and ignoring his friends and family, at no point does Lamar ever want to see his best friend die. When Trevor expresses glee that Michael may be dead, Lamar is disturbed at his callous dismissal of someone that Trevor thought was a friend.
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* OddFriendship: With Trevor. They are both crazy. Trevor MUCH more so.
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* OddFriendship: With Trevor. They Although they are both crazy. crazy, Trevor is MUCH more so.depraved and psychotic than Lamar ever would be. And yet, the two surprisingly get along very well, with Lamar even coming out to help rescue Trevor from Merryweather late in the game.
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* AbusiveParents: Abusive ''guardian'' to be exact. She's constantly rude to Franklin, badmouths Franklin's dead mother (her sister), and kicks him out of the house ''they both own''.
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* DirtyOldMan: He claims that in his heyday, he had three secretaries: now he has to get his own coffee, [[ADateWithRosiePalms and give himself his own]] [[IsThatWhatTheyreCallingItNow "happy ending"]].
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* DirtyOldMan: He claims that in his heyday, he had three secretaries: now he has to get his own coffee, [[ADateWithRosiePalms and give himself his own]] [[IsThatWhatTheyreCallingItNow own "happy ending"]].
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** He starts out as a lazy imbecile. [[spoiler:He eventually grows out of it, and tries to get his parents to reconcile, and slugs a Merryweather soldier.]] By the end of the game, he's on much better terms with his family, and according to ''The Diamond Casino Heist'', got a job at Burger Shot sometime after the events of Story Mode, even if it was short-lived.
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** He starts out as a lazy imbecile. [[spoiler:He eventually grows out of it, and tries to get his parents to reconcile, and slugs a Merryweather soldier.]] By the end of the game, he's on much better terms with his family, and according to ''The Diamond Casino Heist'', got a job at Burger Shot sometime after the events of Story Mode, even if it was short-lived. He even changes his voicemail from something very informal to a much more professional one.
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->'''Lamar:''' [[MoodWhiplash Man that dog high as fuck]]!
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* ThrowTheDogABone: [[spoiler:In ''Ending C'', besides the main trio, Dave finally gets his big break by replacing Steve as host of "The Underbelly of Paradise".]]
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* ThrowTheDogABone: [[spoiler:In ''Ending C'', besides the main trio, Dave finally gets his big break by replacing Steve as host of "The Underbelly of Paradise". Some post-game radio dialogue notes that the show does extremely well and that the crew greatly prefers working with him than Steve Haines.]]
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* JerkassRealization: Undergoes this shortly before ''Reuniting the Family''. After moving out and living on his own for a while, with presumably little improvement to his lifestyle, he realizes that his dad's criminal activities aren't an excuse anymore and that he has to take responsibility for his own shortcomings as a person. [[spoiler:He's the first of the family to mend fences with Michael as a result.]]
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** More true to the trope, [[spoiler:she and Tracey are held hostage by Merryweather mercenaries, courtesy of Devin Weston, after Michael refused to can his film and accidentally got Weston's legal counsel killed]].
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* GrudgingThankYou: [[spoiler:After an optional mission where Michael helps her escape the police]].
* HappilyMarried: She and Michael [[spoiler:should he survive the game's events]].
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* GrudgingThankYou: [[spoiler:After an optional mission where Michael helps her escape the police]].
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* KissKissSlap: What her relationship with Michael evolves into [[spoiler:post-game, if he survives]]. It ain't much, but trust us, it's a step up from where it was previously.
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* KissKissSlap: What her relationship with Michael evolves into [[spoiler:post-game, if he survives]]. survives.]] It ain't much, but trust us, it's a step up from where it was previously.
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* WhatTheHellHero: [[spoiler:After Ending B (Kill Michael), an understandably distraught Amanda will mail Franklin, cursing him to "rot in hell" for what he did to her husband]].
* WidowWoman: [[spoiler:If Ending B is chosen; however, the ''Diamond Casino'' update for ''Online'' rendered this non-canon]].
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* WhatTheHellHero: [[spoiler:After Ending B (Kill Michael), an understandably distraught Amanda will mail Franklin, cursing him to "rot in hell" for what he did to her husband]].
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* WidowWoman: [[spoiler:If Ending B is chosen; however, the ''Diamond Casino'' update for ''Online'' rendered this
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* BrilliantButLazy: While not quite ''brilliant'', Jimmy can be surprisingly crafty and manipulative. [[spoiler: He manages to take out a trained mercenary to save his family]].
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* BrilliantButLazy: While not quite ''brilliant'', Jimmy can be surprisingly crafty and manipulative. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He manages to take out a trained mercenary to save his family]]. family.]]
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** He starts out as a lazy imbecile. [[spoiler:He eventually grows out of it, and tries to get his parents to reconcile, and slugs a Merryweather soldier]]. By the end of the game, he's on much better terms with his family, and according to ''The Diamond Casino Heist'', got a job at Burger Shot sometime after the events of Story Mode, even if it was short-lived.
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** He starts out as a lazy imbecile. [[spoiler:He eventually grows out of it, and tries to get his parents to reconcile, and slugs a Merryweather soldier]]. soldier.]] By the end of the game, he's on much better terms with his family, and according to ''The Diamond Casino Heist'', got a job at Burger Shot sometime after the events of Story Mode, even if it was short-lived.
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* CrazyPrepared: Jimmy's surprisingly resourceful for a "useless" son. From the [[spoiler: cocktail of drugs he uses to drug Michael to the ''full suit of military fatigues, complete with night vision goggles'' he uses in ''Meltdown'' to get the drop on a mercenary.]]
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* CrazyPrepared: Jimmy's surprisingly resourceful for a "useless" son. From the [[spoiler: cocktail [[spoiler:cocktail of drugs he uses to drug Michael to the ''full suit of military fatigues, complete with night vision goggles'' he uses in ''Meltdown'' to get the drop on a mercenary.]]
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** Jimmy is an asshole and a complete idiot in many missions. [[spoiler:He ends up saving his entire family from a Merryweather mercenary in "Meltdown" by knocking him out with his bong and proceeding to teabag him... [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments only to end up accidentally tea bagging Michael]].]]
** [[spoiler: He also manages to covertly alert his father to the fact that he was kidnapped under the nose of his kidnappers]].
* ADateWithRosiePalms: One of his father's many complaints about his "life-style". He's the classic stereotyped scenario too; a fat adult loser who stays in his parents' home all day masturbating. When playing as Michael, you can even occasionally hear him watching porn when you pass by his room. The door will be locked and if you come too close he yells that he's having "private time".
** [[spoiler: He also manages to covertly alert his father to the fact that he was kidnapped under the nose of his kidnappers]].
* ADateWithRosiePalms: One of his father's many complaints about his "life-style". He's the classic stereotyped scenario too; a fat adult loser who stays in his parents' home all day masturbating. When playing as Michael, you can even occasionally hear him watching porn when you pass by his room. The door will be locked and if you come too close he yells that he's having "private time".
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** Jimmy is an asshole and a complete idiot in many missions. [[spoiler:He ends up saving his entire family from a Merryweather mercenary in "Meltdown" by knocking him out with his bong and proceeding to teabag him... [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments only to end up accidentally tea bagging teabagging Michael]].]]
**[[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He also manages to covertly alert his father to the fact that he was kidnapped under the nose of his kidnappers]].
kidnappers.]]
* ADateWithRosiePalms: One of his father's many complaints about his"life-style"."lifestyle". He's the classic stereotyped scenario too; a fat adult loser who stays in his parents' home all day masturbating. When playing as Michael, you can even occasionally hear him watching porn when you pass by his room. The door will be locked and if you come too close he yells that he's having "private time".
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: One of his father's many complaints about his
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--> (after hearing his rival's MotiveRant) '''Jimmy''': [[SincerityMode Okay, umm, that's pretty sad]].
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* FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse: [[spoiler: After the family breaks up for a while, Jimmy realises that he can't keep blaming Michael for everything that goes wrong and he has to take responsibility for his own life.]]
* GoodIsNotNice: [[spoiler: While he does apologize to Michael and tells him to go make up with Amanda, he does so in a very rude and obnoxious manner]].
* HiddenDepths: It's implied throughout the game that he has some serious mental problems brought on by the sudden change in life when he was ''11'' that actually are holding him back. Over the course he proves to be surprisingly good at figuring out how people operate, manipulating people based on their behaviors and [[spoiler: cunning enough to get the drop on an actual paid mercenary.]]
* GoodIsNotNice: [[spoiler: While he does apologize to Michael and tells him to go make up with Amanda, he does so in a very rude and obnoxious manner]].
* HiddenDepths: It's implied throughout the game that he has some serious mental problems brought on by the sudden change in life when he was ''11'' that actually are holding him back. Over the course he proves to be surprisingly good at figuring out how people operate, manipulating people based on their behaviors and [[spoiler: cunning enough to get the drop on an actual paid mercenary.]]
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* FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse: [[spoiler: After [[spoiler:After the family breaks up for a while, Jimmy realises that he can't keep blaming Michael for everything that goes wrong and he has to take responsibility for his own life.]]
* GoodIsNotNice:[[spoiler: While [[spoiler:While he does apologize to Michael and tells him to go make up with Amanda, he does so in a very rude and obnoxious manner]].
manner.]]
* HiddenDepths: It's implied throughout the game that he has some serious mental problems brought on by the sudden change in life when he was ''11'' that actually are holding him back. Over the course he proves to be surprisingly good at figuring out how people operate, manipulating people based on their behaviors and[[spoiler: cunning [[spoiler:cunning enough to get the drop on an actual paid mercenary.]]
* GoodIsNotNice:
* HiddenDepths: It's implied throughout the game that he has some serious mental problems brought on by the sudden change in life when he was ''11'' that actually are holding him back. Over the course he proves to be surprisingly good at figuring out how people operate, manipulating people based on their behaviors and
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* {{Irony}}: [[spoiler: Jimmy admires Franklin for living the life of a gangster and a criminal despite the fact that Michael sacrificed Brad to escape that life for his family.]]
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* {{Irony}}: [[spoiler: Jimmy [[spoiler:Jimmy admires Franklin for living the life of a gangster and a criminal despite the fact that Michael sacrificed Brad to escape that life for his family.]]
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* {{Jerkass}}: He constantly complains about his life despite having next to no problems, and gives his father grief over nearly everything that happens in the game. [[spoiler:He also drugs his father, steals money from his account ''and'' his car, leaving him stranded in the streets. He then tells Amanda that Michael was driving under the influence with him in the car]].
* JerkassHasAPoint: Then again, a lot of the grief he gives his father is pretty well-deserved. In particular, he berates his father for engaging in a high-speed shootout with the men stealing his boat instead of simply calling the police, which likely would have ended much better for him. [[spoiler: He also tells Michael, albeit, quite rudely what he needs to do to get Amanda to care for him]].
* JerkassHasAPoint: Then again, a lot of the grief he gives his father is pretty well-deserved. In particular, he berates his father for engaging in a high-speed shootout with the men stealing his boat instead of simply calling the police, which likely would have ended much better for him. [[spoiler: He also tells Michael, albeit, quite rudely what he needs to do to get Amanda to care for him]].
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* {{Jerkass}}: He constantly complains about his life despite having next to no problems, and gives his father grief over nearly everything that happens in the game. [[spoiler:He also drugs his father, steals money from his account ''and'' his car, leaving him stranded in the streets. He then tells Amanda that Michael was driving under the influence with him in the car]].
car.]]
* JerkassHasAPoint: Then again, a lot of the grief he gives his father is pretty well-deserved. In particular, he berates his father for engaging in a high-speed shootout with the men stealing his boat instead of simply calling the police, which likely would have ended much better for him.[[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He also tells Michael, albeit, quite rudely what he needs to do to get Amanda to care for him]]. him.]]
* JerkassHasAPoint: Then again, a lot of the grief he gives his father is pretty well-deserved. In particular, he berates his father for engaging in a high-speed shootout with the men stealing his boat instead of simply calling the police, which likely would have ended much better for him.
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* KarmaHoudini: While all of Michael's family moves well beyond acceptable methods of payback for his lifestyle, Jimmy [[spoiler:is the only one who criminally assaults and robs his father, crossing a line neither Amanda nor Tracey (nor even [[AxCrazy Trevor]]) ever do.]] There is no comment on how much further he went than the rest of the De Santa family, nor does Amanda find out what really happened in the car. [[spoiler: Although he does apologize and takes steps to improve his life]].
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* KarmaHoudini: While all of Michael's family moves well beyond acceptable methods of payback for his lifestyle, Jimmy [[spoiler:is the only one who criminally assaults and robs his father, crossing a line neither Amanda nor Tracey (nor even [[AxCrazy Trevor]]) ever do.]] There is no comment on how much further he went than the rest of the De Santa family, nor does Amanda find out what really happened in the car. [[spoiler: Although [[spoiler:Although he does apologize and takes steps to improve his life]]. life.]]
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** The best example is during [[spoiler: Reuniting the Family.]] When someone mouths off to Michael, Amanda, and Jimmy, Michael smashes a laptop over the offender's head. When that person recovers from their daze enough to interrupt again, Jimmy stomps on them to shut them up before Michael can.
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** The best example is during [[spoiler: Reuniting [[spoiler:Reuniting the Family.]] When someone mouths off to Michael, Amanda, and Jimmy, Michael smashes a laptop over the offender's head. When that person recovers from their daze enough to interrupt again, Jimmy stomps on them to shut them up before Michael can.
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* ManipulativeBastard: Jimmy has an uncanny ability to manipulate people (particularly his father) into doing what he wants. In the triathlon mission, he intentionally leads Michael to the yacht where Tracey is entertaining drug dealers and porn stars, and feigns surprise when Michael races off to save her. In the mission where they go to Cluckin' Bell, [[spoiler:he tricks his father into trying a laced drink, and then steals his car and money before moving out]]. And finally, [[spoiler:he's the one who actually gets the family to get back together at the end.]]
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* ManipulativeBastard: Jimmy has an uncanny ability to manipulate people (particularly his father) into doing what he wants. In the triathlon mission, he intentionally leads Michael to the yacht where Tracey is entertaining drug dealers and porn stars, and feigns surprise when Michael races off to save her. In the mission where they go to Cluckin' Bell, [[spoiler:he tricks his father into trying a laced drink, and then steals his car and money before moving out]]. out.]] And finally, [[spoiler:he's the one who actually gets the family to get back together at the end.]]
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* ReformedButNotTamed: [[spoiler: He does abandon his worst traits, but he's still a bit of dick. Even his honest plea to get his mom and dad back together is loaded with insults and self-centered whining]]. By the ''Diamond Casino Heist'', he has followed through on his promise to get a job, but he whines about getting an entry-level janitor job, and Lester, who got him the job, believes he'll quit in less than a week.
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* ReformedButNotTamed: [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He does abandon his worst traits, but he's still a bit of dick. Even his honest plea to get his mom and dad back together is loaded with insults and self-centered whining]]. whining.]] By the ''Diamond Casino Heist'', he has followed through on his promise to get a job, but he whines about getting an entry-level janitor job, and Lester, who got him the job, believes he'll quit in less than a week.
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* TookALevelInBadass: He starts out the game as a wimpy little mooch. [[spoiler:He ends up saving his father from a mercenary]]. Before that, he angrily stomps on Fabien for his rude behavior.
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* TookALevelInBadass: He starts out the game as a wimpy little mooch. [[spoiler:He ends up saving his father from a mercenary]]. mercenary.]] Before that, he angrily stomps on Fabien for his rude behavior.
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** He has an earlier show of this in "Reuniting The Family."
-->'''Jimmy''': I mean, all this mesmerizing tantric sex she's been having with a much younger, better built, caring and compassionate man is great and all. But what she gonna do for the other six hours of the day?
-->'''Michael''': What. The ''FUCK''!?
-->'''Jimmy''': I mean, all this mesmerizing tantric sex she's been having with a much younger, better built, caring and compassionate man is great and all. But what she gonna do for the other six hours of the day?
-->'''Michael''': What. The ''FUCK''!?
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** He has an earlier show of this in "Reuniting The Family."
-->'''Jimmy''':Family".
-->'''Jimmy:''' I mean, all this mesmerizing tantric sex she's been having with a much younger, better built, caring and compassionate man is great and all. But what she gonna do for the other six hours of the day?
-->'''Michael''': -->'''Michael:''' What. The ''FUCK''!?
-->'''Jimmy''':
-->'''Jimmy:''' I mean, all this mesmerizing tantric sex she's been having with a much younger, better built, caring and compassionate man is great and all. But what she gonna do for the other six hours of the day?
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--> '''Dr. Isiah Friedlander''': Your son, James. He's a good kid?\\
'''Michael De Santa''': He's a good kid? A good kid? Why? Does he help the fucking poor? No. He sits on his ass all day, smoking dope and jerking off while he plays that fucking game. If that's our standard for goodness... then no wonder this country's screwed.
'''Michael De Santa''': He's a good kid? A good kid? Why? Does he help the fucking poor? No. He sits on his ass all day, smoking dope and jerking off while he plays that fucking game. If that's our standard for goodness... then no wonder this country's screwed.
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* WhatTheHellHero: [[spoiler:In the "bad" endings (A or B), he will call his father or Franklin, sobbing and cursing them for their hand in killing Trevor or Michael, respectively]].
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* WhatTheHellHero: [[spoiler:In the "bad" endings (A or B), he will call his father or Franklin, sobbing and cursing them for their hand in killing Trevor or Michael, respectively]].respectively.]]
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* BrattyTeenageDaughter: Even though her [[Website/{{Twitter}} Bleeter]] profile says she's 22, she still fits the mold. [[spoiler:Lightens up in ''Reuniting the Family'']].
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* BrattyTeenageDaughter: Even though her [[Website/{{Twitter}} Bleeter]] profile says she's 22, she still fits the mold. [[spoiler:Lightens up in ''Reuniting the Family'']].Family''.]]
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* ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike: A little more justified in her case as, unlike Jimmy, she wasn't in immediately life threatening situations when her father, and later her father and HonoraryUncle intervened. Of course, during the former she still had the nerve to ask the bad guys chasing them on jetskis to stop shooting at her and aim for ''him'' instead.
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* ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike: A little more justified in her case as, unlike Jimmy, she wasn't in immediately life threatening situations when her father, and later her father and HonoraryUncle intervened. Of course, during the former she still had the nerve to ask the bad guys chasing them on jetskis jet skis to stop shooting at her and aim for ''him'' instead.
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--> '''Tracey:''' ''(to Jimmy, whilst running towards him)'' [[YouExclamation YOU!!]] You fucking ASSHOLE!!!
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** However, the second time is played straight in "Meltdown" [[spoiler:when Devin Weston sends his Merryweather goons to hold her and her mother hostage]].
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** However, the second time is played straight in "Meltdown" [[spoiler:when Devin Weston sends his Merryweather goons to hold her and her mother hostage]].hostage.]]
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* HiddenDepths: [[spoiler:Post-game content implies that she'll be heading off to college, to the delight and surprise of both her parents]].
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* HiddenDepths: [[spoiler:Post-game content implies that she'll be heading off to college, to the delight and surprise of both her parents]].parents.]]
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** Subverted when you watch the show on TV, where it's seen that she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COgX2qysqOo made it to the finals...]] but that's only because Lazlow was [[CastingCouch sleeping with her]]. Though if you don't watch until after Reuniting the Family, the implication is that Lazlow rigged the voting machines to get Tracey into the finals because [[spoiler:Michael told him to and he's (very justifiably) scared shitless of Mike by that point]].
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** Subverted when you watch the show on TV, where it's seen that she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COgX2qysqOo made it to the finals...]] but that's only because Lazlow was [[CastingCouch sleeping with her]]. Though if you don't watch until after Reuniting the Family, the implication is that Lazlow rigged the voting machines to get Tracey into the finals because [[spoiler:Michael told him to and he's (very justifiably) scared shitless of Mike by that point]].point.]]
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* ReallyGetsAround: According to Jimmy, though she doesn't deny it. If you call Tracey's phone after the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga?" she will refer to herself as "Tracey Suxx" and it will be revealed that she performs pornographic webcam shows. The voice mail message will not be available after "Reuniting the Family."
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* ReallyGetsAround: According to Jimmy, though she doesn't deny it. If you call Tracey's phone after the mission "Did Somebody Say Yoga?" she will refer to herself as "Tracey Suxx" and it will be revealed that she performs pornographic webcam shows. The voice mail message will not be available after "Reuniting the Family."Family".
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* EmbarrassingNickname: He reveals that women used to call him "Pube-Head" because of his curly hair [[spoiler:during the final therapy session]].
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* EmbarrassingNickname: He reveals that women used to call him "Pube-Head" because of his curly hair [[spoiler:during the final therapy session]].session.]]
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* KarmicDeath: [[spoiler:After constantly insulting and belittling Michael, defrauding him of outrageous amounts of money for his utterly ineffective services, he then plans on using Michael's life story to make himself famous. Alas, fate would have none of it. You can either sic Michael on him, or just leave him be -- at the latter option, a Weazel News report later tells that Dr. Friedlander was murdered before his film is released, implying he may have other enemies, presumably other patients of his]].
* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:If you choose to sic Michael on him. [[BusCrash ...And even if he doesn't, Dr. Friedlander will still die after the player does the last therapy session]]]].
* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:If you choose to sic Michael on him. [[BusCrash ...And even if he doesn't, Dr. Friedlander will still die after the player does the last therapy session]]]].
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* KarmicDeath: [[spoiler:After constantly insulting and belittling Michael, defrauding him of outrageous amounts of money for his utterly ineffective services, he then plans on using Michael's life story to make himself famous. Alas, fate would have none of it. You can either sic Michael on him, or just leave him be -- at the latter option, a Weazel News report later tells that Dr. Friedlander was murdered before his film is released, implying he may have other enemies, presumably other patients of his]].
his.]]
* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:If you choose to sic Michael on him. [[BusCrash ...And even if he doesn't, Dr. Friedlander will still die after the player does the last therapysession]]]].session.]]]]
* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:If you choose to sic Michael on him. [[BusCrash ...And even if he doesn't, Dr. Friedlander will still die after the player does the last therapy
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* TooDumbToLive: [[spoiler:Sure doc, tell the patient you've been defrauding, belittling and providing ineffective services for years, who happens to be a unretired career criminal, that you plan to become famous by selling ''his'' life story. [[SarcasmMode Things are bound to work out just fine for you]].]]
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* TooDumbToLive: [[spoiler:Sure doc, tell the patient you've been defrauding, belittling and providing ineffective services for years, who happens to be a unretired career criminal, that you plan to become famous by selling ''his'' life story. [[SarcasmMode Things are bound to work out just fine for you]].]]you.]]]]
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* CaptainObvious: At the beginning of the "Blitz Play Prep." mission...
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* CaptainObvious: At the beginning of the "Blitz Play Prep." Prep" mission...
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''*Cue [[DeadpanSnarker Michael, Trevor and Franklin]] [[{{Facepalm}} groaning in consternation]] [[FunnyBackgroundEvent while doing the]] MonkeyMoralityPose*''
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''*Cue [[DeadpanSnarker Michael, Trevor Trevor, and Franklin]] [[{{Facepalm}} groaning in consternation]] [[FunnyBackgroundEvent while doing the]] MonkeyMoralityPose*''
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* TheDragon: {{Subverted}}. He answers to [[BigBad Steve Haines]], but he's a pretty good guy who actually helps out the protagonists, especially when push comes to shove like at the Kortz Centre shootout. He only sticks around Haines because it'd be too much trouble to try and take him down too, [[spoiler:unless the player goes for Ending C, where Haines is disposed of]].
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* TheDragon: {{Subverted}}. He answers to [[BigBad Steve Haines]], but he's a pretty good guy who actually helps out the protagonists, especially when push comes to shove like at the Kortz Centre shootout. He only sticks around Haines because it'd be too much trouble to try and take him down too, [[spoiler:unless the player goes for Ending C, where Haines is disposed of]]. of.]]
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* FakeUltimateHero: He made his career by "killing" Michael, but he really just cut an under-the-table deal with him to get him out of his old life while bringing in Brad and killing Trevor, in exhange for sum of cash every once in a while.
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* FakeUltimateHero: He made his career by "killing" Michael, but he really just cut an under-the-table deal with him to get him out of his old life while bringing in Brad and killing Trevor, in exhange exchange for sum of cash every once in a while.
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* VitriolicBestBuds: With Michael. Despite arguing in many of their scenes together, both admit over the course of the game to liking each other, [[OddFriendship despite their differences]], and do their best to make sure the other survives. This is best exemplified in "The Wrap-Up": [[spoiler:when Steve pulls a gun on Michael in order to cut off loose ends about the IAA raid, Dave wastes no time pulling his in Michael's defense]].
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* VitriolicBestBuds: With Michael. Despite arguing in many of their scenes together, both admit over the course of the game to liking each other, [[OddFriendship despite their differences]], and do their best to make sure the other survives. This is best exemplified in "The Wrap-Up": [[spoiler:when Steve pulls a gun on Michael in order to cut off loose ends about the IAA raid, Dave wastes no time pulling his in Michael's defense]].defense.]]
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* NiceGuy: Slight temper issues aside, Solomon is one of the few really pleasant people in the game and, even more unusually, one of the few who doesn't try to screw other people over. This is put in sharp contrast with his late father David, who produced some of Vinewood's most classic films, but was apparently a rather cold and distant man [[spoiler:who engaged in some truly horrifying activities with Peter Dreyfuss, and was privy to the gruesome murder of Leonora Johnson. In Peter's confession letter to David, he even dismisses the young Solomon as being too goody-two-shoes to "appreciate" their "[[MadArtist art]]"]].
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* NiceGuy: Slight temper issues aside, Solomon is one of the few really pleasant people in the game and, even more unusually, one of the few who doesn't try to screw other people over. This is put in sharp contrast with his late father David, who produced some of Vinewood's most classic films, but was apparently a rather cold and distant man [[spoiler:who engaged in some truly horrifying activities with Peter Dreyfuss, and was privy to the gruesome murder of Leonora Johnson. In Peter's confession letter to David, he even dismisses the young Solomon as being too goody-two-shoes to "appreciate" their "[[MadArtist art]]"]].art]]".]]
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->"[[GangBangers Gangsta shit,]] [[NWordPrivileges nigga]]!"
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->"[[GangBangers Gangsta shit,]] shit]], [[NWordPrivileges nigga]]!"
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* TheBigGuy: He is around 6'3" or 192 cm tall and can hold his own pretty well in a scrap, [[DumbMuscle but not very much in the brains department.]]
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* TheBigGuy: He is around 6'3" or 192 cm tall and can hold his own pretty well in a scrap, [[DumbMuscle but not very much in the brains department.]]department]].
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* CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass: Lamar makes some stupid decisions and almost gets killed more than once because of them, but [[spoiler:in Ending C, he helps Franklin, Michael and Trevor take on an FIB[=/=]Merryweather assault at the Murrieta Heights foundry, and holds his own. Considering they were basically facing ''an army'', that's an impressive feat]].
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* CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass: Lamar makes some stupid decisions and almost gets killed more than once because of them, but [[spoiler:in Ending C, he helps Franklin, Michael and Trevor take on an FIB[=/=]Merryweather assault at the Murrieta Heights foundry, and holds his own. Considering they were basically facing ''an army'', that's an impressive feat]].feat.]]
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* DistressedDude: [[spoiler:"Lamar Down" has him captured by the Ballas by, once again, tricking him with a bogus deal. [[RunningGag Again, Franklin must rescue him]].]]
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* DistressedDude: [[spoiler:"Lamar Down" has him captured by the Ballas by, once again, tricking him with a bogus deal. [[RunningGag Again, Franklin must rescue him]].]]him.]]]]
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* {{Expy}}: A combination of [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas Sean "Sweet" Johnson and Lance “Ryder” Wilson]].
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* {{Expy}}: A combination of [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas Sean "Sweet" Johnson and Lance “Ryder” "Ryder" Wilson]].
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** In the ''Lowrider'' update for online, it reveals that Lamar once tried to enact plans to take over the other street gangs and get ahead in life. While poorly executed, the plans he thought out were surprisingly good. One such example is the second mission, he has you take some stolen low riders over to a trade to sell them. The issue? The low riders were, at the moment, owned by a high ranking member of one of the other gangs who was in some legal trouble, and he could not officially tell anybody that they were stolen from him. Had it gone off correctly, Lamar would have gotten good cash for selling them, however, the plan was found out and the following shootout ruined the deal, and landed him in hot water.
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** In the ''Lowrider'' update for online, it reveals that Lamar once tried to enact plans to take over the other street gangs and get ahead in life. While poorly executed, the plans he thought out were surprisingly good. One such example is the second mission, he has you take some stolen low riders lowriders over to a trade to sell them. The issue? The low riders were, at the moment, owned by a high ranking member of one of the other gangs who was in some legal trouble, and he could not officially tell anybody that they were stolen from him. Had it gone off correctly, Lamar would have gotten good cash for selling them, however, the plan was found out and the following shootout ruined the deal, and landed him in hot water.
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** By the time of ''GTA Online: The Contract'', it's revealed that Lamar had been trying to set his life straight since the ''Lowriders'' update by being at the helm of his very own marijuana business, LD Organics - most likely inspired by the fact that Franklin is now the CEO of his own "celebrity consulting" company. He's seen in several cutscenes ineffectually trying to market his product with pretty much anybody he sees face-to-face. [[spoiler:His persistence seemingly pays off by the end of the "Short Trips" mission line when he finally gets a sponsorship from the Epsilon Program, although humorously, they remove Lamar's face off of his own logo and replace it with celebrity Epsilon member Jimmy Boston's. [[BerserkButton This angers him quite a bit,]] but by the end of it he ''does'' indeed get to make it big [[ItMakesSenseInContext after crashing the van into Tequil-la-la.]]]]
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** By the time of ''GTA Online: The Contract'', it's revealed that Lamar had been trying to set his life straight since the ''Lowriders'' update by being at the helm of his very own marijuana business, LD Organics - most likely inspired by the fact that Franklin is now the CEO of his own "celebrity consulting" company. He's seen in several cutscenes ineffectually trying to market his product with pretty much anybody he sees face-to-face. [[spoiler:His persistence seemingly pays off by the end of the "Short Trips" mission line when he finally gets a sponsorship from the Epsilon Program, although humorously, they remove Lamar's face off of his own logo and replace it with celebrity Epsilon member Jimmy Boston's. [[BerserkButton This angers him quite a bit,]] but by the end of it he ''does'' indeed get to make it big [[ItMakesSenseInContext after crashing the van into Tequil-la-la.]]]]Tequil-la-la]].]]
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He frequently berates Franklin, who has saved his ass countless times, usually after having just saved him again, and frequently questions his decision to deviate from their "tradition". That said, he is very loyal to Franklin, always stays by his side even when shit hits the fan, and [[spoiler:even wholeheartedly helps Franklin in the foundry shootout during ''Ending C'']].
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He frequently berates Franklin, who has saved his ass countless times, usually after having just saved him again, and frequently questions his decision to deviate from their "tradition". That said, he is very loyal to Franklin, always stays by his side even when shit hits the fan, and [[spoiler:even wholeheartedly helps Franklin in the foundry shootout during ''Ending C'']].C''.]]
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* TheSixthRanger: [[spoiler:In the first half of Ending C, he's the fourth man in the Murrieta Heights foundry shootout]].
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* TheSixthRanger: [[spoiler:In the first half of Ending C, he's the fourth man in the Murrieta Heights foundry shootout]].shootout.]]
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** [[spoiler:Yes Lamar, it's a ''brilliant'' idea to enter into a drug deal with the gangster you previously tried to kidnap in an empty recycling depot. Nothing sketchy about that]].
** [[spoiler:Or going into a lumberyard in the middle of nowhere to do a deal arranged by someone your friend has told you might be a snitch]].
** [[spoiler:Or going into a lumberyard in the middle of nowhere to do a deal arranged by someone your friend has told you might be a snitch]].
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** [[spoiler:Yes Lamar, it's a ''brilliant'' idea to enter into a drug deal with the gangster you previously tried to kidnap in an empty recycling depot. Nothing sketchy about that]].
that.]]
** [[spoiler:Or going into a lumberyard in the middle of nowhere to do a deal arranged by someone your friend has told you might be asnitch]].snitch.]]
** [[spoiler:Or going into a lumberyard in the middle of nowhere to do a deal arranged by someone your friend has told you might be a
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** At the end of the day, his loyalty to Franklin is stronger than that to the Families, especially after [[spoiler:Stretch betrays them to the Ballas]].
** His dedication to loyalty is best shown after the first mission he does for Devin. On the ride from Los Santos to the Paleto Bay truck stop, he converses with Trevor [[spoiler:who just found out that Michael betrayed him 9 years ago. Trevor gleefully tells him that Michael is probably dead, and Lamar is horrified that he's okay with it. Even after Trevor repeatedly tells him that Michael betrayed him and got their other partner killed, Lamar is disgusted that Trevor would leave someone he's known so long to die]].
** His dedication to loyalty is best shown after the first mission he does for Devin. On the ride from Los Santos to the Paleto Bay truck stop, he converses with Trevor [[spoiler:who just found out that Michael betrayed him 9 years ago. Trevor gleefully tells him that Michael is probably dead, and Lamar is horrified that he's okay with it. Even after Trevor repeatedly tells him that Michael betrayed him and got their other partner killed, Lamar is disgusted that Trevor would leave someone he's known so long to die]].
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** At the end of the day, his loyalty to Franklin is stronger than that to the Families, especially after [[spoiler:Stretch betrays them to the Ballas]].
Ballas.]]
** His dedication to loyalty is best shown after the first mission he does for Devin. On the ride from Los Santos to the Paleto Bay truck stop, he converses with Trevor [[spoiler:who just found out that Michael betrayed him 9 years ago. Trevor gleefully tells him that Michael is probably dead, and Lamar is horrified that he's okay with it. Even after Trevor repeatedly tells him that Michael betrayed him and got their other partner killed, Lamar is disgusted that Trevor would leave someone he's known so long todie]].die.]]
** His dedication to loyalty is best shown after the first mission he does for Devin. On the ride from Los Santos to the Paleto Bay truck stop, he converses with Trevor [[spoiler:who just found out that Michael betrayed him 9 years ago. Trevor gleefully tells him that Michael is probably dead, and Lamar is horrified that he's okay with it. Even after Trevor repeatedly tells him that Michael betrayed him and got their other partner killed, Lamar is disgusted that Trevor would leave someone he's known so long to
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** Has this relationship with Franklin, always trading insults back and forth with him. That said, they're still best friends and [[UndyingLoyalty Lamar always has his back]]. Plus, [[spoiler:in Ending C, when Franklin calls him to ask for assistance in the Foundry shootout, Lamar drops everything to come and help]]. Afterwards, in an e-mail discussion with Franklin, it is reiterated that yes, they are homies for life.
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** Has this relationship with Franklin, always trading insults back and forth with him. That said, they're still best friends and [[UndyingLoyalty Lamar always has his back]]. Plus, [[spoiler:in Ending C, when Franklin calls him to ask for assistance in the Foundry shootout, Lamar drops everything to come and help]]. help.]] Afterwards, in an e-mail discussion with Franklin, it is reiterated that yes, they are homies for life.
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* WeAllDieSomeday: The reason he sees nothing wrong with his self-destructive behavior. To him, that's the way the world is. The Hood just takes it up a notch. That is, until Franklin points out to Lamar that [[spoiler:someone is ''specifically'' out to get ''him'']].
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* WeAllDieSomeday: The reason he sees nothing wrong with his self-destructive behavior. To him, that's the way the world is. The Hood just takes it up a notch. That is, until Franklin points out to Lamar that [[spoiler:someone is ''specifically'' out to get ''him'']].''him''.]]
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* AnythingThatMoves: Franklin notes this with equal amounts of amusement and condemnation. One of Lamar's [=LifeInvader=] posts says he fucked a ''cat''. TruthInTelevision, for the record; un-neutered male dogs will hump damn near anything.
* ArtificialStupidity: While fairly smart normally, Chop's AI has a nasty habit of mistaking thrown grenades for balls and will often get blown up and killed trying to fetch them.
* BaitAndSwitch: When Chop randomly collapses and starts rolling on the floor in ''The Contract'', Franklin and Lamar immediately [[LifeWillKillYou assume the worst]] and go on to check on him....and then it turns out he accidentally ate weed, and he's just having a ''really'' bad trip.
->'''Lamar''': [[MoodWhiplash Man that dog high as fuck]]!
* ArtificialStupidity: While fairly smart normally, Chop's AI has a nasty habit of mistaking thrown grenades for balls and will often get blown up and killed trying to fetch them.
* BaitAndSwitch: When Chop randomly collapses and starts rolling on the floor in ''The Contract'', Franklin and Lamar immediately [[LifeWillKillYou assume the worst]] and go on to check on him....and then it turns out he accidentally ate weed, and he's just having a ''really'' bad trip.
->'''Lamar''': [[MoodWhiplash Man that dog high as fuck]]!
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* AnythingThatMoves: Franklin notes this with equal amounts of amusement and condemnation. One of Lamar's [=LifeInvader=] posts says he fucked a ''cat''. TruthInTelevision, for the record; un-neutered unneutered male dogs will hump damn near anything.
* ArtificialStupidity: While fairly smart normally, Chop'sAI A.I. has a nasty habit of mistaking thrown grenades for balls and will often get blown up and killed trying to fetch them.
* BaitAndSwitch: When Chop randomly collapses and starts rolling on the floor in ''The Contract'', Franklin and Lamar immediately [[LifeWillKillYou assume the worst]] and go on to check onhim....him... and then it turns out he accidentally ate weed, and he's just having a ''really'' bad trip.
->'''Lamar''': ->'''Lamar:''' [[MoodWhiplash Man that dog high as fuck]]!
* ArtificialStupidity: While fairly smart normally, Chop's
* BaitAndSwitch: When Chop randomly collapses and starts rolling on the floor in ''The Contract'', Franklin and Lamar immediately [[LifeWillKillYou assume the worst]] and go on to check on
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* OldDog: Chop returns in ''The Contract'' with some painfully noticable age. Given that the update takes place eight years after ''Grand Theft Auto V'', it's likely he's in the later end of a rottweiler's average lifespan (8-10 years).
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* OldDog: Chop returns in ''The Contract'' with some painfully noticable noticeable age. Given that the update takes place eight years after ''Grand Theft Auto V'', it's likely he's in the later end of a rottweiler's average lifespan (8-10 years).
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* SuperDrowningSkills: Chop will die instantly if he goes into the ocean or other deep water. [[DeathIsCheap Fortunately, this just means he'll respawn at Franklin's safehouse after a short time]].
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* SuperDrowningSkills: Chop will die instantly if he goes into the ocean or other deep water. [[DeathIsCheap Fortunately, this just means he'll respawn at Franklin's safehouse after a short time]].time.]]
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** Ultimately triple subverted, as ''The Contract'' DLC reveals that after the events of story mode, [[spoiler:she went back with and married Franklin, as well as starting a family with him, after he finally retired his criminal career]].
* FirstGirlWins: [[spoiler:She broke off her engagement to her rich doctor fiancé to marry Franklin prior to the events of ''The Contract'' DLC]].
* TheGhost: [[spoiler:Is only mentioned by name in ''The Contract'' DLC, with dialogue revealing that she married and had kids with Franklin]].
* FirstGirlWins: [[spoiler:She broke off her engagement to her rich doctor fiancé to marry Franklin prior to the events of ''The Contract'' DLC]].
* TheGhost: [[spoiler:Is only mentioned by name in ''The Contract'' DLC, with dialogue revealing that she married and had kids with Franklin]].
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** Ultimately triple subverted, as ''The Contract'' DLC reveals that after the events of story mode, [[spoiler:she went back with and married Franklin, as well as starting a family with him, after he finally retired his criminal career]].
career.]]
* FirstGirlWins: [[spoiler:She broke off her engagement to her rich doctor fiancé to marry Franklin prior to the events of ''The Contract''DLC]].
DLC.]]
* TheGhost: [[spoiler:Is only mentioned by name in ''The Contract'' DLC, with dialogue revealing that she married and had kids withFranklin]].Franklin.]]
* FirstGirlWins: [[spoiler:She broke off her engagement to her rich doctor fiancé to marry Franklin prior to the events of ''The Contract''
* TheGhost: [[spoiler:Is only mentioned by name in ''The Contract'' DLC, with dialogue revealing that she married and had kids with
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* HypocriteHasAPoint: As hypocritical as her entire conversation with Franklin is near the end of the game, [[spoiler: she's right about how [[TrueCompanions Lamar is one of the few people who's important to Franklin that he sincerely cares about]] and that leaving Lamar to die despite caring about him would be awful.]]
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* HypocriteHasAPoint: As hypocritical as her entire conversation with Franklin is near the end of the game, [[spoiler: she's [[spoiler:she's right about how [[TrueCompanions Lamar is one of the few people who's important to Franklin that he sincerely cares about]] and that leaving Lamar to die despite caring about him would be awful.]]
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** [[spoiler:''The Contract'' DLC reveals that she had left her fiancé for Franklin, who despite being a professional criminal, is much nicer than her {{Jerkass}} betrothed and has gone completely straight by his appearance in the DLC]].
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** [[spoiler:''The Contract'' DLC reveals that she had left her fiancé for Franklin, who despite being a professional criminal, is much nicer than her {{Jerkass}} betrothed and has gone completely straight by his appearance in the DLC]].DLC.]]
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-->'''Caller:''' "Hey, I really like watching people die."\\
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-->'''Caller:''' "Hey, Hey, I really like watching people die."\\\\
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--->'''Trevor:''' "Ron! Ron, you there?! You better not put me on your show, you fucking prick, or I'll drink the blood from your still-pumping veins!"\\
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* PutOnABus: Minor case. He spends much of the game handling Trevor's business back in Blaine County while Trevor goes off and does stuff in Los Santos, and also planned the Merryweather heist [[spoiler:when Trevor deliberately went behind Lester's back for the job]]. However, he's in contact with Trevor through email on a regular basis, and offers moral support through a phone call after Trevor finds out the truth about what happened to Brad at the start of "Bury the Hatchet".
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* PutOnABus: Minor case. He spends much of the game handling Trevor's business back in Blaine County while Trevor goes off and does stuff in Los Santos, and also planned the Merryweather heist [[spoiler:when Trevor deliberately went behind Lester's back for the job]]. job.]] However, he's in contact with Trevor through email on a regular basis, and offers moral support through a phone call after Trevor finds out the truth about what happened to Brad at the start of "Bury the Hatchet".
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* AmbiguousInnocence: Although he comes across as childish and [[KindheartedSimpleton kindhearted]], Wade does have a few dark moments. In his first lines, he [[spoiler:suggests killing Johnny's girlfriend, Ashley, to keep the Lost from finding out how Trevor killed their leader.]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And he calls her a "bitch"]] completely innocently, which [[EvenEvilHasStandards even Trevor balks at.]]
* BullyAndWimpPairing: Trevor's the bully, whilst he, Ron and Floyd are wimps.
* BullyAndWimpPairing: Trevor's the bully, whilst he, Ron and Floyd are wimps.
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* AmbiguousInnocence: Although he comes across as childish and [[KindheartedSimpleton kindhearted]], Wade does have a few dark moments. In his first lines, he [[spoiler:suggests killing Johnny's girlfriend, Ashley, to keep the Lost from finding out how Trevor killed their leader.]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And he calls her a "bitch"]] completely innocently, which [[EvenEvilHasStandards even Trevor balks at.]]
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* BullyAndWimpPairing: Trevor's the bully, whilst he,Ron Ron, and Floyd are wimps.
* BullyAndWimpPairing: Trevor's the bully, whilst he,
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--> '''Trevor:''' "You're a genius, you moron!"
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* LampshadeHanging: When [[spoiler:he and Trevor move into the Vanilla Unicorn, he'll comment on how the club only plays six songs]].
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* LampshadeHanging: When [[spoiler:he and Trevor move into the Vanilla Unicorn, he'll comment on how the club only plays six songs]].songs.]]
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* NotDistractedByTheSexy: Once [[spoiler:he and Trevor move into the Vanilla Unicorn]].
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* NotDistractedByTheSexy: Once [[spoiler:he and Trevor move into the Vanilla Unicorn]].Unicorn.]]
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* ThePollyanna: Pretty much oblivious to just how severe Trevor's AxCrazy antics are [[spoiler:to the point he doesn't realize that Trevor murdered his friends during their first meeting, or Floyd and his girlfriend]].
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* ThePollyanna: Pretty much oblivious to just how severe Trevor's AxCrazy antics are [[spoiler:to the point he doesn't realize that Trevor murdered his friends during their first meeting, or Floyd and his girlfriend]].girlfriend.]]
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* ThrowTheDogABone: After spending most of the game as Trevor's punching bag [[spoiler:once he and Trevor move into the Vanilla Unicorn, Wade spends the rest of the game fawned over by two strippers as thanks for his UndyingLoyalty]].
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* ThrowTheDogABone: After spending most of the game as Trevor's punching bag [[spoiler:once he and Trevor move into the Vanilla Unicorn, Wade spends the rest of the game fawned over by two strippers as thanks for his UndyingLoyalty]].UndyingLoyalty.]]
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* BreakTheCutie: The "cutie" part is debatable, but overall he's an honest man who believes in hard work, and is so soft-spoken and spineless that it's almost endearing... and then Trevor does his best to utterly break him. Abusing him, hitting him, stealing from him, and forcibly involving him in his criminal schemes, all the while trashing his home and turning it into a pigsty while he's too weak to do anything about it. And to add insult to injury [[spoiler:just before he dies it's implied Debra ''was'' cheating on him like Trevor guessed]].
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* BreakTheCutie: The "cutie" part is debatable, but overall he's an honest man who believes in hard work, and is so soft-spoken and spineless that it's almost endearing... and then Trevor does his best to utterly break him. Abusing him, hitting him, stealing from him, and forcibly involving him in his criminal schemes, all the while trashing his home and turning it into a pigsty while he's too weak to do anything about it. And to add insult to injury [[spoiler:just before he dies it's implied Debra ''was'' cheating on him like Trevor guessed]].guessed.]]
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** If he's brought on the Paleto Bay heist, he also declares that there's a conspiracy between [[CorruptCop the police]] and [[spoiler:[[ArmiesAreEvil the military]]]] - although, since he says this when being attacked by [[spoiler:{{Sociopathic Soldier}}s]] who basically act as GunsForHire to the corrupt hicks running the town, he isn't off the mark. He also tells [[spoiler:the soldiers]] to fight the Anunaki (the aforementioned lizard people) in the midst of the shootout.
* FunctionalAddict: He occasionally takes meth, and the only time it leaves an impact on him is him [[spoiler: [[HeatWave sweating like a pig]] under the body armor used during the Paleto Bay Heist.]] Besides that, he's arguably more mentally adjusted than fellow substance-abuser Trevor.
* FunctionalAddict: He occasionally takes meth, and the only time it leaves an impact on him is him [[spoiler: [[HeatWave sweating like a pig]] under the body armor used during the Paleto Bay Heist.]] Besides that, he's arguably more mentally adjusted than fellow substance-abuser Trevor.
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** If he's brought on the Paleto Bay heist, he also declares that there's a conspiracy between [[CorruptCop the police]] and [[spoiler:[[ArmiesAreEvil the military]]]] - although, since he says this when being attacked by [[spoiler:{{Sociopathic Soldier}}s]] who basically act as GunsForHire to the corrupt hicks running the town, he isn't off the mark. He also tells [[spoiler:the soldiers]] to fight the Anunaki Anunnaki (the aforementioned lizard people) in the midst of the shootout.
* FunctionalAddict: He occasionally takes meth, and the only time it leaves an impact on him is him[[spoiler: [[HeatWave [[spoiler:[[HeatWave sweating like a pig]] under the body armor used during the Paleto Bay Heist.]] Besides that, he's arguably more mentally adjusted than fellow substance-abuser Trevor.
* FunctionalAddict: He occasionally takes meth, and the only time it leaves an impact on him is him
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* OneManArmy: [[spoiler:If you take him along with you during the Paleto Bay Heist, he will be so effective at fighting the military that they will ''retreat'' from him, falsely believing that they're being attacked by an entire team of robbers instead of just a single man]].
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* OneManArmy: [[spoiler:If you take him along with you during the Paleto Bay Heist, he will be so effective at fighting the military that they will ''retreat'' from him, falsely believing that they're being attacked by an entire team of robbers instead of just a single man]].man.]]
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->"[[NervesOfSteel I appreciate your honesty]]. [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter You are a good man. I can tell.]]"
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->"[[NervesOfSteel I appreciate your honesty]]. honesty.]] [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter You are a good man. I can tell.]]"
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* ExtremeDoormat: She is extremely loyal and faithful to her husband, even considering the abuse he puts her through and even disregarding her own feelings. [[spoiler:On the other hand, she becomes such a MoralityPet for Trevor that when she {{Dope Slap}}s him for huffing gasoline, his only reaction is to begrudgingly apologize]].
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* ExtremeDoormat: She is extremely loyal and faithful to her husband, even considering the abuse he puts her through and even disregarding her own feelings. [[spoiler:On the other hand, she becomes such a MoralityPet for Trevor that when she {{Dope Slap}}s him for huffing gasoline, his only reaction is to begrudgingly apologize]].apologize.]]
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* IHaveYourWife: [[spoiler:She is the wife in this scenario. Trevor eventually (and reluctantly) returns her to her husband.]]
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* IHaveYourWife: [[spoiler:She is [[spoiler:She's the wife in this scenario. Trevor eventually (and reluctantly) returns her to her husband.]]
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--->'''Patricia:''' Gasolina? ''[[LittleNo No]]''.
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--->'''Patricia:''' Gasolina? ''[[LittleNo No]]''.No.]]''
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** He's a mostly amoral criminal, but his targets are often jerks, [[spoiler:and he draws the line at stealing nuclear weapons]].
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** He's a mostly amoral criminal, but his targets are often jerks, [[spoiler:and he draws the line at stealing nuclear weapons]].weapons.]]
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* HandicappedBadass: Suffers from an unspecified wasting disease, which apparently makes it painful for him to walk. He prefers to use a wheelchair in his own home, but can get around with a cane if necessary. The "badass" part comes mostly from his connections and exceptional planning abilities...and, of course, his surprising ability to [[spoiler:shoot down three flying helicopters ''from another helicopter'' with an RPG (a weapon he's never actually used outside of video games)]] certainly helps.
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* HandicappedBadass: Suffers from an unspecified wasting disease, which apparently makes it painful for him to walk. He prefers to use a wheelchair in his own home, but can get around with a cane if necessary. The "badass" part comes mostly from his connections and exceptional planning abilities... and, of course, his surprising ability to [[spoiler:shoot down three flying helicopters ''from another helicopter'' with an RPG (a weapon he's never actually used outside of video games)]] certainly helps.
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* HypercompetentSidekick: As the logistics guy and tech expert, he's the one who makes sure that the heists actually go off successfully. Not only does the one time Trevor try to squeeze him out of a heist result in [[spoiler:the team stealing cargo they can't sell]], Lester is the one that [[spoiler:Franklin calls in order to initiate the Deathwish Ending, helping him formulate a plan to save all three protagonists and deal with their foes]].
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* HypercompetentSidekick: As the logistics guy and tech expert, he's the one who makes sure that the heists actually go off successfully. Not only does the one time Trevor try to squeeze him out of a heist result in [[spoiler:the team stealing cargo they can't sell]], Lester is the one that [[spoiler:Franklin calls in order to initiate the Deathwish Ending, helping him formulate a plan to save all three protagonists and deal with their foes]].foes.]]
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* OccidentalOtaku: His nerdy traits reach Otaku status as well; ''Princess Robot Bubblegum'' merchandise can be spotted on Lester’s desk. According to his laptop, he has episodes of the same anime on copy.
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* OccidentalOtaku: His nerdy traits reach Otaku status as well; ''Princess Robot Bubblegum'' merchandise can be spotted on Lester’s Lester's desk. According to his laptop, he has episodes of the same anime on copy.
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** After Franklin completes the first assassination mission, Lester gives Franklin a '''mansion.''' He claims he only does so because [[ThinkNothingOfIt he needed to get rid of the excess money from the first heist]], but it was still a nice thing to do.
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** After Franklin completes the first assassination mission, Lester gives Franklin a '''mansion.''' '''mansion'''. He claims he only does so because [[ThinkNothingOfIt he needed to get rid of the excess money from the first heist]], but it was still a nice thing to do.
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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: He attempts to pull this by the time of ''The Diamond Casino Heist,'' since he's dealt with the Union Depository, the IAA, the FIB, and even the Doomsday Heist. He has no need for more money, and he is utterly unwilling to take any more risks like the aforementioned Doomsday Heist. Georgina Cheng brings him back in by allowing him the ''challenge'' of robbing one of the state's most secure facilities.
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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: He attempts to pull this by the time of ''The Diamond Casino Heist,'' Heist'', since he's dealt with the Union Depository, the IAA, the FIB, and even the Doomsday Heist. He has no need for more money, and he is he's utterly unwilling to take any more risks like the aforementioned Doomsday Heist. Georgina Cheng brings him back in by allowing him the ''challenge'' of robbing one of the state's most secure facilities.
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* UglyGuyHotWife: [[spoiler: He, against all odds, gets a girlfriend during the events of ''The Diamond Casino Heist'', and his choice is as unlikely as his chances of getting laid: Georgina Cheng, who is, well, about as far as you can get.]]
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* UglyGuyHotWife: [[spoiler: He, [[spoiler:He, against all odds, gets a girlfriend during the events of ''The Diamond Casino Heist'', and his choice is as unlikely as his chances of getting laid: Georgina Cheng, who is, well, about as far as you can get.]]
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* DeadPersonImpersonation: [[spoiler:The person believed to be Brad, whom Trevor had been exchanging letters with, is really [=FIB=] Agent, Dave Norton. Norton had started the charade to keep a better eye on Trevor. Meanwhile, Brad's corpse was used to impersonate [[FakingTheDead Michael]] and was subsequently buried under his name]].
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* DeadPersonImpersonation: [[spoiler:The person believed to be Brad, whom Trevor had been exchanging letters with, is really [=FIB=] Agent, Dave Norton. Norton had started the charade to keep a better eye on Trevor. Meanwhile, Brad's corpse was used to impersonate [[FakingTheDead Michael]] and was subsequently buried under his name]].name.]]
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* SmallRoleBigImpact: Despite getting relatively little screentime, his influence plays a large role in shaping Trevor's character and motivations. It's the thought of freeing Brad from prison that gets Trevor working with Michael and the [=FIB=], [[spoiler:and it's Trevor finding out that Brad died because Michael sold his former friends out that causes Trevor and Michael's fallout in the last quarter of the game]].
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* SmallRoleBigImpact: Despite getting relatively little screentime, screen time, his influence plays a large role in shaping Trevor's character and motivations. It's the thought of freeing Brad from prison that gets Trevor working with Michael and the [=FIB=], [[spoiler:and it's Trevor finding out that Brad died because Michael sold his former friends out that causes Trevor and Michael's fallout in the last quarter of the game]].game.]]
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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: Cheetah, one of the girls who will not take the boys home, cites fear of being fired as the reason. [[spoiler:Even after Trevor takes over the Unicorn, she'll tell him this, when it's a fair guess that she would not, in fact, be fired. It is, otherwise, averted in that once Trevor takes over, he drinks and gets dances for free, and he, Mike, and Frank can no longer get kicked out.]]
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* GameplayAndStorySegregation: Cheetah, one of the girls who will not take the boys home, cites fear of being fired as the reason. [[spoiler:Even after Trevor takes over the Unicorn, she'll tell him this, when it's a fair guess that she would not, in fact, be fired. It is, It's, otherwise, averted in that once Trevor takes over, he drinks and gets dances for free, and he, Mike, and Frank can no longer get kicked out.]]
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[[Characters/{{GrandTheftAutoV}} Return to the main page]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVProtagonists Main Protagonists]] ([[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVMichaelDeSanta Michael De Santa]], [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVTrevorPhilips Trevor Philips]]) | '''Friends, Family and Associates''' | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVCharactersFromGrandTheftAutoIV Returning Characters From Grand Theft Auto IV]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVAntagonists Antagonists]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVStrangersAndFreaks Strangers & Freaks]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVHeistCrewMembers Heist Crew Members]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVOtherCharacters Other Characters]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVDJs Grand Theft Auto V - Radio Hosts]]
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[[Characters/{{GrandTheftAutoV}} Return to the main page]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVProtagonists Main Protagonists]] ([[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVMichaelDeSanta Michael De Santa]], [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVTrevorPhilips Trevor Philips]]) | '''Friends, Family Family, and Associates''' | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVCharactersFromGrandTheftAutoIV Returning Characters From Grand Theft Auto IV]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVAntagonists Antagonists]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVStrangersAndFreaks Strangers & Freaks]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVHeistCrewMembers Heist Crew Members]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVOtherCharacters Other Characters]] | [[Characters/GrandTheftAutoVDJs Grand Theft Auto V - Radio Hosts]]
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Edited Floyd's tropes as it's more likely that Debra killed Floyd than Trevor.
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The cowardly but hard-working cousin of Wade who gets dragged in to the world of murder and drugs.
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The cowardly but hard-working cousin of Wade who gets dragged in to into the world of murder and drugs.heists.
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* BreakTheCutie: The "cutie" part is debatable, but overall he's an honest man who believes in hard work, and is so soft-spoken and spineless that it's almost endearing... and then Trevor does his best to utterly break him. Abusing him, hitting him, stealing from him, forcibly involving him in his criminal schemes, and [[spoiler:eventually killing him]], all the while trashing his home and turning it into a pigsty while he's too weak to do anything about it. And to add insult to injury [[spoiler:just before he dies it's implied Debra ''was'' cheating on him like Trevor guessed]].
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* BreakTheCutie: The "cutie" part is debatable, but overall he's an honest man who believes in hard work, and is so soft-spoken and spineless that it's almost endearing... and then Trevor does his best to utterly break him. Abusing him, hitting him, stealing from him, and forcibly involving him in his criminal schemes, and [[spoiler:eventually killing him]], all the while trashing his home and turning it into a pigsty while he's too weak to do anything about it. And to add insult to injury [[spoiler:just before he dies it's implied Debra ''was'' cheating on him like Trevor guessed]].
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* BullyingADragon: [[spoiler:He [[TooDumbToLive foolishly tries to stand up to]] [[OneManArmy Trevor]] with a knife and is promptly killed.]]
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* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Is brutally murdered in his apartment along with his girlfriend by Trevor, [[GoryDiscretionShot although exactly what Trevor did to them is left to the imagination]].[[labelnote:*]]A news report says that a woman was found stabbed to death, and a man was shot in the head, but given [[CrapsackWorld the world of GTA]], this doesn't bring much to light.[[/labelnote]]]]
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* KilledOffForReal: [[spoiler:Is brutally murdered in his apartment along with his girlfriend by Trevor, girlfriend, [[GoryDiscretionShot although exactly what Trevor did to them is left to the imagination]].[[labelnote:*]]A news report says that a woman was found stabbed to death, and a man was shot in the head, but given [[CrapsackWorld the world of GTA]], this doesn't bring much to light.[[/labelnote]]]]
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* TooDumbToLive: See BullyingADragon.